"me of use were on BSD, VAXes and KLs quite awhile before there was Turbo C." "c did not take off on the PC for a while and when it did it was Turbo C that was the first really popular compiler." I was referencing just the PC market is is clear by my statement.
" ADA is still a joke and like I said before it's great if you want career job security but not popular or really worthy on a resume." Maybe not as the only language but here are a list of large systems written in Ada http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeld... The list of Boeing Aircraft as well as the Atlas V and Delta IV are to my mind pretty interesting jobs but yes it is a niche area but one that pays well.
Top ten languages based on what? Python? Yes a lot of FOSS projects are in Python and it is a nice scripting language but number 2? Your jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth has made it clear that you do not like Ada. That does not mean that the idea that a government or company when contracting for a software project should not specify the language used, OS, and or libraries used for the project. It also does not mean prove that it was a bad idea or that it is a bad language.
"K&R C worked great, the source was available and it was available on most of the mainstream platforms and took off on PCs" c did not take off on the PC for a while and when it did it was Turbo C that was the first really popular compiler. Sorry but when you are specing anything a government project you really needed to have a hard spec and not one bases on a book by two guys at AT&T. Also the source to c was not open you had to pay AT&T for it. At the time Ada seemed like a great idea since the DOD had software projects in over 100 different languages. Just as most companies will have requirements to use x language for a projects and even coding standards it is logical that the DOD would do the same. The Ada requirement was limited to mission critical systems. You did not have to write every word processor or spreadsheet in Ada for the DOD. If you where writing weapons control software for a 688 class sub then yes. BTW even today Ada meets your original requirements It is open and it is still widely used. You can get a free Ada compiler http://www.gnu.org/software/gn...
In 1982 their was no standard for c. You had K&R c but the official ANSI c standard was not published until 1989. In 1982 c did not fit your own requirements. BTW frankly any programing language makes a system more maintainable than PERL.
"open, widely used and available" Yeahhh... No. So Perl, Python ? Military systems have life spans of decades. What is widely used today is a niche tomorrow. When Ada was first specified about the only languages that fit your requirements where COBOL and FORTRAN. If you want to stretch it a bit you might include Pascal. This was 1977 after all. Ada actually fits your requirements pretty well. Most new systems are now using C++ but Ada is an interesting language for writing highly reliable systems.
I have to say that while I do not extremists groups of any type your examples leave me wondering. Violet Blue is not a well known security expert she is sex columnist. I also think that you in the context of computer security least she is not highly respected. I can seen the logic in the statement that a sex talk has no place in a computer security conference.
Really? So when they contract out for a say an avionics system it would be fine if the product was delivered in some proprietary language giving the vendor a complete lock in?
Do you have any documentation on this? Bush was only in office for 8 months when the attack happened. The first WTC bombing happened in 1993 so Clinton had 7 years to track down and stop Al-Qaeda.
Yes it really does. It means that it is foolish to think that new==better. New can be much worse and one should look at the actual choice and potential results of the choice and not just the novelty of the choice. For example. Let's try that new burger place? Results could be a good meal or a bad meal. The risk very low as are the benefits. Let's elect Trump even when he is spouting crazy and frankly mean ideas off the top of his head. I see no upside to this at all.
"Last time we had a Clinton, we shrunk the deficit down to zero and grew the middle class and the economy." We had an internet bubble, and Clinton failed to prevent the attack on the WTC... It happened right after Bush became the president but the planning had to happen during Clinton's term. Actually who ever replaces Obama will probably have an easy term. Oil prices are low which drives the US economy. The US could actually start exporting oil which would lower our trade deficit. China's stock market is imploding which will drive investment to the US.
"Will it turn out well? Hard to say, we won't really know without trying, but at some point we either try something new, or accept the current situation forever." I have never set myself on fire but I really don't need to try it to see if it is a good idea.
" Furthermore each GPS system is to a non-trivial degree customized for the vehicle it is going into which makes the price quite a lot higher. " That is a bad choice on their part. Make them fit a standard double DIN and use custom surrounds to make them fit with the car better. Standard CAN interfaces could allow the Infotainment system interface with other systems like climate control and extra displays. Use a OS like QNX, Linux/Android and just write an app for your make of car. Cortex A15s are cheap as is ram and flash. You are correct that the price the auto companies pays is too high but that is their own choice. What they really do not want is a way for people to upgrade the Infotainment systems.
"So you think somehow the gangs of LA are going to magically protect you from someone driving a garbage truck full of explosives into your neighbourhood" Don't you think that if they could get a garbage truck full of explosives they would have already blown up a bunch folks waiting at a bus stop.
Sounds like we need higher performance per core. Not all problems are highly parallel, even with those that are you have limits, and now the interconnects are getting to be an issue.
Probably none at all. If you want to break today's encryption/hashing algorithms you would probably be using ASICs if not those then FPGAs with GPU compute being your last choice. Dedicated hardware is the most efficient when you are dealing with a well known standard. For all we know IBM is still in business because it is building NSA ASICs using that 7nm process they showed.
Also time on this beast will be extremely expensive if they use it for any kind of code breaking it will not be for random slashdot users.
Sigh... Coal is only useful for base load. The spool up time for coal is too slow for peaking. Natural gas is ideal for peaking since you can use it in gas turbine plants for peaking since the spool up time is so fast. I showed you references do you have any data at all to back up what you are saying? France may or may not use natural gas for base load but many nations do since it is so cheap and clean. I would say that the engineers in France are knowledgeable and I would also bet that they would agree with what I am saying. Too bad it is the political parties that want to cut nuclear.
"It would not... as most CO2 is produced by cars, house heating and industry." Since renewables only generate electricity we can ignore all none electrical sources as far as nuclear and renewables. Unless you want to count the tiny number of passive solar heating installations. If you look at this graphic http://energytransition.de/fil... You will see that France gets around 10% from hydro. You will also see that France still gets some power from coal which is baseload power is is ideal to replace with nuclear. The natural gas is probably split between base load and peaking load. Replacing the base load with nuclear is again a simple matter the peaking is a more difficult issue which is why I suggested that France should convert their hydro from a base load to a peaking source aka as pumped storage. The power stored would come from a combination of both renewables and nuclear. As to your comment about where the majority of CO2 comes from do you have any sources? My research shows that home heating in france is more often than not electrical heating. https://www.justlanded.com/eng...
Shutting down nuclear and reducing carbon? At best you can get one of the two. Frankly if France really wanted to decrease carbon it should increase nuclear and using their hydro for peaking along with some solar and wind.
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"me of use were on BSD, VAXes and KLs quite awhile before there was Turbo C."
"c did not take off on the PC for a while and when it did it was Turbo C that was the first really popular compiler."
I was referencing just the PC market is is clear by my statement.
" ADA is still a joke and like I said before it's great if you want career job security but not popular or really worthy on a resume."
Maybe not as the only language but here are a list of large systems written in Ada
http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeld...
The list of Boeing Aircraft as well as the Atlas V and Delta IV are to my mind pretty interesting jobs but yes it is a niche area but one that pays well.
Top ten languages based on what? Python? Yes a lot of FOSS projects are in Python and it is a nice scripting language but number 2?
Your jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth has made it clear that you do not like Ada. That does not mean that the idea that a government or company when contracting for a software project should not specify the language used, OS, and or libraries used for the project. It also does not mean prove that it was a bad idea or that it is a bad language.
"K&R C worked great, the source was available and it was available on most of the mainstream platforms and took off on PCs"
c did not take off on the PC for a while and when it did it was Turbo C that was the first really popular compiler.
Sorry but when you are specing anything a government project you really needed to have a hard spec and not one bases on a book by two guys at AT&T. Also the source to c was not open you had to pay AT&T for it. At the time Ada seemed like a great idea since the DOD had software projects in over 100 different languages. Just as most companies will have requirements to use x language for a projects and even coding standards it is logical that the DOD would do the same. The Ada requirement was limited to mission critical systems. You did not have to write every word processor or spreadsheet in Ada for the DOD. If you where writing weapons control software for a 688 class sub then yes.
BTW even today Ada meets your original requirements It is open and it is still widely used. You can get a free Ada compiler http://www.gnu.org/software/gn...
In 1982 their was no standard for c. You had K&R c but the official ANSI c standard was not published until 1989. In 1982 c did not fit your own requirements.
BTW frankly any programing language makes a system more maintainable than PERL.
"open, widely used and available"
Yeahhh... No.
So Perl, Python ?
Military systems have life spans of decades. What is widely used today is a niche tomorrow. When Ada was first specified about the only languages that fit your requirements where COBOL and FORTRAN. If you want to stretch it a bit you might include Pascal.
This was 1977 after all.
Ada actually fits your requirements pretty well. Most new systems are now using C++ but Ada is an interesting language for writing highly reliable systems.
I have to say that while I do not extremists groups of any type your examples leave me wondering.
Violet Blue is not a well known security expert she is sex columnist. I also think that you in the context of computer security least she is not highly respected. I can seen the logic in the statement that a sex talk has no place in a computer security conference.
Really?
So when they contract out for a say an avionics system it would be fine if the product was delivered in some proprietary language giving the vendor a complete lock in?
I thought the same thing.
Do you have any documentation on this? Bush was only in office for 8 months when the attack happened. The first WTC bombing happened in 1993 so Clinton had 7 years to track down and stop Al-Qaeda.
Yes it really does.
It means that it is foolish to think that new==better. New can be much worse and one should look at the actual choice and potential results of the choice and not just the novelty of the choice.
For example.
Let's try that new burger place? Results could be a good meal or a bad meal. The risk very low as are the benefits.
Let's elect Trump even when he is spouting crazy and frankly mean ideas off the top of his head.
I see no upside to this at all.
The also left off that productivity drops faster with heat than cold.
"Last time we had a Clinton, we shrunk the deficit down to zero and grew the middle class and the economy."
We had an internet bubble, and Clinton failed to prevent the attack on the WTC... It happened right after Bush became the president but the planning had to happen during Clinton's term.
Actually who ever replaces Obama will probably have an easy term. Oil prices are low which drives the US economy. The US could actually start exporting oil which would lower our trade deficit. China's stock market is imploding which will drive investment to the US.
"Will it turn out well? Hard to say, we won't really know without trying, but at some point we either try something new, or accept the current situation forever."
I have never set myself on fire but I really don't need to try it to see if it is a good idea.
And of course a lot of it will be wasted because it is being generated off peak...
And a lot of experts say this is not a useful thing to do.
" Furthermore each GPS system is to a non-trivial degree customized for the vehicle it is going into which makes the price quite a lot higher. "
That is a bad choice on their part.
Make them fit a standard double DIN and use custom surrounds to make them fit with the car better. Standard CAN interfaces could allow the Infotainment system interface with other systems like climate control and extra displays.
Use a OS like QNX, Linux/Android and just write an app for your make of car. Cortex A15s are cheap as is ram and flash.
You are correct that the price the auto companies pays is too high but that is their own choice. What they really do not want is a way for people to upgrade the Infotainment systems.
"So you think somehow the gangs of LA are going to magically protect you from someone driving a garbage truck full of explosives into your neighbourhood"
Don't you think that if they could get a garbage truck full of explosives they would have already blown up a bunch folks waiting at a bus stop.
Given that this is Intel and Micron I say bring on the magic. This is not any small startup so I expect to see this very soon.
You should take a look at the "black list" before you try to figure that question out.
The list includes other brands of drive as well as Samsung...
Sounds like we need higher performance per core. Not all problems are highly parallel, even with those that are you have limits, and now the interconnects are getting to be an issue.
Probably none at all. If you want to break today's encryption/hashing algorithms you would probably be using ASICs if not those then FPGAs with GPU compute being your last choice.
Dedicated hardware is the most efficient when you are dealing with a well known standard. For all we know IBM is still in business because it is building NSA ASICs using that 7nm process they showed.
Also time on this beast will be extremely expensive if they use it for any kind of code breaking it will not be for random slashdot users.
Or find another wall.
Why not just electrify the walls randomly.
"Yes I am just kidding"
One can only hope that things will get better.
FPGA can also have backdoors.
Sigh... Coal is only useful for base load. The spool up time for coal is too slow for peaking.
Natural gas is ideal for peaking since you can use it in gas turbine plants for peaking since the spool up time is so fast.
I showed you references do you have any data at all to back up what you are saying?
France may or may not use natural gas for base load but many nations do since it is so cheap and clean.
I would say that the engineers in France are knowledgeable and I would also bet that they would agree with what I am saying. Too bad it is the political parties that want to cut nuclear.
"It would not ... as most CO2 is produced by cars, house heating and industry."
Since renewables only generate electricity we can ignore all none electrical sources as far as nuclear and renewables. Unless you want to count the tiny number of passive solar heating installations.
If you look at this graphic http://energytransition.de/fil...
You will see that France gets around 10% from hydro. You will also see that France still gets some power from coal which is baseload power is is ideal to replace with nuclear. The natural gas is probably split between base load and peaking load. Replacing the base load with nuclear is again a simple matter the peaking is a more difficult issue which is why I suggested that France should convert their hydro from a base load to a peaking source aka as pumped storage. The power stored would come from a combination of both renewables and nuclear.
As to your comment about where the majority of CO2 comes from do you have any sources?
My research shows that home heating in france is more often than not electrical heating. https://www.justlanded.com/eng...
Do you have any real data or just insults?
Shutting down nuclear and reducing carbon?
At best you can get one of the two.
Frankly if France really wanted to decrease carbon it should increase nuclear and using their hydro for peaking along with some solar and wind.