And Neptune orbit crosses Pluto's so does that make Neptune a minor planet. You act as if there is some universal definition of what is and is not a planet. Comets cross most other planets orbits. The simple truth is that no planets have swept their orbits 100 % including Earth. The definition of plants is man made. Even as the definition of mammal is. I would say that Pluto is to planets as the Duck Bill Platypus is to mammals.
Well radiating it away would be very diffucult. Yes I guess you could use steam as away but it would have a pretty short life time. I should have said very difficult and not no way. Yes there are ways including a heat sink in the probe basicly a large but very cold mass.
Except that Pluto really as far as I can tell swept it's orbit clean. I don't think that Pluto eccentric orbit keeps it from being a planet. The Plutoid name may actually be a very good term. Pluto is nothing if not very different from every other planet or that matter all the known bodies in the solar system.
Okay but how much money is he already giving away to charity? I do understand what you are saying and I think it would be better for him to spend that money on sending say a scientist up instead of himself but it is his money to with as he chooses. As long as I don't have to hear him say how people need to save energy while he zips around in his private 767.
But yes if you yourself are not donating money to charity then you have no right to speak. Every little bit counts.
Well the shuttle is close carbon free last time I checked. 2LH2+Lo2= 2 H20 and a lot of heat. Now the SRBs probably do produce some CO2 but I am not sure of the exact chemistry of the binder.
Now Soyuz isn't carbon free at all but then it will probably burn less full than Brin burns in private 767 in a year. It is good to be the king.
The other problem is how to cool the probe. No matter how well you insulate the probe it will very quickly over heat because there is no way to dump the heat the probe it's self generates. Stick any electronics into a sealed well insulated case and see just how long it stays running.
In debate or rhetoric, the slippery slope is one of the classical informal fallacies. It suggests that an action will initiate a chain of events culminating in an undesirable event later without establishing or quantifying the relevant contingencies. The argument is sometimes referred to as the thin end of the wedge or the camel's nose. While the term sees a broader pragmatic usage, especially outside of the context of logic, rhetoric and philosophy, the term specifically refers to a fallacious argument. Arguments that provide a well-supported chain of contingencies are not slippery slope arguments. "
I do not feel that any of the arguments so far like the blocking of Google is a well-supported chain of contingencies.
I have no problem with making the system transparent and and accountable. But that is different than saying don't ban the sites at all which is exactly what most people are saying. As to censorship take a look at my orignal post. It has been modded down to troll not because I was trolling but because some people didn't like what I said. Now that post will be hidden below many peoples view level. Welcome to censorship slashdot style.
And again let me introduce you to what is called the slippery slope argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The favorite logical fallacy of slashdot and an almost sure fire way to get modded up.
Heck if your argument is that we shouldn't interfere with people looking for kiddie porn well then I would say that I and the majority of the people in the US don't agree with you. Having kiddie porn is a crime. So I feel no need to address that. If you don't like it get the law changed. As to your argument that it might get abused. Yes maybe but the discussion should shift to what safe guards should be put in place to prevent the abuse and not that the idea is evil from the start.
"So you think there will be no errors in this system? Please explain how unlike in every other human endeavor this one is going to be error free?" You mean like the legal system? Or anything else? Of course not but then the question becomes how can you stop the abuse. Can people the use the internet to commit crimes? Yes it can. So do you eliminate the internet or do you try and prevent the abuse by passing laws about spamming and phishing? You said that someone attempted to put Pirates Bay on kiddie porn list.... They didn't so it would seem that in that case the system worked.
Did it work? I guess not since you said tried. Yep and women have said the men have rapped them when they really didn't. People have lied under oath in court as well. Everything can be abused that doesn't prove that it will be again. That is also a logical fallacy. Right now the question is there anything wrong with blocking sites that are known sources of kiddie porn? Any abuse is a different and separate issue because that has not happened yet. Good and logical questions are how transparent would the process be and what are the criteria for selection? What about getting sites off the list? If you are concered only about abuse then deal with the question of how to avoid the abuse. Can the abuse be avoid while keeping the benefits.
Yes I have heard of filtering software making an error. If the police provide a list of known kiddie porn sites that wouldn't be an issue. Most filtering problems come from trying to guess if they are legit or not. As to groups being kicked off sites. Well if you create a site then you can kick anyone off you want. Yea if you go on a Roman Catholic site and start spouting about how this or that in the church is evil then yes I expect you to be kicked. No different than if you went to a Motorcycle site and made comments that where negative about people the ride Motorcycles. Seem reasonable to me. So again if they publish the list publicly an the reasons why they are blocked I don't see how this is any different than blocking spammers or blocking known phishing sites.
Truthout? please I was spammed by them myself. Trust me I never signed up for there emails and I sent them many emails before I finally just wrote a filter to delete them.
That argument is called a slippery slope. It is a logical fallacy. If you had bother to read the story you would have found that the ISPs are purging some news groups that actually did have kiddieporn on them. Several usnet groups are very questionable at best. They are also blocking known sites that violate US laws of child pornography. At no point did they mention closing search engines. I would be willing to bet that Google already has a black list of sites that it doesn't cache just so they don't have to worry about having very illegal data sitting on their servers.
You sure are. 1. and idiot, 2. a bigot. 3. just plain wrong.
I have a friend that was a Pack leader and then involved with Scouts for years. He is a kinda Buddist. They often help the meetings at the LDS church. He told me he always felt welcomed there. Most troops outside of Utah/Idaho and the rest of the Mountain west are not Mormon.
In Utah of course the majority of Scouts are Mormon if for no other reason most of the people are.
And yes I am a Mormon and I don't hate none Mormons. Not even people like you.
The good things about outlook have next to nothing to do with with sending and reading email. Where Outlook shines is the in three areas. Calendaring, Scheduling, and Syncing. Your average outlook users that just uses it for POP and imap can replace it with anything. It is the business users that us Outlook with Exchange that are stuck with it. Heck I just wish I could sync Thunderbird with my Cell Phone over bluetooth!
A flat rear end often has less drag on a car than a tapered one. Once you start a taper the flow starts to become turbulent. So you have to weigh the skin drag vs the form drag. Add in the extra weight with very little if any useful gain in space and a teardrop shape is LESS efficient than a kamm tail. Also on a modern car you can use the low pressure area at the back to help extract the exhaust, and help provide an exit for cooling air flow. Only if you can can get the rest of the airflow to a level of perfection that is totally impractical would you see much in savings with a full tapered rear end. That is why only land speed record cars and competition fuel efficacy vehicles use them. The Aptera of which you speak is first of all not a car. It has only three wheels so it is a motorcycle. Being a trike having a tapered tail will not be that big of a structural problem. But honestly the pointy tail on it is all looks and it would probably be a little lighter and have a little less drag if they went for a modified Kammback.
", I still prefer the idea of an SUV than a minivan or station wagon to try and haul people/stuff around." Why? Most Minivans have a lot more room than an SUV, handle better, and get better mileage. They are even easier to get in and out of.
SUVs are great for people that need them. You have a ranch in Idaho and a bunch of kids then yes you need an SUV. If you don't have a bunch of kids then why do you need an SUV or even a minivan?
You said that you perfer the idea of an SUV so the question is why? Even the new cross overs like the Ford Taurus X make a lot more sense.
Umm not really. Free crappy tools are pushing out good expensive tools. Sort of the Walmart mentality brought to development tools.
There are some GREAT FOSS development tools. Netbeans and Eclipse.org are two great ones. But Eclipse CDT and Kdevelop are at best just okay. Funny thing is the best FOSS development tools are for Java which a lot of FOSS developers really hate.
Of course the real FOSS zealots will tell you to use EMACS or Vi.
Actually this guy does seem to be trying to make a difference. I don't think that Gangster rap or video games cause violence but as I have tried to say time and time again if books and art can influence people they why not music and video games? Anyone want to claim that the Turner Diaries or Mein Komf never influenced anybody to act in a less than pleasant way? Who hasn't heard someone say that this or that book has changed their life? There is nothing wrong with saying "I don't think kids should play violent video games" Just as there is nothing wrong saying that "I don't think people should eat meat". This is only a problem when people try and make them illegal. There is a huge difference between dislike and censorship. I don't want my kids reading the Turner diaries but I don't want them outlawed.
Saying that music and video games can not effect people is the same as saying that no form of art can effect anybody for good or evil.
Except then all you have to do is destroy the body to get away with murder as many people have said. The funny thing is that in the case the system really did seem to work.
But one must know some facts to filter the fluff. A good example of the danger not knowing facts. I was talking to a friend of mine. He is well educated. The scary thing is technically he is better educated than I am on paper. I was telling him about the Polywell fusion reactor and how exciting it will be if it can scale to produce power. His comment was "No thanks I don't want to glow." Knowing and understanding some facts is vital to filtering out the fluff that is on the net, print, and TV.
If ReiserFS is a good FS why? Fine change the name if you want, but heck if hippies can drive VWs why the heck should we toss away a file system just because the lead programmer is scum? As far as defending him. Well if you honestly thought he was innocent then you had an obligation to. I wasn't on the jury and I didn't hear all the evidence so I tended to go with the jury. I take no joy in being right. Poor kids now have to live with no mother and a father that murdered their mother. As far as I can tell nothing here to be happy about for anyone.
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And Neptune orbit crosses Pluto's so does that make Neptune a minor planet.
You act as if there is some universal definition of what is and is not a planet.
Comets cross most other planets orbits. The simple truth is that no planets have swept their orbits 100 % including Earth.
The definition of plants is man made. Even as the definition of mammal is.
I would say that Pluto is to planets as the Duck Bill Platypus is to mammals.
Well radiating it away would be very diffucult. Yes I guess you could use steam as away but it would have a pretty short life time.
I should have said very difficult and not no way. Yes there are ways including a heat sink in the probe basicly a large but very cold mass.
Except that Pluto really as far as I can tell swept it's orbit clean. I don't think that Pluto eccentric orbit keeps it from being a planet.
The Plutoid name may actually be a very good term. Pluto is nothing if not very different from every other planet or that matter all the known bodies in the solar system.
Okay but how much money is he already giving away to charity? I do understand what you are saying and I think it would be better for him to spend that money on sending say a scientist up instead of himself but it is his money to with as he chooses.
As long as I don't have to hear him say how people need to save energy while he zips around in his private 767.
But yes if you yourself are not donating money to charity then you have no right to speak. Every little bit counts.
Well the shuttle is close carbon free last time I checked. 2LH2+Lo2= 2 H20 and a lot of heat.
Now the SRBs probably do produce some CO2 but I am not sure of the exact chemistry of the binder.
Now Soyuz isn't carbon free at all but then it will probably burn less full than Brin burns in private 767 in a year.
It is good to be the king.
The other problem is how to cool the probe. No matter how well you insulate the probe it will very quickly over heat because there is no way to dump the heat the probe it's self generates.
Stick any electronics into a sealed well insulated case and see just how long it stays running.
Actually I know exactly what it means.
So you will know also from the wikipedia
In debate or rhetoric, the slippery slope is one of the classical informal fallacies. It suggests that an action will initiate a chain of events culminating in an undesirable event later without establishing or quantifying the relevant contingencies. The argument is sometimes referred to as the thin end of the wedge or the camel's nose. While the term sees a broader pragmatic usage, especially outside of the context of logic, rhetoric and philosophy, the term specifically refers to a fallacious argument. Arguments that provide a well-supported chain of contingencies are not slippery slope arguments. "
I do not feel that any of the arguments so far like the blocking of Google is a well-supported chain of contingencies.
"or are gay."
You mean like the Army?
I have no problem with making the system transparent and and accountable. But that is different than saying don't ban the sites at all which is exactly what most people are saying.
As to censorship take a look at my orignal post. It has been modded down to troll not because I was trolling but because some people didn't like what I said. Now that post will be hidden below many peoples view level.
Welcome to censorship slashdot style.
Not that I mind since I have Karma to burn.
And again let me introduce you to what is called the slippery slope argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
The favorite logical fallacy of slashdot and an almost sure fire way to get modded up.
Heck if your argument is that we shouldn't interfere with people looking for kiddie porn well then I would say that I and the majority of the people in the US don't agree with you. Having kiddie porn is a crime. So I feel no need to address that. If you don't like it get the law changed.
As to your argument that it might get abused. Yes maybe but the discussion should shift to what safe guards should be put in place to prevent the abuse and not that the idea is evil from the start.
"So you think there will be no errors in this system? Please explain how unlike in every other human endeavor this one is going to be error free?"
You mean like the legal system? Or anything else?
Of course not but then the question becomes how can you stop the abuse. Can people the use the internet to commit crimes? Yes it can. So do you eliminate the internet or do you try and prevent the abuse by passing laws about spamming and phishing?
You said that someone attempted to put Pirates Bay on kiddie porn list.... They didn't so it would seem that in that case the system worked.
Did it work?
I guess not since you said tried.
Yep and women have said the men have rapped them when they really didn't. People have lied under oath in court as well.
Everything can be abused that doesn't prove that it will be again. That is also a logical fallacy.
Right now the question is there anything wrong with blocking sites that are known sources of kiddie porn? Any abuse is a different and separate issue because that has not happened yet.
Good and logical questions are how transparent would the process be and what are the criteria for selection? What about getting sites off the list? If you are concered only about abuse then deal with the question of how to avoid the abuse. Can the abuse be avoid while keeping the benefits.
Yes I have heard of filtering software making an error. If the police provide a list of known kiddie porn sites that wouldn't be an issue. Most filtering problems come from trying to guess if they are legit or not.
As to groups being kicked off sites. Well if you create a site then you can kick anyone off you want. Yea if you go on a Roman Catholic site and start spouting about how this or that in the church is evil then yes I expect you to be kicked.
No different than if you went to a Motorcycle site and made comments that where negative about people the ride Motorcycles. Seem reasonable to me.
So again if they publish the list publicly an the reasons why they are blocked I don't see how this is any different than blocking spammers or blocking known phishing sites.
Truthout? please I was spammed by them myself. Trust me I never signed up for there emails and I sent them many emails before I finally just wrote a filter to delete them.
That argument is called a slippery slope. It is a logical fallacy.
If you had bother to read the story you would have found that the ISPs are purging some news groups that actually did have kiddieporn on them. Several usnet groups are very questionable at best.
They are also blocking known sites that violate US laws of child pornography. At no point did they mention closing search engines. I would be willing to bet that Google already has a black list of sites that it doesn't cache just so they don't have to worry about having very illegal data sitting on their servers.
Nice hat tinfoil looks good on you.
Really is it such a wild idea that they may actually only block kidde porn?
Why is it okay to block spammers and take down phishing sites but if you want to block kiddie porn sites it is censorship?
You sure are.
1. and idiot,
2. a bigot.
3. just plain wrong.
I have a friend that was a Pack leader and then involved with Scouts for years. He is a kinda Buddist. They often help the meetings at the LDS church. He told me he always felt welcomed there. Most troops outside of Utah/Idaho and the rest of the Mountain west are not Mormon.
In Utah of course the majority of Scouts are Mormon if for no other reason most of the people are.
And yes I am a Mormon and I don't hate none Mormons. Not even people like you.
The good things about outlook have next to nothing to do with with sending and reading email.
Where Outlook shines is the in three areas.
Calendaring, Scheduling, and Syncing.
Your average outlook users that just uses it for POP and imap can replace it with anything. It is the business users that us Outlook with Exchange that are stuck with it.
Heck I just wish I could sync Thunderbird with my Cell Phone over bluetooth!
It is called a Kamm tail.
A flat rear end often has less drag on a car than a tapered one. Once you start a taper the flow starts to become turbulent. So you have to weigh the skin drag vs the form drag. Add in the extra weight with very little if any useful gain in space and a teardrop shape is LESS efficient than a kamm tail.
Also on a modern car you can use the low pressure area at the back to help extract the exhaust, and help provide an exit for cooling air flow.
Only if you can can get the rest of the airflow to a level of perfection that is totally impractical would you see much in savings with a full tapered rear end.
That is why only land speed record cars and competition fuel efficacy vehicles use them.
The Aptera of which you speak is first of all not a car. It has only three wheels so it is a motorcycle. Being a trike having a tapered tail will not be that big of a structural problem.
But honestly the pointy tail on it is all looks and it would probably be a little lighter and have a little less drag if they went for a modified Kammback.
", I still prefer the idea of an SUV than a minivan or station wagon to try and haul people/stuff around."
Why? Most Minivans have a lot more room than an SUV, handle better, and get better mileage.
They are even easier to get in and out of.
SUVs are great for people that need them. You have a ranch in Idaho and a bunch of kids then yes you need an SUV. If you don't have a bunch of kids then why do you need an SUV or even a minivan?
You said that you perfer the idea of an SUV so the question is why? Even the new cross overs like the Ford Taurus X make a lot more sense.
Umm not really. Free crappy tools are pushing out good expensive tools. Sort of the Walmart mentality brought to development tools.
There are some GREAT FOSS development tools. Netbeans and Eclipse.org are two great ones.
But Eclipse CDT and Kdevelop are at best just okay.
Funny thing is the best FOSS development tools are for Java which a lot of FOSS developers really hate.
Of course the real FOSS zealots will tell you to use EMACS or Vi.
Actually this guy does seem to be trying to make a difference. I don't think that Gangster rap or video games cause violence but as I have tried to say time and time again if books and art can influence people they why not music and video games?
Anyone want to claim that the Turner Diaries or Mein Komf never influenced anybody to act in a less than pleasant way?
Who hasn't heard someone say that this or that book has changed their life?
There is nothing wrong with saying "I don't think kids should play violent video games"
Just as there is nothing wrong saying that "I don't think people should eat meat".
This is only a problem when people try and make them illegal.
There is a huge difference between dislike and censorship. I don't want my kids reading the Turner diaries but I don't want them outlawed.
Saying that music and video games can not effect people is the same as saying that no form of art can effect anybody for good or evil.
Except then all you have to do is destroy the body to get away with murder as many people have said.
The funny thing is that in the case the system really did seem to work.
But one must know some facts to filter the fluff.
A good example of the danger not knowing facts.
I was talking to a friend of mine. He is well educated. The scary thing is technically he is better educated than I am on paper.
I was telling him about the Polywell fusion reactor and how exciting it will be if it can scale to produce power.
His comment was "No thanks I don't want to glow."
Knowing and understanding some facts is vital to filtering out the fluff that is on the net, print, and TV.
If ReiserFS is a good FS why?
Fine change the name if you want, but heck if hippies can drive VWs why the heck should we toss away a file system just because the lead programmer is scum?
As far as defending him. Well if you honestly thought he was innocent then you had an obligation to. I wasn't on the jury and I didn't hear all the evidence so I tended to go with the jury.
I take no joy in being right. Poor kids now have to live with no mother and a father that murdered their mother.
As far as I can tell nothing here to be happy about for anyone.