Might I suggest selling LedgerSMB? Just some suggestions 1 Accounting in a box. You get your choice of a mini tower or a 1u server that is all configured with a year's support for X dollars. 2. A cd that includes a Linux Distro and your sofware that includes a year's of Support for X dollars. 3. A cd of just the software with a years support for X dollars. These make a lot more sense to most SMBs. Frankly the Idea of accounting and CMS in a box could be a great little product.
Get over it. The truth is they wouldn't make a big deal over anything working well. If it was a US computer failing the western press would be making a big deal about the American computer failing while the simple Russian systems worked just fine. It is the blame game and press loves to play it.
"Am I correct that programming in and selling BSD-based boxes won't raise any of the above problems? You can do whatever you want with BSD code" Correct but you have to be careful. It is very likely that you will find a lot of libraries are LGPL.
Dynamically link the libraries and you will be safe. It will take a little bit of more space but shouldn't be a big problem.
"it's likely to just disappear and not make it back onto my machine the next time I reinstall Windows." How often do you have to reinstall Windows? I am not a big Windows fan but I go years between reinstalls without any problems. I only do a reinstall when I get new System or a new Drive.
Refactor. When I try and Refactor and object I get a message that this feature is not enabled. Another feature that it lacks is a GUI designer but that I can understand. What GUI tool kit would it support? KDE, GTK, FLTK??? Doesn't matter to me since I am not using it for GUI code. If I start doing KDE stuff I will use KDevelop.
I wish you all the best but even in a tech company like the one I work at we want to PAY for our accounting software! We want someone to call when it doesn't work right. For LedgerSMB to work well there needs to be a pay for support option with a 24 hour a day support line. FOSS is great but it is the support that you really need.
This is Quickbooks Enterprise not Quickbooks and yes it does matter. The company I work uses SAGE for it's accounting but we us Linux for our servers... Except for the one that runs the accounting. This product is for medium size businesses not small business. So yea it is a big deal. I think a Linux version of Quicken would be great Dell could sell it. A Linux version of Quickbooks would also be nice for small companies. But for Quickbooks Enterprise the server side is the logical first move. Lots of medium sized companies would like to use Linux servers but are still using Windows Desktops. Thank you SAMBA.
I find that mixed code projects are a pain. I have done them but yick... I wish that Apple would make a native C++ interface for Cocoa. The simple reason it that Objective-C isn't well supported on any system but OS/X. At least NeXT and Apple didn't pull a Microsoft and make up a nasty language that only ran on their OS...VB... I refuse to learn a language that only works on one OS so VB and I will not meet. I would love to try Objective C but GTK and QT lack bindings for Objective-C and I don't know of any good Win32 Objective C frameworks. As far as I can tell GCC doesn't support Objective-C++:(
EADS is jumping the shark on this one over all I think it is a bad plan. Wouldn't it be better to get the A380 back on track and the A350 WXB off the ground before Boeing's 787 gets even more sales? How far is the A400M behind? I know that the UK is leasing C-17s from Boeing to tide them over and may just buy them instead of the A400M. I don't doubt that they could build this but seems like case of Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
Isn't Gnomes IDE called Adjunta? Yes Eclipse CDT is very useful, I have never used KDevelope but Some people really like it. But giving the Devil his due VS under windows is a good IDE.
I think that Carbon is going to be around for a long time if for no other reason than to support C++ developers. From what I understand Cocoa is Objective C specific. I don't care how good Objective C is there will always be a need for people to work in C++ if for no other reason than having a multi-platform application. I know of a company that is planning on a Mac Version of their flagship application. Windows is currently got a 100% market share in that market. Have one code base for the Guts with different GUIs is the only way that can pull it off. Apple has expanded Carbon so that it supports most everything that Cocoa does. From what I hear Cocoa is easier than Carbon but the devil you know is better than the angel you don't.
"Everything from their own anti-aliasing algorithm for text, their own custom widgets, to windows that you can only resize from the right corner." I know a designer that will be very happy about this. He complains constantly about how Microsoft render fonts compared to his Mac. I haven't played Safari to say I hate the font rendering. It seems fine on my monitor. So I am not too upset about that fonts yet. I agree that Safari is jarring. It looks totally out of place on my windows box but I could live with that. What I hate is the resizing. Sorry but that is how my Amiga worked way back in the 80s. It was great then but when they came out with hacks that let me resize from any border I never looked back. IMHO score one in the UI department for Linux and Windows over OS/X I will say one thing. I have not had any crashing issues with Safari on my system and it is very fast rendering script heavy pages. So I would say that it isn't bad but if Apple wants it to be a real alternative browser on Windows they are going to have to get it to compromise and follow some of the Windows UI conventions. Of course I hear that IE for the Mac did the exact same thing.
Guess what I am part Native American I am Iroquois from the Seneca tribe to be exact. Your view of Native Americans is idealized at best. Native American's respect for the environment has everything to do with there level of technology at the time. The Celtic people and many other European cultures worshiped nature until they reached a certain level of technology. Not only that but many people believe that the Maya civilization collapsed because it destroyed it's environment. I can also promise you that if the Aztec had ships, guns, and canon and managed to invade Europe in the time of the dark ages they would have been a far more brutal than the Europeans where. Native American's had the every same vices that the European's did. Slavery, torture, and murdering woman and children. It was a brutal time. Yes the trail of tears was inexcusable. Jackson ignored the Supreme Court and evicted the Cherokee from their land illegaly. I for one am sick of this "cleansing guilt" of the white man. Guess what you didn't kill any Native American's or take their land. And guess what else the Cleavland Indians and Washington Redskins don't bother me. While I am proud of Native American heritage I equally proud of my Irish and German heritage. My Irish ancestors where driven off their land by the English and their priests hunted down and killed. My German great grand father had his drug store looted because he was born in Germany but was living in the US in 1917. But I am also proud that his grandson, my Uncle Charley fought in WWII and helped liberate a Nazi death camp. He was also the one that taught me about being an Indian as he called himself. So get a grip, yes some tribes where friendly but some where every bit as brutal and blood thirsty as any settler. I am glad that my people's culture changed. I am glad they slavery and torture isn't part of my culture any longer. Maybe if my people had followed the way of "The Great Peacemaker" our history would have been different. The real truth is that if you lived back then you would have thought of me as a dirty half-breed and not your equal. We all would like to feel that we are better than those that came before us. We are but only because of their mistakes. We would be just as likely to make the same mistakes if we had lived back then.
the "so" should have been a "but". I know that OSX is feature rich I don't like calling it kruft because frankly I have written code one Windows so I know what kruft really is. One man's kruft is another's feature. My guess is that one of the things that might be reduced is Cocoa. They need to have Carbon for the Safari port but they will probably reduce that as well.
I have a sneaking feeling that safari is the API or close to it. I really doubt that IPhone is running a full version of OS/X. I have to assume that it is running an XScale CPU at probably 500 or so Mhx. It may have some dsp instructions but it most likely doesn't have an FPU. None of that is bad but it means that it is not close to as powerful as a Mac. It will not have a hard drive or virtual memory. It will have an MMU so it will not have what you or I think of as OS/X. Your right about Photoshop but a lot of killer apps have come from Apple. ITunes comes to my mind. Yes I would like a real SDK but then I work on an XScale embedded system running Linux every day. I really think that if Apple let you see the guts of the IPhone OS there would be a lot more complaining.
"I'd also like to see a comparison between HFS+ and ZFS within Macs. I bet the CPU hit would be reasonable." Depends on what is reasonable. Lots of high end mac users need every cycle of CPU that they have to encode HD video, render, and or run Photoshop filters. Then you have notebooks where every cycle means less battery life. For the casual home user with an iMac or mini they may have plenty of cycles left but would they even understand the features of ZFS? After all that is the just works crowd. Yes ZFS is a great file system but the $10,000 question is it that much better the HFS+. The other question is could it be make an option for OS/X? Is there already a module that lets you use ZFS under OS/X. If so then the users that want the features of ZFS can just add it.
It is really better for servers than a Workstation. It uses a lot of CPU power and adds features that no Workstation is likely to need for a while. It would be ideal for a NAS so maybe we will see it as an option on storage product from Apple.
Could be a lot of issues from virus checkers to any number of things you have running in the background. That is what really sucks about Windows development. People load so much crap on the system they the strangest thing can cause problems. I have found Norton anti virus to be a real pig. Safari isn't perfect on my system but it is bloody fast and hasn't crashed yet.
Simple truth is there is no simple truth. Some tribes did murder rape and kill. Some tribes where peaceful and really suffered greatly at the hands of settlers. Some settlers where every bit as blood thirsty as some of the worst of the tribes.
Then you have acts of individuals and groups of individuals. There where good and bad people on both sides as well as a complete lack of understand of each other on booth sides.
I hate to say it but there must be something very different between our systems. Slashdot titles render fine for me. Also Ebay renders and I think it is even faster than on Firefox. I will admit that it is pretty ugly when drawing Ebay but the end result is pretty nice. Now some of the other issues like it only leting my resize from the corner I really dislike I can resize from any edge on both Windows and KDE so that is just a little strange. I am using XP with all service packs. Heck it even worked on the my.yahoo beta page after I told it to just do it. My guess is that the issues you are having are not easily duplicatable and maybe caused by some other software you have installed that I just don't have.
I think you are making a mistake not taking them seriously. Seems like they very close to the level of the Brown Shirts that not educated person took seriously. Sorry but a country that is as chaotic and mob-ruled as you described with nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and state of the art fighters scares the crap out of me.
You do know that Cocoa uses Carbon for some functions? And that the Carbon now has services right??? Frankly if Safari can better integrate with Windows then it will be a grate thing for Apple. Might get some lazy web designers to do testing with Safari. Now where is my Linux version?
I do believe that there is an absolute right and wrong. I know I don't know what it is but I do believe that it exists.
Yes the US does allow free political speech even if it is ugly because we believe that political free speech needs to be protected. The US doesn't allow free and unfettered access to violent content. We have ratings on movies and video games. Frankly there are people in the US that think that this already goes too far.
"China is despite everything slowly moving towards a more democratic or at least capitalistic and free system. We can't expect them to move with lightning speed as they'd have too high a chance of blowing up in their faces for any sane politician to undertake (see soviet union)." Here is where I do disagree with you. I do not see Democratic and capitalist as being equal. I am not a big fan of pure socialism but there are countries that are largely socialist and have a good amount of freedom. Norway, Sweden, and some other European nations are socialist to one degree or another and are very free. I think the key to this is that anyone that doesn't like their systems is free to leave. I would rather see a free democratic socialist China than a totalitarian capitalist dictatorship. One of the big mistakes the US made during the cold war years was thinking that Socialism wold always lead to Communism.
Sounds like one shouldn't post PowerPoint files on the Internet. Sounds like they would have been safe if they had printed it to a PDF or converted it to HTML.
"I have personally spent the last 18 months living mostly in Pakistan and Indonesia - the worlds two largest Muslim countries. Despite standing out as a tall westerner, I didn't have any trouble at all, no terrorists, no jihads. Actually I found most of the people much friendlier than the people back home."
Well maybe you just expected less from them and where pleasantly surprised.
Actually I learned on of the big truths that most people never seem to get. I spent a summer with some relatives in Belfast when things where really bad. It looked like a war zone because it was. The big truth that people seem to miss is this. I don't what messy place you are in 99% of the people in that place just want to provide a good life for their family. It is that 1% that are heavily armed and would rather kill and die than forgive that cause all the grief. So you got to see the 99 during your visit. BTW I am on your side. I have meet some very nice people that follow Islam. When you judge an individual because of what group they belong too that is the definition of prejudice. Of course when it comes to members of certain groups that prejudice is ofter correct. I have to admit that I can not say that I know any good members of the Klan or the Neo-Nazis.
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Might I suggest selling LedgerSMB?
Just some suggestions
1 Accounting in a box. You get your choice of a mini tower or a 1u server that is all configured with a year's support for X dollars.
2. A cd that includes a Linux Distro and your sofware that includes a year's of Support for X dollars.
3. A cd of just the software with a years support for X dollars.
These make a lot more sense to most SMBs.
Frankly the Idea of accounting and CMS in a box could be a great little product.
Get over it. The truth is they wouldn't make a big deal over anything working well.
If it was a US computer failing the western press would be making a big deal about the American computer failing while the simple Russian systems worked just fine.
It is the blame game and press loves to play it.
"Am I correct that programming in and selling BSD-based boxes won't raise any of the above problems? You can do whatever you want with BSD code"
Correct but you have to be careful. It is very likely that you will find a lot of libraries are LGPL.
Dynamically link the libraries and you will be safe.
It will take a little bit of more space but shouldn't be a big problem.
"it's likely to just disappear and not make it back onto my machine the next time I reinstall Windows."
How often do you have to reinstall Windows?
I am not a big Windows fan but I go years between reinstalls without any problems.
I only do a reinstall when I get new System or a new Drive.
Refactor.
When I try and Refactor and object I get a message that this feature is not enabled.
Another feature that it lacks is a GUI designer but that I can understand. What GUI tool kit would it support? KDE, GTK, FLTK???
Doesn't matter to me since I am not using it for GUI code.
If I start doing KDE stuff I will use KDevelop.
I wish you all the best but even in a tech company like the one I work at we want to PAY for our accounting software!
We want someone to call when it doesn't work right. For LedgerSMB to work well there needs to be a pay for support option with a 24 hour a day support line.
FOSS is great but it is the support that you really need.
This is Quickbooks Enterprise not Quickbooks and yes it does matter.
The company I work uses SAGE for it's accounting but we us Linux for our servers... Except for the one that runs the accounting.
This product is for medium size businesses not small business. So yea it is a big deal.
I think a Linux version of Quicken would be great Dell could sell it. A Linux version of Quickbooks would also be nice for small companies. But for Quickbooks Enterprise the server side is the logical first move. Lots of medium sized companies would like to use Linux servers but are still using Windows Desktops. Thank you SAMBA.
I find that mixed code projects are a pain. I have done them but yick... :(
I wish that Apple would make a native C++ interface for Cocoa. The simple reason it that Objective-C isn't well supported on any system but OS/X. At least NeXT and Apple didn't pull a Microsoft and make up a nasty language that only ran on their OS...VB...
I refuse to learn a language that only works on one OS so VB and I will not meet. I would love to try Objective C but GTK and QT lack bindings for Objective-C and I don't know of any good Win32 Objective C frameworks.
As far as I can tell GCC doesn't support Objective-C++
EADS is jumping the shark on this one over all I think it is a bad plan. Wouldn't it be better to get the A380 back on track and the A350 WXB off the ground before Boeing's 787 gets even more sales?
How far is the A400M behind? I know that the UK is leasing C-17s from Boeing to tide them over and may just buy them instead of the A400M.
I don't doubt that they could build this but seems like case of Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
Isn't Gnomes IDE called Adjunta?
Yes Eclipse CDT is very useful, I have never used KDevelope but Some people really like it. But giving the Devil his due VS under windows is a good IDE.
I think that Carbon is going to be around for a long time if for no other reason than to support C++ developers. From what I understand Cocoa is Objective C specific. I don't care how good Objective C is there will always be a need for people to work in C++ if for no other reason than having a multi-platform application. I know of a company that is planning on a Mac Version of their flagship application. Windows is currently got a 100% market share in that market. Have one code base for the Guts with different GUIs is the only way that can pull it off.
Apple has expanded Carbon so that it supports most everything that Cocoa does. From what I hear Cocoa is easier than Carbon but the devil you know is better than the angel you don't.
"Everything from their own anti-aliasing algorithm for text, their own custom widgets, to windows that you can only resize from the right corner."
I know a designer that will be very happy about this. He complains constantly about how Microsoft render fonts compared to his Mac. I haven't played Safari to say I hate the font rendering. It seems fine on my monitor. So I am not too upset about that fonts yet.
I agree that Safari is jarring. It looks totally out of place on my windows box but I could live with that.
What I hate is the resizing. Sorry but that is how my Amiga worked way back in the 80s. It was great then but when they came out with hacks that let me resize from any border I never looked back.
IMHO score one in the UI department for Linux and Windows over OS/X
I will say one thing. I have not had any crashing issues with Safari on my system and it is very fast rendering script heavy pages.
So I would say that it isn't bad but if Apple wants it to be a real alternative browser on Windows they are going to have to get it to compromise and follow some of the Windows UI conventions.
Of course I hear that IE for the Mac did the exact same thing.
Guess what I am part Native American I am Iroquois from the Seneca tribe to be exact. Your view of Native Americans is idealized at best. Native American's respect for the environment has everything to do with there level of technology at the time. The Celtic people and many other European cultures worshiped nature until they reached a certain level of technology. Not only that but many people believe that the Maya civilization collapsed because it destroyed it's environment. I can also promise you that if the Aztec had ships, guns, and canon and managed to invade Europe in the time of the dark ages they would have been a far more brutal than the Europeans where.
Native American's had the every same vices that the European's did. Slavery, torture, and murdering woman and children. It was a brutal time. Yes the trail of tears was inexcusable. Jackson ignored the Supreme Court and evicted the Cherokee from their land illegaly. I for one am sick of this "cleansing guilt" of the white man. Guess what you didn't kill any Native American's or take their land. And guess what else the Cleavland Indians and Washington Redskins don't bother me. While I am proud of Native American heritage I equally proud of my Irish and German heritage. My Irish ancestors where driven off their land by the English and their priests hunted down and killed. My German great grand father had his drug store looted because he was born in Germany but was living in the US in 1917. But I am also proud that his grandson, my Uncle Charley fought in WWII and helped liberate a Nazi death camp. He was also the one that taught me about being an Indian as he called himself. So get a grip, yes some tribes where friendly but some where every bit as brutal and blood thirsty as any settler. I am glad that my people's culture changed. I am glad they slavery and torture isn't part of my culture any longer. Maybe if my people had followed the way of "The Great Peacemaker" our history would have been different. The real truth is that if you lived back then you would have thought of me as a dirty half-breed and not your equal. We all would like to feel that we are better than those that came before us. We are but only because of their mistakes. We would be just as likely to make the same mistakes if we had lived back then.
the "so" should have been a "but".
I know that OSX is feature rich I don't like calling it kruft because frankly I have written code one Windows so I know what kruft really is. One man's kruft is another's feature. My guess is that one of the things that might be reduced is Cocoa. They need to have Carbon for the Safari port but they will probably reduce that as well.
I have a sneaking feeling that safari is the API or close to it. I really doubt that IPhone is running a full version of OS/X. I have to assume that it is running an XScale CPU at probably 500 or so Mhx. It may have some dsp instructions but it most likely doesn't have an FPU. None of that is bad but it means that it is not close to as powerful as a Mac. It will not have a hard drive or virtual memory. It will have an MMU so it will not have what you or I think of as OS/X.
Your right about Photoshop but a lot of killer apps have come from Apple. ITunes comes to my mind. Yes I would like a real SDK but then I work on an XScale embedded system running Linux every day.
I really think that if Apple let you see the guts of the IPhone OS there would be a lot more complaining.
"I'd also like to see a comparison between HFS+ and ZFS within Macs. I bet the CPU hit would be reasonable."
Depends on what is reasonable. Lots of high end mac users need every cycle of CPU that they have to encode HD video, render, and or run Photoshop filters.
Then you have notebooks where every cycle means less battery life.
For the casual home user with an iMac or mini they may have plenty of cycles left but would they even understand the features of ZFS? After all that is the just works crowd.
Yes ZFS is a great file system but the $10,000 question is it that much better the HFS+.
The other question is could it be make an option for OS/X? Is there already a module that lets you use ZFS under OS/X. If so then the users that want the features of ZFS can just add it.
It is really better for servers than a Workstation. It uses a lot of CPU power and adds features that no Workstation is likely to need for a while. It would be ideal for a NAS so maybe we will see it as an option on storage product from Apple.
Could be a lot of issues from virus checkers to any number of things you have running in the background.
That is what really sucks about Windows development. People load so much crap on the system they the strangest thing can cause problems. I have found Norton anti virus to be a real pig.
Safari isn't perfect on my system but it is bloody fast and hasn't crashed yet.
Simple truth is there is no simple truth.
Some tribes did murder rape and kill.
Some tribes where peaceful and really suffered greatly at the hands of settlers.
Some settlers where every bit as blood thirsty as some of the worst of the tribes.
Then you have acts of individuals and groups of individuals.
There where good and bad people on both sides as well as a complete lack of understand of each other on booth sides.
I hate to say it but there must be something very different between our systems. Slashdot titles render fine for me. Also Ebay renders and I think it is even faster than on Firefox.
I will admit that it is pretty ugly when drawing Ebay but the end result is pretty nice.
Now some of the other issues like it only leting my resize from the corner I really dislike I can resize from any edge on both Windows and KDE so that is just a little strange.
I am using XP with all service packs. Heck it even worked on the my.yahoo beta page after I told it to just do it.
My guess is that the issues you are having are not easily duplicatable and maybe caused by some other software you have installed that I just don't have.
I think you are making a mistake not taking them seriously. Seems like they very close to the level of the Brown Shirts that not educated person took seriously. Sorry but a country that is as chaotic and mob-ruled as you described with nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and state of the art fighters scares the crap out of me.
You do know that Cocoa uses Carbon for some functions? And that the Carbon now has services right???
Frankly if Safari can better integrate with Windows then it will be a grate thing for Apple. Might get some lazy web designers to do testing with Safari.
Now where is my Linux version?
I do believe that there is an absolute right and wrong. I know I don't know what it is but I do believe that it exists.
Yes the US does allow free political speech even if it is ugly because we believe that political free speech needs to be protected. The US doesn't allow free and unfettered access to violent content. We have ratings on movies and video games. Frankly there are people in the US that think that this already goes too far.
"China is despite everything slowly moving towards a more democratic or at least capitalistic and free system. We can't expect them to move with lightning speed as they'd have too high a chance of blowing up in their faces for any sane politician to undertake (see soviet union)."
Here is where I do disagree with you.
I do not see Democratic and capitalist as being equal. I am not a big fan of pure socialism but there are countries that are largely socialist and have a good amount of freedom. Norway, Sweden, and some other European nations are socialist to one degree or another and are very free. I think the key to this is that anyone that doesn't like their systems is free to leave. I would rather see a free democratic socialist China than a totalitarian capitalist dictatorship.
One of the big mistakes the US made during the cold war years was thinking that Socialism wold always lead to Communism.
Just my opinion.
Sounds like one shouldn't post PowerPoint files on the Internet.
Sounds like they would have been safe if they had printed it to a PDF or converted it to HTML.
"I have personally spent the last 18 months living mostly in Pakistan and Indonesia - the worlds two largest Muslim countries. Despite standing out as a tall westerner, I didn't have any trouble at all, no terrorists, no jihads. Actually I found most of the people much friendlier than the people back home."
Well maybe you just expected less from them and where pleasantly surprised.
Actually I learned on of the big truths that most people never seem to get. I spent a summer with some relatives in Belfast when things where really bad. It looked like a war zone because it was.
The big truth that people seem to miss is this. I don't what messy place you are in 99% of the people in that place just want to provide a good life for their family. It is that 1% that are heavily armed and would rather kill and die than forgive that cause all the grief.
So you got to see the 99 during your visit. BTW I am on your side. I have meet some very nice people that follow Islam. When you judge an individual because of what group they belong too that is the definition of prejudice. Of course when it comes to members of certain groups that prejudice is ofter correct. I have to admit that I can not say that I know any good members of the Klan or the Neo-Nazis.