Hey I don't own a Wii yet, I do own a GC, PS2, and a Dreamcast. I am sorry but the simple fact is that I can find PS3s everywhere and Wiis can not be found. I work at a software development firm. We have a good number of gamers but not a single PS3 owner in the bunch. I know somebody is buying them but not in the numbers that Nintendo is selling or to any of my friends or coworkers. Right now the Wii is the top selling console in the US and Japan. I don't know about Europe but I think the Wii is number one there as well. The PS3 is outselling the 360 in Japan but Japan is a very hard market of a US game manufacture to crack. The PS3 is the most expensive console and doesn't seem to have have any real must have titles yet. I have heard that Virtual fighter is good but I don't like fighting games. The 360 is cheaper with a larger library of games and the Wii is much cheaper and seems to have all the buzz. The PS3 frankly has a long road ahead of it right now. Things could change but the facts are the facts.
Well could you call this LWATCDR's extension of Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crud but after 10 years you only remember the 10% that is actually good.
"This would kill my use for the board as a server for example, as I like to boot my servers from a small (otherwise unused) HDD or CF card' If you really want to do this then I would suggest a USB flash drive instead of the CF or a SATA to IDE adapter. Yes it would be great if this board would boot from the IDE but it looks like that is currently impossible.
Put it out for the PC first or as a flash game on the web. Once you are making some money from it get an office and then a Wii Developers kit.
Sort like what the creators of Bejeweled did. The really big question is will Nintendo offer something like the XBox Marketplace for cheap downloadable content?
Once you start producing software for a living the cost of tools is really a pretty small expense. The real savings that the Wii offers over the PS3 and 360 is the cost of artwork and developer time. The Wii is just a super GC so if you have developed for the Gamecube the Wii will seem pretty much like the same old same old. The PS3 is nothing like the PS2 and the 360 is very different from the XBox.
Compared to PS3 and the even the 360 the Wii is cheap and easy. The cost of tools really is a small cost when you look at development costs. As far as I can tell none of the consoles are all that friendly towards microstudios. Low cost PS3 requires you to install Linux and prevents access to the graphics chip and I think the 360 makes distrbuting your own software not so easy but I really don't know.
Nintendo's plan, 1. Sell the console for a profit, 2. Make fun games. 3. Make it cheap and easy to develop for. 4. Profit.
I still find it all very interesting. I still see the occasional article about how the PS3 will win in the end but I don't know anyone with a PS3 yet but I know a lot of people that have 360s and that want Wiis.
I predict that Microsoft will win the hardcore gamer market and possibly the video delivery market. The Wii will win the broad based gamer market. IE even the hard core gamers will have a Wii next to their 360. Sony I just don't know. They may end up in third place this time.
90% of everything is crap. As time passes you remember the good 10%. It is doesn't matter if it is movies, cars, TV, or video games. So yes the old games we remember are better than most of the video games on the market today.
Microsoft's sucess has never been about producing the best software. Microsoft is biased on making the right deal at the right time and inertia. You could produce the best OS or Office suit on the planet and not beat Microsoft.
Yea but isn't it better to act now instead of waiting? I mean if they had banned vaccines back when they thought if might have caused autism what would it have hurt? When was the last time anybody you know caught measles mumps or rubella? I say better safe than sorry. And yes I am kidding.
That is a myth. Software that control aircraft are tested to this level or else many people would die. Even the bug on the F-22 wasn't in the flight system but in the navigation system. Yes you can write crash free or very close to crash free software more complex than calc. You just have to design the system that way from the start.
Well yes and no. If the OS terminates a program that is causing a potential security violation like a stack overflow then that is a feature of the OS and a bug in the application. Word has a bug that may or may not be a security issue but a bug none the less. Frankly anytime a program crashes because of a damaged datafile I really want to smack the programmer.
No it will make no difference in latency. It would make a difference in bandwidth. If you could modulate X-Ray easily then you could really send some data.
I wonder if they will use optical links between the satellites? In space you don't have clouds or fog so a laser could make a good link between spacecraft. They have been using optical links for years between sigint satellites and military comsats. You get a high data rate, no need to worry about your transmissions interfering with what you are listening to, and your sigint bird is mostly silent except for the deception signals being sent.
"So I am guessing you used a P3 for all these years and just now upgraded to a Core2Duo." That was because he said he always used Intel and now had another reason not to use AMD besides heat. The P4 line of CPUs where great space heaters compared to the AMD64s. The P3 was a good chip as far as speed to heat the P4 sucked.
I am all for not buying DRM but. 1. Intel has their trusted platform with DRM and has not given the full hardware specs of their graphic chips to the FOSS community to protect DRM video playback. To be fair they have give more details then ATI and nVidia. 2. This is a rumor. Not unlike the Novell and cleartype junk. If AMD does DRM their video chips and Intel doesn't I too will be an Intel convert but again this is a rumor. 3. My feeling on DRM is simply this. I think if you DRM material you shouldn't get any legal copyright protection. Their are laws to prevent copying and the idea of copyrights is after a reasonable amount of time these materials become public domain. If you DRM it then it can not be preserved for the future so I feel that you then should get no legal protection. So take your pick protect yourself or have the force of law to protect you. And yes I hate the extensions of copyright. It is just wrong.
"Now I have another reason (other than processor heat) to stay away from AMD." So I am guessing you used a P3 for all these years and just now upgraded to a Core2Duo. AMD isn't known for making hot running chips Intel is. I also guess you haven't heard about Intel's trusted platform... Plus this is just a rumor.
Man you can jump high enough to reach any conclusion you want too.
"You may not agree that Novell has done anything worth boycotting them for, but isn't that up to their customers (in this case Linux users) to decide?" Customers yes. Linux user no. The people that download OpenSuse are not Novell customers.
But shouldn't people also think before speak or in this case post. All the flames at Novell over FreeType was total FUD worthy of Microsoft at it's worst. This was a case of way to many idiots thinking they had all the answer but where totally full of pre-compost. Anyone that flamed Novell for turning off the ClearType like features in Freetype2 they where 100% wrong. It really is as simple as that. Every anti Novell post in that Slashdot thread is -5 Troll. Trying to that statements is also wrong. A mistake is what Wise men makes and a fool defends.
They also have to think long term. The Wii isn't going to sell at this rate forever. A million systems a month if a really high rate production. Nintendo could increase capacity but at what cost? What happens when the demand drops and they have all that production capacity? If I had a failure like the Wii I would be a very happy person.
Very short answer is who knows? Way too little information in the article. Short answer is maybe. By spreading the airflow over the body you could get a some extra thrust at low speeds and hovering is a very low speed. The spread out air flow could accelerate the surrounding air and give a boost in thrust. The most efficient way to generate thrust is to accelerated as much air as possible to the lowest speed possible. That is why a prop is more efficient at slow speed, a turbofan is more efficient at medium speeds and a turbojet is most efficient at very high speeds. What I doubt is that it can scale up. Nothing in aerodynamics is free. By spreading the airflow over the body you are increasing the drag on the airflow and slowing it down. With a small vehicle you may get more benefit for the extra air that gets dragged along than you loose form the drag of the airflow on the body. It could be great for a small drone but I just don't think it will work at human scale. Remember the old wives tale about it being aerodynamically impossible for a bee to fly? Well a bee the size of bee can fly a bee the size of a humming bird can not. Same principles may apply here but without seeing numbers and details I am just guessing. Besides when anybody claims a great breakthrough in flying machines I go ultra pessimistic. Too many claims that have totally failed. Show me the data or better yet, fly it at Oshkosh.
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Actually I am doing embedded Linux development just not for a PDA. Believe it or not X is used on some PDA like systems not the X you and I know but compact X servers. Not my choice but there are people that use it and love it. Linux is usable but I often feel it is way too rich. Even when you trim the kernel down you still have a lot of features that you may not need or want in your application . I just keep wondering if we are all going for Linux because it is good enough.
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I don't consider brilliant but limited a criticism at all. While I really like Linux I also wonder if it is the best choice for a PDA. Your comment about how it isn't great for people slapping together apps with a RAD is actually a pretty big criticizing of Linux. One thing that I notice is that many applications that other people would do in Visual Basic or Delphi under Windows are done with LAMP under Linux. While a not a bad way to set up an application if you are running from a server it really isn't easy to install and run for the average Grandmother. A good RAD system would be a killer app for a PDA. Linux is great but it is also very general purpose. Symbian is a great example of an OS that is optimized for a PDA type system. I am excited to see what Palm produces since I am no fan of WinCE but I still wonder if Linux has become a one size fits all OS at the expense of other ideas in OS development. I would love to see something new and really different come from FOSS. BTW Linux could have a killer RAD development system. All we need is to integrate Eclipse, SWT, SQLite, and GJC into one easy to use and configure package.
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Palm OS was a brilliant OS for the day but it is very limited. Palm has been talking about an Developing a PALM OS based on Linux for years. This is the next generation of Palm OS not really a replacement. It a lot like the move from Mac OS/9 to Mac OS/X. It could be a very good thing.
I wonder if these servers would have to be "disposable" Trying to swap out parts is going to be a major problem. Think of the time to drain the server and get it clean enough to swap out a part. Forget about adding RAM. Probably not an issue for places that use many 1Us for a web front end but for a lot of places it seems like a big pain. I hate to bring it up but what about the fire hazard. Most oils I have see will burn if you get it hot enough. For everyone that was posting about hard drives I doubt that would be an issue. I would guess that any place that used this would use NAS.
Why not just use water cooling? Have quick connect connectors on the back of the case and then attach them to a manifold on each rack. Get the cold water right from the chiller and you would be all set. To be extra safe you could use Fluorinert with a liquid to liquid heat exchanger or to save money mineral oil in the cooling loop with a liquid to liquid heat exchanger. All of these seem like better ideas then dunking a server in oil.
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Hey I don't own a Wii yet, I do own a GC, PS2, and a Dreamcast. I am sorry but the simple fact is that I can find PS3s everywhere and Wiis can not be found. I work at a software development firm. We have a good number of gamers but not a single PS3 owner in the bunch. I know somebody is buying them but not in the numbers that Nintendo is selling or to any of my friends or coworkers.
Right now the Wii is the top selling console in the US and Japan. I don't know about Europe but I think the Wii is number one there as well.
The PS3 is outselling the 360 in Japan but Japan is a very hard market of a US game manufacture to crack.
The PS3 is the most expensive console and doesn't seem to have have any real must have titles yet. I have heard that Virtual fighter is good but I don't like fighting games.
The 360 is cheaper with a larger library of games and the Wii is much cheaper and seems to have all the buzz. The PS3 frankly has a long road ahead of it right now. Things could change but the facts are the facts.
Why would I run a server with Windows?
Windows costs money and linux and bsd work just fine from USB and is free as in beer and speech.
Well could you call this LWATCDR's extension of Sturgeon's Law.
90% of everything is crud but after 10 years you only remember the 10% that is actually good.
"This would kill my use for the board as a server for example, as I like to boot my servers from a small (otherwise unused) HDD or CF card'
If you really want to do this then I would suggest a USB flash drive instead of the CF or a SATA to IDE adapter.
Yes it would be great if this board would boot from the IDE but it looks like that is currently impossible.
Put it out for the PC first or as a flash game on the web.
Once you are making some money from it get an office and then a Wii Developers kit.
Sort like what the creators of Bejeweled did.
The really big question is will Nintendo offer something like the XBox Marketplace for cheap downloadable content?
Once you start producing software for a living the cost of tools is really a pretty small expense. The real savings that the Wii offers over the PS3 and 360 is the cost of artwork and developer time. The Wii is just a super GC so if you have developed for the Gamecube the Wii will seem pretty much like the same old same old. The PS3 is nothing like the PS2 and the 360 is very different from the XBox.
Compared to PS3 and the even the 360 the Wii is cheap and easy. The cost of tools really is a small cost when you look at development costs.
As far as I can tell none of the consoles are all that friendly towards microstudios. Low cost PS3 requires you to install Linux and prevents access to the graphics chip and I think the 360 makes distrbuting your own software not so easy but I really don't know.
Nintendo's plan,
1. Sell the console for a profit,
2. Make fun games.
3. Make it cheap and easy to develop for.
4. Profit.
I still find it all very interesting. I still see the occasional article about how the PS3 will win in the end but I don't know anyone with a PS3 yet but I know a lot of people that have 360s and that want Wiis.
I predict that Microsoft will win the hardcore gamer market and possibly the video delivery market. The Wii will win the broad based gamer market. IE even the hard core gamers will have a Wii next to their 360.
Sony I just don't know. They may end up in third place this time.
I bet if you ask about GBA and DS games you will see that kind of cross over. That is also what the Wii is all about, broad based fun games.
90% of everything is crap. As time passes you remember the good 10%. It is doesn't matter if it is movies, cars, TV, or video games. So yes the old games we remember are better than most of the video games on the market today.
Microsoft's sucess has never been about producing the best software. Microsoft is biased on making the right deal at the right time and inertia. You could produce the best OS or Office suit on the planet and not beat Microsoft.
Yea but isn't it better to act now instead of waiting? I mean if they had banned vaccines back when they thought if might have caused autism what would it have hurt? When was the last time anybody you know caught measles mumps or rubella? I say better safe than sorry.
And yes I am kidding.
That is a myth. Software that control aircraft are tested to this level or else many people would die. Even the bug on the F-22 wasn't in the flight system but in the navigation system.
Yes you can write crash free or very close to crash free software more complex than calc. You just have to design the system that way from the start.
Well yes and no.
If the OS terminates a program that is causing a potential security violation like a stack overflow then that is a feature of the OS and a bug in the application.
Word has a bug that may or may not be a security issue but a bug none the less.
Frankly anytime a program crashes because of a damaged datafile I really want to smack the programmer.
No it will make no difference in latency. It would make a difference in bandwidth. If you could modulate X-Ray easily then you could really send some data.
I wonder if they will use optical links between the satellites? In space you don't have clouds or fog so a laser could make a good link between spacecraft. They have been using optical links for years between sigint satellites and military comsats. You get a high data rate, no need to worry about your transmissions interfering with what you are listening to, and your sigint bird is mostly silent except for the deception signals being sent.
Radio is light or light is radio. Radio is just a different "color" of light same as X-Rays.
"So I am guessing you used a P3 for all these years and just now upgraded to a Core2Duo."
That was because he said he always used Intel and now had another reason not to use AMD besides heat. The P4 line of CPUs where great space heaters compared to the AMD64s. The P3 was a good chip as far as speed to heat the P4 sucked.
I am all for not buying DRM but.
1. Intel has their trusted platform with DRM and has not given the full hardware specs of their graphic chips to the FOSS community to protect DRM video playback. To be fair they have give more details then ATI and nVidia.
2. This is a rumor. Not unlike the Novell and cleartype junk. If AMD does DRM their video chips and Intel doesn't I too will be an Intel convert but again this is a rumor.
3. My feeling on DRM is simply this. I think if you DRM material you shouldn't get any legal copyright protection. Their are laws to prevent copying and the idea of copyrights is after a reasonable amount of time these materials become public domain. If you DRM it then it can not be preserved for the future so I feel that you then should get no legal protection. So take your pick protect yourself or have the force of law to protect you. And yes I hate the extensions of copyright. It is just wrong.
"Now I have another reason (other than processor heat) to stay away from AMD."
So I am guessing you used a P3 for all these years and just now upgraded to a Core2Duo.
AMD isn't known for making hot running chips Intel is. I also guess you haven't heard about Intel's trusted platform...
Plus this is just a rumor.
Man you can jump high enough to reach any conclusion you want too.
"You may not agree that Novell has done anything worth boycotting them for, but isn't that up to their customers (in this case Linux users) to decide?"
Customers yes. Linux user no. The people that download OpenSuse are not Novell customers.
But shouldn't people also think before speak or in this case post.
All the flames at Novell over FreeType was total FUD worthy of Microsoft at it's worst.
This was a case of way to many idiots thinking they had all the answer but where totally full of pre-compost.
Anyone that flamed Novell for turning off the ClearType like features in Freetype2 they where 100% wrong. It really is as simple as that. Every anti Novell post in that Slashdot thread is -5 Troll.
Trying to that statements is also wrong. A mistake is what Wise men makes and a fool defends.
They also have to think long term. The Wii isn't going to sell at this rate forever. A million systems a month if a really high rate production. Nintendo could increase capacity but at what cost? What happens when the demand drops and they have all that production capacity?
If I had a failure like the Wii I would be a very happy person.
Very short answer is who knows? Way too little information in the article.
Short answer is maybe. By spreading the airflow over the body you could get a some extra thrust at low speeds and hovering is a very low speed. The spread out air flow could accelerate the surrounding air and give a boost in thrust. The most efficient way to generate thrust is to accelerated as much air as possible to the lowest speed possible. That is why a prop is more efficient at slow speed, a turbofan is more efficient at medium speeds and a turbojet is most efficient at very high speeds.
What I doubt is that it can scale up. Nothing in aerodynamics is free. By spreading the airflow over the body you are increasing the drag on the airflow and slowing it down. With a small vehicle you may get more benefit for the extra air that gets dragged along than you loose form the drag of the airflow on the body. It could be great for a small drone but I just don't think it will work at human scale.
Remember the old wives tale about it being aerodynamically impossible for a bee to fly? Well a bee the size of bee can fly a bee the size of a humming bird can not. Same principles may apply here but without seeing numbers and details I am just guessing. Besides when anybody claims a great breakthrough in flying machines I go ultra pessimistic. Too many claims that have totally failed. Show me the data or better yet, fly it at Oshkosh.
Actually I am doing embedded Linux development just not for a PDA. Believe it or not X is used on some PDA like systems not the X you and I know but compact X servers. Not my choice but there are people that use it and love it.
Linux is usable but I often feel it is way too rich. Even when you trim the kernel down you still have a lot of features that you may not need or want in your application . I just keep wondering if we are all going for Linux because it is good enough.
I don't consider brilliant but limited a criticism at all. While I really like Linux I also wonder if it is the best choice for a PDA. Your comment about how it isn't great for people slapping together apps with a RAD is actually a pretty big criticizing of Linux. One thing that I notice is that many applications that other people would do in Visual Basic or Delphi under Windows are done with LAMP under Linux. While a not a bad way to set up an application if you are running from a server it really isn't easy to install and run for the average Grandmother. A good RAD system would be a killer app for a PDA. Linux is great but it is also very general purpose. Symbian is a great example of an OS that is optimized for a PDA type system. I am excited to see what Palm produces since I am no fan of WinCE but I still wonder if Linux has become a one size fits all OS at the expense of other ideas in OS development. I would love to see something new and really different come from FOSS.
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Linux could have a killer RAD development system. All we need is to integrate Eclipse, SWT, SQLite, and GJC into one easy to use and configure package.
Palm OS was a brilliant OS for the day but it is very limited. Palm has been talking about an Developing a PALM OS based on Linux for years. This is the next generation of Palm OS not really a replacement. It a lot like the move from Mac OS/9 to Mac OS/X. It could be a very good thing.
I wonder if these servers would have to be "disposable" Trying to swap out parts is going to be a major problem. Think of the time to drain the server and get it clean enough to swap out a part. Forget about adding RAM. Probably not an issue for places that use many 1Us for a web front end but for a lot of places it seems like a big pain. I hate to bring it up but what about the fire hazard. Most oils I have see will burn if you get it hot enough.
For everyone that was posting about hard drives I doubt that would be an issue. I would guess that any place that used this would use NAS.
Why not just use water cooling? Have quick connect connectors on the back of the case and then attach them to a manifold on each rack. Get the cold water right from the chiller and you would be all set. To be extra safe you could use Fluorinert with a liquid to liquid heat exchanger or to save money mineral oil in the cooling loop with a liquid to liquid heat exchanger.
All of these seem like better ideas then dunking a server in oil.