Well, I'm not sure if this is the same thing or not, but the recent 1.1.1 KDE release has some RH6 'strings' if you will that kinda pissed me off.
I was running 1.1 on my 5.2 setup and when I upgraded with the 6.0 distribution, I had trouble with KDE. Some digging at kde.org and I find a snippet that says the RH6 distro has its own 'flavor' of KDE and I need to use the RPM's supplied on the CD.
Not a real big deal, but I *did* have to nuke KDE from my system completely to install the RH6-supplied 1.1.1 version. Moreover, the 'generic' kde 1.1.1 rpms would not install when I first tried them since the installer script checked the version and reported that it would only work on versions 5.2 and before.
Now I guess there's nothing to stop me (and I probably should, anyway) just grab the source and compile/install myself, but some of the convenience of using rpm packages is lost.
So, I'm thinking about switching to Gnome. If RedHat ticks me off enough, I may take a deep breath and switch to Debian, anyway.:-)
>This has nothing to do with the "pain of littleton".
Maybe not, maybe so. I think that is a valid opinion that I agree with, but that WB does not. It's a judgement call. I would probably do the same if I were at WB.
The public's opinion on violence and its possible role in the school shootings seems to be in flux. Clinton is getting a 'study' together to explore the impact of violence in videogames, movies, TV, etc. If I were an exec at WB, I think I would find discretion the better part of valor in this case.
I don't think the reasoning would be that airing this episode could cause further school violence, I'm not sure anyone outside of the parents and their lawyers buy that. I am pretty sure that this is about not exposing their collective arse to the media and its pundits.
"On the next Geraldo... does TV violence like Buffy the Vampire-Slayer contribute to high-school masacre?"
No thank you, I'll tuck this little episode away for now and wait until this Littleton thing blows over a bit, take my chances with the upset fans. What?... Some kids are distributing it on the net? Oh well, at least they can't blame us since we didn't bradcast it in the US.
Just adds to the interest for when it does get eventually broadcast, eh?
>Which solution will be picked, and what happens when the competition wants to use something different?
I don't think this is the issue. I don't think the would-be competitive ISP's want a wire all the way to your house anymore than they do today with your phone line.
What appears to be at issue here is that the data/video cable service is bundled with the ISP service the way that local/long distance service used to be.
What I want as a consumer is to get broadband internet access speeds, but not be locked into a single internet service provider. Same way as today your choice of phone service and ISP are different. If I have Ameritech as my local phone company, I can use Ameritech.net as my ISP or I can choose a different one like Star-Net.
I want the same choice in my cable. Sure there are some technological hurdles as well as economic ones. This may or may not be feasible with the current technology/economics. I hope it is.
Right. You assume that the recipient (sp?) of pirated software would not have purchased a legit copy, so the maker is not out any $$.
This may be true for typical warez leeches who pull off hundreds of dollars of Mickeysoft office suite software and install it and sit back and think "gee, I just ripped bigtime" but wouldn't have ever bought a real copy because a) they can't aford it b) they don't need it. (oversimplification).
But what about Vietnam? They had like, what, over 90% pirated software? Something tells me that a) some of these ppl could afford a legal copy b) some of these ppl are using this software out of a real need c) they would likely have to buy a legit copy were it not for available pirated copies. (no?)
Granted, if this is mostly MS software and they are bitching because of lost billions of revenue, I have little sympathy.
And another post said something to the effect that creating and selling proprietary software is immoral so stealing immoraly created products is less of a crime than stealing a candy bar. OK.
I'm not so sure I go along with this reasoning. After all, right or wrong, the software industry is largely built on the premise of closed-source proprietary software products for sale for profit. I won't go as far to say that software piracy takes the food away from programmer's family's tables, but for sure there is *some* loss of revenue to companies that affects the employees that work hard to make a buck.
>.primarily forcing long-distance customers to have @Home service.
Huh? I thought the issue was that if you wanted high-speed cable internet access, you had to have @Home as your ISP - you can't pick AOL or Star-Net or others. Did I miss Something? I don't think LD service has anything to do with this, or did I miss something?
Yup, I'm kinda torn on this issue, but I hafta agree with your point.
On the one hand I kinda side with AT&T that they (through acquisition of TCI) have laid out the capital for the network, and they need to count on a forecast return on the investment in the form of ISP revenues in order to make that investment profitable. IOW: they plopped down some $11 billion or so and will continue to spend to invest in the network infrastructure, and this was all planned out with the assumption of $xxx billion revenue over the next decade or so.
Now if they have to sell network capacity to other ISP's at some FCC-mandated wholesale rate, their business plan kinda falls apart. A predictable response to this will be to reduce the capital investment so that the company's operating income doesn't nosedive and drag the stock down. This means you don't get a cable modem in your godforsaken town for another 5 years instead of next summer.
But that is kind of their own fault. They seem to be gambling on this closed access thing and will probably lose. I'm afraid this might mean that high-speed broadband cable internet access may not get rolled out to everyone as soon as it might if AT&T could count on the revenue they built their business plan on.
OTOH, the idea of not having any real choice in ISP because of this is not attractive (to say the least). You can let your imagination run wild at the prospect that once you are locked into @home and they do something you don't like (restricting access to certain services, charging you extra for multiple computers connected to the service in your home, etc), you have little recourse to do anything about it. You can't go to a competitor, they don't really have any reason to listen to your complaints because they know you won't go back to dialup.
But how to solve this dilemma so that high-speed access gets built out for everyone and yet no monopoly in broadband ISP service is created?
Umm, I dunno - I'd be in the telecommunications consulting business if I knew.... Wait! I *am* in that business!
So, let AT&T keep going with the assumption they will get the $40 a month per sub that they plan on now by having exclusive ISP business. But hold the card up your sleeve that eventually you will force them to open their network to competitors. Otherwise you can only regulate the piss out of them to keep them from gouging the customers and/or introducing unfair service agreement terms to monopoly-hostage customers.
(I know, but its kinda fun to think about doing it that way, isn't it?)
hmm, haven't tried viewing as AC, will try that next.
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Way to go, Rob! Slash dot just keeps on getting more useful and flexible!
Railroad company "A" owns and operates tracks through your city. Chemical company "B" own a toxic chemical car that happens to derail (fault of the car, not the railway?) and begin spilling its contents on Railroad "A"'s tracks right in the middle of your town. You contact Railroad "A" to come take care of the mess. They say that Chemical Company "B" owns the car and that they are not responsible for the structural integrity of the chemical car, only the proper operation of the railway as a thoroughfare (sp?).
10,000 people get sick and or die because of the spill and the railroad (and the chemical company) get hauled into court. The railroad is slapped with a $1 million judgement because they were notified of the hazard but did nothing because they felt they were not technically responsible for the problem.
Now, that analogy being full of holes as I'm sure someone will soon point out, it appears to me that this guy contacted the ISP since that was where he perceived the problem to be. I don't agree that the court should have sided against the ISP, but I can also see the point of view of this guy who saw some really bad comments being attributed to him, and made a call to where he thought the problem could best be fixed. (now the fact that this guy must be a real creep for so many people to give him reason to sue for defamation is another story.)
By blocking the incoming ports of those services you would run on your server (80, 21, etc). My cable service has the same restriction, and they do enforce it (tho there's no way to enforce the single machine rule, they just would rather sell their own product to provide this, which of course only runs on Windows).
Of course, a way to get around that is to use non-standard port numbers. Except that if they find out you have violated terms of service they can kick you off. I tried to run a Quake server on my connection but they had incoming 27910 traffic blocked. I switched to 27911 and it worked for two weeks until they blocked that, After I switched to 27912, they blocked it again two weeks later and sent me a nasty note saying they would cut my service if I kept this up.
I had a different experience with RH support. I upgraded several boxes with the RH6 boxed set distribution, and ran into trouble with only one, which happened to have 3c905b NIC. After checking the newsgroups and trying a couple different things, I opened a support ticket.
I got an e-mail with the answer, within 24 hours, to get the latest Donald Becker driver source for that card as it was not tested and shipped with RH6. I gave it a try and that fixed the problem I was having.
I saw the next day that this was posted in the knowledge base.
I suspect he understands that perfectly, he *is* somewhat of a genius.;-)
I don't think that this was a statement of discovery, Carmack seems to always be very open and honest in his communications (see the self-depricating (sp?) passage about a mis-assumption he made for 3 years). The way I read this is he is more expressing his delight at having *experienced* the magic of open source.
The *really* neat thing about this is that all the 3D-gamers who follow Carmack like some messiah will read this and maybe understand a little about what the whole linux/open-source concept it about.
How are these votes any less valid because they all happened in a short time? Let the MAC, Win and console players post the link on their fan sites and go vote.
This isn't like the hank-the-angry-drunken-dwarf farce from people magazine's poll. There people were making a point that web popularity polls for 'beautiful people' was subject to ridicule by the large majority of net users.
Here we have a legit poll on the potential audience for games developed for specific platforms. I hope they recognize that linux users are a valuable segment, regardless of the time interval in which we cast our votes.:-)
If nothing else, they must recognize the capability we have to somewhat organize ourselves and make our collective presence known. This in itself can be valuable market research data which they can incorporate into whatever strategy develops from this poll.
Well, reading the article, I think what is being recognized is the net-wide collaborative development of linux. I'm entirely unsure of the origins of mosaic, but wasn't it a university project? (Maybe UofI?)
So sure, mosaic is synonymous (sp?) with the www, and has no doubt made immeasurable contribution to society. The way I read this though, the real accomplishment being recognized is the building of linux by so many hands linked only by usenet, mailing lists and e-mail.
Doom is a great game, don't get me wrong. I'm not sure I get the.net connection tho. I know you could download it as shareware, but it was created by a small group of developers in texas (id Software), not by people on the net (i think?).
I'm using an alton 747 bx board that has AT and ATX power connectors and also has a hardware jumper to disable ATX power functions. I ended up with this setup just by coincidence after I had done some upgrades and had enough spare parts for another server (except cpu). I have and old 386 tower sitting around so I got an AT-slim ps from pc power and cooling and then got a p2-450 to put on the board. Since the board accepts an AT powersupply, there is no danger of it powering down through some ATX function.
Yeah, mine doesn't crash, but it doesn't work right.
I first saw this yesterday and viewed it in nav 4.5 running on my win 95 (ugh) desktop at work. It was pretty funny.
Then when I got home I tried to load it up to show it to my wife on nav 4.6 running under Linux. It didn't explode but it was all skewed and jumpy. Very dissapointing.
Um, so howcome in episode 4-6 the 'force' is not explained to luke in terms of micro-organisms? Did Obi-Wan and Yoda just forget to mention this to luke? Or, more likely it seems, the whole micro-organism thing is a red herring?
Because if you were able to diagnose the 'force' down to some microbe, could you not then artifically control it in a person? (beef them up, vaccinate against them?)
Hmm..
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...and Linux version of Quake 3 came out _before_ the windows version (well, the test did anyway, and it runs and looks a helluva lot better on Linux than Win32 on the same box!)
The Linux version will ship the same time sa the winblows version (my local EB better have one waiting for me the day it is released!)
>since GNU already has the respect of its users / peers, who are they trying to get here with all this incessent cheerleading?
Everybody else?
I'm more or less a semi-informed bystander here, I don't have a strong opinion here either way... here's what occurs to me from following this:
All the trade press is giving Linux lots of eyeball-time and it is starting to become a topic of discussion in many shops, including my own, as 'Linux'. (my poor braindead mgmt sticks with NT, they 'dabble' in a little Solaris, Linux is not on the 'approved' list)
But "Linux" is at least on their radar. If FSF finished Hurd tomorrow and was able to get a GNU/Hurd distribution together, would outsiders like my management make the connection that this was a viable alternative to NT same as "Linux"?
So it seems to me that a possible reason for this is to make GNU part of this radar-blip, so that anytime someone outside of the Linux community talks/thinks/reads about it the TLA "GNU" is prominent. This makes it easier to later replace the 'linux' in GNU/Linux with something else and still retain the connotation that "Linux" alone now has?
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the same thing or not, but the recent 1.1.1 KDE release has some RH6 'strings' if you will that kinda pissed me off.
:-)
I was running 1.1 on my 5.2 setup and when I upgraded with the 6.0 distribution, I had trouble with KDE. Some digging at kde.org and I find a snippet that says the RH6 distro has its own 'flavor' of KDE and I need to use the RPM's supplied on the CD.
Not a real big deal, but I *did* have to nuke KDE from my system completely to install the RH6-supplied 1.1.1 version. Moreover, the 'generic' kde 1.1.1 rpms would not install when I first tried them since the installer script checked the version and reported that it would only work on versions 5.2 and before.
Now I guess there's nothing to stop me (and I probably should, anyway) just grab the source and compile/install myself, but some of the convenience of using rpm packages is lost.
So, I'm thinking about switching to Gnome. If RedHat ticks me off enough, I may take a deep breath and switch to Debian, anyway.
Yup, read the FAQ.
They can increase the amount of data available to process by getting a second recorder.
>This has nothing to do with the "pain of littleton".
Maybe not, maybe so. I think that is a valid opinion that I agree with, but that WB does not. It's a judgement call. I would probably do the same if I were at WB.
The public's opinion on violence and its possible role in the school shootings seems to be in flux. Clinton is getting a 'study' together to explore the impact of violence in videogames, movies, TV, etc. If I were an exec at WB, I think I would find discretion the better part of valor in this case.
I don't think the reasoning would be that airing this episode could cause further school violence, I'm not sure anyone outside of the parents and their lawyers buy that. I am pretty sure that this is about not exposing their collective arse to the media and its pundits.
"On the next Geraldo... does TV violence like Buffy the Vampire-Slayer contribute to high-school masacre?"
No thank you, I'll tuck this little episode away for now and wait until this Littleton thing blows over a bit, take my chances with the upset fans. What?... Some kids are distributing it on the net? Oh well, at least they can't blame us since we didn't bradcast it in the US.
Just adds to the interest for when it does get eventually broadcast, eh?
>Which solution will be picked, and what happens when the competition wants to use something different?
I don't think this is the issue. I don't think the would-be competitive ISP's want a wire all the way to your house anymore than they do today with your phone line.
What appears to be at issue here is that the data/video cable service is bundled with the ISP service the way that local/long distance service used to be.
What I want as a consumer is to get broadband internet access speeds, but not be locked into a single internet service provider. Same way as today your choice of phone service and ISP are different. If I have Ameritech as my local phone company, I can use Ameritech.net as my ISP or I can choose a different one like Star-Net.
I want the same choice in my cable. Sure there are some technological hurdles as well as economic ones. This may or may not be feasible with the current technology/economics. I hope it is.
Right. You assume that the recipient (sp?) of pirated software would not have purchased a legit copy, so the maker is not out any $$.
This may be true for typical warez leeches who pull off hundreds of dollars of Mickeysoft office suite software and install it and sit back and think "gee, I just ripped bigtime" but wouldn't have ever bought a real copy because a) they can't aford it b) they don't need it. (oversimplification).
But what about Vietnam? They had like, what, over 90% pirated software? Something tells me that a) some of these ppl could afford a legal copy b) some of these ppl are using this software out of a real need c) they would likely have to buy a legit copy were it not for available pirated copies. (no?)
Granted, if this is mostly MS software and they are bitching because of lost billions of revenue, I have little sympathy.
And another post said something to the effect that creating and selling proprietary software is immoral so stealing immoraly created products is less of a crime than stealing a candy bar. OK.
I'm not so sure I go along with this reasoning. After all, right or wrong, the software industry is largely built on the premise of closed-source proprietary software products for sale for profit. I won't go as far to say that software piracy takes the food away from programmer's family's tables, but for sure there is *some* loss of revenue to companies that affects the employees that work hard to make a buck.
>.primarily forcing long-distance customers to have @Home service.
Huh? I thought the issue was that if you wanted high-speed cable internet access, you had to have @Home as your ISP - you can't pick AOL or Star-Net or others. Did I miss Something? I don't think LD service has anything to do with this, or did I miss something?
Yup, I'm kinda torn on this issue, but I hafta agree with your point.
On the one hand I kinda side with AT&T that they (through acquisition of TCI) have laid out the capital for the network, and they need to count on a forecast return on the investment in the form of ISP revenues in order to make that investment profitable. IOW: they plopped down some $11 billion or so and will continue to spend to invest in the network infrastructure, and this was all planned out with the assumption of $xxx billion revenue over the next decade or so.
Now if they have to sell network capacity to other ISP's at some FCC-mandated wholesale rate, their business plan kinda falls apart. A predictable response to this will be to reduce the capital investment so that the company's operating income doesn't nosedive and drag the stock down. This means you don't get a cable modem in your godforsaken town for another 5 years instead of next summer.
But that is kind of their own fault. They seem to be gambling on this closed access thing and will probably lose. I'm afraid this might mean that high-speed broadband cable internet access may not get rolled out to everyone as soon as it might if AT&T could count on the revenue they built their business plan on.
OTOH, the idea of not having any real choice in ISP because of this is not attractive (to say the least). You can let your imagination run wild at the prospect that once you are locked into @home and they do something you don't like (restricting access to certain services, charging you extra for multiple computers connected to the service in your home, etc), you have little recourse to do anything about it. You can't go to a competitor, they don't really have any reason to listen to your complaints because they know you won't go back to dialup.
But how to solve this dilemma so that high-speed access gets built out for everyone and yet no monopoly in broadband ISP service is created?
Umm, I dunno - I'd be in the telecommunications consulting business if I knew.... Wait! I *am* in that business!
So, let AT&T keep going with the assumption they will get the $40 a month per sub that they plan on now by having exclusive ISP business. But hold the card up your sleeve that eventually you will force them to open their network to competitors. Otherwise you can only regulate the piss out of them to keep them from gouging the customers and/or introducing unfair service agreement terms to monopoly-hostage customers.
(I know, but its kinda fun to think about doing it that way, isn't it?)
hmm, haven't tried viewing as AC, will try that next.
Yep, I'm seeing the reparented post twice. And if I reply to the reparented post, my below-threshold replay also shows.
Oh, theesa nosso goodah!
When replying to a reparented post (thresh = 2) the original thread has this 1 rated post supressed, but the reparented >=2 post shows my 1 rated post.
Just testing by replying to a reparented post that appears twice to see if my reply will follow both.
Way to go, Rob! Slash dot just keeps on getting more useful and flexible!
Railroads a better example?
Railroad company "A" owns and operates tracks through your city. Chemical company "B" own a toxic chemical car that happens to derail (fault of the car, not the railway?) and begin spilling its contents on Railroad "A"'s tracks right in the middle of your town. You contact Railroad "A" to come take care of the mess. They say that Chemical Company "B" owns the car and that they are not responsible for the structural integrity of the chemical car, only the proper operation of the railway as a thoroughfare (sp?).
10,000 people get sick and or die because of the spill and the railroad (and the chemical company) get hauled into court. The railroad is slapped with a $1 million judgement because they were notified of the hazard but did nothing because they felt they were not technically responsible for the problem.
Now, that analogy being full of holes as I'm sure someone will soon point out, it appears to me that this guy contacted the ISP since that was where he perceived the problem to be. I don't agree that the court should have sided against the ISP, but I can also see the point of view of this guy who saw some really bad comments being attributed to him, and made a call to where he thought the problem could best be fixed. (now the fact that this guy must be a real creep for so many people to give him reason to sue for defamation is another story.)
No(w) drivers for BeOS and other plaforms will spring up soon.
:-) Linux is not the only non-Win32 platform to get support.
Actually, go to the page and you will be pleasantly surprised.
No servers? How can they stop you?
By blocking the incoming ports of those services you would run on your server (80, 21, etc). My cable service has the same restriction, and they do enforce it (tho there's no way to enforce the single machine rule, they just would rather sell their own product to provide this, which of course only runs on Windows).
Of course, a way to get around that is to use non-standard port numbers. Except that if they find out you have violated terms of service they can kick you off.
I tried to run a Quake server on my connection but they had incoming 27910 traffic blocked. I switched to 27911 and it worked for two weeks until they blocked that, After I switched to 27912, they blocked it again two weeks later and sent me a nasty note saying they would cut my service if I kept this up.
I had a different experience with RH support. I upgraded several boxes with the RH6 boxed set distribution, and ran into trouble with only one, which happened to have 3c905b NIC. After checking the newsgroups and trying a couple different things, I opened a support ticket.
I got an e-mail with the answer, within 24 hours, to get the latest Donald Becker driver source for that card as it was not tested and shipped with RH6. I gave it a try and that fixed the problem I was having.
I saw the next day that this was posted in the knowledge base.
I suspect he understands that perfectly, he *is* somewhat of a genius. ;-)
I don't think that this was a statement of discovery, Carmack seems to always be very open and honest in his communications (see the self-depricating (sp?) passage about a mis-assumption he made for 3 years). The way I read this is he is more expressing his delight at having *experienced* the magic of open source.
The *really* neat thing about this is that all the 3D-gamers who follow Carmack like some messiah will read this and maybe understand a little about what the whole linux/open-source concept it about.
Cheers, John -- we lub ya!
How are these votes any less valid because they all happened in a short time? Let the MAC, Win and console players post the link on their fan sites and go vote.
:-)
This isn't like the hank-the-angry-drunken-dwarf farce from people magazine's poll. There people were making a point that web popularity polls for 'beautiful people' was subject to ridicule by the large majority of net users.
Here we have a legit poll on the potential audience for games developed for specific platforms. I hope they recognize that linux users are a valuable segment, regardless of the time interval in which we cast our votes.
If nothing else, they must recognize the capability we have to somewhat organize ourselves and make our collective presence known. This in itself can be valuable market research data which they can incorporate into whatever strategy develops from this poll.
Heh, and now 69%
Wonder if it'll be taken seriously tho.
Well, reading the article, I think what is being recognized is the net-wide collaborative development of linux. I'm entirely unsure of the origins of mosaic, but wasn't it a university project? (Maybe UofI?)
.net connection tho. I know you could download it as shareware, but it was created by a small group of developers in texas (id Software), not by people on the net (i think?).
So sure, mosaic is synonymous (sp?) with the www, and has no doubt made immeasurable contribution to society. The way I read this though, the real accomplishment being recognized is the building of linux by so many hands linked only by usenet, mailing lists and e-mail.
Doom is a great game, don't get me wrong. I'm not sure I get the
I'm using an alton 747 bx board that has AT and ATX power connectors and also has a hardware jumper to disable ATX power functions. I ended up with this setup just by coincidence after I had done some upgrades and had enough spare parts for another server (except cpu). I have and old 386 tower sitting around so I got an AT-slim ps from pc power and cooling and then got a p2-450 to put on the board. Since the board accepts an AT powersupply, there is no danger of it powering down through some ATX function.
R2 was in the x-wing with luke coming from dagobah, ummm-K?
Yeah, mine doesn't crash, but it doesn't work right.
I first saw this yesterday and viewed it in nav 4.5 running on my win 95 (ugh) desktop at work. It was pretty funny.
Then when I got home I tried to load it up to show it to my wife on nav 4.6 running under Linux. It didn't explode but it was all skewed and jumpy. Very dissapointing.
Netscape, get your act together, please.
Um, so howcome in episode 4-6 the 'force' is not explained to luke in terms of micro-organisms? Did Obi-Wan and Yoda just forget to mention this to luke? Or, more likely it seems, the whole micro-organism thing is a red herring?
Because if you were able to diagnose the 'force' down to some microbe, could you not then artifically control it in a person? (beef them up, vaccinate against them?)
Hmm..
...and Linux version of Quake 3 came out _before_ the windows version (well, the test did anyway, and it runs and looks a helluva lot better on Linux than Win32 on the same box!)
The Linux version will ship the same time sa the winblows version (my local EB better have one waiting for me the day it is released!)
Are you sure you're not thinking of tnt2 drivers for linux? I remember that one a couple weeks ago on ./ but not anyting on voodoo3.
>since GNU already has the respect of its users / peers, who are they trying to get here with all this incessent cheerleading?
Everybody else?
I'm more or less a semi-informed bystander here, I don't have a strong opinion here either way... here's what occurs to me from following this:
All the trade press is giving Linux lots of eyeball-time and it is starting to become a topic of discussion in many shops, including my own, as 'Linux'. (my poor braindead mgmt sticks with NT, they 'dabble' in a little Solaris, Linux is not on the 'approved' list)
But "Linux" is at least on their radar. If FSF finished Hurd tomorrow and was able to get a GNU/Hurd distribution together, would outsiders like my management make the connection that this was a viable alternative to NT same as "Linux"?
So it seems to me that a possible reason for this is to make GNU part of this radar-blip, so that anytime someone outside of the Linux community talks/thinks/reads about it the TLA "GNU" is prominent. This makes it easier to later replace the 'linux' in GNU/Linux with something else and still retain the connotation that "Linux" alone now has?