>As an aside, does anyone have any recommendations for TNT or TNT2 based cards they have working under Linux, and if so, what issues (if any) did you have?
Sure do! I got a Diamond Viper 770 Ultra (TNT2) a couple weeks ago and it really shines. (running a Creative Labs V2 before and a Riva 128 before that). Linux support still has a way to go, but is shaping up nicely. I did just get the new Mesa/GLX stuff and the 3D is pretty slow (not really playable in q3 but ok for q2) but the 2d is very strong. (I like being able to finally drag and resize windows at 1024x768).
In windows the card performs exceptionally well in 3D and I hope this is a good indication of how it will fare once Linux support matures.
Well, I agree that 3dfx looks bad here in the eyes of open-source advocates, but the merit of their lawsuit will be decided by other factors. (std disclaimer, IANAL)
Like, what exactly is the licensing agreement with creative, what assets did creative allegedly misuse, what evidence is there to support this, and what damages is 3dfx likely to sustain as a result of the breach? (although I'm not sure if proof of damages is needed to prove breach of contract?)
Since most decent (current) games support either D3D or OGL, it seems safe to assume that only older games are "glide-only", no? Is the fear that little Johnnie will go and buy a Creative TNT2 instead of a Voodoo3 (I mean Banshee2;-) ) because of a handful of games he has for his voodoo1 that he doesn't even really play anymore? (oversimplification to make a point)
But on the other hand, if 3dfx has an iron-clad license and has source listings of Unified with their code in it, then shame on Creative for breaking their contract (and getting caught).
I may not like the idea of a company defending its proprietary API and closed source by going to court against a company I like that sells (IMO) a superior product, but that doesn't make 3dfx in the wrong. Just not likeable.
Now another issue entirely is what 3dfx hopes to gain from all this. Many in the gaming world have criticized 3dfx for resting on their laurels and not improving their product to support open standards and high-performance 32-bit rendering like, say... nVidia. Maybe this *is* just sour grapes and defending their turf, in which case, "BAD 3dfx, BAD". (another disclaimer: I own a Voodoo2 and two nVidia cards. The Riva 128 was only so so, but the TNT2 is _by far_ the coolest piece of hardware I have ever owned).
>maybe Seagate's current drives have 6 platters in them?
Duh, that's it, of course. ( 36 x 6 = 216 )
So that assumes the existing drive configurations with this new density. Seems more likely you'll see different configurations at smaller capacities, at least in the near-term. There seems like a natural barrier to this being competitive with 14-25 gig drives for individual users until something over 50 gig is needed on a wide basis (read: by your average 3d gamer, not your 3d graphics designers).
I wonder at what price/gig this new type of HD becomes practical for non-commercial applications, and an attractive and/or only alternative two 25+ gig drives?
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>That *is* immoral and misleading
Well that is a pretty strong opinion. But it is just an opinion. My opinion is that it is fine. It *is* legal. It might *seem* immoral and misleading to *you* but that does not mean that it *is*.
Cripes, you'd think they were altering the wording or something malicious. This is just the way things work in the world of businesses, investors and lawyers. If you need an excuse to dislike RedHat, surely there is something more glaring we can pick apart.
"you want your baby back... Kundalini wants his hand back!" *grin* I forgot how much I love that movie.:-)
I gueess the only realistic suggestion I've heard to rectify this would be to either just post a link to Slashdot itself, or make a disclaimer (that is, if they don't just remove the slashdot headlines altogether).
"We at RedHat are committed to providing the Linux community.. (blah, blah). However, because of regulatory restrictions imposed on us resulting from our recent IPO announcement, we must limit references on our website to articles which may contain substantive information about RedHat. For this reason, we have chosen to block certain Slashdot headline links from our page. Please excuse this inconvenience for the short time during which we must comply with ceratin Securities regulations."
But then, I'm sure they have competent lawyers either on staff or at Goldman who have given them specific directions on what to do. Even having a "disclaimer" like this may be construed (sp?) as restricted communication since it implies that additional information about RedHat and/or its IPO can be found at a certain place.
So go tell them that if that is your opinion. I don't see how that is 'clearly a distortion' of anything.
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> they should not be allowed to mirror a site which they have edited for content.
Hmm, not be allowed by whom?/. or the SEC? I think there may be a valid point that they should have an all-or-nothing policy, but what difference does it really make?
If people are interested in RedHat enough to visit their web site and see links to slashdot and then come here, isn't that a good thing? They are not allowed to make public statements regarding the IPO beyond the S-1 filing. This is obviously being extended to posting links on their web site.
So they are complying with the letter of the law, and still leaving the door open for people to find slashdot, where they will probably find the stories anyway and see something besides the Jack Bryer BullSh*t (tm) that might help them make an informed decision.
"..and I'd appreciate it if you'd ease up off my back about it.";-)
>Anyone else have a problem with Red Hat cutting Red Hat stories from their slashdot feed?
No, they are just following their obligations under the SEC, no self-promotion during the 'quiet period' between their filing of the IPO and the actual issue. Not issuing press releases or posting links to stories about themsleves on their website is standard procedure for any company who is about to tender an Initial Public Offering.
No, I think the only person who would have a problem with this is someone who is un-informed about matters in this area.;-)
I've re-read the press release a few times and don't see this number mentioned, only the density and "36 gigabytes on a single, two-sided disc or an equivalent of 25 Gbits/square inch, if applied to conventional drive technology".
Was this number derived by extrapolating current platter sizes and density? Someone questioned what we would ever do with 200+ gigs in a consumer device, but I wonder if the real potential of this might be to make smaller drives with very large capacity that might go into other devices besides multi-purpose home computers? Devices where even a half-height, 3.5" are too big (portable digital audio/video devices, little electronic dogs, etc?)
...I got a nice email from an editor over at Andover. Go back to the site and see the semi-disclaimer that is now posted at the top of the article. A link to this thread is also there. Not too shabby.
I also got an e-mail for an editor over there that expressed some of the sentiment of people over there. Here's a snippet:
"When you offer columnists total editorial freedom, sometimes they say things with which you don't agree. I happen to like Jack a lot. I wouldn't want to *be* him right now, but he's a big grown-up writer and long-time industry consultant who can take his lumps the same as you and I take ours.:)"
That kinda makes sense. Be interesting to see of old Jack-o has anything to say for himself, tho.
Apparently there a few/. readers over there and they are around 80% *nix.
That's a really good point. If there is little hope of a retraction/correction of this entire article, I bet at least andover.net would want to make a prominent disclaimer that RedHat DID NOT loose $130 million last year, seeing as how they have filed an IPO and everything. Nothing motivates 'journalistic integrity' like the possibility of legal trouble. :-)
Yes, the the whole thing is understandable. There are a few small problems that make it a little hard to read. No real problem for/.'ers, to be sure.
The point isn't to nit pick for the sake of nit picking, but there is valid (IMO) point in ensuring that a well-though out response like this one doesn't get notched down because it contains simple typos, and other errors.
Unfortunately, stuff like this *does* matter to (some of) the professional audience that might see this response. It would be unfortunate for the message not to ring-out loud and clear because of a little 'noise' in some word-smithing errors.
One of the FUD elements that keep coming out is that Linux is supported by a bunch of teen-age hacker doodz. Sending such a well-though-out response that could be more well-written could play into the hands of those who would demean us. That is the unfortunate reality.
and while you're at it, drop a line at the feedback page at andover.net. I'm sure they are interested in the accuracy and credibility of the reporting being published at their site.:-)
As always, polite, constructive criticizm will more likely be listened to than a bunch of hostile flamage (although, if you are inclined to do both...)
Well, I did too. I made sure to let them know that I was serious about buying a new camera (which I am) and I also gave them specifics about what I considered 'support':
"I will buy a new digital camera this year, and as I have switched my OS preference from Win32 to Linux in the last year, support for Linux will be one of (if not the most important) factors in my purchase decision.
Two things are most important:
1) Availability of interface specifications so that open-source developers can create software that interacts with Nikon digital cameras.
2) Availability of Nikon digital camera software for the Linux platform either included with the product or available for download from Nikon which is supported at the same level as software for other platforms (windows). It would be preferable but not required (by me) that this software be open-source.
Hmm, I've always had really good luck with buy.com - when they say an item is in-stock, it always is and ships the next day. UPS has a distrubution center at O'Hare and as I live in the Chicago 'burbs, and buy.com has a warehouse in streamwood, I usually get next-day delivery (at regular ground rates!).
Sometimes they ship an item out of a warehouse in California and then it takes about a week, but that is ok.
The only time I've ever had a 'problem' was when I ordered RH6 the day it was released and it didn't ship for 5 days and then UPS 'lost' it for another week. Other than that, I've ordered all kinds of stuff from monitors to ethernet cards and have always been pleased with the quick turn-around.
>I don't think that the same people who are interested in a beo. would really care how pretty the imac looks or how easy it is to use
Sure enough, but the man said the distribution _offers_ the clustering. I don't think it is the central feature of the distro.
The distro is released for PPC (G3 and iMac) - *that* is the central feature. The fact that it also offers beo clustering, which would obviously be relevant for G3, is a neat add-on. See the distinction?
Yes. The fact that they recognize it as a legit risk factor and then choose to disclose it on a SEC document shows that it is a _real_ issue in the halls of RedHat's offices. This is a Good Thing.
Exactly. Its good and all that they provide an incentive to ppl to do this in the form of team and individual statistics. But that should be icing. And c'mon, give em a break about the duplicates and "wasted" cycles. Assuming they get this corrected in the near future, this is kind of insignificant in that the project will likely run for years. This seems kind of a minor blip for the first few weeks of such a large undertaking.
I'm still running it on my 3 linux and 2 windows macines at home. If my machines are chewing the same data vs just shutting it off until they get it fixed, I feel like I'm at least giving them the room they need to play with it to get it right.
If/when it gets fixed, I am prepared to run this indefinately (sp?) and I could really care less if I get credit for every workunit processed, or if slashdot is the #1 team or if I have to process a few units twice.
People who are obsessed with getting credit for every unit processed or are cheating to have their team show up in the top ten or are pissed about redundant data being processed are, IMO, in posession of the wrong priority.
I feel that if you aren't in this to support the science experiment (regardless of its *initial* flaws), then you should probably be doing something else with your machines.
Having a statement that the Linux users are 'causing headaches' is a bad reflection on us and probably hurts the image of Linux quite a bit. Please stop it. If you are out to prove a point that the project is flawed and should be fixed, there have to be more constructive ways to go about this ( I would think).
But there are few details. Graeme Devine was also bombed, he gives a little more detail:
Mailbombs suck. They can cause delays and make it hard to find the meaningful emails from the noise. Please stop. I can't even read the language the email is in to know what it says!
Boy, that sure is right. My brother has a brand-spanking-new TNT2 that he runs under windows and he was complaining about how Q3Test didn't look/play quite as good as my Voodoo 2.
I dual-booted back to windows and installed the Win32 Q3 client and it does in fact look better and play smoother under Linux.
Now, when the GLX/Mesa stuff is finished for TNT2, I'll go grab one of those babies and _really_ ruin his day. 1024x768 at 32 bpp -- man I can't wait. (no, don't give me a lecture about Matrox, still not able to forgive them for the Millenium2):-p
Still can't quite convince the twerp to give Linux a shot though. I've offered to come over and install it for him and everything. Guess he's just too right-brained (graphics artist) to want to give it a shot. He doesn't see the point since all his graphics tools are win-based and he is happy to re-boot his PC 3 times a day. *sigh*
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Wow, I'm able to read a *lot* into this...
"The benefits of legacy removal Legacy removal has a number of important benefits for the industry:
Improved ease-of-use can stimulate user acceptance and market growth. Simplified designs can reduce manufacturing and support costs. Systems will become more reliable and deliver better performance. "
First off, notice the emphasis on the *industry* not the consumer.
Next, the ease-of-use and market growth: they want to dumb-down the architecture so it ends up as shrink-wrapped mass-consumer commodity instead of a better-more useful product, is the way I read this. It's all about market growth these days, isn't it? When you have a near-monopoly on the market, the only way to grow your revenue is to expand your market. Boy it sure looks to me like they just want to sell as many processors to the largest number of people with no regard for actual utility to a large segment of users?
Next, simplified designs reducing costs. This is how you maximize your profits, cut expenses. Again, a growth tactic. This makes your earnings announcements attractive to investors and your stock goes up.
Systems more reliable? Well, I would hope so, I guess.
What Intel plans to do isn't evil, its just what businesses do in this day and age of internet stock portfolios and e-trading. Its their right to make business decisions, good or bad. Looks this might be a direction that will make them lots of money, but make PC architecture (sp?) nearly useless for many of us.
So what is the impact? Are we going to be stuck with socket-7 architecture as the only alternative for a while?
No, I'm sorry... that has got to be one of the STUPIDEST product showcasings I have EVER seen!
Makretriod: "Ok, new color cases?! I've got it! We'll have the bunny people break-dancing with out new products so people will think they are really 'hip'!"
Would someone please just shoot me with a very large caliber handgun now please? (moderators, feel free to demote this post, I know it is garbage):-)
>even the ones who are really into gaming or whatever
My observation is that this is changing quite a bit, especially in the First Person Shooter (FPS) gaming community (Quake).
As a matter of fact, it was my 3D gaming that first got me interested in Linux. On these gaming news sites, there are constant mentions of this-game-ported-to-linux or this-linux-device-now-supported. id Software had gone a long way in supporting Linux and I think a lot of people are now more aware of it because of this.
I happen to run a game server in my house through my cable modem. When Q3Test came out, I started running a server on my linux box (linux version came out before win32). I was pleasantly surprised how many players came to my server everyday (at this point only the Mac and Linux clients were available, Win32 was a couple weeks off yet.) The majority of these guys were running Linux. Of course, once the horde of players got their hands on the Win32 client, all the 14-year-old pissants started showing up too. (sorry to generalize, but it often seems to be true).
Now I have a group of 'regulars' that play on my server all the time and quite a few are Linux users. I've even chatted with Windows users that are interested in Linux now _because_ of Quake and I've even exchanged e-mail with a couple who were looking for some info on how to get started.
Take a look at www.bluesnews.com or www.q3arena.com and see that Linux gets mentioned almost every day.
>All windows machines can have IP masq through WinGate.
You mean Sygate? Wingate is a proxy server (if that's what you're talking about.) Sygate lets you configure your client machines to a default 'gateway' without individual apps being 'proxy-aware'.
And if so, a 3rd-party add-on package, even at $80 shareware, is hardly support (as you point out). I think its fair to compare features that are in the Linux *kernel* with things that are in the Win32 *kernel*.
If you are talking about something else, I apologize. I wasn't aware of anything available in Windows to do masquerading. Been using Linux to do that for a while since I gave up on Windows cause it sucked and would'nt do what I wanted (run a decent firewall on my 486 to gateway the Linux and Win PC's in my house to my cable modem.) Oh, and port-forwarding to my quake server, can Windows do that too? Sygate couldn't handle any kind of inbound services at all.
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Good God, then you haven't hear the rumor about LDC bring discussed for the Anakin Skywalker role in the next SW episode. Gag me.
>As an aside, does anyone have any recommendations for TNT or TNT2 based cards they have working under Linux, and if so, what issues (if any) did you have?
Sure do! I got a Diamond Viper 770 Ultra (TNT2) a couple weeks ago and it really shines. (running a Creative Labs V2 before and a Riva 128 before that). Linux support still has a way to go, but is shaping up nicely. I did just get the new Mesa/GLX stuff and the 3D is pretty slow (not really playable in q3 but ok for q2) but the 2d is very strong. (I like being able to finally drag and resize windows at 1024x768).
In windows the card performs exceptionally well in 3D and I hope this is a good indication of how it will fare once Linux support matures.
Well, I agree that 3dfx looks bad here in the eyes of open-source advocates, but the merit of their lawsuit will be decided by other factors. (std disclaimer, IANAL)
;-) ) because of a handful of games he has for his voodoo1 that he doesn't even really play anymore? (oversimplification to make a point)
Like, what exactly is the licensing agreement with creative, what assets did creative allegedly misuse, what evidence is there to support this, and what damages is 3dfx likely to sustain as a result of the breach? (although I'm not sure if proof of damages is needed to prove breach of contract?)
Since most decent (current) games support either D3D or OGL, it seems safe to assume that only older games are "glide-only", no? Is the fear that little Johnnie will go and buy a Creative TNT2 instead of a Voodoo3 (I mean Banshee2
But on the other hand, if 3dfx has an iron-clad license and has source listings of Unified with their code in it, then shame on Creative for breaking their contract (and getting caught).
I may not like the idea of a company defending its proprietary API and closed source by going to court against a company I like that sells (IMO) a superior product, but that doesn't make 3dfx in the wrong. Just not likeable.
Now another issue entirely is what 3dfx hopes to gain from all this. Many in the gaming world have criticized 3dfx for resting on their laurels and not improving their product to support open standards and high-performance 32-bit rendering like, say... nVidia. Maybe this *is* just sour grapes and defending their turf, in which case, "BAD 3dfx, BAD". (another disclaimer: I own a Voodoo2 and two nVidia cards. The Riva 128 was only so so, but the TNT2 is _by far_ the coolest piece of hardware I have ever owned).
>maybe Seagate's current drives have 6 platters in them?
Duh, that's it, of course. ( 36 x 6 = 216 )
So that assumes the existing drive configurations with this new density. Seems more likely you'll see different configurations at smaller capacities, at least in the near-term. There seems like a natural barrier to this being competitive with 14-25 gig drives for individual users until something over 50 gig is needed on a wide basis (read: by your average 3d gamer, not your 3d graphics designers).
I wonder at what price/gig this new type of HD becomes practical for non-commercial applications, and an attractive and/or only alternative two 25+ gig drives?
>That *is* immoral and misleading
Well that is a pretty strong opinion. But it is just an opinion. My opinion is that it is fine. It *is* legal. It might *seem* immoral and misleading to *you* but that does not mean that it *is*.
Cripes, you'd think they were altering the wording or something malicious. This is just the way things work in the world of businesses, investors and lawyers. If you need an excuse to dislike RedHat, surely there is something more glaring we can pick apart.
"you want your baby back... Kundalini wants his hand back!" *grin* I forgot how much I love that movie. :-)
.. (blah, blah). However, because of regulatory restrictions imposed on us resulting from our recent IPO announcement, we must limit references on our website to articles which may contain substantive information about RedHat. For this reason, we have chosen to block certain Slashdot headline links from our page. Please excuse this inconvenience for the short time during which we must comply with ceratin Securities regulations."
I gueess the only realistic suggestion I've heard to rectify this would be to either just post a link to Slashdot itself, or make a disclaimer (that is, if they don't just remove the slashdot headlines altogether).
"We at RedHat are committed to providing the Linux community
But then, I'm sure they have competent lawyers either on staff or at Goldman who have given them specific directions on what to do. Even having a "disclaimer" like this may be construed (sp?) as restricted communication since it implies that additional information about RedHat and/or its IPO can be found at a certain place.
There's just no making some people happy.
So go tell them that if that is your opinion. I don't see how that is 'clearly a distortion' of anything.
> they should not be allowed to mirror a site which they have edited for content.
/. or the SEC? I think there may be a valid point that they should have an all-or-nothing policy, but what difference does it really make?
;-)
Hmm, not be allowed by whom?
If people are interested in RedHat enough to visit their web site and see links to slashdot and then come here, isn't that a good thing? They are not allowed to make public statements regarding the IPO beyond the S-1 filing. This is obviously being extended to posting links on their web site.
So they are complying with the letter of the law, and still leaving the door open for people to find slashdot, where they will probably find the stories anyway and see something besides the Jack Bryer BullSh*t (tm) that might help them make an informed decision.
"..and I'd appreciate it if you'd ease up off my back about it."
>Anyone else have a problem with Red Hat cutting Red Hat stories from their slashdot feed?
;-)
No, they are just following their obligations under the SEC, no self-promotion during the 'quiet period' between their filing of the IPO and the actual issue. Not issuing press releases or posting links to stories about themsleves on their website is standard procedure for any company who is about to tender an Initial Public Offering.
No, I think the only person who would have a problem with this is someone who is un-informed about matters in this area.
I've re-read the press release a few times and don't see this number mentioned, only the density and "36 gigabytes on a single, two-sided disc or an equivalent of 25 Gbits/square inch, if applied to conventional drive technology".
Was this number derived by extrapolating current platter sizes and density? Someone questioned what we would ever do with 200+ gigs in a consumer device, but I wonder if the real potential of this might be to make smaller drives with very large capacity that might go into other devices besides multi-purpose home computers? Devices where even a half-height, 3.5" are too big (portable digital audio/video devices, little electronic dogs, etc?)
...I got a nice email from an editor over at Andover. Go back to the site and see the semi-disclaimer that is now posted at the top of the article. A link to this thread is also there. Not too shabby.
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/. readers over there and they are around 80% *nix.
I also got an e-mail for an editor over there that expressed some of the sentiment of people over there. Here's a snippet:
"When you offer columnists total editorial freedom, sometimes they say things with which you don't agree. I happen to like Jack a lot. I wouldn't want to *be* him right now, but he's a big grown-up writer and long-time industry consultant who can take his lumps the same as you and I take ours.
That kinda makes sense. Be interesting to see of old Jack-o has anything to say for himself, tho.
Apparently there a few
That's a really good point. If there is little hope of a retraction/correction of this entire article, I bet at least andover.net would want to make a prominent disclaimer that RedHat DID NOT loose $130 million last year, seeing as how they have filed an IPO and everything. Nothing motivates 'journalistic integrity' like the possibility of legal trouble.
:-)
Here's a link to andover.net's feedback page
Be a good little slashdotter and go point out this little mis-deed!
Yes, the the whole thing is understandable. There are a few small problems that make it a little hard to read. No real problem for /.'ers, to be sure.
:-)
The point isn't to nit pick for the sake of nit picking, but there is valid (IMO) point in ensuring that a well-though out response like this one doesn't get notched down because it contains simple typos, and other errors.
Unfortunately, stuff like this *does* matter to (some of) the professional audience that might see this response. It would be unfortunate for the message not to ring-out loud and clear because of a little 'noise' in some word-smithing errors.
One of the FUD elements that keep coming out is that Linux is supported by a bunch of teen-age hacker doodz. Sending such a well-though-out response that could be more well-written could play into the hands of those who would demean us. That is the unfortunate reality.
(god I hope I didn't make any typo's in this)
and while you're at it, drop a line at the feedback page at andover.net. I'm sure they are interested in the accuracy and credibility of the reporting being published at their site. :-)
As always, polite, constructive criticizm will more likely be listened to than a bunch of hostile flamage (although, if you are inclined to do both...)
Well, I did too. I made sure to let them know that I was serious about buying a new camera (which I am) and I also gave them specifics about what I considered 'support':
"I will buy a new digital camera this year, and as I have switched my OS preference from Win32 to Linux in the last year, support for Linux will be one of (if not the most important) factors in my purchase decision.
Two things are most important:
1) Availability of interface specifications so that open-source developers can create software that interacts with Nikon digital cameras.
2) Availability of Nikon digital camera software for the Linux platform either included with the product or available for download from Nikon which is supported at the same level as software for other platforms (windows). It would be preferable but not required (by me) that this software be open-source.
Hmm, I've always had really good luck with buy.com - when they say an item is in-stock, it always is and ships the next day. UPS has a distrubution center at O'Hare and as I live in the Chicago 'burbs, and buy.com has a warehouse in streamwood, I usually get next-day delivery (at regular ground rates!).
Sometimes they ship an item out of a warehouse in California and then it takes about a week, but that is ok.
The only time I've ever had a 'problem' was when I ordered RH6 the day it was released and it didn't ship for 5 days and then UPS 'lost' it for another week. Other than that, I've ordered all kinds of stuff from monitors to ethernet cards and have always been pleased with the quick turn-around.
Now, if you order an item that is out-of-stock...
>I don't think that the same people who are interested in a beo. would really care how pretty the imac looks or how easy it is to use
Sure enough, but the man said the distribution _offers_ the clustering. I don't think it is the central feature of the distro.
The distro is released for PPC (G3 and iMac) - *that* is the central feature. The fact that it also offers beo clustering, which would obviously be relevant for G3, is a neat add-on. See the distinction?
Yes. The fact that they recognize it as a legit risk factor and then choose to disclose it on a SEC document shows that it is a _real_ issue in the halls of RedHat's offices. This is a Good Thing.
Exactly. Its good and all that they provide an incentive to ppl to do this in the form of team and individual statistics. But that should be icing. And c'mon, give em a break about the duplicates and "wasted" cycles. Assuming they get this corrected in the near future, this is kind of insignificant in that the project will likely run for years. This seems kind of a minor blip for the first few weeks of such a large undertaking.
I'm still running it on my 3 linux and 2 windows macines at home. If my machines are chewing the same data vs just shutting it off until they get it fixed, I feel like I'm at least giving them the room they need to play with it to get it right.
If/when it gets fixed, I am prepared to run this indefinately (sp?) and I could really care less if I get credit for every workunit processed, or if slashdot is the #1 team or if I have to process a few units twice.
People who are obsessed with getting credit for every unit processed or are cheating to have their team show up in the top ten or are pissed about redundant data being processed are, IMO, in posession of the wrong priority.
I feel that if you aren't in this to support the science experiment (regardless of its *initial* flaws), then you should probably be doing something else with your machines.
Having a statement that the Linux users are 'causing headaches' is a bad reflection on us and probably hurts the image of Linux quite a bit. Please stop it. If you are out to prove a point that the project is flawed and should be fixed, there have to be more constructive ways to go about this ( I would think).
This apparently happened on or before the 5th, as mentioned here:
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Graeme Devine was also bombed, he gives a little more detail:
Mailbombs suck. They can cause delays and make it hard to find the meaningful
emails from the noise. Please stop. I can't even read the language the email is
in to know what it says!
Boy, that sure is right. My brother has a brand-spanking-new TNT2 that he runs under windows and he was complaining about how Q3Test didn't look/play quite as good as my Voodoo 2.
:-p
I dual-booted back to windows and installed the Win32 Q3 client and it does in fact look better and play smoother under Linux.
Now, when the GLX/Mesa stuff is finished for TNT2, I'll go grab one of those babies and _really_ ruin his day. 1024x768 at 32 bpp -- man I can't wait. (no, don't give me a lecture about Matrox, still not able to forgive them for the Millenium2)
Still can't quite convince the twerp to give Linux a shot though. I've offered to come over and install it for him and everything. Guess he's just too right-brained (graphics artist) to want to give it a shot. He doesn't see the point since all his graphics tools are win-based and he is happy to re-boot his PC 3 times a day. *sigh*
Wow, I'm able to read a *lot* into this...
"The benefits of legacy removal
Legacy removal has a number of important benefits for the industry:
Improved ease-of-use can stimulate user acceptance and market growth.
Simplified designs can reduce manufacturing and support costs.
Systems will become more reliable and deliver better performance. "
First off, notice the emphasis on the *industry* not the consumer.
Next, the ease-of-use and market growth: they want to dumb-down the architecture so it ends up as shrink-wrapped mass-consumer commodity instead of a better-more useful product, is the way I read this. It's all about market growth these days, isn't it? When you have a near-monopoly on the market, the only way to grow your revenue is to expand your market. Boy it sure looks to me like they just want to sell as many processors to the largest number of people with no regard for actual utility to a large segment of users?
Next, simplified designs reducing costs. This is how you maximize your profits, cut expenses. Again, a growth tactic. This makes your earnings announcements attractive to investors and your stock goes up.
Systems more reliable? Well, I would hope so, I guess.
What Intel plans to do isn't evil, its just what businesses do in this day and age of internet stock portfolios and e-trading. Its their right to make business decisions, good or bad. Looks this might be a direction that will make them lots of money, but make PC architecture (sp?) nearly useless for many of us.
So what is the impact? Are we going to be stuck with socket-7 architecture as the only alternative for a while?
No, I'm sorry... that has got to be one of the STUPIDEST product showcasings I have EVER seen!
:-)
Makretriod: "Ok, new color cases?! I've got it! We'll have the bunny people break-dancing with out new products so people will think they are really 'hip'!"
Would someone please just shoot me with a very large caliber handgun now please? (moderators, feel free to demote this post, I know it is garbage)
>even the ones who are really into gaming or whatever
My observation is that this is changing quite a bit, especially in the First Person Shooter (FPS) gaming community (Quake).
As a matter of fact, it was my 3D gaming that first got me interested in Linux. On these gaming news sites, there are constant mentions of this-game-ported-to-linux or this-linux-device-now-supported. id Software had gone a long way in supporting Linux and I think a lot of people are now more aware of it because of this.
I happen to run a game server in my house through my cable modem. When Q3Test came out, I started running a server on my linux box (linux version came out before win32). I was pleasantly surprised how many players came to my server everyday (at this point only the Mac and Linux clients were available, Win32 was a couple weeks off yet.) The majority of these guys were running Linux. Of course, once the horde of players got their hands on the Win32 client, all the 14-year-old pissants started showing up too. (sorry to generalize, but it often seems to be true).
Now I have a group of 'regulars' that play on my server all the time and quite a few are Linux users. I've even chatted with Windows users that are interested in Linux now _because_ of Quake and I've even exchanged e-mail with a couple who were looking for some info on how to get started.
Take a look at www.bluesnews.com or www.q3arena.com and see that Linux gets mentioned almost every day.
>All windows machines can have IP masq through WinGate.
You mean Sygate? Wingate is a proxy server (if that's what you're talking about.) Sygate lets you configure your client machines to a default 'gateway' without individual apps being 'proxy-aware'.
And if so, a 3rd-party add-on package, even at $80 shareware, is hardly support (as you point out). I think its fair to compare features that are in the Linux *kernel* with things that are in the Win32 *kernel*.
If you are talking about something else, I apologize. I wasn't aware of anything available in Windows to do masquerading. Been using Linux to do that for a while since I gave up on Windows cause it sucked and would'nt do what I wanted (run a decent firewall on my 486 to gateway the Linux and Win PC's in my house to my cable modem.) Oh, and port-forwarding to my quake server, can Windows do that too? Sygate couldn't handle any kind of inbound services at all.