Boot magazine CD had linux on it quite a while back. I'm not sure what distro or version it was, but I do recall this, as it made quite an impression (before I ever even knew what linux was)
Yes, I am *extremely* ticked at the lack of 3d hardware support (not faulting Linux, rather the IHV's who should get off their A@@ and produce divers).
I have a nVidia RIVA 128 which works ok under Windoze (huh, what's that?) but it useless for playing Quake under Linux. I bought a Voodoo 2 when it became too much to bear not being able to play Quake in GL.
Now I want to buy one of these holy-sh1t new TNT2 cards that are coming out, but I hesitate because there is no history of Linux support from nVidia and the binary-only support promised smells bad. (release the specs, the open source community will write the drivers, nVidia!)
So, the distasteful option is to keep Winblows on my PC for a while longer since 3D game support is about the only thing that keeps me from wiping that sucker off my HD!:-/
Think the CPU helps most (at least from my experience).
I have a creative laps voodoo 2 12mb, Quake II is only marinally playable on PPro 200 w 64mb with this card. When I went to PII-300 w/80mb last year, I was able to get a good 35+ fps in Q2, when I swapped up to a 333 last month, it got a little better which leads me to think the V2 benefits from more CPU (which I think I've heard, too)
but I am in Chicago and I know from experience that the location can make a night/day difference.
I used to have TCI (sux big time), and M1 bought out the Cable Co operating in the burb I moved to. I get pretty much very good video service (comedy central and all my faves are in basic, I get 3HBO and a couple other premium channels bundled with my broadband package) and the cable modem is excellent, except for a couple weeks of spotty outages.
I was horrified when they announced last year they were going to swap chicago and a couple other markets for TCI markets, grr back to TCI.
Then AT&T bought TCI, I wasn't sure what to make of it. The deal is still going through so the M1 deal probably doesn't really affect me, but Comcast, AOL and MS vs AT&T buying them could make things interesting.
I can't even do the Star-Trek vulcan salute, doubt I'd be able to retrain myself to do anything that coordinated.:-)
"If thumbcode catches on, joggers may someday be able to answer their e-mail as they trot along, and pedestrians will be able to get in a few paragraphs of the great American novel as they wait for traffic lights to change. "
Oh puh-leez! If I saw someone answering e-mail while jogging I would be compelled to run them down. I respect individuals that work towards inventing truly useable portable information devices, but I think the realistic applications probably don't include typing while jogging (you are supposed to clear your mind and enjoy the runners high anyway, right?)
I don't really need a laptop right now, but I can afford one and I am willing to buy one of these as soon as they are available just to help validate the demand and support IBM for doing the Right Thing. (hmm, now how to explain this to the wife:-)
seems to me the whole "its eating into our profits because ppl can download music for free!" is just a smoke screen for the real motiviation, which is control over the music you hear/buy.
Think about it. The recording industry decides what bands will get recording contracts, have albums produced and thus control what the consumer can ultimately hear and/or buy.
MP3 changes all that. Any band with the means to record their own material and encode MP3 can distribure their music without having to kiss the collective ass of some record company.
If the music is good, it will be picked up and distributed on the net. This has to bug the crap out of music industry executives. It threatens to upset the whole order of the existing 'industry'.
Seems to me that protecting the economic interests of the recording artists themselves is not the real issue. I don't know about everyone else, but dl-ing mp3 files has never precluded my from buying a cd, but I have been turned-on to bands that would probably never get big recording contracts and lots of radio airplay.
God I love the net. It is changing the way things are, bit by bit.
"Microsoft was pleased but not surprised by Mindcraft's results concerning the excellent performance of Windows NT Server," said Ed Muth
Well *of course* they're not suprised! This phony crap is so transparent. Next time they should have NT edge out linux by an order of magnitude, not just double or triple, then they could say they were "pleasantly surprised".
Bunch of lying, cheating, conniving, manipulative turds. Makes me want to thow up.
Gateway drug... (excellent point!)
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I guess I don't know enought to disagree with the original thread, but my experience was that RedHat made an excellent first experience for me as a new user and now I'm moving to the 'hard stuff' (Debian).
Last November when I first considered Linux, I was *not* under the impression that RedHat == Linux, but I was impressed by the things I found when poking around. RedHat has made it fairly easy for me to "get my feet wet" with Linux, and after four months I am considering moving my server to Debian, althought I'll probably keep RH on my workstation for now.
I am convinced that editor's love to stick headlines over articles that don't accurately summarize the message of the article just to p*ss off the author. I think the effect that it gets extra readers to load it and scan the first paragraph or two is just gravy.
Or maybe that's as far as the editor got through the article before he/she decided on a headline.
When I saw the title of this article, I expected some scathing accusations of unethical practices or something. Did I read this wrong? The worst thing I saw was that someone was worried that a rehdat-specific certification is not as good as a distribution-neutral certification, right?
And then the comparison was that they were "borrowing a page from the enemy's playbook" by offering a certification program. Those bastards!;-)
C'mon - seems like the headline is a little overblown to get attention, no? Or maybe the conspiracy nuts see a deliberate plant by M$ to cause division in the Linux camp.
Do we really need this crap? The headline would be better as: RedHat certification critiqe - but that doesn't get as many hits as: RedHat is turning into another Microsoft, does it?
Well, GB is not the movie I would have picked to be the one to push me into finally buying a player, but I am tempted to do so just because I am finally encouraged that the format's potential may at last be realized.
And I though for sure I would hold out until SWx3 trilogy came out on DVD! Load it up with interviews and clips of making SW1-FM and I'm there!!!
I was afraid if I replied to this thread, I would be the only COBOL programmer! Made a lot of money 'fixing' all that y2k 'infected' COBOL source last year, the rates are double if you waited till this year. They'll go up even more if I have to come back next year and fix something some else missed.
Well, exactly. My mother-in-law also called me one night because she could not find the "any" key and so could not resume her word processing session!
Gee the browser has really become complex! Too bad it locks up on me at work when I try to cut/paste and it just goes bonkers when I try to open a.pdf that is over 1 meg and happens to reside on an ftp server rather than in front page.
Thank GOD I can go home at nite and use a REAL browser (nav) that isn't so complex it has to be integrated with the OS and then crash the whole thing when it bugs out because it is so complex!
Didn't I remember Netscape charging for Navigator until some other software "company" started giving out their browser for free?
Oh, wait, I forgot. The browser is now so complicated that it is indistinguishable [sp?] from the operating system and therefore we have to pay for it as part of the OS? Sheesh! (man I love that little 'go' button on IE5:p Yuk!)
...and see how 'easy' it is for some people. Yes, I thought RH5.2 was very easy to install. I had all supported hardware, read the book and had an easy time getting everything to work on the first machine I installed to.
The second was a different story because the motherboard had on-board video and sound that required some config-file editing and a download of xfree86 3.3.3.1 to get it working. Still, no big-deal but then I already had about a month of Linux under my belt and knew how to navigate the directories, mount DOS floppies and use the editor. If this had been my first install it would have been a bad time.
Not everybody has an easy time. There are a lot of things that could be made better to help the novice install Linux, sounds like Cladera is doing it. Hooraay for them!
I agree. But, to the 'unwashed masses' there is nothing more intimidating than a prompt and a blinking cursor. The user has to actually remember something instead of having lots of icons (pictures, my mother-in-law calls them) to jog their tiny memory into what it is they want to do.
This is kinda the same thing I saw with wordperfect that made novice users run to word. WP used to start with a totally blank screen, you had to know what keys to press to get the command menus. Word had/has lots of little taskbar icons to make it easy for you to find the actions.
Once you learned the shortcut-keys in WP, it was easy as hell to navigate, where word always seemed to not require/allow any learning beyond the point and click interface.
It is just that initial terror at the 'what do I do now?' point in the first few hours of applications that a GUI is more comfortable to the novice than the CLI.
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Boot magazine CD had linux on it quite a while back. I'm not sure what distro or version it was, but I do recall this, as it made quite an impression (before I ever even knew what linux was)
Yes, I am *extremely* ticked at the lack of 3d hardware support (not faulting Linux, rather the IHV's who should get off their A@@ and produce divers).
:-/
I have a nVidia RIVA 128 which works ok under Windoze (huh, what's that?) but it useless for playing Quake under Linux. I bought a Voodoo 2 when it became too much to bear not being able to play Quake in GL.
Now I want to buy one of these holy-sh1t new TNT2 cards that are coming out, but I hesitate because there is no history of Linux support from nVidia and the binary-only support promised smells bad. (release the specs, the open source community will write the drivers, nVidia!)
So, the distasteful option is to keep Winblows on my PC for a while longer since 3D game support is about the only thing that keeps me from wiping that sucker off my HD!
20+ odd Mb, took me about 20 minutes to download it with my cable modem! :-D
VERY Playable with a PII & V2
Think the CPU helps most (at least from my experience).
I have a creative laps voodoo 2 12mb, Quake II is only marinally playable on PPro 200 w 64mb with this card. When I went to PII-300 w/80mb last year, I was able to get a good 35+ fps in Q2, when I swapped up to a 333 last month, it got a little better which leads me to think the V2 benefits from more CPU (which I think I've heard, too)
but I am in Chicago and I know from experience that the location can make a night/day difference.
I used to have TCI (sux big time), and M1 bought out the Cable Co operating in the burb I moved to. I get pretty much very good video service (comedy central and all my faves are in basic, I get 3HBO and a couple other premium channels bundled with my broadband package) and the cable modem is excellent, except for a couple weeks of spotty outages.
I was horrified when they announced last year they were going to swap chicago and a couple other markets for TCI markets, grr back to TCI.
Then AT&T bought TCI, I wasn't sure what to make of it. The deal is still going through so the M1 deal probably doesn't really affect me, but Comcast, AOL and MS vs AT&T buying them could make things interesting.
I can't even do the Star-Trek vulcan salute, doubt I'd be able to retrain myself to do anything that coordinated. :-)
"If thumbcode catches on, joggers may someday be able to answer their e-mail as they trot along, and pedestrians will be able to get in a few paragraphs of the great American novel as they wait for traffic lights to change. "
Oh puh-leez! If I saw someone answering e-mail while jogging I would be compelled to run them down. I respect individuals that work towards inventing truly useable portable information devices, but I think the realistic applications probably don't include typing while jogging (you are supposed to clear your mind and enjoy the runners high anyway, right?)
Hmm.. if only she wasn't such a M$ drone. She won't know what to do with it. I love her dearly, but she doesn't see anything wrong with windows.
I don't really need a laptop right now, but I can afford one and I am willing to buy one of these as soon as they are available just to help validate the demand and support IBM for doing the Right Thing. (hmm, now how to explain this to the wife :-)
seems to me the whole "its eating into our profits because ppl can download music for free!" is just a smoke screen for the real motiviation, which is control over the music you hear/buy.
Think about it. The recording industry decides what bands will get recording contracts, have albums produced and thus control what the consumer can ultimately hear and/or buy.
MP3 changes all that. Any band with the means to record their own material and encode MP3 can distribure their music without having to kiss the collective ass of some record company.
If the music is good, it will be picked up and distributed on the net. This has to bug the crap out of music industry executives. It threatens to upset the whole order of the existing 'industry'.
Seems to me that protecting the economic interests of the recording artists themselves is not the real issue. I don't know about everyone else, but dl-ing mp3 files has never precluded my from buying a cd, but I have been turned-on to bands that would probably never get big recording contracts and lots of radio airplay.
God I love the net. It is changing the way things are, bit by bit.
This is almost funny:
"Microsoft was pleased but not surprised by Mindcraft's results concerning the excellent performance of Windows NT Server," said Ed Muth
Well *of course* they're not suprised! This phony crap is so transparent. Next time they should have NT edge out linux by an order of magnitude, not just double or triple, then they could say they were "pleasantly surprised".
Bunch of lying, cheating, conniving, manipulative turds. Makes me want to thow up.
I guess I don't know enought to disagree with the original thread, but my experience was that RedHat made an excellent first experience for me as a new user and now I'm moving to the 'hard stuff' (Debian).
Last November when I first considered Linux, I was *not* under the impression that RedHat == Linux, but I was impressed by the things I found when poking around. RedHat has made it fairly easy for me to "get my feet wet" with Linux, and after four months I am considering moving my server to Debian, althought I'll probably keep RH on my workstation for now.
Pardon me if I am ignorant on this issue, I though it was resolved because troll-tech was going to release a free version of Qt?
http://www.kde.org/kdeqtfoundation.html
I am convinced that editor's love to stick headlines over articles that don't accurately summarize the message of the article just to p*ss off the author. I think the effect that it gets extra readers to load it and scan the first paragraph or two is just gravy.
Or maybe that's as far as the editor got through the article before he/she decided on a headline.
God, I am getting sick of this!
yuk yuk, this is funny! (ok, useless post, but isn't this whole post kinda for recreation anyway?)
Well, proving once again there is no limit to the marketing exec's stupidity/banality, only his annual budget.
When I saw the title of this article, I expected some scathing accusations of unethical practices or something. Did I read this wrong? The worst thing I saw was that someone was worried that a rehdat-specific certification is not as good as a distribution-neutral certification, right?
;-)
And then the comparison was that they were "borrowing a page from the enemy's playbook" by offering a certification program. Those bastards!
C'mon - seems like the headline is a little overblown to get attention, no? Or maybe the conspiracy nuts see a deliberate plant by M$ to cause division in the Linux camp.
Do we really need this crap? The headline would be better as: RedHat certification critiqe - but that doesn't get as many hits as: RedHat is turning into another Microsoft, does it?
Well, GB is not the movie I would have picked to be the one to push me into finally buying a player, but I am tempted to do so just because I am finally encouraged that the format's potential may at last be realized.
And I though for sure I would hold out until SWx3 trilogy came out on DVD! Load it up with interviews and clips of making SW1-FM and I'm there!!!
I thought we stopped counting LOC in favor of Function Points a long time ago when measuring the size of a program, project or system?
That seems like it would equalize the language/style/bloat factors being argued here?
Oh, and I didn't 'write' any lines all last year, only changed ones that were already there (about 10,000)
I was afraid if I replied to this thread, I would be the only COBOL programmer! Made a lot of money 'fixing' all that y2k 'infected' COBOL source last year, the rates are double if you waited till this year. They'll go up even more if I have to come back next year and fix something some else missed.
Planning on retiring the year after that!
Well, exactly. My mother-in-law also called me one night because she could not find the "any" key and so could not resume her word processing session!
.pdf that is over 1 meg and happens to reside on an ftp server rather than in front page.
Gee the browser has really become complex! Too bad it locks up on me at work when I try to cut/paste and it just goes bonkers when I try to open a
Thank GOD I can go home at nite and use a REAL browser (nav) that isn't so complex it has to be integrated with the OS and then crash the whole thing when it bugs out because it is so complex!
*sigh*
Didn't I remember Netscape charging for Navigator until some other software "company" started giving out their browser for free?
:p Yuk!)
Oh, wait, I forgot. The browser is now so complicated that it is indistinguishable [sp?] from the operating system and therefore we have to pay for it as part of the OS? Sheesh! (man I love that little 'go' button on IE5
...and see how 'easy' it is for some people. Yes, I thought RH5.2 was very easy to install. I had all supported hardware, read the book and had an easy time getting everything to work on the first machine I installed to.
The second was a different story because the motherboard had on-board video and sound that required some config-file editing and a download of xfree86 3.3.3.1 to get it working. Still, no big-deal but then I already had about a month of Linux under my belt and knew how to navigate the directories, mount DOS floppies and use the editor. If this had been my first install it would have been a bad time.
Not everybody has an easy time. There are a lot of things that could be made better to help the novice install Linux, sounds like Cladera is doing it. Hooraay for them!
I agree. But, to the 'unwashed masses' there is nothing more intimidating than a prompt and a blinking cursor. The user has to actually remember something instead of having lots of icons (pictures, my mother-in-law calls them) to jog their tiny memory into what it is they want to do.
This is kinda the same thing I saw with wordperfect that made novice users run to word. WP used to start with a totally blank screen, you had to know what keys to press to get the command menus. Word had/has lots of little taskbar icons to make it easy for you to find the actions.
Once you learned the shortcut-keys in WP, it was easy as hell to navigate, where word always seemed to not require/allow any learning beyond the point and click interface.
It is just that initial terror at the 'what do I do now?' point in the first few hours of applications that a GUI is more comfortable to the novice than the CLI.
Just like AT&T is not American Telegraph and Telephone any more. AT&T just stands for AT&T.
Management consultants strike again! No one cares except for other CEO's and wall street analysts.