Open Source streaming server written in perl runs on Windows, Linux, Mac.
Small, low-power, low-noise device, so you can leave it always-on
I plan to put my own review up on my website. Mine is an early hand-soldered model, but they plan to move to mass-production which should bring the price down I would think.
If that's what you like, then you'll love Slackware 8.0, however it sounds like you'll never know since you're acting as if it hadn't changed in six years.
I got my figures off Bloomberg. Anyway, by your figures, Sun's P/E ratio is still lower, and you brought it up! I would think a glut of second hand Sun equipment would depress Sun's earnings (=> higher P/E not increase it). I'm not sure you have P/E straight. Anyway, I don't really care - see below.
You may be right that people are talking about how many copies of this and that are installed, however my original post refers to this statement :
With the release of OS X, Apple will literally be the largest Unix vendor on the planet.
Wriggle how you like, this statement is incorrect. I do know what you mean, but it's not what this statement says. Over and out.
So, Apple is about 7X more expensive relative to its earnings. I'm no expert, but this seems to imply to me that Sun's value could increase quite a bit more and would still look better value than Apple.
The "fair" valuation is arguable, but you really can't say Apple is bigger than Sun. Primarily what Sun sells is Unix systems and support. QED.
As for seats, many multi-million dollar Suns support hundreds of users, not that I think seats is any kind of valid metric.
Perhaps Apple has become the biggest "desktop unix" vendor. Fine. I'm very happy for them.
I agree with that to a degree, but if you get to take storage out of sun's revenues, where do you stop? RAM? network cards? Sun doesn't even charge for Unix on their small machines. Since both companies are comparable (systems, add-ons, operating system) a very broad comparison can be made on their financial fundamentals. Without wanting to minimise Apple in anyway, the suggestion they are the biggest unix vendor is pretty unsustainable.
It was announced this week that iPAQ will overtake the Palm very shortly
iPaq may eclipse palm in revenue (after all, it costs a lot more), not unit shipments, and is not even close in terms of installed base. Of course it may be revenue that counts to you - it depends on what you're looking for.
IMO Developer mindshare shouldn't necessarily swing to iPaq as fast as revenue has, since for a developer, Palm+Handspring looks just like one big market, cost of entry is lower, and the tools are good, and cheap (or free).
what do Microsoft's financials look like this quarter?
In this quarter, their stock is up but starting from their lowest level in three years (e.g. ~48 dollars on Jan 3rd 2001) the previous quarter. They are expected to miss their profit forecasts (which were already down).
I wonder how long it will be until places like VA Linux and Penguin Computers have dual-athlon rackmount servers and deskside workstations for sale?:-)
Good luck with VA Linux and AMD. As far as I can tell they are as intel-only as Dell. If you ask them publically about AMD you get tight-lipped "No Comment" comments.
Thus any scores over.61 and.72 respectively, indicate that the PowerPC is doing more per clock cycle than then PIII. If Motorola can ever get their act together (and that is not a certain), normal code on the PowerPC will run every bit as fast and faster than the x86 processor
This illustrates a common fallacy - if chip A does more work per cycle than chip B, then chip A is "better" and as soon as those "idiots" who make it get the clockspeeds up there it will perform better. This neglects the fact that B may do less work per cycle precisely because it is designed for extreme clock speeds, and in fact there are plenty of instance where the "speed demon" cpus (high clock speeds, simple instructions) outdo the brainiac chips (lower clock, beefier instructions). The reason Pentium 4 trounces any PowerPC is that it is designed to scale to 2GHz. Of course it does less work per clock, but overall it does more per second, and that is the more important metric.
I don't consider the GPL freedom, and it saddens me that so many people are misled by it. As mentioned on some previous topics, it really is a virus, trying to infect code it touches with its own license, and
I think that hurts the software community.
what a horrid slur. The GPL is deliberately applied to any software licensed under it by the authors. That's their choice. No infection occurs. If you don't want that for your software, choose a different license!
Knowledge of how bad torture used to be is pretty common. In britain at least it's common for a schooltrip to a castle to be shown the dungeon or the other ways they mutilated people ("These are the slits through which the defenders would pour hot molten lead on the attackers", "this is the spike they would mount heads on" etc). Maybe in the US we don't have any handy real mediaeval torture hanging about in public monuments - something should be done, education is suffering!
I dunno, I know I don't see the whole picture, if someone out there can rationalize regional hardware for me...
that's just it - without regional hardware you don't see the whole picture, in fact you can't see a picture at all - Japanese-TV format TVs don't work with US format VCRs etc (and vice versa), same with Playstations. Multi-format output capability would be lots of $$$$ or Yen (sorry, don't have a Yen symbol on my keyboard).
Bah yourself! This story _is_ very amusing. I don't give a damn about the methodology, it's not like this is Science, it's just a list of amusing things. They could publish a list of stupid things done by TV journalists, would you respond with "actually most tv journalists take their job very seriously blah blah"? Your last point "what is more interesting" misses the point. This article is not a survey of the whole internet, it's a post-mortem on some shuttered corners of it. If you want to know about current healthy businesses, just move on, nothing to see here!
Personally I know full well about the successful web businesses etc, so do a lot of people. The point is, this article was an amusing look at those _other_ guys, a lot of whom made a lot of fuss and bother and brought themselves to our attention back before they failed. I found it much more interesting than "Ebay still here, making money, so is Amazon. MSNBC check, AOL check.... zzzzzzzz".
Sure the hardware starts aT $995 and even looks like a nice bundle to someone like me who needs a SPARC for certain things, however the Forte C++ compiler starts at $1850 for an electronic download - thanks very much Sun! NOT!
ISC is trying to make money, yes, but it is a non-profit organization. They need the money to keep the global DNS system working. I assume you want that.
The most important port of an Open Source organization is that the Source is Open, which it is in this case. They are allowed to have private discussions just like anyone else, but anything substantive that is done to the code as a result of these discussions will be available just as soon as they've fixed certain critical nameservers.
If it weren't for this slashback this would be another slashdot hall of shame entry.
Someone would pay to be on this mailing list because anyone who runs a critical nameserver, or has customers that do so with their software will find it essential, no question. THAT is all.
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I plan to put my own review up on my website. Mine is an early hand-soldered model, but they plan to move to mass-production which should bring the price down I would think.
Cheers,
Chris Morgan
If that's what you like, then you'll love Slackware 8.0, however it sounds like you'll never know since you're acting as if it hadn't changed in six years.
I got my figures off Bloomberg. Anyway, by your figures, Sun's P/E ratio is still lower, and you brought it up! I would think a glut of second hand Sun equipment would depress Sun's earnings (=> higher P/E not increase it). I'm not sure you have P/E straight. Anyway, I don't really care - see below.
You may be right that people are talking about how many copies of this and that are installed, however my original post refers to this statement :
With the release of OS X, Apple will literally be the largest Unix vendor on the planet.
Wriggle how you like, this statement is incorrect. I do know what you mean, but it's not what this statement says. Over and out.
P/E :Price/Earnings ratio
Sun's current P/E 25.74
Apple's current P/E 182.69
So, Apple is about 7X more expensive relative to its earnings. I'm no expert, but this seems to imply to me that Sun's value could increase quite a bit more and would still look better value than Apple.
The "fair" valuation is arguable, but you really can't say Apple is bigger than Sun. Primarily what Sun sells is Unix systems and support. QED.
As for seats, many multi-million dollar Suns support hundreds of users, not that I think seats is any kind of valid metric.
Perhaps Apple has become the biggest "desktop unix" vendor. Fine. I'm very happy for them.
I agree with that to a degree, but if you get to take storage out of sun's revenues, where do you stop? RAM? network cards? Sun doesn't even charge for Unix on their small machines. Since both companies are comparable (systems, add-ons, operating system) a very broad comparison can be made on their financial fundamentals. Without wanting to minimise Apple in anyway, the suggestion they are the biggest unix vendor is pretty unsustainable.
Net sales for year ending 09/00 :
Sun : 15.7 billion
Apple : 7.9 billion
Net income, same timeframe:
Sun : 1.85 billion
Apple : 786 million
Current Market capitalisation
Sun : 47 billion
Apple : 8 billion
Chris Morgan
It was announced this week that iPAQ will overtake the Palm very shortly
iPaq may eclipse palm in revenue (after all, it costs a lot more), not unit shipments, and is not even close in terms of installed base. Of course it may be revenue that counts to you - it depends on what you're looking for.
IMO Developer mindshare shouldn't necessarily swing to iPaq as fast as revenue has, since for a developer, Palm+Handspring looks just like one big market, cost of entry is lower, and the tools are good, and cheap (or free).
what do Microsoft's financials look like this quarter?
In this quarter, their stock is up but starting from their lowest level in three years (e.g. ~48 dollars on Jan 3rd 2001) the previous quarter. They are expected to miss their profit forecasts (which were already down).
T O L K I E N.
I wonder how long it will be until places like VA Linux and Penguin Computers have dual-athlon rackmount servers and deskside workstations for sale? :-)
Good luck with VA Linux and AMD. As far as I can tell they are as intel-only as Dell. If you ask them publically about AMD you get tight-lipped "No Comment" comments.
Thus any scores over .61 and .72 respectively, indicate that the PowerPC is doing more per clock cycle than then PIII. If Motorola can ever get their act together (and that is not a certain), normal code on the PowerPC will run every bit as fast and faster than the x86 processor
This illustrates a common fallacy - if chip A does more work per cycle than chip B, then chip A is "better" and as soon as those "idiots" who make it get the clockspeeds up there it will perform better. This neglects the fact that B may do less work per cycle precisely because it is designed for extreme clock speeds, and in fact there are plenty of instance where the "speed demon" cpus (high clock speeds, simple instructions) outdo the brainiac chips (lower clock, beefier instructions). The reason Pentium 4 trounces any PowerPC is that it is designed to scale to 2GHz. Of course it does less work per clock, but overall it does more per second, and that is the more important metric.
I don't consider the GPL freedom, and it saddens me that so many people are misled by it. As mentioned on some previous topics, it really is a virus, trying to infect code it touches with its own license, and
I think that hurts the software community.
what a horrid slur. The GPL is deliberately applied to any software licensed under it by the authors. That's their choice. No infection occurs. If you don't want that for your software, choose a different license!
Knowledge of how bad torture used to be is pretty common. In britain at least it's common for a schooltrip to a castle to be shown the dungeon or the other ways they mutilated people ("These are the slits through which the defenders would pour hot molten lead on the attackers", "this is the spike they would mount heads on" etc). Maybe in the US we don't have any handy real mediaeval torture hanging about in public monuments - something should be done, education is suffering!
that's just it - without regional hardware you don't see the whole picture, in fact you can't see a picture at all - Japanese-TV format TVs don't work with US format VCRs etc (and vice versa), same with Playstations. Multi-format output capability would be lots of $$$$ or Yen (sorry, don't have a Yen symbol on my keyboard).
If all you want is to roam the streets all day talking to yourself, all you need is some magic mushroom tea. Why waste money?
Bah yourself! This story _is_ very amusing. I don't give a damn about the methodology, it's not like this is Science, it's just a list of amusing things. They could publish a list of stupid things done by TV journalists, would you respond with "actually most tv journalists take their job very seriously blah blah"? Your last point "what is more interesting" misses the point. This article is not a survey of the whole internet, it's a post-mortem on some shuttered corners of it. If you want to know about current healthy businesses, just move on, nothing to see here!
Personally I know full well about the successful web businesses etc, so do a lot of people. The point is, this article was an amusing look at those _other_ guys, a lot of whom made a lot of fuss and bother and brought themselves to our attention back before they failed. I found it much more interesting than "Ebay still here, making money, so is Amazon. MSNBC check, AOL check.... zzzzzzzz".
or could it, perhaps, be a page in the Portugal domain? Just a guess.
Sure the hardware starts aT $995 and even looks like a nice bundle to someone like me who needs a SPARC for certain things, however the Forte C++ compiler starts at $1850 for an electronic download - thanks very much Sun! NOT!
My NeXT Cube has 32MB system memory and 32MB video ram on the NeXT Dimension graphics board - nice and balanced!
Fine, yeah, I agree.
You have to admit though, Dell giving in and selling AMD machines would be a big story!
This part, however, goes too far:
This is why we have contacted Corenic.net, your domain registration provider, to cancel all service on the "openssh.com" domain.
Where is that bit? I can't find it. Thanks
That's very interesting, since I never heard of Dell selling Athlons before. Do you mean Pentium 4?
How about "SuSE layoffs less than 1% of planned Dell layoffs" - see this
Looks like the moderator missed my little joke!
ISC is trying to make money, yes, but it is a non-profit organization. They need the money to keep the global DNS system working. I assume you want that.
The most important port of an Open Source organization is that the Source is Open, which it is in this case. They are allowed to have private discussions just like anyone else, but anything substantive that is done to the code as a result of these discussions will be available just as soon as they've fixed certain critical nameservers.
If it weren't for this slashback this would be another slashdot hall of shame entry.
Someone would pay to be on this mailing list because anyone who runs a critical nameserver, or has customers that do so with their software will find it essential, no question. THAT is all.
Chris Morgan