The release of Star Wars. Thousands of people will have choose.
And you can't have both because we can't have are cake and not eat it.
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Why software will not standardize on KDE
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Yeah but Red Hat has majority of market share and is gonna confuse too many developers. I think that one these things will happen:
a) Developers will write in pure X b) Developers will write for both Gnome and KDE (the best solution IMHO) c) Developers will write in GTK only, a lot of developers have already done this.
I'm not an expert but these all seem likely. I don't think developers will leave out greater than 15% of potential users when developing software.
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Say "no" to flame-bait
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I hope I didn't spark this flame. I assure it was completely accidental. I just think GNOME looks better, which is the best first impression IMHO.
(must... not... defend... GNOME......)
And I think the "it's here!" argument is getting old. Guess what! So is GNOME!
(Dang it! I can't help it. I'm weak:(
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Who cares about RedHat?
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Do you think that once Linux gets the desktop, people will pay for charityware?
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I heard GNOME is standard
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The typical workstation (and server?) install will include GNOME and a graphical login I heard somewhere. Anyone know for sure? No more startx for newbies. And of course you can install KDE from the CD. But I feel that GNOME will give Linux a better first impression of Linux.
On another note, I feel that 1999 is the year Linux grasps for the desktop. I said grasps, as in close, but not quite. We still need to wait for all them wonderful GNOME (I don't follow KDE) applications to finish. Consider some day in the year 2000 D-Day, the day of World Domination!
I know their are probably a few of you who *buy* their CDs and I'm not talking cheapbytes either. Like I said, you are probably a minority. This is an unfair argument, I know, we really need a *POLL*.
Too many programmers using drugs. I don't like this. I'll tell you why...
My parents smoke... tobacco! I hate it. They can't stop. They *say* they want to. I don't think they have choice. If you use drugs, do you have a choice? Could you quit, lets say now for a week? a month? I ask this question several times so you can think this out. Contradict yourself. Question yourself. I leave this as an excercise for the reader (I love this phrase!).
I don't use vitamins. Why? Do I need it? I hope not. And I don't want to in the future. What if I do? What if in 15 years everyone uses Brain-O-Matic drugs. Makes you smarter. Everyone will use it to be more productive. Business will standardize on it. Do I want that? NO. And I'm not gonna start by taking a simple vitamin now. I'll tell you what I will take: banannas, tomatos, steak, eggs, fruits and vegetables.
Quite frankly, I don't want to be controlled. I like to control. Now look what you got yourself into.
He is not talking about hackers. He is talking about "contemporary" businesses. While hackers can code all they want in their spare time, "contemporary" businesses have to *pay* for software no one (or almost no one) will buy. Right now the reason Red Hat is making all this money is because people moving to Linux are unsure. They want the manual, they want the support. I am talking about desktops here, BTW. Now I ask, those of you already familar with your free OS, did you buy your last Linux CD, the one you are using now? A show of hands anyone? There are exceptions of course, and these are probably a minority. The only way to know for sure would be a *POLL*. Rob, *POLL*? A *POLL* on this would be interesting.
They decided to *change* some of the slashdot stories on their portal. They don't have this story or the Script-kiddie story and they replaced it with "The Little Things" on their portal. Gee, I wonder if it is a _conflict_of_interest_!
Can they do that?
Maybe Rob made some kind of arrangement with Redhat. At least I hope so.
I also agree with RMS. But I think that all software should be forced to document all file formats, external program interfaces, etc. Companies should not succeed because of success.
Believe it or not, MS is best with making BASIC. Lets see... C64 Basic, Applesoft BASIC, BASICA, GW-BASIC - all by microsoft. And I have used all of them.
Then I found out BASIC sucked. After I became enlightened by structured programming...
So now I am figureing out C, little at a time. At the same time messing with AUTOLisp at school.
NOTE: I have not had a single programming course.
It is impressive of what some REALLY hardcore Basicers have done with a language not designed for it. Like qbasic readers for.bmp and.gif images. Can anyone say PEEK and POKE? These are BASIC/assemby programs that are really messy.
VB sucks. I have used BASIC long enough to know this. People without ambition spend way too much time dragging about boxes and making animations with bmp files (or is this just me?).
It is this one thing that MS does do well. Or used to. VB really sucks. Just wanted to that again.
BASIC is a programming language. Perhaps one of the oldest still in common use (picking off bits of others along the way.)
I read up on this sometime in the past. Shortly after astronomers found the first extrasolar planet (Pegasus 51-b). I am pretty excited about the idea of extrasolar systems, thats the reason for my account name (You know you always wondered:)
Anyhow, AFAIK, they can't actually see the planets themselves. What happens, is that the star wobbles as the planets orbit it, kind of like with a binary star only to a lesser degree. Astronomers can see this with spectrascopes via the doppler effect (red and blue shifts in the spectrum). And with the calculated mass and revolution period of the orbiting objects they can figure out the distance, revolution period, number of bodies, etc.
Now, the planets observed (one way or another) all seem to be a) very massive; b) close to the star; and c) close to our sun. This is just because they are the easiest to be seen from our vantage. Bigger mass means more wobble. Close to star means more wobble. I don't see this as any difference to any theories. It is just easier to see the oddballs. But I am no expert so who am I to say?
Also, just because a planet has a greater mass than Jupiter doesn't mean it is a gas giant. Like I said they can't *see* the planets in any sense of the word AFAIK. It could be a really massive rocky planet. Besides, I wouldn't know how a planet can keep it's atmosphere so close to the sun. It would probably be blown away by solar winds (I am probably WAY off here). Look at Mercury which has an extremely thin atmosphere.
I am no expert so I don't claim anything I said as true it just a summary of what I read some time back. Please correct me.
Also, any place that keeps track of extrasolar planetary systems? That would make a nifty slashbox!
Statisticly, 0.15% of all people have IQs over 3 standard deviations of the mean. Thats probably up there with rocket scientists, RMS, and psychos. And don't think slashdotters are in that league. Maybe one standard deviation (16%). That sounds better.
Yes, the one-all do-all operating system that is worth it's disk space in gold. At least that's the way a lot of slashdotters feel. And one courages soul dare to speak good of the other OS, and a lot of squabbling occurs.
FOOLS. The masses say. ALL FOOLS. Microsoft is evil. Those that use it are morons. ALL morons! 90% of all computer users are morons!
This is hardly rational. The truth is Windows is good enough to a degree that 90% of computer users (some who are, dare I say it, savy) use it, or even, trust it. I know that popularity is not a criteria for OS of choice, not even on slashdot. I remember another small OS that had the same stumbling blocks getting into the open.
I agree with the sentiments of the original poster. Windows deserves credit for what it does well. Doesn't everyone. Do not block an open mind. If you want flame-bait, I'll give you flame-bait! You want a balanced opinion from someone who has USED the software, read the poster. You want bickering, read slashdot. Now there's flamebait.
Some of you didn't want ESR to send his open letter. But a few short quotes from ESR show that the author read the open letter. How much do you want to bet that the author wouldn't have been nearly as skeptical if he hadn't read the open letter.
"that empty demonstrations and half-measures won't do"
Your arguments are true for any group of individuals. Presedents, Kings, Ambasadors, etc. Anytime focus is needed a representative is needed also to get things done. Our community can get a whole lot more done with its support than with its betrayal. And being ESR, he has enough respect from the community to make such a letter. Note, he also has a number of other respected individuals in the community sigs on the letter. And he is pres of the OSI. It is his call.
Focus. A single focused individual can do more than a group of opposing and intermittent people. This is not a democracy. If it was, the same things would be said. The same misjudgments, the same bickering, and the same confusion. Furthermore, the opensource community would enter an area it doesn't want to be in: politics.
The best way to get through to MS other than the open letter, would be a massive e-mail writing campain. But then you get a number of Dear Mega$oft: letters from people who don't know how to write respectfully enough, even to get Microsoft to do such a big thing such as open up the source.
One other thing. ESR is smart. He knows Microsoft would never open up the source to such an extent. It is just ploy to deter Microsoft from openning their source halfway and propietary and getting positive press for it. I can see it now, ZDNet: Microsoft goes GPL! Linux bottoms out.
It makes me wonder what next, if anything, ESR has planned. Let's say MS does open some of their source. The press goes wild. But somewhere in each of the numerous articles is a quote from ESR: "The Open source Institute warned Microsoft about a halfway effort on their part. Developers have no use for such a weak Open Source initiative. Linux is the best alternetive for Developers" or something thereof. Of course ESR is a better speaking than I am and could find something more modivating to say.
You are quite justified in asking me, "So, you trust him that much?" Yes. And so should everyone else. Not because he represents the community but because he is the closest thing we got.
I did my homework before posting:) I have been *trying* to follow HURD with some interest. It just seems as if nothing has been updated on the Web Page since 1997. This led me to believe they stopped somehow. For those of you who follow the mailing-lists, how far are they past the 0.2 release?
Slashdot Mirror
And you can't have both because we can't have are cake and not eat it.
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a) Developers will write in pure X
b) Developers will write for both Gnome and KDE (the best solution IMHO)
c) Developers will write in GTK only, a lot of developers have already done this.
I'm not an expert but these all seem likely. I don't think developers will leave out greater than 15% of potential users when developing software.
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(must... not... defend... GNOME......)
And I think the "it's here!" argument is getting old. Guess what! So is GNOME!
(Dang it! I can't help it. I'm weak
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On another note, I feel that 1999 is the year Linux grasps for the desktop. I said grasps, as in close, but not quite. We still need to wait for all them wonderful GNOME (I don't follow KDE) applications to finish. Consider some day in the year 2000 D-Day, the day of World Domination!
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(cough) (cough) *POLL* Rob? (cough)
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My parents smoke... tobacco! I hate it. They can't stop. They *say* they want to. I don't think they have choice. If you use drugs, do you have a choice? Could you quit, lets say now for a week? a month? I ask this question several times so you can think this out. Contradict yourself. Question yourself. I leave this as an excercise for the reader (I love this phrase!).
I don't use vitamins. Why? Do I need it? I hope not. And I don't want to in the future. What if I do? What if in 15 years everyone uses Brain-O-Matic drugs. Makes you smarter. Everyone will use it to be more productive. Business will standardize on it. Do I want that? NO. And I'm not gonna start by taking a simple vitamin now. I'll tell you what I will take: banannas, tomatos, steak, eggs, fruits and vegetables.
Quite frankly, I don't want to be controlled. I like to control. Now look what you got yourself into.
Drugs are bad.
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I still wanna know where "The Little Things" came from.
Sorry guys.
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Can they do that?
Maybe Rob made some kind of arrangement with Redhat. At least I hope so.
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-the best implementation of BASIC ever made.
Believe it or not, MS is best with making BASIC. Lets see... C64 Basic, Applesoft BASIC, BASICA, GW-BASIC - all by microsoft. And I have used all of them.
Then I found out BASIC sucked. After I became enlightened by structured programming...
So now I am figureing out C, little at a time. At the same time messing with AUTOLisp at school.
NOTE: I have not had a single programming course.
It is impressive of what some REALLY hardcore Basicers have done with a language not designed for it. Like qbasic readers for
VB sucks. I have used BASIC long enough to know this. People without ambition spend way too much time dragging about boxes and making animations with bmp files (or is this just me?).
It is this one thing that MS does do well. Or used to. VB really sucks. Just wanted to that again.
BASIC is a programming language. Perhaps one of the oldest still in common use (picking off bits of others along the way.)
Okay, you can flame me now.
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wts bd bout bng gky?
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Anyhow, AFAIK, they can't actually see the planets themselves. What happens, is that the star wobbles as the planets orbit it, kind of like with a binary star only to a lesser degree. Astronomers can see this with spectrascopes via the doppler effect (red and blue shifts in the spectrum). And with the calculated mass and revolution period of the orbiting objects they can figure out the distance, revolution period, number of bodies, etc.
Now, the planets observed (one way or another) all seem to be a) very massive; b) close to the star; and c) close to our sun. This is just because they are the easiest to be seen from our vantage. Bigger mass means more wobble. Close to star means more wobble. I don't see this as any difference to any theories. It is just easier to see the oddballs. But I am no expert so who am I to say?
Also, just because a planet has a greater mass than Jupiter doesn't mean it is a gas giant. Like I said they can't *see* the planets in any sense of the word AFAIK. It could be a really massive rocky planet. Besides, I wouldn't know how a planet can keep it's atmosphere so close to the sun. It would probably be blown away by solar winds (I am probably WAY off here). Look at Mercury which has an extremely thin atmosphere.
I am no expert so I don't claim anything I said as true it just a summary of what I read some time back. Please correct me.
Also, any place that keeps track of extrasolar planetary systems? That would make a nifty slashbox!
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And I don't know about lasers on my eyeball. I have a surge protector but I don't want to rely on it *that* much. I have bad enough vision right now.
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Yes, the one-all do-all operating system that is worth it's disk space in gold. At least that's the way a lot of slashdotters feel. And one courages soul dare to speak good of the other OS, and a lot of squabbling occurs.
FOOLS. The masses say. ALL FOOLS. Microsoft is evil. Those that use it are morons. ALL morons! 90% of all computer users are morons!
This is hardly rational. The truth is Windows is good enough to a degree that 90% of computer users (some who are, dare I say it, savy) use it, or even, trust it. I know that popularity is not a criteria for OS of choice, not even on slashdot. I remember another small OS that had the same stumbling blocks getting into the open.
I agree with the sentiments of the original poster. Windows deserves credit for what it does well. Doesn't everyone. Do not block an open mind. If you want flame-bait, I'll give you flame-bait! You want a balanced opinion from someone who has USED the software, read the poster. You want bickering, read slashdot. Now there's flamebait.
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"that empty demonstrations and half-measures won't do"
Oh! The press value!
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Focus. A single focused individual can do more than a group of opposing and intermittent people. This is not a democracy. If it was, the same things would be said. The same misjudgments, the same bickering, and the same confusion. Furthermore, the opensource community would enter an area it doesn't want to be in: politics.
The best way to get through to MS other than the open letter, would be a massive e-mail writing campain. But then you get a number of Dear Mega$oft: letters from people who don't know how to write respectfully enough, even to get Microsoft to do such a big thing such as open up the source.
One other thing. ESR is smart. He knows Microsoft would never open up the source to such an extent. It is just ploy to deter Microsoft from openning their source halfway and propietary and getting positive press for it. I can see it now, ZDNet: Microsoft goes GPL! Linux bottoms out.
It makes me wonder what next, if anything, ESR has planned. Let's say MS does open some of their source. The press goes wild. But somewhere in each of the numerous articles is a quote from ESR: "The Open source Institute warned Microsoft about a halfway effort on their part. Developers have no use for such a weak Open Source initiative. Linux is the best alternetive for Developers" or something thereof. Of course ESR is a better speaking than I am and could find something more modivating to say.
You are quite justified in asking me, "So, you trust him that much?" Yes. And so should everyone else. Not because he represents the community but because he is the closest thing we got.
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