Silent cries from distant places
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This is very much one small step for Linux, one large leap for open source. But those who don't use KDE may have thoughts like: Ah gee they're winning, or How much longer till all new apps require KDE?
I know these thoughts are immature. But I can read between the lines of some of these posts.
I, at least, are critical of these improvements. The problem is, ironically, they are too good. A personal problem for me, is that both KDE, Gnome, and several Window managers are doing things a standard way. The way it is done everywhere else. I converted to Linux for something different and don't want to see it evolve into... Windows (Yes, I know KDE and Gnome are beyond Windows, but the same similarities are there).
Also the performance issue. To run KDE apps, you have to have the KDE libs and qt installed. But for low-end computers, can things like themeing and OpenParts be turned off and not create a performance hit?
I will look forward to these changes. They will definetly increase Linux's appeal for the desktop. But I have a few things I wish. That apps are created and ported to each desktop (Kinda strange since Linux is suppose to be one platform. That peformance can be increased by turning things off. That something new comes along in the Linux GUI. And that we will never have a standard desktop.
Im thinking Caldera. They are aiming thier distribution for businesse and now newbies, who don't care about bias against Microsoft, who simply want a functional web browser. If MS can make a more functional browser on Linux, then kudos to them. But they will be under constant suspicion and won't be able to outdo mozilla on Linux, I don't think.
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I see what you mean. Even though I find them interesting I think there should be an option in the user preferences to keep them on, turn them off, or turn them on only for comments that have been moderated down. Also, some people may want to see only the description and not the score.
It also does math the same way Forth and (I think) Lisp does. Which is also the way computers do math at machine level. Basically, you put the numbers on the stack and type an operator to do math on them. Lets say you want to add 3 and 5. Type 3 then 5 and the stack looks like this.
5 3
Then type + and:
+ 5 3
The plus adds the 5 and the 3 and replaces them with the result:
8
(I was interested in Forth a while back so I read up on this stuff. It was pretty interesting.)
For desisions be made on the internet there needs to be unity. There are always difference of opinions on the internet. For people to control their own lives they must be united. And those who disagree must not speak. This is order.
But that is against free speech. If every agreement is spoken then every disagreement must be heard. Who has the right to announce the way it must go and force its way there. Who has the right to say you must not be heard. This is chaos.
As you can see, the primal forces of nature are at odds again. Order seeks direction. Chaos veers off in a direction of its own. There is no hope for either. We will forever be stuck in between in any free society.
With the latest releases of the major Distribution they come with a Desktop Enviroment by default. I think this is what gives Linux a good first impression. I am still waiting for the sirens to sound by the trade press that Linux is good for more than servers.
Im glade to see Linux in some non-computer publications. It shows that Linux is going places. Im happy again.
Its not just Linux vs Windows. Its FreeBSD, Linux, Hurd (whenever it comes out) and the other Open Source OSs against the Windows varients. While all of these are suppose to be general purpose OSs and are good for this, all of them have their strengths. FreeBSD excels as a stable server, Hurd will supposedly be good with high-end number crunching, and Linux has the hardware and application support for a desktop and workstation OS. MS can taught Linux's weakenesses all they want, the holes in Linux are plugged by other Free OSs.
This also brings up another point. Microsoft has divided up their market. NT for servers, 9x for desktops, CE for embedded. They have realized their mistake and are now trying to merge it again with Win2000 (though we know how successful that will be.) We are already there with Linux! We have Gnome, KDE, and other GUI's for home users. We have an awesome kernal and server software for servers. And work is being done on the embedded side. This, IMO, is Linux biggest advantage! In this, we are a step ahead.
GNU/* is cool. (Sorry for the GNU designation. I know this offends some people. It is just easier type:)
They made ORBit because the other free ORBs were either too slow or language dependent. Its in the FAQ.
I don't know the details of the different object models but neither does anyone else because Baboon isn't out yet so I wouldn't snap to some kind "knee-jerk" conclusion.
A desktop is a big project and I don't think settling for second best would be a good idea being that so many things depend on that part. There are no deadlines so they don't need to hurry to completion like propietary platforms do (or KDE*).
Okay. You've convinced me fellow slashdotter. The screenshots I've seen bear a strong resemblence IMHO. But I wasn't just speaking of looks, I speaking of functionality. I know they didn't get the Browser-and-Filemanager-in-one from the MacOS. But Microsoft isn't evil and I have to agree with those who think Web Integration with the Desktop is the natural evolution. I'll be keeping my eye on both Desktops and keeping an Open Mind.
I don't know why Slashdot hasn't caught this yet. The Gnome Workshop is official now. See The Gnome Workshop page to see the announcement.
(Man, I think the Gnome web pages are the best looking ones on the net.) Im looking forward to this. I see what KDE is doing and can't help but think Windows on Linux. Web Browser in the Filemanager and an integrated Office suit. Im just looking forward to a viable free office suit for gnome desktop.
Gnome had to do a lot more stuff "from scratch" and made its own implementation of Corba and rebuilt GTK. That, given that KDE also had a head start makes complete sense why things aren't as far in the Gnome camp.
Give Gnome some time and I think it will catch up. Justt don't bash Gnome for not getting as much done. Remember what happened last time Gnome tried to catch up with KDE, (version 1.00?).
I installed RH 6 from scratch and it does screw up once in a while. So its not your system.
I look forward to the GTK window manager. One that uses the GTK themes would make Gnome more consistent and would avoid the WM/Desktop duality problem (e.g. two sets of root menus).
Dream Weavers or something. He talked about hypertext systems in it and I didn't even recognize it as html until recently. Oh yeah, it had a picture of a naked chick in it. And it is in my high school library.
I tire very quickly of K-this and G-that. We don't need two of every application just so it can go with our desktop enviroment. Thats the kind of crap that happens in propietary software. But I guess that is the way it goes with competing desktops. Sure, choice is good, but this is really hurting that World-Domination thing.
I mean seriously. Modern Operating Systems have things like multitasking, protected memory, and shared code so that you may run different programs at the same time. Now we need an OS for each app, and something like VMWare to mend wounds to the whole operating SYSTEM concept.
I like choice as much as the rest, but the purist in me says one OS per machine. Or else the benefits of a modern OS are lost.
I know it wasn't intended and I'm not gonna make a big deal about it. But us younger folks know who Dante, Asimov, and the like are. Just because we are younger doesn't mean we don't read.
I hear all you and see parellels with my own high school. I see the comformist atmosphere haunting my school. The jocks are the heros. The cheerleaders are the sweet hearts. And everyone else are friends with them.
My problem is that it is hard to find other people with the same interests as I. And even if they do, I think they wouldn't want anyone to know. There are those who are too vocal on who doesn't belong.
I have a disadvantage. I used to be hyperactive until recently. And believe me, it is hard to make friends when you act like a loony. And at times, it sputters out of me without control. And I slur every now and then.
I also have quite a few advantages as well. I am mature, or at least I think I am. I try to deal with things in a rational manner. I am also somewhat intelligent. I don't make straight A's by any means, but I am good in Math. I have a very slow temper. That is very helpful with peer-abuse. But when my limit is reached, I explode. But it happens SELDOM.
All in all, high school isn't too bad when you treat it in an open way. I am a natural optimist, so your mileage may vary.
I'm 16. I don't have a car (too poor) and don't have a girlfriend (not important to me). That makes me an outcast right off the bat. Some of the jocks and others are nice to me, and I am nice back. I don't hang with them. I usually keep to myself or with a few select friends of mine.
I can overlook the numerous oversightes for the moment.
Linux is irrelevent to 90% of computer users right now. Taking the effort put into porting applications and emulation into the Windows counterparts would benefit far more people.
At least for the short term
The clear fundamental oversight by the author is choice. Making several of anything is always a waste of effort that can be put into one. Think of all the marketing dollars wasted on Pepsi. Why do we fight wars when we can be all one country? Do we really need more than one Operating System?
Yes. People like choice. If I didn't like Windows and asked for something different, I don't want to hear "Well everyone else uses Windows. Do we really need *two* operating systems?" Each to their own, right?
He is a smart man. His reasoning is mostly sound. His comments are practical. But there is one flaw: It is against the rules of human nature. And that is what makes the World go around (well, excluding momentum, of course).
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I know these thoughts are immature. But I can read between the lines of some of these posts.
I, at least, are critical of these improvements. The problem is, ironically, they are too good. A personal problem for me, is that both KDE, Gnome, and several Window managers are doing things a standard way. The way it is done everywhere else. I converted to Linux for something different and don't want to see it evolve into... Windows (Yes, I know KDE and Gnome are beyond Windows, but the same similarities are there).
Also the performance issue. To run KDE apps, you have to have the KDE libs and qt installed. But for low-end computers, can things like themeing and OpenParts be turned off and not create a performance hit?
I will look forward to these changes. They will definetly increase Linux's appeal for the desktop. But I have a few things I wish. That apps are created and ported to each desktop (Kinda strange since Linux is suppose to be one platform. That peformance can be increased by turning things off. That something new comes along in the Linux GUI. And that we will never have a standard desktop.
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5
3
Then type + and:
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5
3
The plus adds the 5 and the 3 and replaces them with the result:
8
(I was interested in Forth a while back so I read up on this stuff. It was pretty interesting.)
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But that is against free speech. If every agreement is spoken then every disagreement must be heard. Who has the right to announce the way it must go and force its way there. Who has the right to say you must not be heard. This is chaos.
As you can see, the primal forces of nature are at odds again. Order seeks direction. Chaos veers off in a direction of its own. There is no hope for either. We will forever be stuck in between in any free society.
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Im glade to see Linux in some non-computer publications. It shows that Linux is going places. Im happy again.
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This also brings up another point. Microsoft has divided up their market. NT for servers, 9x for desktops, CE for embedded. They have realized their mistake and are now trying to merge it again with Win2000 (though we know how successful that will be.) We are already there with Linux! We have Gnome, KDE, and other GUI's for home users. We have an awesome kernal and server software for servers. And work is being done on the embedded side. This, IMO, is Linux biggest advantage! In this, we are a step ahead.
GNU/* is cool. (Sorry for the GNU designation. I know this offends some people. It is just easier type
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I don't know the details of the different object models but neither does anyone else because Baboon isn't out yet so I wouldn't snap to some kind "knee-jerk" conclusion.
A desktop is a big project and I don't think settling for second best would be a good idea being that so many things depend on that part. There are no deadlines so they don't need to hurry to completion like propietary platforms do (or KDE*).
* Sorry for the cheapshot. Couldn't resist.
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(Man, I think the Gnome web pages are the best looking ones on the net.) Im looking forward to this. I see what KDE is doing and can't help but think Windows on Linux. Web Browser in the Filemanager and an integrated Office suit. Im just looking forward to a viable free office suit for gnome desktop.
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Give Gnome some time and I think it will catch up. Justt don't bash Gnome for not getting as much done. Remember what happened last time Gnome tried to catch up with KDE, (version 1.00?).
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I look forward to the GTK window manager. One that uses the GTK themes would make Gnome more consistent and would avoid the WM/Desktop duality problem (e.g. two sets of root menus).
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I like choice as much as the rest, but the purist in me says one OS per machine. Or else the benefits of a modern OS are lost.
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My problem is that it is hard to find other people with the same interests as I. And even if they do, I think they wouldn't want anyone to know. There are those who are too vocal on who doesn't belong.
I have a disadvantage. I used to be hyperactive until recently. And believe me, it is hard to make friends when you act like a loony. And at times, it sputters out of me without control. And I slur every now and then.
I also have quite a few advantages as well. I am mature, or at least I think I am. I try to deal with things in a rational manner. I am also somewhat intelligent. I don't make straight A's by any means, but I am good in Math. I have a very slow temper. That is very helpful with peer-abuse. But when my limit is reached, I explode. But it happens SELDOM.
All in all, high school isn't too bad when you treat it in an open way. I am a natural optimist, so your mileage may vary.
I'm 16. I don't have a car (too poor) and don't have a girlfriend (not important to me). That makes me an outcast right off the bat. Some of the jocks and others are nice to me, and I am nice back. I don't hang with them. I usually keep to myself or with a few select friends of mine.
But high school is in no way easy.
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Linux is irrelevent to 90% of computer users right now. Taking the effort put into porting applications and emulation into the Windows counterparts would benefit far more people.
At least for the short term
The clear fundamental oversight by the author is choice. Making several of anything is always a waste of effort that can be put into one. Think of all the marketing dollars wasted on Pepsi. Why do we fight wars when we can be all one country? Do we really need more than one Operating System?
Yes. People like choice. If I didn't like Windows and asked for something different, I don't want to hear "Well everyone else uses Windows. Do we really need *two* operating systems?" Each to their own, right?
He is a smart man. His reasoning is mostly sound. His comments are practical. But there is one flaw: It is against the rules of human nature. And that is what makes the World go around (well, excluding momentum, of course).
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