Intellectual property was invented for that reason, to create artificial scarcity. There is no compelling reason for that state to remain permanent for a given work, which is what the original poster is advocating.
If he thinks he has ownership rights to every idea he ever had, I claim an eqivalent right to copy every idea he ever had. Without resorting to violence, which position do you think is going to win?
IP is a tradeoff. It creates an unnatural ecomonic condition in order to reward the creation of new IP. But once the creator is compensated, there is no reason to keep the artificial limits on reproduction. It is cheaper for everyone involved, because the alternative is to be nickeled and dimed by every half-wit with a long dead anscestor who created something you find valuable.
It probably wouldn't be that hard to implement a plug-in replacement library based on DeCSS. It wouldn't be "legal" in eyes of the MPAA's lawyers, but there's not much they can do to stop it, aside from stomping on people brave/foolish enough to mirror it openly.
So, does raving like a lunatic about hypothetical raving lunatics have the desired effect?
Maybe it's just the effect of ranking posts by karma, but I don't see very much of the posts you describe. What I do see are people writing tirades against a straw man "linux zealot" in order to get their posts ranked higher.
And invariably, they do. It seems a lot of moderators can't distinguish legitimate contrarian viewpoints from opportunists and trolls who use the pschology of the "silenced minority opinion" to get their rantings heard.
BTW, I'm sure this will increase my karma, because I use fancy words and re-enforce the majority opinion.:P
Where the work comes from has nothing to do with it. Physical property is scarce. Intellectual property is infinately reproducable and ownership is subjective (In other words, you make a painting, and I paint an imitation it, who owns my imitation?)
The idea of the "ruling elite" is exactly what the dimwits in North Carolina are thinking. They think that a fascist mini-police state in schools is the answer. There is no such thing as a benign dictatorship, because control-freaks *always* want more power.
The public does know better. If you don't think they are capable of voting, then they're aren't really capable consumers either. Do you favor a command economy as well?
you can always use the anonymous nature of the service to destroy it. Turn in your teachers, turn in your homecoming queen, turn in the star quarterback. Turn in every kid who ever threatened you, or ever threatened anyone else.
If you're feeling really cocky and have nothing to hide, turn in yourself, and calmly explain to any media that will listen to you about how your rights are being violated by a bunch of fascist rent-a-cops.
They can't investigate everything and still make a profit. They can't maintain their credibility when they investigate popular kids with influental parents.
I don't see anything out-of-the-ordinary about that. Life involves choices, and we adapt to scarcity as best we can. Life doesn't get any better when the government picks favorites and grants them special privileges
Actually, it does. Ask anyone who benefitted from the rural phone service subsisdies. It's three dollars on my phone bill. It's the ability for them to call an ambulence. Do the math.
You still didn't answer my question. Without the redistribution of wealth, how do you expect the poor to obtain an education?
Your ability to participate in the economy and to access public services is not hampered by not having pizza delivery.
It is by not having a telephone, and will be even more so in the coming years by not having net access.
Though the situation is a bit different with net access, because the telephone infrastructure is already there. But originaly, it was either subsidize rural areas, or they don't get telephone. The cost was such that it would have been more profitable to ignore them.
Of course, even now, my grandmother lives 30 minutes away from the suburbs, and still can't get cable TV, though she could easily afford it, as she is already using DirectTV. Everyone says wireless internet will solve this problem, but I haven't seen anything real yet.
I wonder, did you receive a public education? It is effectivly income redistribution. I wonder how you'd feel about income redistribution when the welfare state quadruples in size, because education is no longer available to the poor.
I concur with this guy. I've built bash, gzip, zip, and GNU tar on Solaris, IRIX, and AIX using the standard compiler, C library, and make, and I've never had a compatability problem.
I've built many more packages that use autoconf on some of these platforms, and again, I don't rememember any shell problems, and definately no problems requiring glibc. Some things have needed tweaking when not using gcc, though, but never the official GNU stuff.
Of course, I'm currently considering standardizing on gmake at work, simply because it is so much more powerful than standard make. I know it's a safe bet because I can compile gmake on any Unix we ever intend to support, and I can even use it under Windows with the cygwin tools. It may be "embrace-and-extend", but it is hardly a vendor lock-in.
A lot of the pictures on their site showed their posters were stuck on top existing advertisements, which themselves were stuck on public and private property. So they're actually bringing attention to corporate-sponsored acts of vandalism, and keeping the cost of the removing their own ads to a minimum.
But then again, they also stuck them on steet signs and legitimate ads.
I imagine it has more to do with the person placing the posters than the organization itself. Do you think Nissan, Nintendo, and HBO condone vandalism?
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And you have been counter-trolled, have a nice day.
Chris Rock is partially responsible for the marginalization of black culture.
I saw one of his comedy routines on HBO where he made a mockery of the Columbine massacare, saying something to the effect of "black people kill each other all the time, but at least we don't go overboard like those crazy white people".
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Oh, do you also think the popularity of rap music proves that there is a lot of inner city trash in this country?
At least stock car racing doesn't advocate the killing of cops, the abuse of women, and the virtues of being alpha male in a pack of violent thugs.
Not that I watch NASCAR or anything, but you've got to at least respect something that began as a side hobby for people who customized their sports cars for smuggling alchohol into regions with asinine blue laws.
He brags about the censoring effect that the injunction will have on others mirroring the cphack utility (which in reality has had little effect), and mocks the defendants for not having opposing counsel show up, when the hearing, set on a friday morning, was arranged late on the previous thursday. Remember, that these two guys are not Americans, they live in Sweden and Canada.
I considered that, but I'd expect it to confuse people who don't know what bonobos are or what their society is like. They would be the perfect ancestor of the scientist caste, however, very much like those of the original movie, though a bit more promiscious.
Planet of the Apes made use of popular preconceptions of the great apes that are wrong.
Gorillas are docile herbavores. Chimpanzees are intelligent, but violent and warring. Orangatans are solitary. It would be a far more interesting movie if the ape society is extrapolated from the real dispositions of the apes.
And if you had failed, you would be totally fucked. And you would have ended up owing money to people who very likely were born into wealth, who are not as smart as you nor as motivated.
What is your company? What kind of cut do the VCs get?
The reason "workers" don't take risks and build companies is that most of them don't have the spare capital to do so. Normal people have debt to pay off and have kids to put through college and have a retirement to plan for.
Nah, then Clinton would get out the guns and threaten to throw our asses in jail, just like Reagan did to the striking air traffic controllers. The media would portray us as terrorists bent on destroying the national economy. Any credibility we have with the general population would be gone.
In the old economy, workers attempted to achieve fulfillment through leisure. The worker was alienated from the means of production, which was owned and controlled by someone else. In the New Economy, fulfillment can be achieved through work, and the means of production shifts to the brain of the producer.
Does anyone else see this statement as a bunch of psuedo-Marxist corporate doublethink?
Now you don't need lesuire for fulfillment, because your job provides that. In other words, you should be glad you have a 60hr work week. It's more fulfilling than spending time with your kids.
And notice how it claims that workers now have more control over the "means of production", but says nothing about a change in ownership structure? Give people the illusion of control, and they won't demand it for real.
I've got an in idea. Someone should implement a credibility database for pundits and other self-described "experts". When they say something really good or really stupid, they go in. Positive karma when good, negative when bad.
When one needs the services of a consulting group, or just needs to hire more people, you can go to the credibility database to help weed out the morons. It might encourage these people to think a little before they say something controversial and stupid just to get their name in an article.
Say for instance, Phil Roberts of some unnamed company, Clive Longbottom of Strategy Partners, and Bernie Dodwell of the Integralis Group, would all go into this database as "clueless".
My only concern is that this could be used to silence speech, as your company forbids you from talking to the media about *anything*, because they don't your negative karma affecting them. It could also encourage "cliquish" behavior, as people who have a high rating in the Linux db would probably be negative in the Win2k db. But hey, that's politics, it's been that way without public databases.
Q.Is the specification based on Microsoft technologies?
A.No. The SIF specification is based on the W3C endorsed standard Extensible Markup Language (XML). It defines common data formats and high-level rules of interaction and architecture, and <i>is not linked to a particular operating system or platform</i>. [emphasis their's]
Interesting. If only one good thing has come out of the anti-trust trial, it is that distrust in Microsoft has now reached the point where they are actually saying, in so many words, "we're not locking you into this" whenever they endorse a new spec or technology.
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Intellectual property was invented for that reason, to create artificial scarcity. There is no compelling reason for that state to remain permanent for a given work, which is what the original poster is advocating.
If he thinks he has ownership rights to every idea he ever had, I claim an eqivalent right to copy every idea he ever had. Without resorting to violence, which position do you think is going to win?
IP is a tradeoff. It creates an unnatural ecomonic condition in order to reward the creation of new IP. But once the creator is compensated, there is no reason to keep the artificial limits on reproduction. It is cheaper for everyone involved, because the alternative is to be nickeled and dimed by every half-wit with a long dead anscestor who created something you find valuable.
It probably wouldn't be that hard to implement a plug-in replacement library based on DeCSS. It wouldn't be "legal" in eyes of the MPAA's lawyers, but there's not much they can do to stop it, aside from stomping on people brave/foolish enough to mirror it openly.
So, does raving like a lunatic about hypothetical raving lunatics have the desired effect?
:P
Maybe it's just the effect of ranking posts by karma, but I don't see very much of the posts you describe. What I do see are people writing tirades against a straw man "linux zealot" in order to get their posts ranked higher.
And invariably, they do. It seems a lot of moderators can't distinguish legitimate contrarian viewpoints from opportunists and trolls who use the pschology of the "silenced minority opinion" to get their rantings heard.
BTW, I'm sure this will increase my karma, because I use fancy words and re-enforce the majority opinion.
Where the work comes from has nothing to do with it. Physical property is scarce. Intellectual property is infinately reproducable and ownership is subjective (In other words, you make a painting, and I paint an imitation it, who owns my imitation?)
The idea of the "ruling elite" is exactly what the dimwits in North Carolina are thinking. They think that a fascist mini-police state in schools is the answer. There is no such thing as a benign dictatorship, because control-freaks *always* want more power.
The public does know better. If you don't think they are capable of voting, then they're aren't really capable consumers either. Do you favor a command economy as well?
What is your source for this?
you can always use the anonymous nature of the service to destroy it. Turn in your teachers, turn in your homecoming queen, turn in the star quarterback. Turn in every kid who ever threatened you, or ever threatened anyone else.
If you're feeling really cocky and have nothing to hide, turn in yourself, and calmly explain to any media that will listen to you about how your rights are being violated by a bunch of fascist rent-a-cops.
They can't investigate everything and still make a profit. They can't maintain their credibility when they investigate popular kids with influental parents.
I don't see anything out-of-the-ordinary about that. Life involves choices, and we adapt to scarcity as best we can. Life doesn't get any better when the government picks favorites and grants them special privileges
Actually, it does. Ask anyone who benefitted from the rural phone service subsisdies. It's three dollars on my phone bill. It's the ability for them to call an ambulence. Do the math.
You still didn't answer my question. Without the redistribution of wealth, how do you expect the poor to obtain an education?
Your ability to participate in the economy and to access public services is not hampered by not having pizza delivery.
It is by not having a telephone, and will be even more so in the coming years by not having net access.
Though the situation is a bit different with net access, because the telephone infrastructure is already there. But originaly, it was either subsidize rural areas, or they don't get telephone. The cost was such that it would have been more profitable to ignore them.
Of course, even now, my grandmother lives 30 minutes away from the suburbs, and still can't get cable TV, though she could easily afford it, as she is already using DirectTV. Everyone says wireless internet will solve this problem, but I haven't seen anything real yet.
I wonder, did you receive a public education? It is effectivly income redistribution. I wonder how you'd feel about income redistribution when the welfare state quadruples in size, because education is no longer available to the poor.
I concur with this guy. I've built bash, gzip, zip, and GNU tar on Solaris, IRIX, and AIX using the standard compiler, C library, and make, and I've never had a compatability problem.
I've built many more packages that use autoconf on some of these platforms, and again, I don't rememember any shell problems, and definately no problems requiring glibc. Some things have needed tweaking when not using gcc, though, but never the official GNU stuff.
Of course, I'm currently considering standardizing on gmake at work, simply because it is so much more powerful than standard make. I know it's a safe bet because I can compile gmake on any Unix we ever intend to support, and I can even use it under Windows with the cygwin tools. It may be "embrace-and-extend", but it is hardly a vendor lock-in.
A lot of the pictures on their site showed their posters were stuck on top existing advertisements, which themselves were stuck on public and private property. So they're actually bringing attention to corporate-sponsored acts of vandalism, and keeping the cost of the removing their own ads to a minimum.
But then again, they also stuck them on steet signs and legitimate ads.
I imagine it has more to do with the person placing the posters than the organization itself. Do you think Nissan, Nintendo, and HBO condone vandalism?
And you have been counter-trolled, have a nice day.
Chris Rock is partially responsible for the marginalization of black culture.
I saw one of his comedy routines on HBO where he made a mockery of the Columbine massacare, saying something to the effect of "black people kill each other all the time, but at least we don't go overboard like those crazy white people".
Oh, do you also think the popularity of rap music proves that there is a lot of inner city trash in this country?
At least stock car racing doesn't advocate the killing of cops, the abuse of women, and the virtues of being alpha male in a pack of violent thugs.
Not that I watch NASCAR or anything, but you've got to at least respect something that began as a side hobby for people who customized their sports cars for smuggling alchohol into regions with asinine blue laws.
No, here, it's much easier. All you need to do is buy off 51% of the elected representatives.
Read the quotes of Irwin Schartz of Schwarz and Nystrom, who is representing Mattel in the CyberPatrol censorship list decryption case:
http://www.wired.com/news/linu x/0,1411,35038,00.html
He brags about the censoring effect that the injunction will have on others mirroring the cphack utility (which in reality has had little effect), and mocks the defendants for not having opposing counsel show up, when the hearing, set on a friday morning, was arranged late on the previous thursday. Remember, that these two guys are not Americans, they live in Sweden and Canada.
The key difference is, with science, one can always investigate the beliefs for themselves, and confirm or deny them based on the evidence at hand.
With religion, you're still stuck with "the Bible tells me so, and it feels right, so it must be true."
I considered that, but I'd expect it to confuse people who don't know what bonobos are or what their society is like. They would be the perfect ancestor of the scientist caste, however, very much like those of the original movie, though a bit more promiscious.
Planet of the Apes made use of popular preconceptions of the great apes that are wrong.
Gorillas are docile herbavores. Chimpanzees are intelligent, but violent and warring. Orangatans are solitary. It would be a far more interesting movie if the ape society is extrapolated from the real dispositions of the apes.
And if you had failed, you would be totally fucked. And you would have ended up owing money to people who very likely were born into wealth, who are not as smart as you nor as motivated.
What is your company? What kind of cut do the VCs get?
The reason "workers" don't take risks and build companies is that most of them don't have the spare capital to do so. Normal people have debt to pay off and have kids to put through college and have a retirement to plan for.
Nah, then Clinton would get out the guns and threaten to throw our asses in jail, just like Reagan did to the striking air traffic controllers. The media would portray us as terrorists bent on destroying the national economy. Any credibility we have with the general population would be gone.
In the old economy, workers attempted to achieve fulfillment through leisure. The worker was alienated from the means of production, which was owned and controlled by someone else. In the New Economy, fulfillment can be achieved through work, and the means of production shifts to the brain of the producer.
Does anyone else see this statement as a bunch of psuedo-Marxist corporate doublethink?
Now you don't need lesuire for fulfillment, because your job provides that. In other words, you should be glad you have a 60hr work week. It's more fulfilling than spending time with your kids.
And notice how it claims that workers now have more control over the "means of production", but says nothing about a change in ownership structure? Give people the illusion of control, and they won't demand it for real.
I've got an in idea. Someone should implement a credibility database for pundits and other self-described "experts". When they say something really good or really stupid, they go in. Positive karma when good, negative when bad.
When one needs the services of a consulting group, or just needs to hire more people, you can go to the credibility database to help weed out the morons. It might encourage these people to think a little before they say something controversial and stupid just to get their name in an article.
Say for instance, Phil Roberts of some unnamed company, Clive Longbottom of Strategy Partners, and Bernie Dodwell of the Integralis Group, would all go into this database as "clueless".
My only concern is that this could be used to silence speech, as your company forbids you from talking to the media about *anything*, because they don't your negative karma affecting them. It could also encourage "cliquish" behavior, as people who have a high rating in the Linux db would probably be negative in the Win2k db. But hey, that's politics, it's been that way without public databases.
Q.Is the specification based on Microsoft technologies?
A.No. The SIF specification is based on the W3C endorsed standard Extensible Markup Language (XML). It defines common data formats and high-level rules of interaction and architecture, and <i>is not linked to a particular operating system or platform</i>. [emphasis their's]
Interesting. If only one good thing has come out of the anti-trust trial, it is that distrust in Microsoft has now reached the point where they are actually saying, in so many words, "we're not locking you into this" whenever they endorse a new spec or technology.