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greybeardthelonely writes: "TwoMobile.com has a great story on how Linux is like hip hop and rap music. There's even a hip-hop penguin ..." You should read this, even if you can't stand rap music. Here's a quote: "Just like Linux, rap music was something that scared corporations until it was big enough to be profitable, and suddenly everyone wanted a piece of the action."
open source coding has been available waay before linux and was available at universities waay before anywhere else. to compare it to a crap mainstream pop culture is degrading at best. and its not just a simple fashion trend.
I hate rap!!
Let's refrain from comparing rap music to Linux, k?
Sean 'Puff Daddy' Combes's company, Bad Boy Entertainment, actually holds a small stake in Red Hat Software! Dunno why, but I'm guessing it's just a good invention, even if "the mo' money we have, the more problems we see". Interesting nonetheless.
....First Annual Geeks With Rap Convention....
Eric Raymond> Aww, if youz ain't doin' the open source thang, you ain't fer real, boy!
Bruce Perens> Well then, break yo-self!
Richard Stallman> *singing* ssshhhaarree the software and be goooood hackers toooooo....
Eric Raymond> You my beeatch richard, come over here and I'll bust a 40 on you!
Bruce Perens> True, true.
Richard Stallman> *keeps singing*
Eric Raymond> Aight, I warned you boy!
*gunshots*
Bruce Perens> Let's right a song about it, we'll call it "kicking out the source"...
:)
Thank you.
Trollin' for Gary Gygax...
a hip hop, a hibba, a hibba to the hip hip hop you don't stop, rocka to the bang bang boogie say up jump the boogie to the rythmn of the boogie de beat.
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Before 1990, rap music was not thought of as being as profitable as other forms of music.
Why is that? Before 1990, the Billboard lists were not compiled based on actual data, rather they were based on hearsay on what albums were selling the most from the record stores.
When soundscan was implemented in the summer of 1990, I believe it was, the first week's top 10 from Billboard based on actual album sales featured a VERY big surprise.
NWA was in the top 10, and at #2 that week with the album 'Efil4zaggin'. They were #1 the next week. Darn good album too, even though Ice Cube left NWA before it.
Much is the same with Linux and Microsoft. The old metrics of OS sales do not apply anymore, since Linux uses a different distribution method than Microsoft, as well as the traditional distribution channels. Now that the actual population of linux servers is being measured against the actual population of MS servers, the metrics have changed. In other words, the old methods of measuring OS penetration (physical sales) are like the pre-Soundscan methods (hearsay).
I am looking forward to seeing actual counts of Linux servers in corporations. Boeing has been cited as having over 50,000. I would especially like to see what percentage of the corporate mail server market Linux has over MS and Lotus.
In this way, Linux is like rap music, in that it was ignored because of methods of measuring sales and distribution that did not truly reflect actual figures.
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Hip-hop is not the same thing as rap music! I personally despise most rap. Turntablism, like the DJ Shadow stuff I'm listening to right now, is much better.
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Anybody remember how the Beastie Boys and RUN-DMC changed the face of rap music back in the 80's? Linux is like the Beasties, but it is changing the computer and opensource communities. Streamlined versions are already making their way into the home, (here I am thinking of the TiVo.) and into schools. (I run a Linux box at my school that provides email and web hosting for well over 200 students.) Things will change. Linux could (and hopefully will) take over Micro$oft. It has a promising future.
Okay, rock scared people in the fifties and many radio stations wouldn't play it...until it was commercially viable. Same with Jazz/Blues in early part of the twentieth century. Actually, you could also say the same about New Wave, Techno, Punk, Ska, Heavy Metal, Swing, Latin...just about every popular music form today went through a period where it was supported by a grass-roots movement until it became big enough for record companies to take interest in it.
Personal computing itself went through this in the mid-seventies (when computers were sold in kits and you sodered the damn things together). And many of today's popular operating system went through this as well (for example, I can remember a time when most companies looked upon Windows as a niche market and few wrote programs for it, prefering DOS instead...now, you're hard-pressed to find a anything in both DOS and Windows, including games).
I read the article and I'm still wondering what makes hip-hop and Linux especially unique in terms of comparisons...from my point of view, you could write this article about any type of music and OS...
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you silly little white boys need to toughen up.
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lets go pour some 40's for da linux hackers not with us anymore g!
jiggy smalls is da illest!
i be pizzouring hot grits down my FUBU's.
and funk dat natalie portman ho...she wont give it up to none of us hardcore hackers.
peace out G - im off to smoke my caddy up.
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I don't think that this is quite right. Rap music, like all music, is just a fad... something that will go away eventually and only be looked back on with fondness by a select group of people.
;)
Linux, however, is much more than that. It opened up a whole new world for the people that had the patience and knowledge to adopt it. Due to Linux, they didn't have to sit back and take whatever the big software companies threw at them... they could dive right in and tweak to their hearts delight.
The only thing that seems to be similar between the two is that they both produced cult-like followers who shun any other way of doing things
-- Dr. Eldarion --
And in a related story....
I really like this press release from Oracle comparing linux to a chia pet. I thought it was kind of funny.
Ben
yup, they both suck and deserve to be taken off the earth.
Fine. Now go and tell your mother!
Puff Daddy owns LinuxOne, and he's planning to just steal RedHat, and remix it. Come to think of it Linux's open source-ness would just fit right up his alley.
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Let's hope this isn't the beginning of a trend. Maybe we need a new moderator tag, Commercial SPAM.
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That's right. Some dude went out into a field, found a whole bunch of rocks, and started selling them. All of the suddent, he had the number one selling novelty/toy on the market. Of course, now you get laughed at if you have a pet rock.
That's right, Goddard was laughed at, but when he showed that you could launch anything with highly explosive fuel and not hurt yourself, governments started taking notice and now we have rockets everywhere.
People used to think that NASCAR was a joke, something that a bunch of hillbillies watched when grandma wasn't showing them how well she could hit squirrels with pine cones, but then they actually counted the number of hillbillies watching NASCAR and saw that it was way more than the number that was watching NBA basketball and realized it was The Next Big Thing(tm). Now we have Jeff Gordon losing to the Pepsi girl and drivers going to Hardee's in their racecars.
Hell, no one thought you could make a living selling computers out of your garage, but then everyone realized that it was cheaper and hipper to buy them from hicks than from corporate moneymen and now they have multi-gazillion dollar companies. Who woulda thunkit?
From humble a humble start as 'Chips N Dips' (or something), people started noticing Slashdot when they reported on things other than Microsoft. Now all of the sudden, Slashdot comments are quoted as insider comments ("Mr. Coward wrote in reply to the judge's findings, 'First post!'") and Slashdot is getting bought out by every major Linux company that exists.
Everyone thought they were a wannabe country, a bunch of freedom fighters who were being brats about paying their taxes, but whoa, they started noticing when America would walk into other countries, pick fights and, holy cow, win! Now everyone recognizes that no matter how small others may think you are, all you have to do is speak softly and carry a big stick and you can put a McDonald's wherever you damn well please.
People thought these Christian Jews were wackos until they started converting everything under the sun. The world took notice when the largest empire in the world adopted Christianity through its emperor and the rest, well, it's in the Bible somewhere.
Come on people, we can make useless analogies all day long. Linux is a phenomena, and you can compare it to a lot of other phenomena. Trying to say it's like something else, though, takes away a little bit from the true magic of what happened in this specific instance and begins a group down the road of trying to develop in a manner similar to some other reference, which takes away from the spontaneity of what may happen and may serve to derail the power of the change.
The development of Linux is like the development of Linux. Enjoy the ride; don't analyze it.
Everything big once started out small
Just because Rap is popular, does not make it good music. It blows chunks.
How do you want it?
Rolin in my six fo, kickin it wit da boyz, we'z be in yo hood. I gotsa a linux distro in my lap, to take care o dat.
Thug programas gotsta die, no needs to ask why. I'z be setin UID 0, don't try to be a hero. Everyone drop yo niceness, i'm takin control of dis bitch.
Gotsta give props to da thugz from da way east side. Put ya hands in da air for Linus, Alan, Matti, Dave, Werner, and all da crew, wez be down wit you.
Peace to all my hommies, pour an ounce to dis.
-Wit much thugz luv, Mizaster Swizitch.
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That goes for anything, of course cooporations don't have interest in it until it is profitible. They are not scared, they just don't care.
Yo yo yo, I'm Billy G
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And everyone wants a piece of me
Web-side, E-side, all's my land
Make sure no fucka get no hand
If some fucka wanna fuck with me
I'll smash them through my WebTV
And when the competition starts to rock
I say go suck my cock
And I buy up all their stock
So don't no fucka fuck with me
O I fuck your computer with a BSoD
I pimp out all those hippie LUGs
If they dare fuck my 65,000 bugs
You know you want a piece of me
'Cuz I'm the G
Of all technology
(In the spirit of open-source, I'll leave it to y'all to finish the rap
-Joe
Have you ever met a black person? Seriously.
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runs mobile linux or is he saying its uses a transmeta?
Linux is heading into the mobile market full steam with Transmeta developing Mobile Linux and devices like the Samsung YOPY PDA being created to run it.
I thought it used and strongarm processor and it was running arm-linux? is arm-linux a derivative of mobile linux? i dont think this it is since arm linux has been out for quite a while?
john
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Quality doesn't matter, as the end-users have no taste anyway.
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Rap? Rap isnt music. Its the lowest common denominator. I find this analogy almost offensive. Whereas the talent and hard work from people at GNU, the Internet and Linus gelled together to create something that was USEFUL, Rap is just some barely comprensible and uneducated sounding guy talking rhymes over a dumb drum machine. Its bottom feeder shit. This analogy is useless. WERD! :P
and my bizkit sure ain't limp!
man, i gotta know...yo niggah westside! die, niggah, die! uhh, uhhh...
[me and my girlfriend]
if you replaced their entire music
collection with rap music?
Probably about the same way they would
respond if you fdisked their hard drive
and installed linux.
Despite the fact that rap music has become
at least as commercialized as other types
of music, the culture that created rap music
is still heavily margainalized in society.
Chris Rock made a good point about the
margainalization of black culture. He said
something like, "yes, I make a lot of money doing
what I do, but how many white people out there
would trade places with me?
The question to be asked about linux is,
while there are a lot of people willing to
invest in a heavily-hyped company like Redhat,
how many of those people would install
linux on their computer?
Linux, like rap in its early days, needs glitz
to survive. I remember wondering why MC Hammer
decided to drop the MC from his name. I hope
we don't see companies like Redhat and VA
dropping linux from theirs.
Amazing magic tricks
No, get it straight, Linux is more like techno/rave. Also in the article they say hip-hop is the most digitally distributed music, but again it is actually techno/rave. Techno is a return to sacred tribal music, and Free software is bringing back the gift economy, also a tribal thing. Also jungle/drum'n'bass continues where hip-hop leaves off.
Look, that's just offensive. I realize that you have no idea what the hell people of African descent sound like, nor have you probably ever left the protective womb of your lilly-white suburbs, but please try not to sound like such a fucking Jim Crow klan member, ok?
Just because Slashdot is 99% white boy doesn't mean you can spew whatever shit you want.
the main similarity that I see is rebellion. I know many linux users who do just in rebellion to Microsoft/closed source/satan/whatever. Rap and hip-hop music is obviously very rebellious as well, and that doesn't need to be argued. Hip-hop is a quick, jumpy powerful music, just like the bleeding-edge, quick, and powerful linux. Very cool!
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have you ever listened to rap?
that's how it sounds
- DIY (Do It Yourself) attitude
- The source code (3 chords) is available to be used by anyone
- Selling out and doing it only for the money is frowned upon
- Many Linux geeks and punks dress funny
- Started out with a small grass-roots community of people helping each other out, but has ballooned (more than once) into massive corporate acceptance
Cheers,Vic
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You can get statistics from Netcraft.
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How stupid do you need to be to spam Slashdot? Really, how many /. readers would fall for this?
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of course they are the alike, they both suck.
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I know that. It was sarcasm!
With Rap music, bsck in the 1990s Geffen records refused to distribute music made by the Geto Boys because of the "racism" that Geffen felt was expressed in that music. This is the SAME company that was distributing Guns N Roses music. You know those "Police and niggers" stay out of my way guys... But Guns N Roses albums sold millions so I guess Geffen was able to overlook their shortcomings.
After NWA went platinum in a week with their second album, and Ice-T made a gazillion dollars for the record & movie companies with his OG album/New Jack City promotion.
Linux started out as a week-end project for Linus and a few scattered hackers around the world about 10 years ago. Now it's a global contender in the server OS market. Microsoft is actually paying people to tune their OS to be faster just because of an upstart free OS coded by hackers in their spare time.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
1. Hip hop is cool. You can listen to hip-hop in a club/bar/pub and and get jiggy with some girls. Its cool.
2. Linux is not cool (outside your geek friends). You cannot go into a pub and start talking linux (big no no) and get jiggy.
Remember, we should forget about our work when we go out. That way our profession will become recognised as a proper profession and not just as a group of socially retarded, over paid nerds!
(no offence intended)
West coast hackaz are the bomb. Yo Yo Yo...whaz wit u east coast muthas?...all youz gotsta show is RMS, ESR and Redhat???. West coast is where be the action (Linus, -DDT->, VA, Transmeta)!. You should listen to my homeboy 2-pac cuz brother he be preachin about Californi-a!
Ever listened to Common? How about the Roots? Or the Coup? What about De La Soul? The list goes on.
None of these artists create music which fits your racist generalization. Most of the rap which has the elements shown in Signal 11's post is based on life experience. Maybe if you took a fair look at what you're attacking, you would begin to understand it.
If you don't like an art form, no-one is forcing you to listen to. But making negative stereotypes just shows your ignorance and immaturity.
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Linux requires at least IQ over 80. Rap music doesn't require a brain.
Is Linus Torvald an MC?
Netcraft is a very good source.
However, it does not provide metrics for counting the very large amount of servers not accessible from the Internet. For example, it counts our main web server, running Apache/Linux. However, it does not count the numerous development servers that we run on and off-site that run Linux, NT, and FreeBSD. It also does not count the intranet servers people run, or mail servers.
Netcraft is a good source for seeing what is directly connected to the Internet. However, it does not provide the statistics that show servers in use at companies that either:
a. Are connected to the Internet and run web servers at ports other than 80 and not on 80.
b. Are not connected to the Internet directly.
c. Are used as directly-connected Internet servers that function in another capacity, such as a firewall, proxy server, mail server, or other method that does not provide statistics about what the underlying OS is.
When there is a metric for that, I'll like it more than Netcraft.
Hip Hop and Linux have nothing in common.
Linux is cool.
Hip Hop is not.
'nuff said.
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Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
Ok, that explains it, as I fucking hate rap, no wonder I hate Linux and that fat fucking penguin.
The same could be said about GUIs, the internet, computer games, computers themselves -- or virtually any other major breakthrough in the industry. As someone else noted, the situation that hip hop is in is by no means unique either. (posting by punkass):
I can understand how an individual would like to tie two things together that [s]he is interested in, but this is kind of stretching it. I find it particularly ironic that so much hip hop music revolves around amounts of money, and that's sort of the opposite (or at least a secondary) goal of open source.
- Scott
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First, I am a huge punk fan. But remember, the Ramones came up with punk because they were not good enough to play real music! They tried. They tried to do Beach Boys and decided they really sucked at it. But they wanted to play. So they did. Bingo! Punk was born.
I thought this too when I started to read the article.. that Linux is more like the early days of punk, and in a lot of ways it is, as you pointed out. Nobody gives a shit if it does not look pretty (and as the line in Rock 'n Roll High School goes, "They are ugly. Ugly, ugly, people.") but if it works then that is all that matters. Punk certainly does that.
It is very anti-establishment. Bob Young has said it. Red Hat's competition is not the other Linux companies. It is Microsoft. In the minds of corporate america, what is more anti-establishment than refusing to use a Microsoft Windows product? I can't think of anything.
So, taking all things into account, you are right. However, like I said, punk was started because the guys could not play worth a crap. The Linux code I have seen is brilliant.
Ya'll clozed source bizzotches ain't nuthin but a buncha playa haytas... You gotta RECOGNIZE da mad codin' skillz of me and my Lizznux boyz, else we be layin' da beats down on yo bitch asses wit' da MAD tricked-out Beowulf clizzuster at our crib. Shit, dogg, we be 'bout to get us some hardcore command-line shit goin' on, cuz we be CLI fo' life... none dat weak-ass G-Nome shit fo' my crew. True dat. So you best be gettin' up out dis beeotch when we get our grep on, befo' we REGULATE on yo' bitch ass. Peace out.
So, taking all things into account, you are right. However, like I said, punk was started because the guys could not play worth a crap. The Linux code I have seen is brilliant.
Then you haven't seen much Linux code. The VAST majority of the code is absolute uncommented crap. It gets points for (usually) working, but by no stretch of the imagination is Linux developed to professional standards.
This is my first post in this thread (so I'm not who you addressed).
*I* think African-American is an overly PC term. If Charlize Theron (South African) was to have a child with an American... it would be an African-American. If the father was white, then the child in all probability would be too. If that child went out in public saying it was an "African-Amercian", then that child would probably be made fun of and/or beaten up. Egypt is an Africa, but most people wouldn't refer to an Egyptian-American as an African-American if they saw them in North America.
When someone says "African-American", they mean "black". What's wrong with calling someone black? It's not meant to be offensive, and who would take it to be so? White people are called "white people" all the time. It's not derogatory in any way, unless you are offended to be called white. (why would you be? Why would a black person be offended if they were called black?)
Not all black people can trace their roots back to Africa, can they? Disregarding the time when everything was one big continent, that is. Because if we didn't disregard that, then MOST people would then be African-American/Canadian/etc regardless of the colour of their skin. Can Australian aboriginees trace their roots back to Africa? (I don't know). I'm sure that not all black people can trace their ancestry back to Africa. But in America/Canada, we call anyone who is black an African-American/Canadian.
Anyway, this has been my rant on the term "African-Amercian". I think it's a far too PC a thing to say - people shouldn't be offended to be called what they ARE.
- Jeremy Fuller
What a suprise, corporations are interested in anything that will make them money.
I really fail to see a connection. If I were forced to try to compare the operating system players to the different music types, I'd say Microsoft is like any pop music that the braindead masses enjoy. Music with no quality that is just out to make money (Rap is definately included in some of these). Open Source operating systems are obviously akin to DIY music where they try to bypass the corrupt music industry. Rap is really nothing like Linux. A horrible article, really. =(
...and at one time, Disco (which is alive and well and renamed to "House" and "Club" music)
hmm....Disco == House. I only partially agree with that. While the "lifestyle" of Disco and the "heart and soul" of Disco is being repeated through the current trend of "House" the music is not the same. While some may argue that the scene is what makes the music, I personally find that it is the music that makes the scene. I cannot stand Disco, but I (as a wannabe DJ) will spin all of the house tunes that I can at a good party. The only time that I appreciate a good disco song is when I can layer it in with a deep house beat, drown out the disco feel and give it a new life in the "Essence of House."
Your point is well taken, and it is definately arguable, but I for one am only going to partially agree with it.
I am also aware that the above quoted statement was not the essence of your post, but I just wanted to throw in my two cents on the current state of house. Long live TRANCE
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Seems like a lot of you guys are kinda scared by hip hop, having to revert to stereotypes and humor, instead of perhaps discussing something that could be somewhat interesting to talk about.
Lots of people make fun of the crap they see on MTV. It should be made fun of, because it's soulless and empty, with nothing new to say. It's pop hip hop, boring and uninteresting.
Hip hop (in its truest form) is about self expression, about doing _your_ thing, and adding your voice to a community of creativity. Puff Daddy and all the other shit you laugh about is POP MUSIC. My grandmother could display more artistic creativity than him. But there are many artists who display originality, even poetry in their rapping. An oppressed people created hip hop, as a way to gain control over their situation and reenfranchise themselves. Sounds kinda like linux...
The thing is that true hip hop and linux are about the individual and gaining power back over your situation. Rapping on the corner about racism in the face of society, or coding late at night in the face of monolithic software companies. Hip hop is about giving a voice to those who had none. Linux lets people have a voice and a choice.
In the end, any argument for or against is kinda mute. It's kinda silly to compare an OS culture to a sub-culture, but it might make for some interesting discussion. Maybe think next time before you write some ignorant shit about hip hop not being music. I'm glad I never got into glam rock, and instead found hip hop (and later techno).
Thanks for reading this rant...
No one ever used the phrase "African American" in this thread. You'll note that it was "people of African descent", which would specifially disclude Ms. Theron. Sure, you can whine about how we all came from Africa, but then you're just wasting your breath. After all, caucasions originally came from the Caucus mountains in India, but how many of them would identify themselves as Indian?
Please try to use common sense; it helps to clear up problems you create for yourself.
What gives here? After reading this topic, all I can think of is that after 3 posts, it has degraded into a forum if flames and ridiculous people. Do y'all even remember what the original subject is/was? So much for the slashdot community being the pillar of intelligent thought it once was... You have all gone downhill as of late...kinda like rap.
Think about.. it thiers east coast(RedHat Linux) West Coast(Turbo Linux) , Dirty South(Debian), and of course the best old school(slack) hahha Im just kidding guys..... but the comparison is one that sorta works..
just as there are complaints over the geek community being mostly guys...
it seems to be mostly pretensious white guys that only and narrow-mindly listen to rock that, while knowing nothing about rap, fee free to spit out rhetoric about it.
... and even if one were to suppose that they were the first punk band (which they unequivocably weren't), punk music isn't as simple as any punk band you care to name. there were plenty of punk bands that new how to play their instruments.
by Puff Shadukar,
Seems like yesterday we used to travel the data flow,
I controled the the info you loved to show
so far from hanging up,
my linux box, i got to know that
the system aint the same it used to be
megabytes cant express what you meant to me
even though you're gone, we're still a team
getting an upgrade to to fullfill out dreams
In the future i cant wait to see
if you'll give up any of my data back to me
remenesce some time about the night you crashed
my friend
i try to block it out, but you wont read again
when its real data its hard to conceal
cant imagine all the pain i feel
its kinda hard with you not around
knowing you're in the case, disks not spining 'round, watching me while i safe $ for a new hd, every day i save $ for a new.
Till the day data flows again,
in the case is where i keep you friend,
Memmory gives me stength to belive
but i need a HD for boot to proceede
My thoughts of bakup, reality cant defy,
wish i could turn back the hands of time
if only i could give you half a spin
i know you're still having processes even after crash.
Chorus,
Every jet u oress
every dusj u read
every file i save
every time i pray
every fsck i do,
I'll be missing you
Thinking of the day
when you crashed away
what a storage to take
what a disk to break
i'll be missing you
tux please tell my why...
So what's the difference to you?
The Chemical Brothers invented techno in 1994. And they're English, not European.
:) ), but then the genre began to expand, and there was another explosion of new music, with the introduction of Jungle, Big Beat (thank the Chemical Brothers (previously known as the Dust Brothers) for that), drum 'n bass, and other types.
:)
Actually, techno is American, invented in the early '80s. And actually, it evolved from Disco. When disco "died", it actually just disappeared from the mainstream culture, but didn't actually die completely. There were many places where disco was still popular, namely gay clubs.
During this time, a few DJs/producers began to play around with the dance-music feel of disco, and combining it with the new drum machines that were making their appearance at the time (which also, incidentally, encouraged the development of rap music, which used the beats as well). The gay clubs of detroit were, basically, the incubator where the first techno was developed. This was around '83 or 84 I think.
Because of where it was played, though, techno was not destined to break out in the US. Instead, mainstream clubs in England began to play techno, and eventually began to create their own. Techno evolved into more of the "rave" form that we know nowadays, and exploded during '86 into what the english called their "Summer of Love", which was a huge bash of massive festival-raves, copious and freely available hallucinogens, and the first real introduction of techno to the Mainstream.
After this, techno began to make its way back to where it originated: the USA. It took several years, but in 1991 the first techno-explosion occured in the US. This first incarnation of techno in the US was strongly associated with Hippie culture (probably due to the mutual association with drugs), and then promptly faded from the mainstream in 1993.
Techno then began to change again, getting away from the cheesy anthems of old (James Brown is Dead, Dominator, etc.), and, led by groups like Orbital, what is now known as "trance" began to appear. in 1994, the only music that was heard at raves was trance (sorta like today
1997 was the beginning of the Mainstream's latest fascination with techno. Groups like Prodigy and the Chemical Bros. became popular, Robert Miles' song "Children" hit the #1 spot all around the world, and many people were predicting that techno was going to be "the next big thing". Thankfully, that never happened, and things have died down without the Mainstream music industry appropriating the techno scene (certain madonna and cher songs not withstanding).
And no, I think that linux is nothing like techno!
This is sort of funny, I guess. It's probably another case of the "parnoia makes us strong". Kind of a take on the fact that you need to be a victim to get a strong political movement behind you in today's America. Corporations were never scared of Linux. Of all the businesses that corporations are involved in, very few (by percentage) are involved in selling (or pushing, if you will) software to consumers. Most offer services or are in "solutions" business.
I've worked for corporations since the early times of Linux (well, since '95 or so). And I've never heard anyone being scared of Linux. People were either enthusiastic or condescending. But the sentiment at work was always identical to the discussions in the Linux newsgroups. Some people felt that they had better things to do with their lives than learning the intricacies of setting up all the freelly available programs that came with Linux. And some thought that it was the coolest thing since sliced bread, and couldn't understand how anyone could argue about it.
I don't believe I ever met anyone who was scared of Linux taking on their business. How can it? You can always slap your own products on top of Linux. If you didn't rely on threads (too heavily), porting to Linux was always a snap.
I usually don't like posting to these "we have to have a united front" types of articles, but somehow this whole idea of Linux as rap-type counter culture is just too funny to ignore. Surprise! Linux was always in! If not as a business solution, then as a network-administration-learning tool. And as a general C-training tool. And as cheap way to mass distribute data. Not to mention the way it was used to have PC pull double-duty as both X-terminals and wintel devices
But hey, if the "war cry" keeps the Linux development going, then more power to those who stir it.
Here's somthing quoted out of the Slashdot FAQ:
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-- Win2k: "It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow."
I like linux, and the day it runs win32 games, i'll switch, but it isn't a coincidence the rap is the last 3 letters of crap. RAP IS CRAP!!!!!!!!!
>but by no stretch of the imagination is Linux developed to professional standards.
Hehehe...I'm willing to bet that a lot of professional
code isn't developed to 'professional standards'.
The difference is that very few people get to see any of it...
--Kevin
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"Just take another hit 'cause you don't give a f*ck-
You're a junkie and you're proud!"
and it don't stop till you choose so how can
you lose? If you are a skilled user or coder,
be down with Linux cause Windows got that odor.
Let me RiKi RiKi ryhme while I check my uptime
and eat these hot grits cause they taste so fine.
Don't stop get it get it.
Go linux, Go Linux go, go linux go. Get Buck!
Get Buck! ~Bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay~
Word out to the all the Slashers and my Trolldogs
All you sucka OS's like Linux One quit imitatin
Pour out a little liquor for your dead processes
I used to be with it.
But what I'm with, isn't "it" anymore. And what's "it", seems weird and scary to me. Some day, it will happen to you!
Yo, I got root, nigga
I got root
And all them Microslut bitches gon' suck on my big
Linus dick.
(repeat 1000 times)
Of course, if linux is like any form of music, it's like punk rock - fuck the majors, we'll do it ourselves.
How much major label crock do you remember from the 80's? And how many punk bands?
News and bla for computer musicians: http://lomechanik.net/
granted, it's informative about music and not computers....but I say it's still relavent.
Unlike Linux, Rap is HUGE!
Really, Linux is more like Jazz, wouldn't you say?
1. Neither will hit #1 on any sales chart in the near future (not in their purest forms anyway)
2. Jazz Improvization can loosely be compared to Open Source development
3. Most people don't "get it," but proponents will tell you it's the greatest thing ever created.
4. Despite being around for so long, the Industry has been virtually unable to water either down (Kenny G notwithstanding)
QED, Linux is like Jazz.
Rap music is inherently tied to the culture of 'African Americans'.
Fuck you, really I mean it, fuck you. Ignorant bastards like you are the reason I sometimes wonder what MLK and Malcolm X died for. People like you who insult a whole race and bring about insult on an entire race by associating music that primarily glorifies the debasement of women, the killing of members of the same race, illegal activity, ignorance, and habitual use and sale of drugs with our culture. Rap music is not, should not, and will never be a part of my culture and that of the people I know.
Sadly everyday I see more and more people both young and old who are under the misguided belief that the music of jail bound, semi-literate thugs somehow defines who they are as a people. I can only pray that a change comes quickly before we go too far down the wrong path and raise a generation that will be impossible to turn around. It's like Chris Rock said it's a constant battle between the niggers and the black people and sadly it seems the niggers are winning.
PS: Yes, I know there is rap music from the Roots, Common, Lauryn Hill, etc. that is uplifting but these are exceptions to the rule and not the norm. And even then they still do not define our culture but are simply just songs some of us listen to at the moment. It's not like I've ever seen a group of white people talking about how Marilyn Manson, Nsync or britney Spears are parts of their culture so why must people like you do so?
Lets not forget Ace-1. West Coast-Project Blowed. Sector 2132310. Whats the code?
The Linux movement is much more like the Underground/DIY/Punk indie movement of the 80s/90s than it is to rap.
"open source coding has been available waay
before linux and was available at
universities waay before anywhere else.
to compare it to a crap mainstream pop
culture is degrading at best. and its not
just a simple fashion trend."
TWO THUMBS UP !
The twomobile.com people have NO taste.
Comparing a beautifully crafted piece like Linux,
by people whom have contributed generously
their talents for the GOOD OF THE WORLD,
to the crappy hip-hop, and gangster rap
(do you notice that those hip-hop guys can't
walk like a normal human being? They have to
always walk their "ganster" kind of way? What
a lousy image)
is totally UNFAIR to Linux and all other open-source projects.
We should not let tasteless cretins like the twomobile.com people drag us through the mud like this.
I know, I know, the "open-source" theme is "IN", and everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon, but we should NOT let shitheads like those from the twomobile taking advantage of the "open-source" thing to gain their own 15 second worth of fame.
At the very least, the open-source community has the right to self-respect. All of us who have contributed to open-source projects have diginity, and we will NOT let shits like the twomobile.com people ruin our integrity just because they feel "kewl" to attach "opensource" to themselves.
Lest other say we are an "elite" group, we are not. But we are not GANSTERS either, we are NOT like the rap/hip-hop group who want so much to "impress" the world with their lousy low-class attitude.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Linux is very different than hip hop and rap. The concept that they are similar is utter crap. Rap music glorifies violence and death, and its treatment of the relationships between the sexes is repulsive. Linux does none of these things.
I want to protest the injustice the twomobile.com people have done to Linux and all other open-source projects.
The twomobile.com people have NO taste.
Comparing a beautifully crafted piece like Linux,
by people whom have contributed generously
their talents for the GOOD OF THE WORLD,
to the crappy hip-hop, and gangster rap
(do you notice that those hip-hop guys can't
walk like a normal human being? They have to
always walk their "ganster" kind of way? What
a lousy image)
is totally UNFAIR to Linux and all other open-source projects.
We should not let tasteless cretins like the twomobile.com people drag us through the mud like this.
I know, I know, the "open-source" theme is "IN", and everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon, but we should NOT let shitheads like those from the twomobile taking advantage of the "open-source" thing to gain their own 15 second worth of fame.
At the very least, the open-source community has the right to self-respect. All of us who have contributed to open-source projects have diginity, and we will NOT let shits like the twomobile.com people ruin our integrity just because they feel "kewl" to attach "opensource" to themselves.
Lest other say we are an "elite" group, we are not. But we are not GANSTERS either, we are NOT like the rap/hip-hop group who want so much to "impress" the world with their lousy low-class attitude.
I have read a lot of the "rap/hip-hop" is poetic crap. If hip-hop and rap is so "poetic", why do we have so many drive-by alley shooting with those hip-hop/rap blaring at the background?
Gimme a break ! Gimme a fscking break !
You want your "gansta" image, go to hip-hop/rap. You want to contribute your talents to the world, come and contribute it to the many open-source projects. But please, don't equate the two things, for they are NOT the same thing.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
You accuse Signal11 to be a racist, while you said the following:
"I realize that you have no idea what the
hell people of African descent sound like,"
Are YOU trying to tell us that people of African descent **MUST** sound like what you think they must sound like, or they cannot claim themselves to he decendents of African people?
By saying that the people of African descend *MUST* do this, or do that, you have become the DE FACTO RACIST in this debate.
People of African descent are PEOPLE, their blood is as RED as the white, yellow or brown folks. They have the right to ACT whatever way they want, and NOBODY, NOT EVEN YOU, can tell them what to do, or how to act, or what "sound" they have to do.
I am sick and tired of people who always think that people with blackskin must love rap/hip-hop "becoz that's their wayz".
BULLSHIT !
Can't people of African descent love classical music?
I mean, what is wrong with Africans playing NICE SOOTHING music?
Jeeeze.
You guys make me sick ! REALLY SICK !!!
And one more thing - if you want rap music, go play your rap music, but NEVER, and I repeat, N*E*V*E*R claim that the Aricans are the one who OWNZ the Rap music.
There are LOTS of different kinds of GANSTAS out there, and the black people do not have the exclusive right to GANSTAism.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Yeah, Linux is exactly like Hip Hop music. Hip Hop was original, and then it sold out. FreeBSD forever.
It's crap but everybody listens too it ;-)
;-)
....
MacOS is lounge music MacOSX is "retro" lounge music
OpenBSD is heavy metal
NetBSD is opera
BeOS is Tom Waits wailing in a deserted bus station - damn good stuff
And FreeBSD is
Chris Rock is partially responsible for the marginalization of black culture.
I saw one of his comedy routines on HBO where he made a mockery of the Columbine massacare, saying something to the effect of "black people kill each other all the time, but at least we don't go overboard like those crazy white people".
Look. I may agree to that principle that you have outlined, but I do not agree to the comparison the twomobile.com people have thrown at us.
We are open-source, we contribute our time, our talent, and our effort to make the world just a littlebit better.
The rap/hip-hop "artists", on the other hand, contribute to the world with the GANSTA image, with drive-by shooting, death, drugs, mayhem.
We the open-source people are NOT like that. We do not believe in kicking, or murdering the people we have disagreement with. We do not believe in displaying our *MACHO* image so to make the world "fear" us.
We don't need anyone to fear us. All we ever want is to make this world just that little bit better.
That is all we are asking.
That isn't much, or is it?
Why do we have to be drag through the shits by the twomobile people, comparing us with those GANSTAS?
I really resent the comparison. I really do.
I understand that the "open-source" thingy is "KEWL" nowadays, that everybody and their mother-in-law wants to be "IN" with us.
I understand that all.
But please, please LET US DO OUR THINGS and please LEAVE US ALONE !
Don't do the CHEAP TRICKS like the twomobile.com has done - we are NOT gangstas, and we have no need to show off our *MACHONESS* and we don't need to spray bullets into our enemies' body.
We don't call our female friends "hoe" or "bitch", we don't "MF" everybody we see, and we do not believe in violence.
I appreciate your "principle" thing, but please, don't use the word "Linux" (and all other open-source projects) in the same sentence with "Rap" or "hip-hop".
We are NOT the same.
We have respects. We respect each others, and we respect our female friends. We are NOT like them, period.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
"If I were forced to try to compare the
operating system players to the different
music types, I'd say Microsoft is like any
pop music that the braindead masses enjoy.
Music with no quality that is just out to
make money (Rap is definately included in
some of these).
Open Source operating systems are obviously
akin to DIY music where they try to bypass
the corrupt music industry. Rap is really
nothing like Linux. A horrible article,
really. =( "
I agree with you wholeheartedly !
It is NOT only a horrible article, it is a CHEAP attempt for the twomobile.com people to gain personal fame by using words like "Linux" or "open-source".
We should NOT let these cheap bastard get away so easily. We should never let anyone degrade the beautiful nature of opensource by dragging us through the shits, be it Rap, Hip-Hop or whatever.
I truly resent what the twomobile.com people have done. I truly resent that the things that I have contributed to the open-source projects (and the many MORE things others have contributed as well) are degraded to the "GANGSTA" level of Rap and/or hip-hop.
We never need to show our "machoness", unlike those "GANGSTAS". We never need to call our female partners "hoe" or "bitch", and we in the open-source movement treat everybody equally, unlike those "GANGSTAS" who think they are "KINGS" and they can "scare" the world with their display of machoness.
Man, I just can't tell you how furious I am.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Okay, maybe the article was a stretch, but this isn't: TerminatorX (my favorite linux audio program). Make virtual turntables from audio files and scratch them like vinyl records with your mouse!
Linux meets hiphop? Yeah, now we're talking :)
F0 07 C7 C8
USA has no *real* culture it just buys / imports it from everyone / everywhere else...
Someone send a bodyguard to Patrick Volkerding!
You said:
"Hip hop (in its truest form) is about self
expression, about doing _your_ thing, and
adding your voice to a community of
creativity."
Let me tell you something - ANYTHING in their TRUEST FORM may be either GOOD or BAD, but that STILL doesn't mean shit.
What Hip-Hop, and Rap, has "EVOLVED" into, from their "TRUEST FORM" is BLATANT COMMERCIALIZATION, SHOW-OFF-ISM, GANSTA-ISM, SEX=ISM, IDIOT-ISM, and VIOLENCE.
So many people from the "hip-hop/rap" group think that they are "GREAT" just because they get to spray bullets into their enemies.
Is that what we want? More violence in this world?
Linux and all other open-source projects, and the people participate in it, do not believe in violece. We do not believe in showing off. We also do not call our female friends "Hoe" or "Bitch".
We don't need to show off our "MACHO"-ness to "SCARE" the whole world. We don't need to scare anybody, period.
In other words, Linux and all other open-source projects, and all the people participate in it, do not need to go back to our "TRUEST FORM" to be non-violence and to have a good intention to make this world a better place.
We don't need to go back to any "TRUEST FORM" because we don't need to PRETEND to be anything we are not.
We are just people, people who love to contribute our time, effort and talent to make this world a better place. That is all.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I know it's wrong, but the image of a baby duct-taped to a wall brought me to deep, bellowing laughter. Others must have the same opportunity.
--
mdl
People used to think that NASCAR was a joke, something that a bunch of hillbillies watched when grandma wasn't showing them how well she could hit squirrels with pine cones ..
:-) I nearly died of laughter when I read this! My roommate thought there was something seriously wrong with me.
Dude, stop it.
That's right. JON KATZ, in an attempt to cash in on the newly-found success of Linux and the Open Source movement, has tried to mold himself into something he is not, namely a champion of the community. And VANILLA ICE, in the 1980s, attempted to mold himself into something he was not, namely black and/or talented.
.. gather round and lissen .. Jon Katz is back for a well-deserved dissin. To the extreme, indeed.
Both of them made a bit of a "splash" for a while, but after it became clear that neither of them had the slightest damned clue about what they were doing, they quickly faded into a cloud of well-deserved obscurity. Yo stop
And to any black Slashdotters who might be reading this comment, I would like to apologize -- on behalf of ALL white people -- for Vanilla Ice. I believe that we can mend our relationship and put this monstrosity behind us, but the first step is to apologize for the problem itself.
Get the FUCK outta here, you Microsoft-loving sheep. Baaa, baaa, baaa. You fucking people make me SICK. Pardon me whilst I go FUCKING PUKE. By the way Fuck off!!!
I'm racist as hell and I don't hide it. So its against the law to be racist now? Last time I checked it was freedom of expression.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
here is why linux will not have long-lasting success:
open source is no-more free speech than closed source(why can't ANYONE see this). I think it's because many people have been brain-washed by people like stallman. Think for a minute: if a developer wants to develop a piece of software for linux, they are required(whether they want to or not, to give the source away with the product).
this is not by any means "free speech". free speech is allowing closed source or open source software to be released. Corporations see linux as a good investment(ie. free software). I mean, freeware that comes out for linux is good and everything, but most are just hobbies. What corporations want is tech. support for the OS, like m$.
Here's a WILD idea: why dont we decide on a standard linux distro. We need standards....look at network protocols (like smtp,http,ftp,etc.,etc.,etc.). If no free standard was adopted, a corporation would have popularized a propr. one. Here is my view into the future: Beos will soon become mainstream, linux will stay a hobby.
this is why Beos will become more popular than linux: because whether we like it or not, Money is something we need to live. Companies will be able to release software with no source and for money(imagine that....free speech!...you can release software (with/without) source, for money,fame,or just because you want to).
people in the OSS community should practice what they preach.....
I think we should have a BNU, for businesses to charge for each time their source is used.
--------not a troll,flaimbait, just my $0.02
In this case, I must say I see where the 'big corporations' are coming from. Rap scares me too. As a previous poster said, rap is degrading at best.
Yes way. Linux is punk. It's the same reaction to a oppressive establishment
that punk was in the 1970s.
But real punk music has been around for ever. Boogie piano,
early rock'n'roll, sixties garage bands, The Stooges, The MC5,
punk, hip hop, etc... All forms of the same thing.
I always though the MC5's "Kick Out The Jams" or "The American Ruse"
should be theme songs for Linux.
Before 1990, rap music was not thought of as being as profitable as other forms of music. Why is that?
Because Vanilla Ice was still making records then.
You can check what OS a server runs (although GNU/Hurd is reported as GNU/Linux).
Just out of curiosity, what Web sites are being hosted by GNU/Hurd?
90% of the stuff that you think is hiphop, is NOT. I like to call it Hip-POP; the commercialized mainstream evolution of hiphop from the 70s and 80s. Hiphop is a CULTURE. It consists of at least 4 elements - MCing (rapping), Turntablism (DJing), B-Boying (breakdancing), and Grafitti (aerosol art). It is a positive culture. It is also an UNDERGROUND culture; e.g. very little mainstream coverage. The Roots would be a good example of a crossover from underground to mainstream, while staying true to the culture and not selling out. MCing could be considered a form or poetry to a beat; a lot of underground hiphop artists also indulge in spoken word. others prefer freestyling, where one comes up with the rhymes in 'realtime'; the better ones match syllables, or rhyme multiple syllables, etc, on the fly. Turntablism is focuses on using the turntables as a new instrument; get albums from "The Invisbl Skratch Pikles" (sp), or "X-ecutioners", and you'll probably be amazed at what can be done with those two turntables and a mixer. B-Boying is ... physical expression of the beat. it's hard to explain the vibe of a modern bboy to someone who hasn't experienced it. Graffiti is an ever evolving artform -- i'm not talking those simple tags that gangs use, i'm talking about fullblown murals that cities such as LA PAY graffiti artists to paint. Hip-pop, on the otherhand is a DISGRACE. People such as Puffy, Master P, etc etc have distorted hiphop into an evil image of its former self; focusing on wealth, power, sexism, violence, etc. the moral of this story is this. true hiphop is a respectible culture. its evil son, hip-pop, has been polluted by the meddling of mainstream corporations. (e.g. the lure of $$$). i'm sure that you all can draw a possible analogy with Linux......... anyway this is my first time posting so don't flame to to bad.
Excellent. This guy has hit the nail on the head!!!
because then it would be easier to arrest them for fraud.
Lighten up.
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
"Music" for stoopid people
"(Yes, you haven't lived until you've heard Japanese hip hop.)"
And after you have heard it do you still want to live?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
"Linux could probably be compared to just about any form of music."
Okay, I'll play along. How can Linux be compared to Beach Music? Not Surf Music, Beach Music.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Rap is for all people. You can hate the music. But to disrespect the culture and the rap fans is STUPID. You can hate the music until you die but the truth hurts.... rap can touch anyone ....even the linux community. PEACE
Hip hop is cool Linux is cool. You don't like hip hop but other do like it. Try seeing the other side of the fence.
hahaha. you ppl are on fucking crack. You think black ppl are gonna get mad at that? hah! thats some white dude getting offended. (or maybe its a real young black dude with a real bad chip on his shoulder). for some laughs for all ya young bucks http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dial ect=jive&url=http%3A%2F%2Fslashdot.org%2 Farticles%2F00%2F03%2F25%2F0836201.shtml
Hip hop is music (and I use that term reluctantly) made by, and for, urban street trash. It glamorizes violence, drugs, other criminal behaviour, and under-achievement.
Linux is not music. It has nothing to do with violence, drugs, or criminal activity, and the last time I checked it required some brain power to utilize.
Obviously there is no comparison between hip-hop and Linux.
Please stop wasting our time and go back to your crack pipe.
I am Harlem born and bred. I grew up with Hip Hop and am very disturbed with the changes in certain portions, as it has gained more crossover recognition and money.
The whole "Gangsta Rap," thing is something that I feel has been largely a success because of Corporate Funding and White people buying it. I am not saying that Black People don't buy it but most of it is bought by whites. It is disturbing to me that so many people think that this is what Hip Hop culture represents. I don't think it is but this is where the money is at. A lot of the commentary above is just sad. I didn't realize that people are really that ignorant about what Rap or Hip Hop is. I know what it is for me so I don't personally feel like I need to prove that point to anyone on this list.
If you do look at how the image of Rap has been hijacked into the Insane Lie that is most "Gangsta Rap," it might give some clues for how the Linux community could, and possibly already is being hijacked itself.
-Peace
Schwaahed
(FYI Peace is how many of us Rappers say good-bye to each other.(BTW Not everyone born in Harlem is a Rapper))
Ahh...this article takes me back to the early 1990's (not all too long ago in my mind) when we would always see these types of similarities in tha' hoods like Silicon Valley or Seattle.
I remember when my friend's laptop died. He was inconsolable for weeks. At the laptop's burial (or being "thrown into the dumpster" as we lino-thugz call it) - my friend took out his 40oz. bottle of Old English and said "peace my little homey!" - he wasted that whole $#(*$ bottle of OE on that laptop. It's hard you know...i see laptops and desktops dying every day in tha muthafuckin' hood. Apple newtons tryin' be frontin'...why some Palm V gots ta start some shit?
Whateva yo. I just be tryin' to keep it real up in this mix - cause i be rollin' in my 3.3.6
Sorry..i have to end this post now..i have to go practice my "gang" signs. ENLIGHTENMENT IN THA' MUTHA-FUCKIN' HAAAOUUUS!!!
-FluX
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Has /. really deteriorated to the point where one person (and an AC at that) can set off an entire race riot on these boards? The post was clearly a troll. There was not anything offensive at all in Signal11's comment. I think that we should all just stop arguing about race and just discuss the article.
Just my two cents anyway.
If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.
hey, i annoy the hell outta the neighbors at least twice a week by cranking up dragon ash or some remixes of hamasaki ayumi (not really hip-hop, more like house.. but anyway.. she has such a sexy voice.. *drool*)
(disclaimer: yes...I'm wonderbread) Phife dog had the word! "...forever tryin' to clear the samples for my new upbeat" When record lables started controlling sampling rights, it marked the end of an 'open source' era in Hip Hop. Before this, a musician could 'import code' from another musician's previous work......and create a new piece of art. DJ Shadow is the Elvis of this technique. In terms of software, it might be constructive to study what happened in the Rap industry...and safegaurd against a similar condition here in Open Source land. 'nuff said. Peace! :> hello moderator! p.s. To the non-believers...how can you not love this? "Brothas know the flavs when the Quest gets loose Slammin sucka fuckas like the wrestler Zeus Crazier than Tupac in that flick called Juice Cock is longer than the hat worn by Dr. Seuss Love a girl in Daisy Dukes like them kids called Deuce Gets paid to sex the hoochie like my main man Luke"
In your reply to me, you mentioned:
"Bottom line is this Music is a Business.
Hip Hop is a business. Linux is becoming
a business."
Before you continue, please wait.
Music is NOT a business. The "business" part of MUSIC is just a _tiny_ part.
I _AM_ a musician, not by trade, but by hobbie.
I play keyboards, drums, guitars and other strings instruments like violin.
Yes, I am a TRAINED musician, and music does flow in my veins.
But I never make my music a business - not because they won't sell - I am sure I can at least capture a certain portion of a local market if I try - but I just don't feel like SELLING what I love to do.
It is like what I am doing in the GPL world - in my free time, I program for fun, and just like the music I made, the code I produce I don't want to sell them. I just want to share them with the world, so I assign open up the sources, GPLed them, and let whoever wants to use it use it.
On the other hand, Hip Hop *IS* a business because those Hip Hop people - people such as you - LIKE MONEY SO MUCH YOU WILL SELL ANYTHING FOR MONEY.
You are right on one point. Linux does not have to become business - but then, if businesses want to use Linux, they are welcome to use it. Why not? Why set up any kind of restriction?
I am not a communist and I don't believe in socialism. So, I have nothing against business. If they find the thing I (and many thousands others) have done beneficial, and they want to use it (and not re-package them and re-sell them for a profit), they are welcome to do so.
The bottomline is this -
The nature of Hip Hop is NOT the same
as the one exists in Linux and other
open-source projects.
Plus, Hip Hop is NOT music.
Music are beautiful, and music has a FLOW in it.
Some of the codes for Linux and many other open-sourced projects are so beautiful, you can sense a FLOW in them.
On the other hand, Hip Hop has NO flow in
it.
Hipp Hop is NOISE, PURE LOUSY, _synthetic_
and _pretentious_ NOISE !
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !