Even though the Greens and Libertarians are opposite in core values, they end up with similar conclusions on many issues like free speech and the drug war. Since the Greens are the only 3rd party this time with a chance at getting 5% and threatening the system next time, many Libertarians (Bill Maher is a famous example) are voting Green this time to further their long term goals. All 3rd party voters should do this because a large (>5%) 3rd party is the only thing the existing parties won't just ignore.
Rabidly anti-business? Nader (and the GP, since Nader's not going to win this time) is against the DMCA, the CDA, stupid patents, and restrictions on strong encryption. Big business and the Democrats have been trying to destroy the net for the last 8 years, and things wouldn't get any better under W. You better hope a 3rd party can win sometime in the next couple of election cycles, before all the non-.com web sites are censored by mandatory V-chips in your computers!
Check out their front page... they even have separate links to their platform and the ASGP platform endorsed by Nader. Both parties support Nader and nominated him as their candidate; however, Nader only endorsed the one party's platform. Note that this is similar to the confusion between the Reform Party, which nominated Pat Buchanan, and the American Reform Party, which endorses Nader (he hasn't endorsed their platform either, of course!).
Anyway, if you're interested in the whole history of how there got to be 2 GP's in the US, search for ASGP and GP/USA on the web. The GP/USA is apparently planning to act to end the confusion, as I said in my last post.
And as has been pointed out endlessly on slashdot, greenparty.org is a different, more radical party than the green party (ASGP, at gp.org or greens.org) that Nader's running with. They're planning to give the ASGP both their name and domain name to avoid this sort of confusion in the future. Remember, Delta faucets and Delta airlines are different companies!
Who cares if a bunch of billionaires (mostly.com CEO's) endorse Gore or Bush? RMS endorses Ralph Nader, as should anybody who cares about free software and/or speech.
In this article (part of a Wired
debate on technology policy between
Nader
and Gore advisor Reed Hundt,
former chairman of the FCC during the Clinton/Gore administration), Nader speaks up about the CDA, DMCA, silly patents, and other dangers of continuing to elect corporate stooges like Gore and Bush.
Here's a great (although long) quote:
In looking at the Internet, one might also ask what has the
administration done to support the open-source movement, either
through procurement policies (very little), funding for open-source
software (not something the administration talks about) or protecting
free software developers from software patents and anticompetitive
practices targeted at the free-software movement?
In the area of corporate welfare, tax breaks and subsidies for big
corporations, there is no end to what this administration will do for the
e-commerce industry.
But when it comes to supporting an astonishing citizen movement that
is protecting the Internet from Microsoft and other would-be
monopolies and providing huge benefits to the economy, the
administration is completely inarticulate.
Yes, it's kind of annoying that a link to "hundreds of rich people (.com ceo's) endorse Gore/Bush" is posted as a story, while my pointer to a really interesting
debate on technology policy between
Nader
and Gore advisor Reed Hundt
(former chairman of the FCC during the Clinton-Gore administration) was rejected several times.
I'm glad he finally posted something about Nader, but it wasn't
Nader's best writing on the subject, and he had to qualify it with "self-promotional" as if the news stories on Bush and Gore are anything other than reprinted press releases from the campaigns!
Some of you are asking Gore technology related questions... many of these were already answered in a Wired
debate on technology policy between Green Party presidential
candidate
Ralph Nader
and Al Gore advisor Reed Hundt,
former chairman of the FCC during the Clinton-Gore administration.
Nader's latest article discusses a lot of issues close to our
(dark) hearts, including privacy regulation for e-commerce business,
and patents on 1-click shopping.
Here's a great (although long) quote:
In looking at the Internet, one might also ask what has the
administration done to support the open-source movement, either
through procurement policies (very little), funding for open-source
software (not something the administration talks about) or protecting
free software developers from software patents and anticompetitive
practices targeted at the free-software movement?
In the area of corporate welfare, tax breaks and subsidies for big
corporations, there is no end to what this administration will do for the
e-commerce industry.
But when it comes to supporting an astonishing citizen movement that
is protecting the Internet from Microsoft and other would-be
monopolies and providing huge benefits to the economy, the
administration is completely inarticulate.
I'm not sure how being in favor of small businesses, but against large monopolies and corporate lobbies (like the MPAA or RIAA) could really be called "socialist". In fact, it seems like there's very little difference between a our current situation (large corporations [mpaa], which control government [fcc], which control us [tv-watching buying machines]) and a socialist system of government (government runs large corporations, which control the everyday lives of the workers).
While the current situation has been brought about by the 2 main parties, I don't see how the libertarian ideas (i.e. allowing completely uncontrolled corporate abuse) would do anything to improve our situation.
I hate to feed trolls, but I'm replying in case you
seriously think Nader is too secretive. As if
posting his views on the campaign website or the green party platform site are being secretive! You can bet FCC-related issues won't be raised by Gore and Bush in their "debate", but fighting corporate welfare (such as giving away public airwaves to a few corporations) is Nader's main theme. In exchange for their handouts, the major networks aren't covering Nader's campaign or allowing him in the debates.
Here's a quote from the platform about the public airwaves:
As Greens, we support those who urge the public to "reclaim the public airwaves." The privatization of the broadcast airwaves - one of our most important
taxpayer assets - has caused serious deformations of our politics and culture. The basic problem is that private broadcasters control what the public owns. And in
return for free licenses to use taxpayer property, broadcasters give us a steady stream of increasingly coarse, redundant, superficial programming and, of course,
exclusively decide who says what on our public airwaves.
and another on censorship:
Although we see regular assaults on the freedoms of speech enshrined in our nation?s founding documents, we oppose censorship in the arts, media (including the
World Wide Web and Internet), and press.
I got 8 yesterday: 3 from VA Linux (sourceforge, osdn, and a regular va linux; they wouldn't give me a va linux live one because I wasn't sitting down listening to the talk), 1 java shirt from Sun, and 2 from various headhunting sites (lime green, or rasberry?), 1 from some linux magazine, and 1 from the EFF. I paid $25 for the EFF one; you can't really expect them to give away shirts and fight Jack Valenti at the same time, can you? I missed out on a helix gnome shirt (looked nice, but they ran out for the day) and a couple obnoxious companies that were making you listen to their schill before giving you anything.
Other notable schwag included BSD devil horns, a couple beer glasses from some headhunter people, a couple martini glasses from the AMD party, a flashlight from HP, a stuffed penguin from IBM, some red light/flashy pins from various companies, a couple superballs (one flashy and one with a penguin imprisoned inside), a bunch of cds (including "sounds of slashdot"... so far, I've been afraid to listen) and a cd wallet.
I've got to defend JMS here... sure, he can't admit when he makes a mistake, but would a "petty dick" spend as much time hanging out on the net with fans? Especially given the kind of shit he had to take before his newsgroup got moderated.
I wouldn't read too much into Adams' answer; if he doesn't read Pratchett, why start a pointless flamewar by making an uninformed judgement? (I guess he hadn't heard that's what/. is for!)
Fuji TV has been hostile to American fans for some time. Although shows from other Japanese networks that are rebroadcast here in SF usually have English subtitles, Fuji does not allow their shows to be subtitled. Their dramas (and Iron Chef) were subtitled for a while by local stations, until this was forbidden by Fuji's lawyers almost 2 years ago. Fuji's letter to their viewers actually implies that it's illegal to watch their shows unless you're Japanese. Fuji is really hurting all their fans in America: both Japanese people who could pick up some English vocabulary from the subtitles, and Americans like myself who are studying Japanese.
There are a couple of quotes from my boss here at UCSF. And a bit of info on the computers used (to run the gene finding programs on the public databases): 9 million dollars worth of Sun workstations. Apparently Sun was upset about not being the . in.com anymore and at least wanted to beat Compaq and Dell (whose computers are used at Celera) at something.
My daughter & I had just finished eating some chocolate chip cookies at an internet cafe & wanted to do some light reading. Because we love Steven King, we decided to browse a copy of "Riding the Bullet". The first chapter was so excellent that I asked if I could download the rest of the book. With a cute smile, the waitress said "sure, for two fifty". I said "just add it to my tab".
Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from the internet cafe, and it was $265! I looked again and remembered that I'd spent $5 for the cookies and about $10 for connect time charges. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said "eBook - $250". Boy, was I upset!!! I called the accounting department and told them that I thought the waitress had meant $2.50. But they said there was nothing they could do and that I could go pour hot grits down my paints. Therefore, for revenge, I'm emailing a copy of this book to everybody on the internet, so nobody else will be fooled by this scam again.
The ballot initiative here was led by Irvin Bos, a 59-year-old builder and manager of apartment buildings who said he had dedicated himself to fighting pornography because of an incident that occurred when he was 12 years old. He found a sexually explicit book by the roadside then and read it over and over again in the family's barn, Mr. Bos said in an interview today. When lightning struck the barn six months later, burning it down and killing the family's prize bull and best cow, Mr. Bos felt responsible.
"I just knew I had caused that barn to burn down," Mr. Bos said.
Hmm... maybe knocking over the lightning rod while wanking had something to do with it?
I tried looking up "1 2 3 4 5 6" in the encyclopedia, but it couldn't come up with any answers (I asked it for the top 30). So either their server is very incomplete, it's been slashdotted, or it was trying to calculate all possible answers before giving me back the top 30.
And of course, some of us are very interested in getting compiled Java (i.e. gcj/libjava, part of the gcc project) to work. I have contributed to this project in the past, with the hope of someday maintaining 1 set of Java libraries which I can either run in a JVM like Sun's or kaffe (for portability) or compile for my platform (for speed).
So, I would rephrase the question to something more like "JVM issues aside, what do you think of the future of Java as a language?"
Now, how about an alpha (AXP linux) port? Due to childish feuding between the Blackdown team and "Uncle George," the guy originally doing the alpha ports, there is still not a decent JDK for my lab's Linux/alpha systems. (I don't even know which side started it, just that the result is very disappointing to those of us who want the port). I'm sure Sun could clear up that problem pretty fast with some strategically applied cash. Of course, if they released their JDK as free software, somebody might do the port for them, but their license is another issue.
The same problem applies to Java code also, I think. With any case where you effectively have run time linking, the GPL does not seem to be legally violated even in cases where another closed source program depends on GPL'ed code.
Of course, RMS insists that the GPL applies even in these cases (such as plugins), but who knows if this would fly in court?
I would like to see a GPL-like (viral) license which solves this problem, and also prohibits closed source derivatives that run completely behind web servers (which don't count as distribution of the code, even though many people are running it).
I noticed that Slashcode is plugged in ANDN's latest earnings report. On the other hand, Server 51 was not mentioned... they were probably hoping to save that news for another earnings report or press release.
Slashdot Mirror
Even though the Greens and Libertarians are opposite in core values, they end up with similar conclusions on many issues like free speech and the drug war. Since the Greens are the only 3rd party this time with a chance at getting 5% and threatening the system next time, many Libertarians (Bill Maher is a famous example) are voting Green this time to further their long term goals. All 3rd party voters should do this because a large (>5%) 3rd party is the only thing the existing parties won't just ignore.
Rabidly anti-business? Nader (and the GP, since Nader's not going to win this time) is against the DMCA, the CDA, stupid patents, and restrictions on strong encryption. Big business and the Democrats have been trying to destroy the net for the last 8 years, and things wouldn't get any better under W. You better hope a 3rd party can win sometime in the next couple of election cycles, before all the non-.com web sites are censored by mandatory V-chips in your computers!
Anyway, if you're interested in the whole history of how there got to be 2 GP's in the US, search for ASGP and GP/USA on the web. The GP/USA is apparently planning to act to end the confusion, as I said in my last post.
And as has been pointed out endlessly on slashdot, greenparty.org is a different, more radical party than the green party (ASGP, at gp.org or greens.org) that Nader's running with. They're planning to give the ASGP both their name and domain name to avoid this sort of confusion in the future. Remember, Delta faucets and Delta airlines are different companies!
Since when is a TROLL moderated "interesting"? How about posting a source for that lie? You won't find it in the GP platform.
In this article (part of a Wired debate on technology policy between Nader and Gore advisor Reed Hundt, former chairman of the FCC during the Clinton/Gore administration), Nader speaks up about the CDA, DMCA, silly patents, and other dangers of continuing to elect corporate stooges like Gore and Bush.
Here's a great (although long) quote:
JMC
I'm glad he finally posted something about Nader, but it wasn't Nader's best writing on the subject, and he had to qualify it with "self-promotional" as if the news stories on Bush and Gore are anything other than reprinted press releases from the campaigns!
JMC
Nader's latest article discusses a lot of issues close to our (dark) hearts, including privacy regulation for e-commerce business, and patents on 1-click shopping.
Here's a great (although long) quote:
JMC
While the current situation has been brought about by the 2 main parties, I don't see how the libertarian ideas (i.e. allowing completely uncontrolled corporate abuse) would do anything to improve our situation.
JMC
Here's a quote from the platform about the public airwaves:
and another on censorship:
JMC
Other notable schwag included BSD devil horns, a couple beer glasses from some headhunter people, a couple martini glasses from the AMD party, a flashlight from HP, a stuffed penguin from IBM, some red light/flashy pins from various companies, a couple superballs (one flashy and one with a penguin imprisoned inside), a bunch of cds (including "sounds of slashdot"... so far, I've been afraid to listen) and a cd wallet.
JMC
"Metallica used to annoy their parents; now that they're old enough to have children they annoy their kids."
"They'll be lucky to be playing at a Holiday Inn 3 years from now. They've pissed off a lot of people."
I wouldn't read too much into Adams' answer; if he doesn't read Pratchett, why start a pointless flamewar by making an uninformed judgement? (I guess he hadn't heard that's what /. is for!)
JMC
JMC
Then we could have free love. As well as a real GPL virus.
There are a couple of quotes from my boss here at UCSF. And a bit of info on the computers used (to run the gene finding programs on the public databases): 9 million dollars worth of Sun workstations. Apparently Sun was upset about not being the . in .com anymore and at least wanted to beat Compaq and Dell (whose computers are used at Celera) at something.
JMC
Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from the internet cafe, and it was $265! I looked again and remembered that I'd spent $5 for the cookies and about $10 for connect time charges. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said "eBook - $250". Boy, was I upset!!! I called the accounting department and told them that I thought the waitress had meant $2.50. But they said there was nothing they could do and that I could go pour hot grits down my paints. Therefore, for revenge, I'm emailing a copy of this book to everybody on the internet, so nobody else will be fooled by this scam again.
"I just knew I had caused that barn to burn down," Mr. Bos said.
Hmm... maybe knocking over the lightning rod while wanking had something to do with it?
I tried looking up "1 2 3 4 5 6" in the encyclopedia, but it couldn't come up with any answers (I asked it for the top 30). So either their server is very incomplete, it's been slashdotted, or it was trying to calculate all possible answers before giving me back the top 30.
So, I would rephrase the question to something more like " JVM issues aside, what do you think of the future of Java as a language?"
JMC
JMC
When Microsoft gets split up by the DOJ, that gives us Linux zealots more proof that "free software prevents unnecessary forking."
Shouldn't that be 29.99 + 4 hours of standing in line at Fry's (x 100.00)?
Of course, RMS insists that the GPL applies even in these cases (such as plugins), but who knows if this would fly in court?
I would like to see a GPL-like (viral) license which solves this problem, and also prohibits closed source derivatives that run completely behind web servers (which don't count as distribution of the code, even though many people are running it).
JMC
I noticed that Slashcode is plugged in ANDN's latest earnings report. On the other hand, Server 51 was not mentioned... they were probably hoping to save that news for another earnings report or press release.