This looks worrying. Of course, folks have already posted about local loopback devices for avoiding having to burn a CD, but what worries me is the end-user license agreement.
In particular, note these extracts: 1. Corel LINUX is a modular operating system made up of individual software components that were created by various individuals and entities ("Software Programs"). Many of the Software Programs included in Corel LINUX are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License ("GPL") and other similar license agreements which permit You to copy, modify and redistribute the Software Programs
So that's the definition of a "Software Program". Now what about: B. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS: All right, title and interest in the Software Programs, including source code, documentation, appearance, structure and organization, are held by Corel Corporation, Corel Corporation Limited, and others and are protected by copyright and other laws.
Is that actually in keeping with the GPL?
On a totally separate thread, does anyone know what the equivalent mechanism to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is going to be, in particular, how the currently-in-development distribution is going to be mirrored, etc? Or is it all going to be relatively "stuck" stationary like RedHat / SuSE etc? (I mean, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 is very discrete. The above apt command isn't as discrete at all.)
Why not try to be a helpful chappie instead of a tosspot, anyway, and give the guy a *useful* answer rather than ranting off about something merely offensively?
Well, at least there's a bit of sense in the last two paragraphs, anyway.
I generally agree with that. I think a GPL'd browser (what's Konqueror's license like, and in KDE2?) would be a good thing, especially if it's as rock-solid as Konqueror looks at the moment (I've used 1.1.2 fairly extensively, and only found the lack of javascript a minor niggle).
To be honest, mozilla annoys me - I'm one of those who finds mozilla too slowly developed and unstable, and netscrape is getting too heavy. I can't say I'd be interested in an expensiveware browser for linux like Opera might well be, either. So Konqueror for me, whenever possible:)
Lynx? w3m is yet another GUIs-are-4-wimps browser, too:)
IIRC, it was Feynmann who had it first - in particular, he wondered, during a set of lectures, whether people weren't getting too hooked on "what we can learn from something" as distinct from appreciating that sending some satellite somewhere was in itself an achievement. It's also a perfectly valid point that you can learn quite a bit about a planet's atmosphere by pointing a spectrascope at it, by checking its albedo, etc. It's far from necessary to send some(one|thing) out there to look!
> The layout engine for Mozilla is set to have alpha channel blending -- meaning that it has the potential to properly support alpha channel transparency in png's
Yes, but (at least in M9) it *doesn't*! I got nice PNGs on my webpage, and they're just displayed as blank. (No, some pictures do come out - so it's not the 'View / Show Pictures' thing.)
One of these days, there will be lemon-flavoured alpha channel blending. But hopefully it'll remember to display them, as well.
I sort-of agree, too. Actually I think the whole "ease of use" thing has got overrated. Days were when you knew how to edit/etc/resolv.conf by hand, not tell people "use linuxconf", sort of thing. If it *works* for "us" then all to the good. Other folks might not be suited to it.
> But what do you do when you're joe schmoe, and don't have the knowledge to do it yourself?
I've recently come to realise the wisdom behind a teacher's quote at my old school.
"The man in the street? Sometimes, I wish they just left him there!".
The sensible point behind the quote is that it's not necessarily the case that having all ignorant - or I should say, unknowing - folks coming to Linux is a good thing, rather that there will be some to whom other packages are better suited. Simply because, Linux wouldn't be Linux with that sort of market-awareness: the whole thing could go down the pan pretty fast, as it hits the increasingly-commercial arena.
Where are the geeks yelling 'let's keep linux free!'? (Apart from me, that is:)
I'm certain someone does trawl/. for email addresses. I never had any spam to speak of at netscape.net and now I'm on here, it all starts flooding in. Yes, it's a spam trap, and yes, it gets used, and no, I'd never *ever* stoop so low as to use a M$loth-provided webmail service as evil as hotmail, even as a spam trap. So I guess they're welcome to do whatever they like with it, by me!
That's inefficient and false, sorry. You might as well save a process and do less/var/spool/mail/$USER but even then, I could get paranoid about less over more as far as "potential for unknown bugs" (maybe in the form of buffer overruns, whatever) goes.
And you touch on the biggest problem anyway - why don't you offer support for attachments ("you're on your own at that point")?;)
It is a very similar situation to mp3. MP3 is a free format that the entertainment industry want to stifle, as is the now-cracked-DVD scene.
The reason it appeals to folks is that he's the first of hopefully many others to do it - a pioneer. If it gets stamped down on now through all these fsckwit lawyers and their trumped-up Intellectual Property arguments, then something good and fun will be missed out on.
What. the sort of attitude that finds a broken box to install OpenBSD on, complains when things go wrong and doesn't know about a) Debian's package management b) the 'cruft' utility on the Linux scene?
D'oh.
And as for this: I simply LOVE the way that OpenBSD sends root a daily listing of all the file permissions changed and actual diffs of the configuration files in/etc.... One way or another I need to have this functionality on my Linux servers.
So why the heck doesn't he write the same thing and shut up about it? A quick perl or even shell script involving find, diff, sum (md5sum) should easily suffice and could probably be knocked up in under 5 minutes flat.
It is *not* "Linux's fault" that no distro either he or I know about do this as standard (and his review would be wrong in giving this impression): it's also not something that should come "with linux" so that as you open the box, the whole sodding lego falls out just the way you want it to work; it's something that needs implementing and filing away under an appropriate section of Freshmeat. And then you educate the folks who'll be using - nae, administering!- these boxes to USE freshmeat properly!
If there's one thing I've always seen the 'Net as immune from, it's the idea of "war" ever hitting it. From the first day I ever posted to Usenet, there's only ever been talk of "flames", not of "getting my government to employ me to hack yours" or anything.
Thought: some people think there's more to a "website" than a collection of HTTP-delivered objects, particularly HTML, gifs and jpegs. (The idea of "page layout" as distinct from content, where the object of the page is to/do/ things rather than view them, comes in here.) A lot of "hacked site" reports are basically graffiti of index.html files. At what level does the idea of "cyber warfare" fit in with this?
ISTM it's all talk of "warfare" and "targetting" and "computers" and "websites" and "guidelines" and all sorts of crap, but nothing actually interesting about how or what might be done.
Anyone remember having Computer Usage Guidelines at University?;)
Out of interest, why is the (US) government getting involved in the geek world a necessarily-bad thing, especially if the decisions are coming out favourably as this would appear to be?
Analogy agreed. I think if there's one telling phrase in Gates' response, it's this: You can walk into any computer store and see the results.
And therein lies the problem. You don't go down to your local Tiny or Wal-mart (I gather you Americans will understand the latter;) and see a nice mix of alternative OSs, clueful staff, even clueful customers: you see One OS, No Brains.
M$loth's efforts have not been in order to enhance the community's *computing* experience, merely their own wallets.
I am surprised that they [apache] do not get more mass media recognition. Can anyone see any obvious reasons why Linux gets so much more attention than Apache?
Possibly because linux is "not microsoft" while apache is merely "not IIS"?
I don't think there's that much need for Apache-mania, anyway. In fact, I like the way everyone in their right minds knows to go to Apache if they want remotely decent web serving, without having to make a song and a dance out of it!
What I meant was: I heard it on local radio some years ago (before 1995; it must be true!) that doctors in Australia had identified a problem amongst users of mobile phones. The mysterious neck ailment was apparently not caused by the phone, however, but by users turning round to make sure someone was *watching* them use them;)
just because one of his kids liked to draw belly buttons on her pictures
Apparently, over here in the UK, kids' drawings/can/ be analysed by psychologists and are used in (particualrly primary) schools for spotting early signs of abuse at home. But at least we realise that it's only a sign, I think that's where a difference comes in.
The problem with (post-) Columbine reactions is the f*cking LUDICROUS escalation from one kid's story to national newspaper and jail, etc. If the teacher requests "a scary story" then the results are/her/ fault. There is a sizeable inconsistency between the implied age where someone would write a horror story that scares the establishment IRL, and someone who can still get 100% for putting obscenities and misspelling stuff in the story - I mean, "pissed off" pisses me off, "acssedently" would be permissible younger than required for it to be scary, IMO.
I object to the idea that "School killings... invariably involve emotionally-disturbed adolescent white males with access to lethal weapons.", on racist grounds. There is *no* racial prerogative for school attacks / killings.
Settling on the same binary format as.rpm wouldn't be wise, certainly calling it.rpm as wel - after all we have enough confusion with folks installing RedHat RPMs on SuSE installations and occasionally vice-versa, as it is. Throwing.deb into the same melee wouldn't make it such a good key differentiator.
And let's not forget that Debian can use / create / manipulate RPM files along with the rest of them, using alien (and the others can use.deb's, too!)
Not even windoze has only one installation package format....exe or.zip, InstallShield is only one tool out of many; take your pick according to what you like and what works best and is most flexible! (Says me, knowing that Debian will win in the end...;)
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Me, I hope if goes further than the desktop idea altogether. Roll on the Metaverse from SnowCrash!:)
Actually, I was wondering if CORBA was an appropriate vehicle to start implementing such a thing. A proper 3D environment (read: window manager level) might also be useful. Now for some networking and graphical *speed*!
If it does the sizing, it is doing positioning. It's also responsible for choosing how to draw borders around windows, so doing angled lines shouldn't be that hard.
But what next? Instead of "autoraise" timing, will there be a "flyby" setting so that you point at it and it goes flying past your head?
If people start using that thing that blows holes in windows in X apps, it'd be at least one step closer to my dream of having a quake-like interface as a WM. Imagine that set up like an office - whiteboards for knotes, and when the manager walks in...;)
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This looks worrying. Of course, folks have already posted about local loopback devices for avoiding having to burn a CD, but what worries me is the end-user license agreement.
In particular, note these extracts:
1. Corel LINUX is a modular operating system made up of individual software components that were created by various individuals and entities ("Software Programs"). Many of the Software Programs included in Corel LINUX are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License ("GPL") and other similar license agreements which permit You to copy, modify and redistribute the Software Programs
So that's the definition of a "Software Program". Now what about:
B. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS:
All right, title and interest in the Software Programs, including source code, documentation, appearance, structure and organization, are held by Corel Corporation, Corel Corporation Limited, and others and are protected by copyright and other laws.
Is that actually in keeping with the GPL?
On a totally separate thread, does anyone know what the equivalent mechanism to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is going to be, in particular, how the currently-in-development distribution is going to be mirrored, etc? Or is it all going to be relatively "stuck" stationary like RedHat / SuSE etc? (I mean, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 is very discrete. The above apt command isn't as discrete at all.)
If you can't spell "FOAD", don't try saying it.
Why not try to be a helpful chappie instead of a tosspot, anyway, and give the guy a *useful* answer rather than ranting off about something merely offensively?
Well, at least there's a bit of sense in the last two paragraphs, anyway.
I generally agree with that.
:)
:)
I think a GPL'd browser (what's Konqueror's license like, and in KDE2?) would be a good thing, especially if it's as rock-solid as Konqueror looks at the moment (I've used 1.1.2 fairly extensively, and only found the lack of javascript a minor niggle).
To be honest, mozilla annoys me - I'm one of those who finds mozilla too slowly developed and unstable, and netscrape is getting too heavy. I can't say I'd be interested in an expensiveware browser for linux like Opera might well be, either. So Konqueror for me, whenever possible
Lynx? w3m is yet another GUIs-are-4-wimps browser, too
Your point is not original :)
IIRC, it was Feynmann who had it first - in particular, he wondered, during a set of lectures, whether people weren't getting too hooked on "what we can learn from something" as distinct from appreciating that sending some satellite somewhere was in itself an achievement.
It's also a perfectly valid point that you can learn quite a bit about a planet's atmosphere by pointing a spectrascope at it, by checking its albedo, etc. It's far from necessary to send some(one|thing) out there to look!
> The layout engine for Mozilla is set to have alpha channel blending -- meaning that it has the potential to properly support alpha channel transparency in png's
Yes, but (at least in M9) it *doesn't*!
I got nice PNGs on my webpage, and they're just displayed as blank. (No, some pictures do come out - so it's not the 'View / Show Pictures' thing.)
One of these days, there will be lemon-flavoured alpha channel blending. But hopefully it'll remember to display them, as well.
Sorry, that definition doesn't win. Your idea of a browser is being applied across-OSs therefore it's invalid.
Even worse still, I'm sure you can find 10k people who think "windows 98" incl. GUI is an OS, not a cockup^Wapplication...
I sort-of agree, too. /etc/resolv.conf by hand, not tell people "use linuxconf", sort of thing.
Actually I think the whole "ease of use" thing has got overrated. Days were when you knew how to edit
If it *works* for "us" then all to the good. Other folks might not be suited to it.
> But what do you do when you're joe schmoe, and don't have the knowledge to do it yourself?
:)
I've recently come to realise the wisdom behind a teacher's quote at my old school.
"The man in the street? Sometimes, I wish they just left him there!".
The sensible point behind the quote is that it's not necessarily the case that having all ignorant - or I should say, unknowing - folks coming to Linux is a good thing, rather that there will be some to whom other packages are better suited. Simply because, Linux wouldn't be Linux with that sort of market-awareness: the whole thing could go down the pan pretty fast, as it hits the increasingly-commercial arena.
Where are the geeks yelling 'let's keep linux free!'? (Apart from me, that is
But... What use is a slashdot category, if slashdot itself is outlawed? ;)
Actually, I think it might well be a good idea, as long as it doesn't open andover.net to claims of conflict with the patents themselves...
I'm certain someone does trawl /. for email addresses. I never had any spam to speak of at netscape.net and now I'm on here, it all starts flooding in. Yes, it's a spam trap, and yes, it gets used, and no, I'd never *ever* stoop so low as to use a M$loth-provided webmail service as evil as hotmail, even as a spam trap.
So I guess they're welcome to do whatever they like with it, by me!
Yes, it's possible. Check Freshmeat and do a search for 'virus'.
You'll find links to the Daemons/Anti-Virus section come up...
That's inefficient and false, sorry. /var/spool/mail/$USER
;)
You might as well save a process and do
less
but even then, I could get paranoid about less over more as far as "potential for unknown bugs" (maybe in the form of buffer overruns, whatever) goes.
And you touch on the biggest problem anyway - why don't you offer support for attachments ("you're on your own at that point")?
It is a very similar situation to mp3. MP3 is a free format that the entertainment industry want to stifle, as is the now-cracked-DVD scene.
The reason it appeals to folks is that he's the first of hopefully many others to do it - a pioneer. If it gets stamped down on now through all these fsckwit lawyers and their trumped-up Intellectual Property arguments, then something good and fun will be missed out on.
What. the sort of attitude that finds a broken box to install OpenBSD on, complains when things go wrong and doesn't know about
/etc. ... One way or another I need to have this functionality on my Linux servers.
a) Debian's package management
b) the 'cruft' utility
on the Linux scene?
D'oh.
And as for this:
I simply LOVE the way that OpenBSD sends root a daily listing of all the file permissions changed and actual diffs of the configuration files in
So why the heck doesn't he write the same thing and shut up about it? A quick perl or even shell script involving find, diff, sum (md5sum) should easily suffice and could probably be knocked up in under 5 minutes flat.
It is *not* "Linux's fault" that no distro either he or I know about do this as standard (and his review would be wrong in giving this impression): it's also not something that should come "with linux" so that as you open the box, the whole sodding lego falls out just the way you want it to work; it's something that needs implementing and filing away under an appropriate section of Freshmeat. And then you educate the folks who'll be using - nae, administering!- these boxes to USE freshmeat properly!
If there's one thing I've always seen the 'Net as immune from, it's the idea of "war" ever hitting it. From the first day I ever posted to Usenet, there's only ever been talk of "flames", not of "getting my government to employ me to hack yours" or anything.
/do/ things rather than view them, comes in here.) A lot of "hacked site" reports are basically graffiti of index.html files.
;)
Thought: some people think there's more to a "website" than a collection of HTTP-delivered objects, particularly HTML, gifs and jpegs. (The idea of "page layout" as distinct from content, where the object of the page is to
At what level does the idea of "cyber warfare" fit in with this?
ISTM it's all talk of "warfare" and "targetting" and "computers" and "websites" and "guidelines" and all sorts of crap, but nothing actually interesting about how or what might be done.
Anyone remember having Computer Usage Guidelines at University?
Out of interest, why is the (US) government getting involved in the geek world a necessarily-bad thing, especially if the decisions are coming out favourably as this would appear to be?
Analogy agreed. I think if there's one telling phrase in Gates' response, it's this:
;) and see a nice mix of alternative OSs, clueful staff, even clueful customers: you see One OS, No Brains.
You can walk into any computer store and see the results.
And therein lies the problem. You don't go down to your local Tiny or Wal-mart (I gather you Americans will understand the latter
M$loth's efforts have not been in order to enhance the community's *computing* experience, merely their own wallets.
I am surprised that they [apache] do not get more mass media recognition. Can anyone see any obvious reasons why Linux gets so much more attention than Apache?
Possibly because linux is "not microsoft" while apache is merely "not IIS"?
I don't think there's that much need for Apache-mania, anyway. In fact, I like the way everyone in their right minds knows to go to Apache if they want remotely decent web serving, without having to make a song and a dance out of it!
Erm, yeah. I have, erm... what's that number after one... two, in fact ;)
:)
No, the real problem was using Konqueror as a browser (kfm) to post an article with a broken < in it rather than < or something like that. Woops
Sorry folks, something got lost there.
;)
What I meant was: I heard it on local radio some years ago (before 1995; it must be true!) that doctors in Australia had identified a problem amongst users of mobile phones. The mysterious neck ailment was apparently not caused by the phone, however, but by users turning round to make sure someone was *watching* them use them
I heard it on local radio many years ago (watching them use them :)
just because one of his kids liked to draw belly buttons on her pictures
/can/ be analysed by psychologists and are used in (particualrly primary) schools for spotting early signs of abuse at home. But at least we realise that it's only a sign, I think that's where a difference comes in.
/her/ fault.
... invariably involve emotionally-disturbed adolescent white males with access to lethal weapons.", on racist grounds. There is *no* racial prerogative for school attacks / killings.
Apparently, over here in the UK, kids' drawings
The problem with (post-) Columbine reactions is the f*cking LUDICROUS escalation from one kid's story to national newspaper and jail, etc. If the teacher requests "a scary story" then the results are
There is a sizeable inconsistency between the implied age where someone would write a horror story that scares the establishment IRL, and someone who can still get 100% for putting obscenities and misspelling stuff in the story - I mean, "pissed off" pisses me off, "acssedently" would be permissible younger than required for it to be scary, IMO.
I object to the idea that "School killings
Settling on the same binary format as .rpm wouldn't be wise, certainly calling it .rpm as wel - after all we have enough confusion with folks installing RedHat RPMs on SuSE installations and occasionally vice-versa, as it is. Throwing .deb into the same melee wouldn't make it such a good key differentiator.
.deb's, too!)
.exe or .zip, InstallShield is only one tool out of many; take your pick according to what you like and what works best and is most flexible! (Says me, knowing that Debian will win in the end... ;)
And let's not forget that Debian can use / create / manipulate RPM files along with the rest of them, using alien (and the others can use
Not even windoze has only one installation package format...
Me, I hope if goes further than the desktop idea altogether. Roll on the Metaverse from SnowCrash! :)
Actually, I was wondering if CORBA was an appropriate vehicle to start implementing such a thing. A proper 3D environment (read: window manager level) might also be useful. Now for some networking and graphical *speed*!
If it does the sizing, it is doing positioning. It's also responsible for choosing how to draw borders around windows, so doing angled lines shouldn't be that hard.
;)
But what next? Instead of "autoraise" timing, will there be a "flyby" setting so that you point at it and it goes flying past your head?
If people start using that thing that blows holes in windows in X apps, it'd be at least one step closer to my dream of having a quake-like interface as a WM.
Imagine that set up like an office - whiteboards for knotes, and when the manager walks in...