Not sure why this should be a driver at a college, but there are of course plenty of Java web service implementations out there, including the Apache SOAP, UDDI and WSDL implementations that have reference status in the industry. If you want an advanced but friendly IDE for building Web Services in Java try WebLogic Workshop. I believe IBM WebSphere Studio and Borland JBuilder can also do wizard-like WS development.
Serendipitously, tonight's Dead Ringers radio show had the revived Doctor [John Culshaw doing his flawless Tom Baker] "fitting in to current BBC schedules" by, you guessed it, doing a makeover on somebody's house. The Daleks got to prepare a souffle in the kitchen - cue built-in egg whisk joke.
Not exactly hysterical to be honest, but the really dedicated can seek it out here when it appears tomorrow (fast forward to about 5 mins before end). Somewhat more amusing are the baffled recipients of Dr Who prank phone calls, as someone else posted.
Quite so - the monoculture argument is a red herring.
But Longhorn will ship with a secure code environment (Dotnet), where, as with Java, potential security flaws such as the use of pointers or unchecked code have been eliminated.
Meanwhile, Linux will be staggering on with C/C++. There's good reason to fear that then the shoe will be firmly on the other foot.
I was hoping to be among the first to express humble thanks for the opinions that you have deigned to share with us in this forum, but on examination they do not appear to be worth a great deal.
1. The existence of thousands of trivial software patents is not disputed by either side. The only reason that these have not greatly restricted industry so far is that they are not generally enforced.
2. Stac Electronics was large enough to retain a substantial legal team - this is the barrier to which critics refer. The relative size of Stac and MS which you regard as some kind of determining factor is irrelevant.
3. The actions of the European Confederation of Associations of Small and Medium-sized Enterprises, representing 500,000 businesses, appear to have escaped your notice. I believe that if you are able to devote sufficient energy to appraising yourself of the contents of their press release, your scepticism regarding their position will be found baseless.
I am mystified as to what debate you could have been following that led you to conclude that the anti software patent position was "laughed out of Parliament", or indeed what instance of "demagoguery" you feel you have identified in this forum.
Whatever you may be referring to, the conclusion of today's EuroParl debate is now there for all to see - may I suggest that you avail yourself of the opportunity to read it?
Companies won't innovate when every guy on the corner of the street can copy the feature without copying it [assume: infringing].
So there wasn't any innovation in IT until software patents were allowed? Interesting. What year would you say the industry started innovating, as a matter of interest?
Have you found that all Oracle datatypes were supported in your Perl DB driver? They weren't when I last used it. And forget trying to catch deadlock or timeout exceptions consistently and concisely.
In fact, the quality and completeness of common JDBC drivers is probably one of Java's biggest assets.
Java generally runs pretty quickly these days - can you point to a benchmark we can try? The Jikes and Borland compilers are very quick - did you try either of those? And JDK 1.4 has full regexp functions, if that was what you were missing from Perl.
Arlene McCarthy proposed this legislation and is responsible for drafting it. She cannot in any sense be described as taking an anti-patent position. On this basis, the "uninformed opinion" award goes to the parent.
You do realise that to regret something is not the same as to apologise? I don't see from where you are inferring all this stuff about the behaviour of EPP members.
Malcolm HARBOUR (EPP-ED, West Midlands) stated that patents played an indispensable role in making the EU the most dynamic knowledge based economy in the world. Patents, he said, help to stimulate investment and encourage invention. Protecting genuine invention and creativity would help business to develop products that people want to buy.
My impression from this (admittedly brief) note is that even the most aged and out-of-touch members of the (British) House of Lords would have managed a more coherent debate on this. Still, it's not gone all the megacorps' way.
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Yes, but there's a mention of "decapitating Catholics". Oo-er.
Whatever that is a reference to, it can't be to the English Civil War.
The civil war was between the Puritan, Parliamentary Roundheads and the "High Anglican" Royalist Cavaliers - both wacko strands of Protestantism.
There were (external) Catholic sympathies and alliances involved (along with a bunch of other confused fears and motivations) but the bottom line is that there weren't enough Catholics in England to have much of a fight with (about 10 to 20 thousand), and most of the (considerable) blood-letting involved the rest of the population.
Wasn't it Saxe-Coburg-Gotha? I believe that, due to a bug in the Hanoverian law of succession, Queen Vic failed to inherit the Duchy of Hanover, a traditionally British part of Europe, which was then obliged to become German.
Hopefully the Queen runs SuSE Linux in honour of her roots, man.
I'll wager that Slashdot editors have never heard of the Rhineland, and never tasted a Reisling, or Queen Victoria's favourite "Hock" (Hochheim), so a news item from "Rheinland-Pfalz" is probably as foreign-sounding as one from Turkmenistan. In fact, I doubt if they could pronounce Rheinland-Pfalz without spitting on you.
Er, no. These names have been in use for hundreds of years and are the correct English terms as used by the authorities in the regions concerned.
It sounds to me rather as though you (and the/. editors) are displaying your lack of historical knowledge. I would hope that educated English speakers would know that Prince Albert was Duke of Saxony, that Gutenberg's printing press was in the Rhineland etc.
The last UK Europarl election was on June 10 1999.
If you are on the electoral roll you will get a ballot card for all elections at all levels. If you are not sure whether you are registered, fill out the Electoral Commission form and send it to your local registry.
There is nothing special about Euro elections as far as registration/notification is concerned.
I'm not sure I follow your other concerns - can you elucidate?
That memo is pretty old (2 years?). Anyway, it predates JDK 1.4.
And if you don't like the Sun Linux JVM (both JIT compilers?) you can choose the IBM or BEA ones.
And it seems quite suitable for desktop applications on my box (1GHz 512MB). Let us know what you think of ThinkFree, JxProject, JBuilder (and C++BuilderX;-) ) when you've tried them.
Sounds like where Autonomy were 3 years ago to be honest. They had a demo where typical Office-style activities were monitored, linked and categorized automatically, meaning that when you went back to an email or similar, relevant local documents appeared as links on the side as a kind of semantic web, or you could search based on criteria as you mention, or you could get it to digest large docs and present you with a summary.
More impressive still was a CNN feed going into a speech recognition engine - as someone was talking, references to web and local documents came up on the subjects mentioned. Quite spooky.
Just saw Monty Python Autobiography by the Pythons in my local bookstore (London) and, well, it's certainly big. From the same people that brought out the equally massive Beatles tome a couple of years ago. Looks quite good - about 1000 photos they say, but text mostly for serious cases who won't be too bored by the details of early 60s "light ent". Just in time for Xmas, coincidentally.
Sounds great. Unfortunately, while you might be convinced that DotGNU is innovative and different from Dotnet, the DotGNU web site conveys precisely the opposite impression.
The key issue is of course the extent to which innovation is constrained by the need to stay compatible with MS. If DotGNU is no longer advertised as a clone but as a unique and advanced synthesis of Dotnet, Java etc. then I've no doubt that the project would gain a lot more support. (Though this would align the objectives with those of Parrot so much that people would wonder why there were two generic VM projects).
Bottom line is that the project needs to be clear about its objectives. In particular, it should lose the promise of total DotNET compatibility, not just because it is unrealistic but because it implies a level of indirect MS control over technical direction to which potential contributors would object.
Personally I will follow the progress of DotGNU with interest and if these objections are addressed will be happy to consider getting involved.
It's just a protocol, HTTP for humans if you like.
If you read Jane Austen, you'll notice that in 1800 it was considered unacceptably rude to attempt to communicate with someone without being introduced. For better or worse, polite society did not quite extend into the internet age;-)
The government is only having to step in because the net has failed to support the kind of trust relationships that would allow it to be self-regulating, so it has set a baseline.
Expect to see more legislation of this type as long as the net continues to be an anarchy.
For the benefit of those considering using this stuff today, it's worth pointing out that the status of Windows Forms on DotGNU is roughly the same as the status of ADO.NET on DotGNU and ASP.NET on DotGNU. In other words, Not There Yet, and as the Mono people found out, not likely to ever be there fully without implementing the bulk of the Win32 API via WINE.
Sometimes it's better just to be honest with people about what you can deliver. Claiming to have cloned Dotnet will gain a lot of headlines, but delivering 40% of the APIs does not deliver 40% of the value. Instead, nearly all large applications remain tied to Dotnet and the whole effort degenerates into a minor-league training and marketing exercise for Microsoft.
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Knee-jerk moderators out in force I see. I suggest posting in the morning when they're in bed ;-)
Web services? OK...
Not sure why this should be a driver at a college, but there are of course plenty of Java web service implementations out there, including the Apache SOAP, UDDI and WSDL implementations that have reference status in the industry. If you want an advanced but friendly IDE for building Web Services in Java try WebLogic Workshop. I believe IBM WebSphere Studio and Borland JBuilder can also do wizard-like WS development.
- Windows loses out because of the IDE support in Linux 2.6.
- Linux 2.6 loses out because of WinFS and Dotnet in Windows.
Take your time. We've got plenty of it, haven't we?Serendipitously, tonight's Dead Ringers radio show had the revived Doctor [John Culshaw doing his flawless Tom Baker] "fitting in to current BBC schedules" by, you guessed it, doing a makeover on somebody's house. The Daleks got to prepare a souffle in the kitchen - cue built-in egg whisk joke.
Not exactly hysterical to be honest, but the really dedicated can seek it out here when it appears tomorrow (fast forward to about 5 mins before end). Somewhat more amusing are the baffled recipients of Dr Who prank phone calls, as someone else posted.
Quite so - the monoculture argument is a red herring.
But Longhorn will ship with a secure code environment (Dotnet), where, as with Java, potential security flaws such as the use of pointers or unchecked code have been eliminated.
Meanwhile, Linux will be staggering on with C/C++. There's good reason to fear that then the shoe will be firmly on the other foot.
I was hoping to be among the first to express humble thanks for the opinions that you have deigned to share with us in this forum, but on examination they do not appear to be worth a great deal.
1. The existence of thousands of trivial software patents is not disputed by either side. The only reason that these have not greatly restricted industry so far is that they are not generally enforced.
2. Stac Electronics was large enough to retain a substantial legal team - this is the barrier to which critics refer. The relative size of Stac and MS which you regard as some kind of determining factor is irrelevant.
3. The actions of the European Confederation of Associations of Small and Medium-sized Enterprises, representing 500,000 businesses, appear to have escaped your notice. I believe that if you are able to devote sufficient energy to appraising yourself of the contents of their press release, your scepticism regarding their position will be found baseless.
I am mystified as to what debate you could have been following that led you to conclude that the anti software patent position was "laughed out of Parliament", or indeed what instance of "demagoguery" you feel you have identified in this forum.
Whatever you may be referring to, the conclusion of today's EuroParl debate is now there for all to see - may I suggest that you avail yourself of the opportunity to read it?
Companies won't innovate when every guy on the corner of the street can copy the feature without copying it [assume: infringing].
So there wasn't any innovation in IT until software patents were allowed? Interesting. What year would you say the industry started innovating, as a matter of interest?
There are few exact synonyms in the English language and Roget's has certainly never pretended to identify them.
Try looking up the word "Thesaurus" in a dictionary.
Really?
Have you found that all Oracle datatypes were supported in your Perl DB driver? They weren't when I last used it. And forget trying to catch deadlock or timeout exceptions consistently and concisely.
In fact, the quality and completeness of common JDBC drivers is probably one of Java's biggest assets.
Java generally runs pretty quickly these days - can you point to a benchmark we can try? The Jikes and Borland compilers are very quick - did you try either of those? And JDK 1.4 has full regexp functions, if that was what you were missing from Perl.
Arlene McCarthy proposed this legislation and is responsible for drafting it. She cannot in any sense be described as taking an anti-patent position. On this basis, the "uninformed opinion" award goes to the parent.
You do realise that to regret something is not the same as to apologise? I don't see from where you are inferring all this stuff about the behaviour of EPP members.
Malcolm HARBOUR (EPP-ED, West Midlands) stated that patents played an indispensable role in making the EU the most dynamic knowledge based economy in the world. Patents, he said, help to stimulate investment and encourage invention. Protecting genuine invention and creativity would help business to develop products that people want to buy.
Needless to say, this guy has a page to himself on the FFII site.
My impression from this (admittedly brief) note is that even the most aged and out-of-touch members of the (British) House of Lords would have managed a more coherent debate on this. Still, it's not gone all the megacorps' way.
Yes, but there's a mention of "decapitating Catholics". Oo-er.
Whatever that is a reference to, it can't be to the English Civil War.
The civil war was between the Puritan, Parliamentary Roundheads and the "High Anglican" Royalist Cavaliers - both wacko strands of Protestantism.
There were (external) Catholic sympathies and alliances involved (along with a bunch of other confused fears and motivations) but the bottom line is that there weren't enough Catholics in England to have much of a fight with (about 10 to 20 thousand), and most of the (considerable) blood-letting involved the rest of the population.
Wasn't it Saxe-Coburg-Gotha? I believe that, due to a bug in the Hanoverian law of succession, Queen Vic failed to inherit the Duchy of Hanover, a traditionally British part of Europe, which was then obliged to become German.
Hopefully the Queen runs SuSE Linux in honour of her roots, man.
Exactly so.
I'll wager that Slashdot editors have never heard of the Rhineland, and never tasted a Reisling, or Queen Victoria's favourite "Hock" (Hochheim), so a news item from "Rheinland-Pfalz" is probably as foreign-sounding as one from Turkmenistan. In fact, I doubt if they could pronounce Rheinland-Pfalz without spitting on you.
Er, no. These names have been in use for hundreds of years and are the correct English terms as used by the authorities in the regions concerned.
/. editors) are displaying your lack of historical knowledge. I would hope that educated English speakers would know that Prince Albert was Duke of Saxony, that Gutenberg's printing press was in the Rhineland etc.
;-) )
It sounds to me rather as though you (and the
For reference, here's a Rhineland tourism page, and a note on Pomerania (wow, it's real place!
Which? Impolite to translate or not to translate?
Alternatively, in English:
;-)
Rheinland-Pfalz => Rhineland Palatinate
Niedersachsen => Lower Saxony
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern => Mecklenburg and Western Pomerania
Next you'll be spelling Hanover with two ns
Euro elections are held every 5 years.
The last UK Europarl election was on June 10 1999.
If you are on the electoral roll you will get a ballot card for all elections at all levels. If you are not sure whether you are registered, fill out the Electoral Commission form and send it to your local registry.
There is nothing special about Euro elections as far as registration/notification is concerned.
I'm not sure I follow your other concerns - can you elucidate?
That memo is pretty old (2 years?). Anyway, it predates JDK 1.4.
;-) ) when you've tried them.
And if you don't like the Sun Linux JVM (both JIT compilers?) you can choose the IBM or BEA ones.
And it seems quite suitable for desktop applications on my box (1GHz 512MB). Let us know what you think of ThinkFree, JxProject, JBuilder (and C++BuilderX
Sounds like where Autonomy were 3 years ago to be honest. They had a demo where typical Office-style activities were monitored, linked and categorized automatically, meaning that when you went back to an email or similar, relevant local documents appeared as links on the side as a kind of semantic web, or you could search based on criteria as you mention, or you could get it to digest large docs and present you with a summary.
More impressive still was a CNN feed going into a speech recognition engine - as someone was talking, references to web and local documents came up on the subjects mentioned. Quite spooky.
Just saw Monty Python Autobiography by the Pythons in my local bookstore (London) and, well, it's certainly big. From the same people that brought out the equally massive Beatles tome a couple of years ago. Looks quite good - about 1000 photos they say, but text mostly for serious cases who won't be too bored by the details of early 60s "light ent". Just in time for Xmas, coincidentally.
Sounds great. Unfortunately, while you might be convinced that DotGNU is innovative and different from Dotnet, the DotGNU web site conveys precisely the opposite impression.
The key issue is of course the extent to which innovation is constrained by the need to stay compatible with MS. If DotGNU is no longer advertised as a clone but as a unique and advanced synthesis of Dotnet, Java etc. then I've no doubt that the project would gain a lot more support. (Though this would align the objectives with those of Parrot so much that people would wonder why there were two generic VM projects).
Bottom line is that the project needs to be clear about its objectives. In particular, it should lose the promise of total DotNET compatibility, not just because it is unrealistic but because it implies a level of indirect MS control over technical direction to which potential contributors would object.
Personally I will follow the progress of DotGNU with interest and if these objections are addressed will be happy to consider getting involved.
It's just a protocol, HTTP for humans if you like.
;-)
If you read Jane Austen, you'll notice that in 1800 it was considered unacceptably rude to attempt to communicate with someone without being introduced. For better or worse, polite society did not quite extend into the internet age
The government is only having to step in because the net has failed to support the kind of trust relationships that would allow it to be self-regulating, so it has set a baseline.
Expect to see more legislation of this type as long as the net continues to be an anarchy.
For the benefit of those considering using this stuff today, it's worth pointing out that the status of Windows Forms on DotGNU is roughly the same as the status of ADO.NET on DotGNU and ASP.NET on DotGNU. In other words, Not There Yet, and as the Mono people found out, not likely to ever be there fully without implementing the bulk of the Win32 API via WINE.
Sometimes it's better just to be honest with people about what you can deliver. Claiming to have cloned Dotnet will gain a lot of headlines, but delivering 40% of the APIs does not deliver 40% of the value. Instead, nearly all large applications remain tied to Dotnet and the whole effort degenerates into a minor-league training and marketing exercise for Microsoft.