It's a matter of freedom. Total freedom. A lot of people seem to have the view of "Keep the internet totally open, except where that conflicts with my ideals!" I have no problem with someone using a blackhole list to control access to their personal servers, or even a network admin who has verified that all (or at least a very significant majority) of the users want such blocking in place. When the admins bother to poll the users, the question tends to be worded such to extract the desired result ("We can implement measures that will reduce the amount of spam on the network. Do you want us to do this?"). The user answers in the affirmative while being unaware of the potential ethical issues involved.
Also, a major point Lessig made in the article you linked is the unaccountability of the people compiling these lists. There have already been abuses. Quite simply, it's part of the vigilante mindset that this comes from. Some people can remain totally objective, but most cannot.
All things considered, Lessig appears to be significantly less self-contradicting than many people I've spoken with who support blackhole lists.
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Let's say you're a network admin at a large broadband ISP. Code Red is bringing the network to its knees. Despite media attention over the few weeks now that Code Red has been out there, thousands of machines on your network are still infected. Something has to be done to make the network stable again. Do you:
A) Start scanning every IP on your network to look for servers running IIS, thus generating a huge list that you now have to put into a router as an access list, and keep updating those servers change IPs, not to mention deal with calls from users that have figured out that the blocking is not total and want their host unblocked, or
B) Make one big general rule that kills all inbound traffic on port 80
The first solution, while significantly more friendly to the users, is a recipe for a support nightmare.
I remember hearing about a lawsuit a while back, some law student that had a disorder that made it impossible to finish the bar exam within the allowed time. Kinda scary when you think that most lawyers are paid by the hour. I sure as hell wouldn't hire him.
It's patented technology. They can control the use of the technology for the duration of the patent. At least this is a better patent than most of the crap software patents we've seen lately.
The second page has a name and a signature. And I'm sure that if the NetBSD project decides to respond directly, they can call the number on the letterhead and find out how to get in touch with that person.
The FSF's views on selling software are childishly innocent and trusting of society. When redistribution is essentially unrestricted, you have an essentially infinite supply of the product. Infinite supply means that demand no longer affects the price...and the price drops to zero. We already see this with proprietary software...many people pirate Windows, Photoshop, whatever on a regular basis. The only time most people will bother to pay up is when threatened with legal action. If the license allows unrestricted redistribution, that club is not there. The only people who will pay for free software (meaning just the software, not any services/documentation/whatever) will be those who want to support the people/companies making it...and people with that mindset are pretty rare.
Egad...7 days being on anyone's favorite list is just sad.
I watched that show when they first started airing it. By the 5th time some horribly weird unknown complication with time travel rendered the hero [an amnesiac, hurt, whatever], I was sick of it. The reasons for going back were crappy, the constant fuckups of time travel were lame (and shouldn't have been relied upon to be so much of the plot), and the acting was just awful.
While any criminal charges would of course have to go through the courts, punishments within the school system are often unchecked. Imagine this with a zero tolerance punishment system, as is so popular among school districts these days. Kid gets punished, has no chance to contest the charges or explain the circumstances, and the people in charge sometimes have to choose between giving a punishment they know is unjust or facing disciplinary action themselves for breaking policy. Sure you can try the courts, if your parents are rich enough to pay the lawyers.
Any drive that's bouncing around in my pocket for a while would tend to be a good candidate for the occasional disk integrity check. Defrag, maybe not...but something like scandisk would be a really good idea.
Perhaps the real problem is that the programmers who think they're worth huge salaries don't realize some fundamentals of economics? It's quite obvious from how you stated the issue. The programmers in the job market are selling themselves as a product. Fuelled by high hopes, the occasional inflated self-image, etc, they set their price higher than the market will bear. India then becomes the Wal-Mart of programming talent.
Unlike some people, I don't put fault on Wal-Mart or the people who shop there for all the mom & pop stores Wal-Mart has crushed over the years. Every time I read an article like this, I have to think that American programmers might need to lower their standards now and then...just because you can code is not a guarantee of a 6-figure salary.
On another note, I've seen way too many programmers (and this extends into my domain of networks and servers as well) think that they should always be getting a salary that's at or near the top level for their profession. They read some survey results, see "C++ Programmer" or "Network Engineer" listed with outrageous max salaries and skip right over that significantly smaller number labelled "Average".
Nobody ever said it did...the guy you responded to initially was making a blanket statement about 2 things: that CRT glass is thick and therefore heavy, and that as the screen (not depth) size increases, that's going to get significantly heavier. You have to make the glass larger in both area and thickness as the display size grows. You're the one who brought the size of the vaccuum into the discussion...
One thing you said that was right: the air pressure differential is the same regardless of how big the vaccuum is. That's not the determinant factor in the glass thickness...it's the structural integrity of a piece of glass large enough for the desired display area when subjected to that differential.
Take a small stick. Bend it until it breaks. Now get a bundle of sticks and apply approximately the same effort in bending. Betcha it doesn't break.
A corporate organization should have a more extensive virus solution than just protection on the client desktops.
I can assure you that the Norton AV Corporate Edition plugins for Exchange Server caught and quarantined quite a few messages in our site and those we manage. We've seen no evidence of infection on any of the PCs. I feel that anything less than virus scanning at every level you can afford is irresponsible in a corporate environment. For the example of mail server protection, programs exist for most major mail server software packages to handle this.
I know you want to say that this doesn't help the home user, and you're right...it doesn't. But, a locked-down corporate setup was your example.
Cross-country skiiers must get mighty tired...you'd think there'd be less people involved in the sport if the only way you could do it was to ski all the way across a nation. Not to mention needing a constant line of snow along the whole route.
Yeah...it never ceases to amaze me that people think that blocking a few IP's or killing all ICMP at the router is gonna protect them from a large-scale flood. Even blocking by the provider a few levels up from the target isn't a perfect solution. One of the servers was getting about 3gb/s during one of the attacks...I don't care who the upstream provider is, that much load in addition to all the regular traffic is going to make things damn horrible. Not to mention that the more things you block, the more you risk killing legitimate traffic.
Throw enough packets of different kinds from enough sources (the sources being the most critical, and the heart and soul of DDoS), and I don't care what sort of protections the target has...the network link will either be essentially down or painfully slow.
I never quite understood how the web browser became the ultimate user interface for everything.
It doesn't do "OS-like things"...at best you could call it a network-enabled file manager, with the ability to directly view the contents of certain file types. Is it handling the actual disk operations? Process control? Running the virtual memory system? These are OS things. As far as natural, it's no more natural to browse the disk with IE than it is with any other file manager utility.
Maybe it's just that I hate most websites and most web developers and all this "seamless integration" fever and all that, but I'm getting sick and tired of every last little thing being HTML/XML/whatever'scoolthisweek enabled. Good thing there's plenty of free Unix-style OS's out there so I'm not pissed off all the time.
My boss rules...in addition to the 6 month reviews that are standard in the company, he does 2 additional very informal reviews, part of which is a list of suggestions for improvements to make before the next official review. These can be very straightforward and simple things (one time I got "Don't wear sneakers to customer sites") to more important things, like proper communication or a change in focus (once I was told to spend more time working on preventitive maintenance so we had less crisis situations with the servers and networks). And, of course, like a good manager, he starts with the compliments and gradually moves into the suggestions. In past jobs, I usually thought of individual meetings with the boss as either a complete waste of time or an indication that I was about to get yelled at. I feel a lot better with a boss who actually acts human.
The nature of a business is to complete the tasks at hand. If an employee doesn't consider his paycheck as incentive enough to do the job properly (which includes things like documentation and proper communication with the rest of the group), then the employee should try to find a different job. The "interest" of the employee in the job material doesn't need to be anywhere near the top of the list of employer priorities.
A while back, I tended to act in some of the ways detailed in the article, though maybe not quite so severe. I noticed that I was often withdrawn from coworkers, and tasks that required me to interact with others became increasingly frustrating. So, I started documenting a lot of the more obscure tasks. I started keeping people informed on the status of projects that touched their tasks. Now, I tend to be more on the same page with my coworkers. We get a lot more work done with less conflicts and problems.
Yes, there are bad managers, and sometimes it's hard to get rid of them. If you can't get rid of them, and you're really that damn good, then you should be able to get another job without too much trouble.
I think it may have been in Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two. Something was mentioned about even in the world of touchscreens and pads, real buttons and switches were still used for critical things like engine activation. There is something to be said for the satisfying click of a good old-fashioned button.
Perhaps the fuckedcompany post about the recent layoffs and rumor of a forthcoming total shutdown is a good reason not to consider live365 as a long-term solution?
Of course there's the possibility of mistakes. That's why you make the operational procedures of the plant as strict and simple as possible, and make sure there is (preferably both human and automated) oversight at all saftey-critical points. And of course equipment gets old. That's why you have routine maintenance and upgrades.
How can we hope to progress if we don't at least try? Do you shun airplanes because sometimes they crash and kill people?
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It's a matter of freedom. Total freedom. A lot of people seem to have the view of "Keep the internet totally open, except where that conflicts with my ideals!" I have no problem with someone using a blackhole list to control access to their personal servers, or even a network admin who has verified that all (or at least a very significant majority) of the users want such blocking in place. When the admins bother to poll the users, the question tends to be worded such to extract the desired result ("We can implement measures that will reduce the amount of spam on the network. Do you want us to do this?"). The user answers in the affirmative while being unaware of the potential ethical issues involved.
Also, a major point Lessig made in the article you linked is the unaccountability of the people compiling these lists. There have already been abuses. Quite simply, it's part of the vigilante mindset that this comes from. Some people can remain totally objective, but most cannot.
All things considered, Lessig appears to be significantly less self-contradicting than many people I've spoken with who support blackhole lists.
Let's say you're a network admin at a large broadband ISP. Code Red is bringing the network to its knees. Despite media attention over the few weeks now that Code Red has been out there, thousands of machines on your network are still infected. Something has to be done to make the network stable again. Do you:
A) Start scanning every IP on your network to look for servers running IIS, thus generating a huge list that you now have to put into a router as an access list, and keep updating those servers change IPs, not to mention deal with calls from users that have figured out that the blocking is not total and want their host unblocked, or
B) Make one big general rule that kills all inbound traffic on port 80
The first solution, while significantly more friendly to the users, is a recipe for a support nightmare.
I remember hearing about a lawsuit a while back, some law student that had a disorder that made it impossible to finish the bar exam within the allowed time. Kinda scary when you think that most lawyers are paid by the hour. I sure as hell wouldn't hire him.
It's patented technology. They can control the use of the technology for the duration of the patent. At least this is a better patent than most of the crap software patents we've seen lately.
Didn't read page 2, eh?
The second page has a name and a signature. And I'm sure that if the NetBSD project decides to respond directly, they can call the number on the letterhead and find out how to get in touch with that person.
The FSF's views on selling software are childishly innocent and trusting of society. When redistribution is essentially unrestricted, you have an essentially infinite supply of the product. Infinite supply means that demand no longer affects the price...and the price drops to zero. We already see this with proprietary software...many people pirate Windows, Photoshop, whatever on a regular basis. The only time most people will bother to pay up is when threatened with legal action. If the license allows unrestricted redistribution, that club is not there. The only people who will pay for free software (meaning just the software, not any services/documentation/whatever) will be those who want to support the people/companies making it...and people with that mindset are pretty rare.
Egad...7 days being on anyone's favorite list is just sad.
I watched that show when they first started airing it. By the 5th time some horribly weird unknown complication with time travel rendered the hero [an amnesiac, hurt, whatever], I was sick of it. The reasons for going back were crappy, the constant fuckups of time travel were lame (and shouldn't have been relied upon to be so much of the plot), and the acting was just awful.
While any criminal charges would of course have to go through the courts, punishments within the school system are often unchecked. Imagine this with a zero tolerance punishment system, as is so popular among school districts these days. Kid gets punished, has no chance to contest the charges or explain the circumstances, and the people in charge sometimes have to choose between giving a punishment they know is unjust or facing disciplinary action themselves for breaking policy. Sure you can try the courts, if your parents are rich enough to pay the lawyers.
Any drive that's bouncing around in my pocket for a while would tend to be a good candidate for the occasional disk integrity check. Defrag, maybe not...but something like scandisk would be a really good idea.
Perhaps the real problem is that the programmers who think they're worth huge salaries don't realize some fundamentals of economics? It's quite obvious from how you stated the issue. The programmers in the job market are selling themselves as a product. Fuelled by high hopes, the occasional inflated self-image, etc, they set their price higher than the market will bear. India then becomes the Wal-Mart of programming talent.
Unlike some people, I don't put fault on Wal-Mart or the people who shop there for all the mom & pop stores Wal-Mart has crushed over the years. Every time I read an article like this, I have to think that American programmers might need to lower their standards now and then...just because you can code is not a guarantee of a 6-figure salary.
On another note, I've seen way too many programmers (and this extends into my domain of networks and servers as well) think that they should always be getting a salary that's at or near the top level for their profession. They read some survey results, see "C++ Programmer" or "Network Engineer" listed with outrageous max salaries and skip right over that significantly smaller number labelled "Average".
I refuse to believe that there is a lower form of life than people in sales.
Nobody ever said it did...the guy you responded to initially was making a blanket statement about 2 things: that CRT glass is thick and therefore heavy, and that as the screen (not depth) size increases, that's going to get significantly heavier. You have to make the glass larger in both area and thickness as the display size grows. You're the one who brought the size of the vaccuum into the discussion...
What you said didn't make any sense...
One thing you said that was right: the air pressure differential is the same regardless of how big the vaccuum is. That's not the determinant factor in the glass thickness...it's the structural integrity of a piece of glass large enough for the desired display area when subjected to that differential.
Take a small stick. Bend it until it breaks. Now get a bundle of sticks and apply approximately the same effort in bending. Betcha it doesn't break.
A corporate organization should have a more extensive virus solution than just protection on the client desktops.
I can assure you that the Norton AV Corporate Edition plugins for Exchange Server caught and quarantined quite a few messages in our site and those we manage. We've seen no evidence of infection on any of the PCs. I feel that anything less than virus scanning at every level you can afford is irresponsible in a corporate environment. For the example of mail server protection, programs exist for most major mail server software packages to handle this.
I know you want to say that this doesn't help the home user, and you're right...it doesn't. But, a locked-down corporate setup was your example.
Too bad they can't see where they put the cash, what with running out of electricity and all.
Cross-country skiiers must get mighty tired...you'd think there'd be less people involved in the sport if the only way you could do it was to ski all the way across a nation. Not to mention needing a constant line of snow along the whole route.
Yeah...it never ceases to amaze me that people think that blocking a few IP's or killing all ICMP at the router is gonna protect them from a large-scale flood. Even blocking by the provider a few levels up from the target isn't a perfect solution. One of the servers was getting about 3gb/s during one of the attacks...I don't care who the upstream provider is, that much load in addition to all the regular traffic is going to make things damn horrible. Not to mention that the more things you block, the more you risk killing legitimate traffic.
That's ok...Gigantor will save us. Or maybe the Gundam pilots. The Japanese have the whole evil robot thing well under control.
Throw enough packets of different kinds from enough sources (the sources being the most critical, and the heart and soul of DDoS), and I don't care what sort of protections the target has...the network link will either be essentially down or painfully slow.
I never quite understood how the web browser became the ultimate user interface for everything.
It doesn't do "OS-like things"...at best you could call it a network-enabled file manager, with the ability to directly view the contents of certain file types. Is it handling the actual disk operations? Process control? Running the virtual memory system? These are OS things. As far as natural, it's no more natural to browse the disk with IE than it is with any other file manager utility.
Maybe it's just that I hate most websites and most web developers and all this "seamless integration" fever and all that, but I'm getting sick and tired of every last little thing being HTML/XML/whatever'scoolthisweek enabled. Good thing there's plenty of free Unix-style OS's out there so I'm not pissed off all the time.
My boss rules...in addition to the 6 month reviews that are standard in the company, he does 2 additional very informal reviews, part of which is a list of suggestions for improvements to make before the next official review. These can be very straightforward and simple things (one time I got "Don't wear sneakers to customer sites") to more important things, like proper communication or a change in focus (once I was told to spend more time working on preventitive maintenance so we had less crisis situations with the servers and networks). And, of course, like a good manager, he starts with the compliments and gradually moves into the suggestions. In past jobs, I usually thought of individual meetings with the boss as either a complete waste of time or an indication that I was about to get yelled at. I feel a lot better with a boss who actually acts human.
The nature of a business is to complete the tasks at hand. If an employee doesn't consider his paycheck as incentive enough to do the job properly (which includes things like documentation and proper communication with the rest of the group), then the employee should try to find a different job. The "interest" of the employee in the job material doesn't need to be anywhere near the top of the list of employer priorities.
A while back, I tended to act in some of the ways detailed in the article, though maybe not quite so severe. I noticed that I was often withdrawn from coworkers, and tasks that required me to interact with others became increasingly frustrating. So, I started documenting a lot of the more obscure tasks. I started keeping people informed on the status of projects that touched their tasks. Now, I tend to be more on the same page with my coworkers. We get a lot more work done with less conflicts and problems.
Yes, there are bad managers, and sometimes it's hard to get rid of them. If you can't get rid of them, and you're really that damn good, then you should be able to get another job without too much trouble.
I think it may have been in Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two. Something was mentioned about even in the world of touchscreens and pads, real buttons and switches were still used for critical things like engine activation. There is something to be said for the satisfying click of a good old-fashioned button.
Perhaps the fuckedcompany post about the recent layoffs and rumor of a forthcoming total shutdown is a good reason not to consider live365 as a long-term solution?
Of course there's the possibility of mistakes. That's why you make the operational procedures of the plant as strict and simple as possible, and make sure there is (preferably both human and automated) oversight at all saftey-critical points. And of course equipment gets old. That's why you have routine maintenance and upgrades.
How can we hope to progress if we don't at least try? Do you shun airplanes because sometimes they crash and kill people?