You're right - sometimes you are expected to stay late and get the job done. And, if you like your job, and you employer is good to you, you are probably willing to sometimes stay late and get the job done.
Of course, you ultimately have the final decision. The big bad company didn't take your car keys away. The worst thing that they can do is fire you.
Anybody who is any good at what they do in the silicon valley could find job that pays $60K without much trouble in the valley.
Anybody who isn't good, well how much sympathy am I supposed to have for a guy who isn't any good, and makes $60 grand a year?
Look I'm not some naive newbie - I've been a well paid software developer in the valley for more than 10 year.
My sincere advice to everybody who feels that they're being overworked is this:
First: stop spending all of your money. Put a little bit away. You'll find that it's a lot easier to stand up for yourself if you aren't worried about where next months rent payment is coming from.
Second: Stop working so damn much. Work 55 hours instead of 60, and see if anyone notices. In all likelyhood, nobody will. If someone does, though, don't make excuses. If they call you out, tell them that you worked nine hours today (or however many you worked), and give them a "what kind of bozo questions somebody for only working 9 hours" look. Do that a couple of times, and they'll leave you alone.
The worst thing that could happen is that you get fired, and if you're complaining about how awful your boss is for making you work so much, maybe, just maybe, having your boss tell you that you aren't allowed to come to work anymore isn't the worst thing than can happen. There's other work out there. Better work. Maybe getting fired would be the kick in the ass that you need to go find it.
P.S.
Rent Office Space again - it isn't as far off as you think.
We're supposed to be outraged about people voluntarily overworking themselves for $60 grand a year these days?
I'm supposed to believe that "just go home are a reasonable hour" never occurred to them?
I'm supposed to believe that "it's Friday night, see you on Monday" never occurred to them?
I'm supposed to believe that "go work somewhere else" never occurred to them?
The lack of imagination that the NYT is attributing to these E.A. employees is impressive.
There really are good times we live in, if this is what we're being outraged about. $60K/annum at 80 hours per week is still *way* over the minimum wage - how about some outrage on behalf of those poor defenseless minimum wage suckers, who generally *don't* have the option to just go somewhere where they'll be treated better.
Obviously, it would be better for employees to all talk openly about their salaries, but it seems to me that it is kind of a sensitive subject, and just isn't talked about.
Sounds like at least a few people work at offices where it isn't considered impolite to ask what somebody is making - live and learn...
I see this kind of thing every time there's a thread on salaries, and it always makes me wonder - how do all you people who post that you make such and such more that your coworkers (though never less, anyone else think that's strange) know how much they make?
Rifle through cabinets down in HR? Trade salary info with your coworkers (I'll trade you a copy of Joe's last review for a copy of Snake's)? Your manager tells you? Salaries are just published where you work? Maybe you can tell by what kind of car they drive...
Please clue me in, because I really want to know why everybody except me knows what the guy in the next office is making.
I think you misunderstand why people listen to music.
People don't love live music because the conductor got a parking ticket. We love music because of the way it affects us. For performance software to be successful, it doesn't have to mimic how music sounds when played by a orchestra in a certain mood, it just has to give us the same feeling.
I'm not saying that its easy, for people or computers. It isn't, or it would have been done already. I am saying, though, that it will happen, because people respond to stimuli in fairly predictable ways, and music is important enough to the human experience that the work will continue until we get it right.
Shaun
P.S. Why do so many of these posters sound like they don't *want* this technology to work? The existance of some program doesn't make you any less human, you know...
Music obviously is an equation, or your MP3 player wouldn't work very well.
> Music is my recreation (listening, playing, > creation). Anything that takes that away is bad.
This is what people are really worried about when they talk about music as art, drum machines can't capture imperfections as rhythm, the performance is the thing, blah blah blah, but its silly.
If you like to listen to music, listen. You don't like all music, you just listen to what you like. If you don't like the music that your computer plays, listen to something else.
If you like to play music, play music. So a computer can do it better - so what. Lots of people play better than you do, does that make it less fun? Most chess players aren't as good as the best chess computers, but they play anyway. They enjoy it, so they do it.
This story shouldn't detract from your enjoyment of music at all, yet it seems to scare you, and lots of others. I would really like to understand why...
Didn't you read the rules? Anybody who submits the correct answer by Oct 29th gets entered in a drawing.
Since what Amazon really wants is to add your email address to their list, I think we can safely assume that the hints will give away the answer to anyone smart enough to run a browser, and that, like e-trade says, somebody's going to win, it just won't be you.
> I, a college student on a coop during the summer > with a 56k modem, download a copy of a GPL > program and begin development. Then, out of the > blue, someone sends me an email asking for a > copy of the source code. Under your > requirement, I would have to provide them with > the source code.
No, somebody can't request the source code "out of the blue". If they have the binary, they can request the source, but as long as you are the only person with the binary, you have no obligations under the GPL.
> Currently there are ten companies (actually, > I'd count fewer than this if you're talking > Sony-scale). That's because you need to have a > lot of money to produce, promote and ship a CD > in the volumes which a big artist needs. And > the start-up costs for breaking a new band are > huge.
If the hard part was pressing and distributing a million Hootie and the Blowfish CDs, you'd be absolutely right. The hard part is making a million people think that they need to own the latest Hootie CD.
Here's my prediction - As long as radio matters, Sony is going to be just fine. If radio goes away, the labels will be replaced by somebody else, but there will always be a small number of companies that decide what music is going to be popular, because people have a basic need to hear the same music.
>But are they right because they actually can >predict what "the masses" want, or are they >right because what they predict is >*automatically* what "the masses" want, because >it's what they're being given?
Obviously, it's the latter. That's their job, and it is why the record companies have the power, and why, whether we like it or not, they deserve to get a much bigger share of the money that you spend in your local record store than Hootie and the Blowfish do.
All of you "imminent death of labels" people need to get a clue.
Picture this scenario: There are a million bands - some good some bad, some famous some not, but basically interchangable, in the long run. There are a thousand radio stations, owned by a hundred companies. The more similar you are to the other stations, the more money you make. There are ten record companies. Once a week they tell the hundred radio companies which bands they think are going to be popular next week. They are usually right.
When will the record companies go out of business? Obviously, the record companies will go out of business when they stop being able to predict what's going to be popular next week.
When will that be? I don't know, but never would be a good guess.
The really ironic thing is that the recording industry is so hung up on distribution that they are starting to believe the "imminent death of labels" hype. One day they'll realize that they're in the artist promotion business, and all of this nonsense will stop.
First, my point wasn't really about sketch artists, it was that the first poster's comment was not only a straw man, but also false. I should have been more clear.
Second, and off topic, so it will be my last post on the subject, the only time that more witnesses would help is if you didn't get a good look at the guy.
Shaun
P.S. I'm sorry that I sounded so "flamey". All of us have written something without thinking, one time or another, but I get frustrated when those posts end up at with a positive number in the Score column.
I've often been confused by the age-discrimination issue. Is the problem that firms simply won't hire older workers, or are they just not offering salaries that are x% higher than the prospective employees made last year?
I find it hard to believe that any sensible firm would prefer to hire a brand new grad at the same salary as somebody who has been around a while.
Basically, I'm asking whether we're talking about descrimination against older workers, or just not as much favorable discrimination as the older workers are expecting...
Is there a decent study somewhere that addresses this?
Baseball players have a union - I don't think that baseball teams have much trouble getting rid of players who aren't helping the team. Actors have a union - you don't see that many actors getting paid based on seniority.
Please, *think* before you hit the send button, every union isn't the UAW.
Slashdot Mirror
What on earth did you do to that kid to make him not like Sidney Crosby?
He's only 8 - there may be time to undo the damage...
P.S.
Meteorologist? Seriously? He does know that means weatherman, right?
Did you even read the article?
oh, why do I bother? You retards deserve to live in a police state.
You explanation may make sense to you, but it's complete nonsense.
Go look up "sunk costs" somewhere, and then post a 500 word report.
(Score:-1, Snooty)
It wasn't a troll.
You're right - sometimes you are expected to stay late and get the job done. And, if you like your job, and you employer is good to you, you are probably willing to sometimes stay late and get the job done.
Of course, you ultimately have the final decision. The big bad company didn't take your car keys away. The worst thing that they can do is fire you.
Anybody who is any good at what they do in the silicon valley could find job that pays $60K without much trouble in the valley.
Anybody who isn't good, well how much sympathy am I supposed to have for a guy who isn't any good, and makes $60 grand a year?
Look I'm not some naive newbie - I've been a well paid software developer in the valley for more than 10 year.
My sincere advice to everybody who feels that they're being overworked is this:
First: stop spending all of your money. Put a little bit away. You'll find that it's a lot easier to stand up for yourself if you aren't worried about where next months rent payment is coming from.
Second: Stop working so damn much. Work 55 hours instead of 60, and see if anyone notices. In all likelyhood, nobody will. If someone does, though, don't make excuses. If they call you out, tell them that you worked nine hours today (or however many you worked), and give them a "what kind of bozo questions somebody for only working 9 hours" look. Do that a couple of times, and they'll leave you alone.
The worst thing that could happen is that you get fired, and if you're complaining about how awful your boss is for making you work so much, maybe, just maybe, having your boss tell you that you aren't allowed to come to work anymore isn't the worst thing than can happen. There's other work out there. Better work. Maybe getting fired would be the kick in the ass that you need to go find it.
P.S.
Rent Office Space again - it isn't as far off as you think.
Little work???
Your grandparents had it a hell of a lot harder than your lazy ass!
Kids today, sheesh....
I'm supposed to believe that "just go home are a reasonable hour" never occurred to them?
I'm supposed to believe that "it's Friday night, see you on Monday" never occurred to them?
I'm supposed to believe that "go work somewhere else" never occurred to them?
The lack of imagination that the NYT is attributing to these E.A. employees is impressive.
There really are good times we live in, if this is what we're being outraged about. $60K/annum at 80 hours per week is still *way* over the minimum wage - how about some outrage on behalf of those poor defenseless minimum wage suckers, who generally *don't* have the option to just go somewhere where they'll be treated better.
The NYT really should be ashamed of themselves.
Yeah, because running an indie radio station in the middle of nowhere is so much more lucrative than being a lawyer.
Obviously, it would be better for employees to all talk openly about their salaries, but it seems to me that it is kind of a sensitive subject, and just isn't talked about.
Sounds like at least a few people work at offices where it isn't considered impolite to ask what somebody is making - live and learn...
Shaun
I see this kind of thing every time there's a thread on salaries, and it always makes me wonder - how do all you people who post that you make such and such more that your coworkers (though never less, anyone else think that's strange) know how much they make?
Rifle through cabinets down in HR? Trade salary info with your coworkers (I'll trade you a copy of Joe's last review for a copy of Snake's)? Your manager tells you? Salaries are just published where you work? Maybe you can tell by what kind of car they drive...
Please clue me in, because I really want to know why everybody except me knows what the guy in the next office is making.
Shaun
Two points:
1st - hash tables. It doesn't take them any longer to look for a hundred words than it would to look for just one.
2nd - advertising. They have to check what you're searching for anyway, so they can put up an appropriate banner ad.
Therefore - they aren't really wasting any time with their little joke, because they had to do the work anyway.
Shaun
I think you misunderstand why people listen to music.
People don't love live music because the conductor got a parking ticket. We love music because of the way it affects us. For performance software to be successful, it doesn't have to mimic how music sounds when played by a orchestra in a certain mood, it just has to give us the same feeling.
I'm not saying that its easy, for people or computers. It isn't, or it would have been done already. I am saying, though, that it will happen, because people respond to stimuli in fairly predictable ways, and music is important enough to the human experience that the work will continue until we get it right.
Shaun
P.S. Why do so many of these posters sound like they don't *want* this technology to work? The existance of some program doesn't make you any less human, you know...
> Music is interpretation, it isn't an equation.
Music obviously is an equation, or your MP3 player wouldn't work very well.
> Music is my recreation (listening, playing,
> creation). Anything that takes that away is bad.
This is what people are really worried about when they talk about music as art, drum machines can't capture imperfections as rhythm, the performance is the thing, blah blah blah, but its silly.
If you like to listen to music, listen. You don't like all music, you just listen to what you like. If you don't like the music that your computer plays, listen to something else.
If you like to play music, play music. So a computer can do it better - so what. Lots of people play better than you do, does that make it less fun? Most chess players aren't as good as the best chess computers, but they play anyway. They enjoy it, so they do it.
This story shouldn't detract from your enjoyment of music at all, yet it seems to scare you, and lots of others. I would really like to understand why...
Shaun
Didn't you read the rules? Anybody who submits the correct answer by Oct 29th gets entered in a drawing.
Since what Amazon really wants is to add your email address to their list, I think we can safely assume that the hints will give away the answer to anyone smart enough to run a browser, and that, like e-trade says, somebody's going to win, it just won't be you.
Shaun
I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be a joke.
Shaun
> There are similar reasons why the metric
> systems (sic) hasn't been adopted world wide.
Funny how everybody in the world except the U.S. seems to have managed to switch.
(-1 : Offtopic)
Shaun
> I, a college student on a coop during the summer
> with a 56k modem, download a copy of a GPL
> program and begin development. Then, out of the
> blue, someone sends me an email asking for a
> copy of the source code. Under your
> requirement, I would have to provide them with
> the source code.
No, somebody can't request the source code "out of the blue". If they have the binary, they can request the source, but as long as you are the only person with the binary, you have no obligations under the GPL.
Shaun
> Currently there are ten companies (actually,
> I'd count fewer than this if you're talking
> Sony-scale). That's because you need to have a
> lot of money to produce, promote and ship a CD
> in the volumes which a big artist needs. And
> the start-up costs for breaking a new band are
> huge.
If the hard part was pressing and distributing a million Hootie and the Blowfish CDs, you'd be absolutely right. The hard part is making a million people think that they need to own the latest Hootie CD.
Here's my prediction - As long as radio matters, Sony is going to be just fine. If radio goes away, the labels will be replaced by somebody else, but there will always be a small number of companies that decide what music is going to be popular, because people have a basic need to hear the same music.
Shaun
>But are they right because they actually can
>predict what "the masses" want, or are they
>right because what they predict is
>*automatically* what "the masses" want, because
>it's what they're being given?
Obviously, it's the latter. That's their job, and it is why the record companies have the power, and why, whether we like it or not, they deserve to get a much bigger share of the money that you spend in your local record store than Hootie and the Blowfish do.
Shaun
All of you "imminent death of labels" people need to get a clue.
Picture this scenario:
There are a million bands - some good some bad, some famous some not, but basically interchangable, in the long run.
There are a thousand radio stations, owned by a hundred companies. The more similar you are to the other stations, the more money you make.
There are ten record companies. Once a week they tell the hundred radio companies which bands they think are going to be popular next week. They are usually right.
When will the record companies go out of business? Obviously, the record companies will go out of business when they stop being able to predict what's going to be popular next week.
When will that be? I don't know, but never would be a good guess.
The really ironic thing is that the recording industry is so hung up on distribution that they are starting to believe the "imminent death of labels" hype. One day they'll realize that they're in the artist promotion business, and all of this nonsense will stop.
Shaun
First, my point wasn't really about sketch artists, it was that the first poster's comment was not only a straw man, but also false. I should have been more clear.
Second, and off topic, so it will be my last post on the subject, the only time that more witnesses would help is if you didn't get a good look at the guy.
Shaun
P.S. I'm sorry that I sounded so "flamey". All of us have written something without thinking, one time or another, but I get frustrated when those posts end up at with a positive number in the Score column.
If you get a decent look at someone, a competent sketch artist can get a very accurate picture out of you.
I mean, really, do people think at all before they post? And to the moderator who thinks this drivel is insightful - please...
Shaun
No, you can say those things because the government of these United States doesn't tend to bother people for trash-talking about the govenment.
Being a Citizen has nothing to do with it, you could be from Mars and still say those things.
Shaun
I've often been confused by the age-discrimination issue. Is the problem that firms simply won't hire older workers, or are they just not offering salaries that are x% higher than the prospective employees made last year?
I find it hard to believe that any sensible firm would prefer to hire a brand new grad at the same salary as somebody who has been around a while.
Basically, I'm asking whether we're talking about descrimination against older workers, or just not as much favorable discrimination as the older workers are expecting...
Is there a decent study somewhere that addresses this?
Shaun
Baseball players have a union - I don't think that baseball teams have much trouble getting rid of players who aren't helping the team. Actors have a union - you don't see that many actors getting paid based on seniority.
Please, *think* before you hit the send button, every union isn't the UAW.
Shaun
That makes no sense - who cares what kernel is under your apps? Presumably you have a computer beause you want to run software, no?
Maybe I just don't get it, but the kernel isn't the reason I use my computer...
Shaun