It's easy to talk about some of the technicals and none of the logistics or the total technicals. You're oversimplifying this as are all the others talking about doing this thing.
Rather than arguing the subject with you all...I challenge you to IMPLEMENT the thing you're talking to in a manner that it can be secured well enough to make the indie studios and the big labels happy. Why am I challenging you all? Because, like I am doing now, someone did the same thing and I put my money where my mouth was and did game ports.
If not, all you're doing is wasting your and everyone else's time on this. Seriously.
The only problems with an apt-get framework is that it means you have to add repos for any pool of the downloadables and there is NO management for who gets to download the title. Do keep in mind that the titles are not all FOSS or free as in beer, for that matter. Right now the package managers for the distributions really, really don't have the framework in place for this sort of thing. If it did, I'd be all for it and I'd be helping it grow that way- and this only gets into distributions that do packaging like this. What about Gentoo, etc. that don't have a packaging system, per se, in the same sense as Debian and Red Hat have developed?
Well, considering that none of them have had a tool quite like this (the Steam version that Valve has internally not withstanding...) available, combined with Desura being at least initially Indie-oriented, it's going to lead to the effect you're commenting to there. There's not exactly going to be any EA, Valve (duh!), Square|Enix, etc. titles on there yet. As for them wanting to do them, that might come with time with a service or two like this available to handle things. I know it's going to be a subject of discussion with some of my studios I work for to get the Linux ports over there to see if they'll sell better than they have before- and I'll be talking with them about possible Pandora handheld clients along with a few other ARM-centric clients like it.
If you're not working in the industry and don't know what they're looking for in things (this is one of them, actually)...keep the "Meh" to yourself for at least now.
The truth is that gun rights have gotten a lot better in the last 3 years.
It has nothing to do with Obama's activities. DO keep in mind that Operation "Fast and Furious" was staged mainly to make an incident to make your gun rights a LOT worse than they are now. The NRA does, unfortunately, have a point here if you were actually paying attention to the people in Obama's Administration and in the House and Senate that are aligned with the Administration's wishes and leadership. But then, with the way you responded, I wonder if you really were paying attention.
Yes, you can. "PC" stands for "Personal Computer", not Personal X86 Computer- though for many, it's come to mean the same thing- and they conflate Windows PC with that concept, which is even MORE wrong.
And they seem to cover it as a bit of a recurring theme. People keep assuming that this isn't going to be anywhere near as useful without the 512-1024MB of RAM on it. The conversations come back to the reality that it's a lot more than they think it is- and it's going to be more capable than they're giving it credit.
It amazes me...someone claimed the Left's the most compromising bunch he's ever seen. Compromising how? Certainly not in the sense most would take it to mean.
There's tons more...if one cares to look just a smidge. Sorry, I just can't believe you meant what you said. Must have mis-stated it...or you're living in a rose-colored glasses induced world there.
MeeGo wasn't a downstream of RedHat. It just used RPMs for packaging. It was a downstream of OpenEmbedded that was tagged from out of OpenedHand's Poky Linux system.
That was less due to the OS and more due to the device itself. It couldn't hold the OS that they arrived at with the version for the N8x0 series. Blame Nokia for cheapening the N770 too much (there were design "oopses" within the N770 that led me to wait until the N800 came out...) there.
The only concern there would be that you've got some trojan that was snuck in to the development code. If there's any launch or reactor controls that might get the low-speed comms, you could still do a remote exploit that way.
Simply put...if it's in error, the cornerstone must be adjusted or thrown out. Anything else is NOT Science. Right now, they've measured what appears to be an anomaly, what some would call an "elephant in the room". This isn't saying that they've measured what they think they may have. This isn't saying that they've not actually done so. You can't "disprove" it with the theory- that doesn't work and smacks of religion as opposed to science. What you have to do is see if they've actually measured something there or not. If they have...you have to work at finding out how to relate it to a modification of the original theory, presuming we missed out on something because of quality of gear or experiments that didn't account for this...or you come up with a new theory that accounts for the old observations coupled with the new ones.
Do you KNOW for a fact that it's an Ozone Depleting Product? You only have what you've been told...which is conflicting at best, in light of the chemistries involved. Given that this is the case...saying it'll affect BILLIONS as you say...that's an appeal to emotion without any real facts. You're not winning anyone over really- and most of the stuff in question is being challenged right now because our country's coming apart because of things like the premise you put forward.
Ah, but that's NOT the supposition that was being made there- and if you're being HONEST about it with yourself, you'd agree with the statement I just made.
If they are that...why did they hire the previous joker that hurt them in the big-picture sense in a way more severely than the suggested dramatic move would do...hm?
Sun screwed up and didn't "get it" quick enough to turn it around for themselves. Starting late on the game and/or not having a handle on it costs dearly.
Palm? OpenSource? I don't see a fully FOSS WebOS. I don't see a fully FOSS PalmOS either.
Which is why, when combined with the inability to expand the cap (at least with Verizon, you have several tiers...) I simply passed on them, even though they had the highest speeds in the area I was in when I was contracting in Colorado.
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Which is why I'm tickled they finished the thing. I'm going to be in talks w/them to see what the story is on behalf of the Indies I represent.
It's easy to talk about some of the technicals and none of the logistics or the total technicals. You're oversimplifying this as are all the others talking about doing this thing.
Rather than arguing the subject with you all...I challenge you to IMPLEMENT the thing you're talking to in a manner that it can be secured well enough to make the indie studios and the big labels happy. Why am I challenging you all? Because, like I am doing now, someone did the same thing and I put my money where my mouth was and did game ports.
If not, all you're doing is wasting your and everyone else's time on this. Seriously.
The only problems with an apt-get framework is that it means you have to add repos for any pool of the downloadables and there is NO management for who gets to download the title. Do keep in mind that the titles are not all FOSS or free as in beer, for that matter. Right now the package managers for the distributions really, really don't have the framework in place for this sort of thing. If it did, I'd be all for it and I'd be helping it grow that way- and this only gets into distributions that do packaging like this. What about Gentoo, etc. that don't have a packaging system, per se, in the same sense as Debian and Red Hat have developed?
Well, considering that none of them have had a tool quite like this (the Steam version that Valve has internally not withstanding...) available, combined with Desura being at least initially Indie-oriented, it's going to lead to the effect you're commenting to there. There's not exactly going to be any EA, Valve (duh!), Square|Enix, etc. titles on there yet. As for them wanting to do them, that might come with time with a service or two like this available to handle things. I know it's going to be a subject of discussion with some of my studios I work for to get the Linux ports over there to see if they'll sell better than they have before- and I'll be talking with them about possible Pandora handheld clients along with a few other ARM-centric clients like it.
If you're not working in the industry and don't know what they're looking for in things (this is one of them, actually)...keep the "Meh" to yourself for at least now.
It has nothing to do with Obama's activities. DO keep in mind that Operation "Fast and Furious" was staged mainly to make an incident to make your gun rights a LOT worse than they are now . The NRA does, unfortunately, have a point here if you were actually paying attention to the people in Obama's Administration and in the House and Senate that are aligned with the Administration's wishes and leadership. But then, with the way you responded, I wonder if you really were paying attention.
Yes, you can. "PC" stands for "Personal Computer", not Personal X86 Computer- though for many, it's come to mean the same thing- and they conflate Windows PC with that concept, which is even MORE wrong.
Heh...
1) A refurbished PIII is not much, if any more powerful than this board.
2) The refurbished PIII retails for 2-3 times what this costs.
To answer your question, NO, it wouldn't be cheaper or better. :-D
And they seem to cover it as a bit of a recurring theme. People keep assuming that this isn't going to be anywhere near as useful without the 512-1024MB of RAM on it. The conversations come back to the reality that it's a lot more than they think it is- and it's going to be more capable than they're giving it credit.
Heh... It'd have been useful to a PIII. That's what it roughly is like in performance in many of the areas.
It's funny to see people making remarks like that...
And something like a MTD filesystem would provide that abstraction. Nothing would change much- because it wouldn't need to.
Oh, for want of mod points here... :D
It amazes me...someone claimed the Left's the most compromising bunch he's ever seen. Compromising how? Certainly not in the sense most would take it to mean.
Compromise?
So, was Pelosi and the Democrats compromising when they forced ObamaCare on everyone?
So the head of the Teamsters Union was compromising when he said "Take those SOB's out"?
There's tons more...if one cares to look just a smidge. Sorry, I just can't believe you meant what you said. Must have mis-stated it...or you're living in a rose-colored glasses induced world there.
MeeGo wasn't a downstream of RedHat. It just used RPMs for packaging. It was a downstream of OpenEmbedded that was tagged from out of OpenedHand's Poky Linux system.
That was less due to the OS and more due to the device itself. It couldn't hold the OS that they arrived at with the version for the N8x0 series. Blame Nokia for cheapening the N770 too much (there were design "oopses" within the N770 that led me to wait until the N800 came out...) there.
Squid...don't forget that one...or Macsyma... :-D
Beat me to the punch there...
The only concern there would be that you've got some trojan that was snuck in to the development code. If there's any launch or reactor controls that might get the low-speed comms, you could still do a remote exploit that way.
Heh... I'd dearly hope that the electric boats had air-gapped control systems... :-D
Simply put...if it's in error, the cornerstone must be adjusted or thrown out. Anything else is NOT Science. Right now, they've measured what appears to be an anomaly, what some would call an "elephant in the room". This isn't saying that they've measured what they think they may have. This isn't saying that they've not actually done so. You can't "disprove" it with the theory- that doesn't work and smacks of religion as opposed to science. What you have to do is see if they've actually measured something there or not. If they have...you have to work at finding out how to relate it to a modification of the original theory, presuming we missed out on something because of quality of gear or experiments that didn't account for this...or you come up with a new theory that accounts for the old observations coupled with the new ones.
Do you KNOW for a fact that it's an Ozone Depleting Product? You only have what you've been told...which is conflicting at best, in light of the chemistries involved. Given that this is the case...saying it'll affect BILLIONS as you say...that's an appeal to emotion without any real facts. You're not winning anyone over really- and most of the stuff in question is being challenged right now because our country's coming apart because of things like the premise you put forward.
Ah, but that's NOT the supposition that was being made there- and if you're being HONEST about it with yourself, you'd agree with the statement I just made.
If they are that...why did they hire the previous joker that hurt them in the big-picture sense in a way more severely than the suggested dramatic move would do...hm?
Red Hat - Yes...
IBM - Yes...
It's all in how you go about it all.
However...
Sun screwed up and didn't "get it" quick enough to turn it around for themselves. Starting late on the game and/or not having a handle on it costs dearly.
Palm? OpenSource? I don't see a fully FOSS WebOS. I don't see a fully FOSS PalmOS either.
Netscape? They FOSSed things as they were DYING.
Your examples aren't.
Which is why, when combined with the inability to expand the cap (at least with Verizon, you have several tiers...) I simply passed on them, even though they had the highest speeds in the area I was in when I was contracting in Colorado.