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Look Ma, I'm Getting Arrested!

robotissues writes "Cnet reviews 'I'm Getting Arrested,' an Android app that alerts your lawyer and loved ones if you have been arrested while peacefully demonstrating. The app makes it easy to broadcast a message via SMS in case all hell breaks loose."

238 comments

  1. All Hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think when all hell breaks loose, it looks like Darfur, not Occupy Wallstreet.

    1. Re:All Hell? by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Funny

      The problem is that everyone has a different definition of all hell breaking loose. For some it's blood running in the streets, for others it's that their portfolio dropped by 20%.

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    2. Re:All Hell? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      That just gave me the idea for a "I'm Getting Shot!" app.

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    3. Re:All Hell? by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone else uses the phrase as a relative term. But go ahead and complain that your unique language choices aren't globally accepted.

      Personally I think the phrase should only be used to refer to situations in which some crazy vampire opens a hellmouth, but I don't complain when nobody agrees with me.

    4. Re:All Hell? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, why not an "I just died" app. Have a blue-tooth wristband that measures your heartrate- if your heart stops beating it sends an e-mail out to your loved ones.

      "If you are reading this, I just died.

      - Peace & Love

      Oswald McWeany"

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    5. Re:All Hell? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 0

      I could see some real problems with that. There are situations where someone's heart can stop without them being actually dead. Second, the wristband's battery might fail or some other failure might occur. Sending your loved ones false messages of your death is rather cruel.

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    6. Re:All Hell? by delinear · · Score: 5, Funny

      It just needs to say "Either I, or my wristband's battery, just died".

    7. Re:All Hell? by adamdoyle · · Score: 2

      Sending your loved ones false messages of your death is rather cruel.

      Well, I'm not sure that one applies to everyone.

    8. Re:All Hell? by ld+a,b · · Score: 2

      Some might be happy about your real death, but everyone would be pissed off about a false death message.

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    9. Re:All Hell? by CPTreese · · Score: 1

      another problem, what happens if the wristband is taken off?

      "I just died, or I took my wristband off, or the battery just died, or someone has hacked the device, in fact this watch has in general given you no additional information"

      *mom gets message*

      I hate it when he gets something new, I never understand what in the hell he's trying to do

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    10. Re:All Hell? by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      Joss Whedon would probably agree with you.

    11. Re:All Hell? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      oh come on, it can't be that hard to have it also monitor the battery and have a interlock switch that will tell you if the wristband has been removed. It's just a simple matter of engineering.

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    12. Re:All Hell? by CapnStank · · Score: 1

      Check this out: http://beta.deadmansswitch.net/

      Its a service that you register with that periodically sends you emails you must respond to. If you don't respond to the email the service assumes you've passed away and then sends out an email to the people you indicated previously. I haven't given it a try yet but it might be handy to have for when I keel off and business partners need access to my data.

    13. Re:All Hell? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      No- it only sends the signal on a positive message not a negative.

      If the battery dies- it does not send the "throw" message send the message.

      If the connection is broken around the wrist it does not send a message.

      Sure- the device could malfunction- but then, everyone will be so happy to see you not dead- they will remember how valuable you are to them.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    14. Re:All Hell? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Cooool. I might sign up for that... I'm sure plenty of times I will forget and send fake death messages.... but I bet that's half the fun.

      Imagine using this for real though if the spam filter stopped the e-mail confirmations reaching you.

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    15. Re:All Hell? by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      And for someone who thinks his portfolio dropping by 20% is hell breaking loose, I do have nothing to wish for but hell.

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    16. Re:All Hell? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for the first smart guy to come up with a service that responds automatically to that message so you don't have to. Ya know, saves you work...

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    17. Re:All Hell? by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the same as this app. Reach for your phone during an arrest, and suddenly, cop thinks you're reaching for a weapon.

    18. Re:All Hell? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how often their mails get caught by spam filters...

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    19. Re:All Hell? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Well, if it was set up properly, a dead battery wouldn't give a false alarm. It should expect a signal being sent from the wristband saying that there is no pulse. Now, the wristband coming loose or being torn off, could result in poor results. Friends and family will stop ignoring the alerts after the 2nd or 3rd time you died. :)

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    20. Re:All Hell? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What if your arm got chopped off? No blood circulation, but the battery would still be good and the strap would still be intact.

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    21. Re:All Hell? by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

      ... and in Zuccotti park it's "shit man I ran out of weed"

      Thank you Freewheelin' Franklin!

      I betcha the 1% never thought of this!

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    22. Re:All Hell? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          That has the same inherent problems as an automated layoff script. If you fail to check in, it will do the action without positive verification.

          Someone was telling me just a few days ago about an ex-employee who had a layoff script in place. She worked every day, and only took a weekend at most. She safely left a 7 day window for her to do the action that told the system that she was still employed. The action required her to have physical access to the network. It was something like it would check that she logged into a local console. No problem there.

          There was a family emergency, and she had to leave town quickly. She planned to be gone for 6 days, which left time to check in when she got back. She forgot to log in for that last day she was in town. Then her return flight was delayed. That was just long enough where her layoff script had to believe she wasn't working any more. It shut down the network, and attempts to bring it back up resulted in it being shut down automatically.

          Her employers weren't very happy about that. They weren't told about the layoff script. It just looked like there was some catastrophic emergency that required the employee to fix things.

          The linked dead man's switch relies on answering an email. That's great, unless an email is blocked (rejected by a spam filter, etc). They are sent at 30, 45, and 52 days. That's a long enough period where you may not notice that you didn't receive a notice lately. At least not until your friends and family start calling because they received the email saying you're dead.
         

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    23. Re:All Hell? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 0

      And make no mistake, most of these stoners/unemployed/cause-of-the-week types will be toting around iPhones, so this app should get a pretty nice reception.

    24. Re:All Hell? by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 2

      And make no mistake, most of these stoners/unemployed/cause-of-the-week types will be toting around iPhones, so this app should get a pretty nice reception.

      Why would the unemployed have a bone to pick with the top 1%?

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    25. Re:All Hell? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to stop production of my brilliant invention idea for the few people who accidentally have their limbs cut off.

      I did a google for "what percentage of the population have their arm accidentally chopped off?" but didn't get an accurate answer.

      I suspect most arm removals are intentional- done by doctors as amputations. The actual number of complete accidental arm-removals is probably a fairly insignificant number.

      If you arm gets accidentally removed you've worse things to think about then a false-positive death announcement.

      In fact- chances are, if you're not already in the hospital- you will lose a lot of blood and die anyway.

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    26. Re:All Hell? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      ...or not being able to pay their high-end college tuition.

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    27. Re:All Hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sending your loved ones false messages of your death is rather cruel.

      Well, I'm not sure that one applies to everyone."

      Even if they open the expensive Champagne, that is still cruel.

    28. Re:All Hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vancouver hockey riots, case and point.

    29. Re:All Hell? by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

      That just gave me the idea for a "I'm Getting Shot!" app.

      Which you'll need to use shortly after abruptly reaching into your pocket and pulling out an object, while in the middle of being arrested.

    30. Re:All Hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a person getting purposefully run over by a New York City police vehicle, I guess the pain is just as bad as getting stabbed by somebody in Darfur. Too bad there isn't that much difference between the violence of police officers in OTHER countries versus the violence of police officers in our own countries. And we all know who those police officers are protecting; it isn't the weakest and most vulnerable in society that the police protect.

      Reference:
      http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1069659--police-move-in-on-occupy-protesters-in-new-york-denver?bn=1

    31. Re:All Hell? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Have a blue-tooth wristband that measures your heartrate- if your heart stops beating it sends an e-mail out to your loved ones.

      It's funny how those were a mainstay in 80's action films like "Escape From New York" and "Aliens." But now, when we finally have the technology to make them happen, no one is wearing them.

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    32. Re:All Hell? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      So where does "someone just pooped on my squad car" fall?

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    33. Re:All Hell? by joss · · Score: 1

      > The actual number of complete accidental arm-removals is probably a fairly insignificant number.

      except in heavily mined places

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  2. Enough time? by aglider · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would you mr policeman give me time to run this pretty app before you use your handcuffs on me?

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    1. Re:Enough time? by Leebert · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was thinking exactly that. I guess if you see the cop coming and reach into your pocket quickly for your phone it might work. What could possibly go wrong?

    2. Re:Enough time? by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I was thinking exactly that. I guess if you see the cop coming and reach into your pocket quickly for your phone it might work. What could possibly go wrong?

      Errr... a bullet in the head?

    3. Re:Enough time? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could rig it with a dead man's switch. While it's active, you periodically have to click on the "I'm okay" button. If you don't, it broadcasts a "Something is wrong" message. Should work, unless the cops think to pull the battery.

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    4. Re:Enough time? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Maybe it should be like a "dead man's switch". If you don't press a button in a certain amount of time, it will send a "Help, I'm being arrested" message.

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    5. Re:Enough time? by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 1

      Siri, tell everyone I'm getting arrested.

      Time for an iPhone app - it should be on iTunes after just a few weeks of Apple review.

    6. Re:Enough time? by ezzzD55J · · Score: 1

      Yes, good idea, and run that logic on the server side.

    7. Re:Enough time? by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 3, Funny

      Phone starts dialing everyone - (000) 000-0001, (000) 000-0002, ...

    8. Re:Enough time? by delinear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course, "Help I'm being arrested" in that case might actually mean "Sorry, I had to go pee and didn't think what would happen if I needed both hands for something else". I wonder if a bluetooth headset and an app that listens for a pre-defined keyword might be a more robust solution, it would kill the battery though. Having said that, I really don't see a point in a "Help I'm being arrested, text my lawer" app, you generally get the option to call them direct anyway, and if the police are denying you that most basic of rights they're already in very murky territory, what's to stop them just denying they have you in custody at all? It seems to me an app that, when you hit the emergency button, starts streaming live video/audio to half a dozen secure servers just in case the police get a bit feisty would be far more useful.

    9. Re:Enough time? by AdamThor · · Score: 2

      That's "Wheatley, tell everyone I'm getting arrested."

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    10. Re:Enough time? by mevets · · Score: 3, Funny

      Frogs and jokes don't fare well by discetion...

    11. Re:Enough time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Note to self: The Dark Lord of Ohio cannot detect sarcasm.

    12. Re:Enough time? by AuralityKev · · Score: 2

      If I have to use both hands to pee I'm buying a completely different app for that. iBrag.

    13. Re:Enough time? by iarnell · · Score: 1

      ... (311) 399-2364
      Greetings Professor Falken.
      Shall we play a game?

    14. Re:Enough time? by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 1

      That seems the be a common trend among dark lords in general. Not really known for their senses of humor, despite all the MUHAWAHAHA's and such.

    15. Re:Enough time? by timeOday · · Score: 1

      No hands needed! It'll be hooked up to Siri and triggered by the phrase "don't tase me bro!"

    16. Re:Enough time? by siglercm · · Score: 1

      Help! Help! I'm being repressed!!!

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    17. Re:Enough time? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      English words fare no better from dissection.

    18. Re:Enough time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I really don't see a point in a "Help I'm being arrested, text my lawer" app,
      > you generally get the option to call them direct anyway,
      > and if the police are denying you that most basic of rights they're already in very murky territory,
      > what's to stop them just denying they have you in custody at all?

      Where have you been arrested?

      In Texas, the cops beat, rape, and torture you. You don't get a phone call.

      I'm speaking from personal experience in Fort Worth, DeSoto, and Dallas.

      RecycledElectrons

    19. Re:Enough time? by jamiesan · · Score: 1

      Bloody Peasant

    20. Re:Enough time? by yabos · · Score: 1

      Don't taze me bro!

    21. Re:Enough time? by bckrispi · · Score: 1

      Also common amongst Ohioans...

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    22. Re:Enough time? by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      Which city did they rape you in? I could use a vacation.

  3. The good news is... by Bardwick · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We're not to far from the first frost of the season, so a good bit of these protests will go away.

    1. Re:The good news is... by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

      yeah, frost or it will turn into some first person shooter.

    2. Re:The good news is... by Amouth · · Score: 2

      and why is it good news that the protests will go away?

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    3. Re:The good news is... by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because then they can at least be warm and comfortable, and not using other people's toilet paper, while not actually accomplishing anything. I mean, it's good news for them, comfort-wise. It's bad news for the people they so hate, because all they're doing it making themselves look and sound ridiculous.

      "We demand jobs!"

      Ah. That's all it takes! Just demand a job from the people who could be hiring, but who aren't hiring because ... don't want to ruin their business and the jobs that it provides to current employees.

      "We demand that bankers go to jail!"

      Then why aren't they protesting in front of the White House, where the guy who has made the descision not to do anything about that actually lives?

      "Leather Shoes Are Murder!"

      "Money Is Evil! and, uh,who's running for coffee and a scone?"

      "Only Vegans Have The Moral Standing To Vote!"

      "Hugo Chavez Has It Right - Nationalize All Media So That The Government Can Only Tell The Truth About How Important And Good They Are!"

      "Union Power! Nobody Needs Managers, Financers, Accountants, Legal Teams, Or Anything Else - Just Workers Who Should All Be Rich!"

      "Everyone Should Get Everything They Want, Except For The People We Say Shouldn't!"

      "US Out Of South Korea! Let North Korea Show They Way!"

      "Peaceful Protests Aren't Enough When You're Dealing With Business Owners!"

      Yeah, I think the one or two people with the intellectual honesty and integrity to be trying to make anything like a valid point in that crowd will definitely be much better off when all the fair-weather go-to-protests-for-the-food-and-to-rack-up-facebook-friends crowd decide it's a little too chilly out and go away.

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    4. Re:The good news is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to sleep and pretend all is right with the world when the world is loudly pointing out the facts.

      Seriously, what kind of person is cool with the psychopathic robbery of the world economy and the average tax paying individual? My guess is either somebody who benefits from that robbery, or a coward who clings to the belief that everything is okay so long as you don't look at the problem.

    5. Re:The good news is... by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Because they don't know what they are protesting.

      They are angry that there are some people who are excessively rich while a lot of them struggling.
      The problem is they think these excessively rich people (who probably should be paying a lot more for taxes) are like Scrooge Mc'Duck and have this big vault filled with cash they they are just sitting on. These people wealth is in their net worth, not their Cash on hand. Their worth is in investments and a lot of thing where their money is floating around the economy.

      The real problem is we don't have a definite way to define someones wealth. A small farmer's net worth could be Millions of dollars but they are living a middle class or a lower middle class life, because their net worth is spread across a lot of expenses and money that he cannot use for himself. While someone else making 100k a year who net worth isn't Millions of dollars is living a better life then the farmer.

      Taxing people more who live in excess is a good thing. But the trick is to figure out who is living in excess and who isn't, because their money is working for them, and they cannot use it for anything they want.

      The debate is pointless. that is the problem, It isn't offering a solution to the problem, all it is saying yea we are angry. So what.

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    6. Re:The good news is... by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Didn't stop the union protesters in WI last year (although that was freezing rain, not just frost). Of course, they had something concrete that they were protesting against and an easily definable goal. The Madison police also managed to not arrest anyone unnecessarily in that case (possibly because they are public sector union employees themselves, although the law doesn't effect them directly). And then again, the protesters in WI were smart enough and careful enough not to do anything remotely illegal.

    7. Re:The good news is... by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Didn't stop the union protesters in WI last year (although that was freezing rain, not just frost).

      Wisconsinites attend outdoor winter football games with no shirts on. You can't extrapolate what type of weather Wisconsinites can tolerate onto pansy Easterners.

      Go Badgers!

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    8. Re:The good news is... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Because they don't know what they are protesting.

      It's a good thing you're smarter than all of them and setting them straight here on Slashdot.

      --Jeremy

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    9. Re:The good news is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the people who contribute nothing are being robbed. That's not a paradox or anything.

    10. Re:The good news is... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i don't think you understand why they are there - everyone has their own reasons, most of them have the same overall point. personally if i didn't have a wife and a kid to feed at home i would be there.

      my problem - is with the "bailouts" if i had run the company i work at into the ground like that no one would have helped me - the people getting the bailouts from the government would be the ones selling my equipment at auction to get every penny out of me. i have neighbors who are out of work - who got their mortgage "restructured" and their interest rate lowered - while i can't seem to get mine even refinanced at a decent rate at a low cost even though i have wonderful credit.

      my problem is that the government has a habit or rewarding bad behavior in the gauze of helping the public. and i'm sick of working my ass off to make ends meet and put money away for a rainy day and watching people with more than i have getting "assistance" for doing less.

      if i was there i would know exactly what i was protesting - and i'm sure each person there knows what they are protesting. the fact that there isn't a single line item agenda to me shows more than if there was - being so diverse to me better reflects the feelings of the people rather than a single person/group using the people protesting a means to their end.

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    11. Re:The good news is... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Yes, absolutely! Since we can't nail down the definition to the last decimal place we should just declare the laws against fraud null and void. Then we can all bend over, yank our butt cheeks open and yell OOHHHH rape me first master!

    12. Re:The good news is... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

      Because you don't know what they are protesting.

      FTFY

    13. Re:The good news is... by Hatta · · Score: 2

      It isn't offering a solution to the problem, all it is saying yea we are angry. So what.

      Standing up and making noise is the first step towards getting a problem fixed. Obama, Boehner, Cantor and the rest would be happy to ignore the problem that's been growing for 30 years.

      Do you really expect solutions from a bunch of unemployed college grads? They're not economists. The fact that they have trouble articulating a solution doesn't mean they haven't identified a real problem. The solution should come from the people whose job it is to run the country.

      Unfortunately, we have no way of making them do their jobs. The only thing we can do is make noise.

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    14. Re:The good news is... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1, Informative

      Simple Answer:
      Both the Teaparty and OWS are showing that the "little man" is FED UP with the multitude of faults/criminality of the government/banking/you name it... The only difference is the OWS, being predominately brainwashed liberal kids who are throwbacks to the 60s hippy movement, and are behaving like animals. Of course, since this is typically how modern liberals behave anyway, the establishment cuts them slack, like todays mayor bloomberg backing down on evicting the crowds from the park. The Teaparty, on the other hand, protests in a peaceable manner, and despite all the claims by the MSM that Teapartyers are racist, I'd challenge anybody to point to one documented case of a Teapartier doing ANYthing as reprehensible as some of the OWS crowds have done. Bottom line: as much as it pains me to say both groups are protesting the same thing, only one group, OWS, acting like spoiled little brats with a "gimme" attitude given to them by their liberal university indoctrination. The Teaparty protests the same criminality, but does so with civility and MUCH better grooming than the OWS bunch.

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    15. Re:The good news is... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Individuals affiliated with the Teaparty HAVE solutions to the problems.. VERY good solutions, IF you're not one of the criminal group that CAUSED this mess. The people who were instrumental in causing this mess, (I'm looking at YOU, Frank and Dodd) SHOULD be behind bars at Leavenworth. Of course, the current inhabitant of the WH, would not go for these solutions, nor many of the left-leaning "Republicans".. If EVERYone who contributed to this mess was tried and if convicted, put into federal PMITA prison, this would teach a powerful lesson to ANYONE who contemplated repeating this fiasco.. Perhaps "Bahney Fwank" might even enjoy the PMITA part of his sentence..

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    16. Re:The good news is... by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      If you were aware that there are two sides, one being robbed and one doing the robbing, why would you not get on the robbing side?

    17. Re:The good news is... by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Taxing people more who live in excess is a good thing. But the trick is to figure out who is living in excess and who isn't

      Anyone who can afford to pay a lobbyist to go to Washington D.C. is living in excess.

    18. Re:The good news is... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      First off - you don't have a "simple answer" because i didn't ask you a question.

      Second i don't take kind to labels, anyone who is willing to group people they have never met into derogatory groups for actions or view of someone else has issues.

      If you would like to have a conversation on the topic rather than trying to give a dictation let me know, else i'm leaving it at that.

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    19. Re:The good news is... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to agree to that, if you include GWB, Hank Paulson, Ed Liddy, etc. Sound fair? We can work together on this.

      OWS has a lot more in common with the portions of the Tea Party that haven't been coopted by the Republican party than it does any mainstream politician.

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  4. Needs live streaming by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    An app that streams live audio and video to the web (in case the phone is confiscated or destroyed) would help catch those abusing their power. The key is to make it automatic and impossible to prevent, short of jamming mobile networks. Evidence is the most important weapon in the war on abusive authorities.

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    1. Re:Needs live streaming by technomom · · Score: 2

      Like this one? or this one or even this one if you set it up to auto-upload.

    2. Re:Needs live streaming by technomom · · Score: 1

      Sorry, forgot this one too. It's made to record inside automobile footage but there's no reason you can't use it for anything else.

  5. Look Ma, I'm Getting Arrested! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eighth time in this week?
    Don't come back home u filthy scum!!!!

  6. Corporate shills! by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is awesome. So while I'm out protesting corporations, I can use my phone, produced by a corporation, to notify my family that I've been arrested. Maybe I can get one of them to bring me a frapacino.

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    1. Re:Corporate shills! by Vanders · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, I don't think it's necessary for the protesters to abhor technology: it's a "No true Scotsman" fallacy to suggest that they should. If they were protesting Google, Samsung, HTC and AT&T directly then yeah, there would be some hypocrisy there. As it is they're on Wall St. and are directing their protests at the banks, mostly.

    2. Re:Corporate shills! by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      Because GOOG, SSNLF, 2498.TW, and T are unconnected in any way to Wall Street.

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    3. Re:Corporate shills! by LanMan04 · · Score: 2

      You are the most prolific strawman-builder I've ever seen.

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    4. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing Facebook hasn't IPO'd yet, they can still use them. >.>

    5. Re:Corporate shills! by Vanders · · Score: 1

      Everyone is connected to Wall Street in some way. The protesters are wearing clothes too, and those clothes are made by companies. Are we going to declare that only naked protesters are "real" now? Like I said, "No True Scotsman"

    6. Re:Corporate shills! by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      That's nonsense. Those people out there are fighting the big corporations with the power of their MacBooks!

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    7. Re:Corporate shills! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I suppose it would be more "pure" to eschew anything produced by a corporation while protesting their influence, but then the protesters would need to carry around stone tablets and chisels to communicate, all while wearing animal skins (or protesting in the nude). However, I see no hypocrisy in using all available technologies at their disposal to make their point. After all, the protests are not against technology, but rather corporate greed, government corruption and the undue influence of power and money on the political system.

      Perhaps (as your post seems to infer) everyone should just STFU and accept the wonderful economic condition the US is in, due in no small part by the factors mentioned above, eh? I'm sure "Corporate America" thanks you for your support.

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    8. Re:Corporate shills! by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      When you exist in a world where the dominant social relation is capital, the vast majority of the things you use will be produced by means of capital, dumbass.

    9. Re:Corporate shills! by ArcherB · · Score: 2

      I suppose it would be more "pure" to eschew anything produced by a corporation while protesting their influence, but then the protesters would need to carry around stone tablets and chisels to communicate, all while wearing animal skins (or protesting in the nude). However, I see no hypocrisy in using all available technologies at their disposal to make their point. After all, the protests are not against technology, but rather corporate greed, government corruption and the undue influence of power and money on the political system.

      I see it as people having liberals having Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speak about human rights. I have no problem with them using technology, as long as the tech they use is not produced by the very people they are protesting. If they have a problem with Haliburton or Bank of America, they should protest Haliburton or Bank of America, not all of Wall St. See, much of my retirement is tied up in Wall St and I'm the working class schlub they are supposed to be protesting for. They are NOT helping!

      Perhaps (as your post seems to infer) everyone should just STFU and accept the wonderful economic condition the US is in, due in no small part by the factors mentioned above, eh? I'm sure "Corporate America" thanks you for your support.

      Taking down corporations is not going to improve our economic situation. It will put a bunch of people out of work and turn us into a country like India with an even more defined caste system. Lower energy prices, lower taxes, less regulation, and most importantly, STABILITY, are ways to improve our economic situation. Then again, I don't see these guys as Nobel Laureate Economists.

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    10. Re:Corporate shills! by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      But we are talking about a smartphone.

      If a person can't leave off buying a smartphone + voice and data and texting plan, with 0 degrees of separation between the seller and the stock market, it causes me to question their level of commitment and true understanding of what you describe as "everyone is connected to Wall Street". You'd have to win a contest to get a phone with fewer people between you and an actual 1%er.

      If this movement could more accurately focus on chrony capitalism versus capitalism, the duality wouldn't sting as much. But a lot of people just want an excuse to set something on fire and I don't blame them.

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    11. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Those people out there are fighting the big corporations with the power of their MacBooks!" ...built by Chinese slave laborers just before they committed suicide.

    12. Re:Corporate shills! by Vanders · · Score: 2

      I have no problem with them using technology, as long as the tech they use is not produced by the very people they are protesting

      Just what technology would be that be, precisely? Flint knives and smoke signals?

    13. Re:Corporate shills! by Thud457 · · Score: 2
      There's a difference between
      • a company whose stock is traded on the market
      • and

      • a company that manipulates the market, crashing economies around the world
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    14. Re:Corporate shills! by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      except facebook has sold stock to investors who are the very people the protesters are protesting.

    15. Re:Corporate shills! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 0

      I see. You are OK with the country going down the tubes as long as it doesn't impact your retirement. Gotcha. Thanks for playing.

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    16. Re:Corporate shills! by Amouth · · Score: 1

      correct.. i have no problem with a publicly traded company.. i do have problems with companies whose goal and purpose is to manipulate the market for their own benefit and not the benefit of society as a whole.

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    17. Re:Corporate shills! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      YES!

      But only good looking people. Fat Ugly people are just there because they are pervs

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    18. Re:Corporate shills! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      And these protesters want to get rid of capital. Dumbass indeed.

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    19. Re:Corporate shills! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I doubt that anyone wants corporations to go away. They're not protesting corporations or the products they make. They are protesting against the unhealthy intertwining of business and politics. They're protesting that they, essentially, pay for the manager's bonus payments with their tax money. They're protesting against the "privatize profits, socialize losses" policy that has invaded wall street and got the blessing of the government.

      The products are not the problem. If there's a problem, then that you cannot even get anything that's not made by a corporation these days, highlighting just how these parasites can hold whole economies ransom and blackmail them into covering their losses if their gambling fails.

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    20. Re:Corporate shills! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You might want to check how much Goldman Sachs 'invested' in Facebook before making that comment...

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    21. Re:Corporate shills! by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      What if he is? He just made a perfectly good point. These people are standing around sipping their lattes with signs that talk about "toppling" all businesses and whatnot. I'm sure they'll be happy when the case of the clap they got under a blanket at the protest is treated instead with the antibiotics made by the guy down the street with whom they've bartered pumpkin seeds and some hand-drawn manga books, what with The Man and is money-handling and his employees-making-antibiotics-in-actual-laboratories-and-all being Eeeeeeevil.

      That you can't pick up on a simple bit of rhetoric ... never mind. You did. You just don't like the point he makes, because it's true.

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    22. Re:Corporate shills! by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      Tell yourself whatever you must to get what you want.

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    23. Re:Corporate shills! by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      How many of them have investments that are managed by financial managers?

    24. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Those people out there are fighting the big corporations with the power of their MacBooks!" ...built by Chinese slave laborers just before they honorably sacrificed their flawed mortality for the glory and righteousness of The Ascended Lord Steve Jobs.

      Get it right next time. You wouldn't want His Almightiness to be mad, do you?

    25. Re:Corporate shills! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

      You just don't like the point he makes, because it's true.

      You really believe that? Were the civil rights protesters during the 60's hypocritical because they wore clothes manufactured by corporations controlled by white people? Were those that fought in the American Revolutionary war hypocritical because they used weapons that were copies of British design?

      Perhaps you could get congress to pass a law stating that free speech should be limited to the use of technologies not controlled by corporations, thereby effectively eliminating the "problem" of free speech altogether.

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    26. Re:Corporate shills! by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      It goes farther than that...a group of publicly traded companies assisted by lapdog government that turn around and stabbed the whole country in the back.

      The group there doesn't have a problem when corporations compete fairly and aren't manipulating the government.

      Of course, no one anti-OWS wants to hear facts. They just want to shoot off personal attacks.

    27. Re:Corporate shills! by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      They do? I've been following the protests and the only persons really talking about socialism are the anti-OWS types.

    28. Re:Corporate shills! by lolcutusofbong · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The basic idea of business is "I provide you with something you want, you give me reasonable compensation," not a massive accountancy circle-jerk. It's like how patents were used to protect inventors of physical devices and create a public good, but are now being used to say "There is no legal way for you to implement this algorithm neener neener neener."

    29. Re:Corporate shills! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

      How many of them have investments that are managed by financial managers?

      What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

      If my bank slaps a charge on my account for something I didn't purchase, do I have to close my account and relinquish any ties I have with them before I can confront them with the issue?

      Contrary to your apparent worldview, the vast majority of folks in the lower half of the income scale in this country do not have investment portfolios and are simply struggling to feed their families or pay rent.

      Back in 1980, the top 1% of all income earners in America brought in about 10% of all income. Today, the top 1% of all income earners bring in about 20% of all income. If the ranks of the top income earners were populated by a huge number of entrepreneurs and small business owners, it wouldn't be such a bad thing. But instead, the reality is that most of the very wealthy either work in the financial community or they work for the biggest corporations. True capitalism is supposed to create a very healthy environment for small businesses. Instead, our current system suffocates them out of existence.

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    30. Re:Corporate shills! by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Insightful

          Protests such as this don't serve to resolve any problems. They only serve to draw attention to the problem. Would one, ten, or ten million people standing around complaining about a problem make a difference? Not really.

          It would be more effective if those protesters, their friends, and their families, all cashed in their stock, paid off their loans (so as not to pay further interest), closed their bank accounts, and effectively said "hell no, we won't let you have any more of our money!"

          I've been doing my part towards this. I am open about problems I've had with banks. A recent even was with Wells Fargo. They started charging me fees which were contrary to federal law. I went to the bank first to discuss it. They refused to accept the fact that they were breaking the law. I filed a federal complaint over it. When faced with this they begrudgingly agreed to waive the fees, but still refused to admit that they were at fault. Basically, they claimed it was my fault that they were illegally applying fees. In the end, I closed my account without needing to pay the fees. Several friends did the same. I'm just one person, and it was only a handful of accounts that were closed because of this. If every person who was wronged did the same thing, it would have a severe impact on banks and other companies that are viewed as "doing wrong". These companies can only thrive for as long as they have these huge customer bases, that pay fees and interest.

          In other words, don't complain about the problem. Do something about the problem. Stop paying them to be the problem.

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    31. Re:Corporate shills! by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      I have a serious problem with anyone who believes I must act for the benefit of society as a whole, not the least part of which no one is qualified to judge that benefit.

    32. Re:Corporate shills! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You really believe that? Were the civil rights protesters during the 60's hypocritical because they wore clothes manufactured by corporations controlled by white people?

      Civil rights protestors weren't saying that clothing makers are evil because they incorporate as businesses, they were saying that laws and practices based on skin pigment were. They didn't want to tear down white businesses, they wanted government-sanctioned segregation to end. They wanted to be able run their own businesses without capricious skin-based laws getting in the way of hiring and transacting business. See the difference? The "tear down businesses" people want to end businesses, not start one, or thrive while running one of their own. The civil rights folks didn't want a Nanny State (though some Marxists did use the spotlight to elbow their way into the scene), they wanted equal protection. The current idiots chanting about "fair shares" of things, simply want stuff taken from someone else, and given to them ... structurally, permantently, as a way of life. They want slaves.

      Were those that fought in the American Revolutionary war hypocritical because they used weapons that were copies of British design?

      No, because the cause for which they were fighting wasn't the abolishment of certain musket designs, or the ending of the rights to own them. If they had made ending the use of guns for any reason their cause, then one might note some hypocrisy in using them. But of course that was the last thing they had in mind (rather, one of the things they wanted was - among so many other things - less colonial influence over their right to own and use guns as they saw fit).

      Your analogies are way off base. The "occupy" people are - among other things - talking about violence being perhaps necessary to "topple" capitalism. About an actual revolution (at which point we hear thinly veiled references to actual revolutionary war) aimed at eliminating stock markets, centrally controlling jobs and personal earnings, etc. When you spout that sort of crap, and then go and tell a business owner that you want to use his bathroom, but that he's evil for incorporating his pizza shop, you really are dealing actual hypocrites.

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    33. Re:Corporate shills! by Amouth · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that every act by every person should be for the benefit of society - but when your sole purpose is to exploit someone else to better your self at the cost of that person/people then you are in the wrong.

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    34. Re:Corporate shills! by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      EVen then.... its not the technology that they would be protesting. Nobody is protesting the fact that these companies provide services, its the manner in which they conduct business.

      Its only a very superficial sort of hypocrisy, and really none at all. Afterall... who better to protest a companies business practices than the very customers who pay them for their services? You can't say that such a person doesn't have a stake in whats happening.

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    35. Re:Corporate shills! by sjames · · Score: 1

      So unless they are naked and starving you call them hypocrites?

    36. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a serious problem with anyone who believes I must act for the benefit of society as a whole

      That Jesus dude was a real prick, wasn't he?

    37. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I can get one of them to bring me a frapacino.

      That's "frappicino".

      Sorry, pet peeve.

    38. Re:Corporate shills! by inviolet · · Score: 1

      What if he is? He just made a perfectly good point. These people are standing around sipping their lattes with signs that talk about "toppling" all businesses and whatnot. I'm sure they'll be happy when the case of the clap they got under a blanket at the protest is treated instead with the antibiotics made by the guy down the street with whom they've bartered pumpkin seeds and some hand-drawn manga books, what with The Man and is money-handling and his employees-making-antibiotics-in-actual-laboratories-and-all being Eeeeeeevil.

      Hypocrisy is not a major sin... at least, outside of Leftism, which recognizes it as the ONLY sin.

      I will give them a pass on their minor hypocrisy in order to listen to their broader message about the very serious evil called regulatory capture. The related whining about our society's current level of equality is forgettable, but the regulatory capture issue is dead serious.

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    39. Re:Corporate shills! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      http://politicons.net/occupy-l-a-speaker-violence-socialism-will-be-necessary-to-achieve-our-goals/

      Not just socialism, VIOLENCE. Not to dismiss it but there is also a clear anti-semetic vein going through the OWS crowd, with their "blame the Jews" chant.

      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-blame-the-jews-hitlers-bankers-wall-street.html

      Let see, Socialism, Blame the Jews, Charismatic Leader swepted into power ... where have I heard that before?

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    40. Re:Corporate shills! by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Hallowed be his name.

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    41. Re:Corporate shills! by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The fact that you live in the world as it is shouldn't stop you from advocating for a better one. Should 19th century Abolitionists have walked around naked to protest the cotton industry?

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    42. Re:Corporate shills! by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Contrary to your apparent worldview, the vast majority of folks in the lower half of the income scale in this country do not have investment portfolios and are simply struggling to feed their families or pay rent.

      The median household income across all households in the US is ~$80,000. I would HARDLY call that "struggling to feed their families". I personally know folks whos median income is under $40k for a household of 6, and THEY arent even struggling (and its not because of difficulties getting a job).

      Struggling to feed your family isnt really even possible in this country because of all the social safety nets we have; you can have no money, no job, no family, and no friends and STILL have a warm place to sleep and food to eat in this country (though it wouldnt really be what you would call a comfortable existence).

      Really, you should come back to reality. There arent people starving to death in the streets in this country, and those who do, do because-- and my sympathies go out to them, but this is the brutal reality-- they do not take the initiative to get food. That is, it ISNT an issue of food being unavailable. The rare exceptions to this are the elderly, where their families did not make sure someone was able to care for them and feed them-- but again its not an issue of "food wasnt available" as much as "people not being able to attend to their personal basic needs".

    43. Re:Corporate shills! by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      See, much of my retirement is tied up in Wall St and I'm the working class schlub they are supposed to be protesting for. They are NOT helping!

      That's a nice insurance policy Wall Street has. If the serfs get too uppity, just crash their retirement. That way you get a country full of Uncle Toms running to prop up the system. Aren't you upset about being in such a bind that you can't even speak your mind for fear of losing your retirement?

      Putting your retirement in the stock market is a stupid idea to begin with. Workers should be paid enough that they can save what they need to retire on, without being forced to gamble, or fund unethical behavior.

      Taking down corporations is not going to improve our economic situation

      Very few people want to take down corporations. We just want them to play fair. They should pay their workers a fair share of the profits. The officers of corporations should go to jail when the corporation commits crimes. And they shouldn't have undue influence over the political process.

      Do you disagree?

      Then again, I don't see these guys as Nobel Laureate Economists.

      At least one Nobel Laureate economist has strongly supported the economic ideas behind OWS.

      the extremists threatening American values are what F.D.R. called "economic royalists," not the people camping in Zuccotti Park.
      -Paul Krugman

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    44. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capitalism everywhere, or socialism everywhere, but socialism for the TBTF and capitalism for everyone else is kinda sucking right now.

    45. Re:Corporate shills! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1
      You need to get those glasses fixed. According to your own link, the median income is $60,000 (not $80k), but even those are outdated 2009 figures. Median income is currently at about $49k. http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/poverty_rate_income/index.htm

      The poverty rate ( $22,314 a year for a family of four and $11,139 for an individual) rose from 14.3 in 2009 to 15.1 in 2010. You may know folks with a family of 6 making less than $40k, but I'm sure if you ask them, they'll tell you they're struggling. According to the Dept of Agriculture, the cost of raising a (1) child went from $9,860 ten years ago to $13,830 in 2010. Six people (assuming 4 children + 2 adults) = $80k+, and that assumes children cost less than adults - probably a bad assumption.

      By "struggling to feed your family", I meant "providing for your family" in a generic sense, be it food, clothing, roof over their head, etc. It's true, you can send your family out to the local soup kitchen to eat. If that's the kind of America you like, well then you should be happy with the current conditions (though I doubt you'd feel the same if you were in that position).

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    46. Re:Corporate shills! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

      Yay Paul Krugman! I used to read his op-eds in the NYT a few years ago - before I stopped reading the NYT entirely. He was so often very sensible and to my mind, correct most of the time. A real voice of reason. Glad to know he is still making sense.

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    47. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking down corporations is not going to improve our economic situation. It will put a bunch of people out of work and turn us into a country like India with an even more defined caste system.

      i'm sure you enjoy thinking of india as some steaming pile of waste, inferior to the US in every way. here are some facts you might want to consider though...

      cia world factbook puts 2010 unemployment in india @ 10.7%
      bls statistics puts 2010 unemployment in the us @ 9.0 - 9.2%

      the bls uses questionable methods to measure that shit by the way.

      just saying: in india you can actually GET A JOB working for many of these companies (you think are)* being protested. i don't think that's helping a whole lot of americans retire securely, but i may be wrong.

      * what you think is being protested is probably less based on OWS statements, and more based on conjecture, being a typical /. poster.

    48. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know a non-corporate flint knife maker?

    49. Re:Corporate shills! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1
      Oh, in case you weren't aware of the wealth distribution in the US, you might be surprised at the following:

      The top 10% own nearly 80% of the wealth of the country.

      Top 1% own 38.1%
      Top 96-99% own 21.3%
      Top 90-95% own 11.5%
      .
      .
      .
      Bottom 40% own 0.2%

      But then again, that bottom 40% are just a bunch of lazy people, unlike the to 5%, right? But wait, among the top 5%, only 19% make their income the old fashioned way (e.g. working for it). By far, most make their income through investments or other financial instruments.

      Additionally, it is also important to realize that the lower half of that top 1% has far less than those in the top half; in fact, both wealth and income are super-concentrated in the top 0.1%, which is just one in a thousand.

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    50. Re:Corporate shills! by bckrispi · · Score: 1

      Of course, because a couple far right wing rags say a radical with a microphone and his crowd of ten speak for an entire movement, that makes it so. And people wonder why I laugh at teabaggers...

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    51. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir, have amazingly unbiased sources. /sarcasm

    52. Re:Corporate shills! by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Again, you're putting words in their mouthes. There is nothing anti-corporate about their agenda...they simply want to hold the gambling house that is Wall Street accountable to its debts, which for some reason, all of society (except them) had to pay.

      Here is a list of their demands from their website; they basically try to remove as much conflict of interest and "sign my own paycheck" activities as possible from banking and, to some degree, government as well:

      1) CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT.

      2) USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE WALL STREET CRIMINALS

      3) CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION

      4) RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON.

      5) CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE.

      6) CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
      CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.

      7) CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED.

      8) ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS.

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    53. Re:Corporate shills! by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      OK, so that explains the speakers who talk about peaceful protests not being enough when businesses are involved, and signs that talk about tearing down companies, blah blah blah.

      I do like that whole "Fair Share" part, though. Does that mean that the 50% of Americans who pay no incomes are now going to finally have to, like I do? Will the people who not only pay no income taxes, but actually get a "refund" on the taxes they don't pay, finally have to step up and contribute to the society in which they have a vote? Good!

      Oh, and the whole fairness doctrine stuff - that's fabulous. Really looking forward to government speech police. And reverseing the CU case? Great idea! It's so much better to go back to a law that allows some people to speak, but makes other people felons for saying the same thing. Excellent! You are a true champion of liberty, with your backing of a government approved free-to-speak list, and it being a crime to express political thoughts, otherwise.

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    54. Re:Corporate shills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is. The protests are about corporations buying influence in washington. Where do you think they get the money to buy politicians? From you buying their products. Where do you think those politicians came from that are being bought? You voted for them.
      The solution to the problem is to stop giving money to corporations that pay politicians to do bad things, and to stop re-electing politicians that sell out. The problem is that the people occupying wall st. would rather congregate and cause trouble than actually give up all the conveniences they enjoy.

    55. Re:Corporate shills! by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      You need to get those glasses fixed. According to your own link, the median income is $60,000 (not $80k), but even those are outdated 2009 figures.

      That may be, and you are correct it was $60k-- which doesnt change my statement much. Your link however is dubious, if it claims that the median income for both this year and last year are the same, but are down 11k from 2009. I suspect the difference comes from that tricky phrase "For middle-class families, income fell in 2010. The median household income was.... " . Without that actually being quantified (you know, like the hard-numbers table that I provided), you really have no idea WHAT that is saying-- it opens the door for all sorts of number trickery. Tip for future stats-linking, if you actually get a table from the government rather than a media source (which carries its own bias), its a lot more credible.

      You may know folks with a family of 6 making less than $40k, but I'm sure if you ask them, they'll tell you they're struggling.

      Its a close relative, and hes not struggling. Thanks for speaking on their behalf, however.

      According to the Dept of Agriculture, the cost of raising a (1) child went from $9,860 ten years ago to $13,830 in 2010.

      Well, Im sure they know best. Im sure people actually doing the raising have no idea what it costs. It also ignores the costs society bears because of all the safety nets our society has, and ignores that making 22k doesnt mean that your buying power is limited to 22k (again, because of the safety nets). And were those nets not there, you have no way of knowing if that person would even be STUCK with only 22k.

    56. Re:Corporate shills! by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Top 1% own 38.1%
      Top 96-99% own 21.3%
      Top 90-95% own 11.5%

      You know, lets assume those stats are accurate.

      This kind of thinking always struck me as third-grader thinking. Who cares if joe got two cookies and you only got one? If you didnt know he had two cookies, you wouldnt be complaining in the first place. If your salary sucks, take it up with your boss. If it doesnt, stop complaining that someone else is getting more, because it doesnt impact you.

      Also, I would note that almost half of americans pay no taxes, and (from same article) the top 10% (those greedy jerks) pay 73% of all taxes. Never mind that that really doesnt square with the limited form taxes were supposed to take, we need to PUNISH them for the crime of HAVING MONEY.

    57. Re:Corporate shills! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1
      From your comments,I think you're worldview is pretty clear. There's really no need to discuss further.

      My advice (which I'm sure you could give a damn about) would be to (really) examine your conscious (as in putting yourself in the position of those with less than yourself), do some research and then decide whether you really like the economic setup in this country (where the top 1% own nearly 40% of the wealth and have the political power that comes along with that wealth), then vote accordingly. If you are OK with Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Larry Ellison, et al having an order of a magnitude more effective vote than yours, then keep supporting them because without attitudes like yours, their power and influence would evaporate.

      If you're thinking I advocate some sort of wealth redistribution in this country, you'd be right. And if you are one of those who see "wealth redistribution" as some sort of code word for socialism, think again. The folks at the top of the economic food chain have been executing wealth redistribution for years (look up "neoliberalism"), it's just that they've been rigging the system so that the wealth rises to the top at an increasingly accelerated rate. Just compare the changes in wealth distribution in the US over the last 60 years - using hard numbers - and you'll see what I mean. Personally, I support changing that dynamic (which is really the crux of what the Occupy movement is about).

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  7. App accidentally runs... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Could be embarrassing if you accidentally run the app.

    / did not rtfa incase it says something about that.

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  8. police state by Lord+Dreamshaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    regardless of where you stand on any of the issues or what you think about any protests and protesters, whether you think all police are jackbooted thugs or are paragons of virtue, or (more realistically) somewhere in between, the fact that there is a (perceived or actual) need for this app is an incredibly sad comment on our times

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    1. Re:police state by Tomato42 · · Score: 1

      Only in US of America.

    2. Re:police state by cbope · · Score: 1

      Sad to say I totally agree. The police in practically every US state have shown time after time that they are fully willing to break the law and assault peacefully protesting citizens without cause. Not that this is limited to the US, but it seems to be rampant there now.

      When peaceful protest becomes a crime, you know something is seriously wrong with the system.

    3. Re:police state by hrvatska · · Score: 1

      There's always been a need for this app. It's just now that the technology to implement it for the masses exists.

    4. Re:police state by Formorian · · Score: 1

      Really? People in UK don't feel somewhat if not more the same way? Huh i need new friends then.

    5. Re:police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I'm sure nobody else in the entire world would has problems of a similar nature.

    6. Re:police state by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In the US, you're at least nominally allowed a call. If anywhere, you'd need it ... well, everywhere else.

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    7. Re:police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The police literally get away with Murder these days; even after its been proved they lied and/or manufactured evidence. There's no shortage of police torturing innocent protesters, or even people simply standing up for their rights.

      In the US there has become a massive divide in understanding of what's going on around them. There are those who believe the police are neutral to paragons of virtue and then there are those who believe the police are downright even. The sad fact is, most communities no longer have police; rather they have a paramilitary group who thinks of the civilian population (they literally like to believe they are not civilians) as "them." Accordingly, since almost every police station is constantly re-enforced that an "us" vs "them" mentality is required to function, police no longer feel connected to their communities. Worse, police must police the people who are the shitbags of the world. This only re-enforces that the "them" are all shitbags of the world and torturing is too good for "us". Add to that fact that high intelligence is specifically weeded out from most police departments, its impossible to always have sane interactions with police.

      As a result, the divide in population can easily be generalized as the ignorant and the informed. The ignorant believe the average cop is something more than neutral while the informed understand at best, your typical police officer is slightly better than neutral. Which of course means, the average officer operates just on the other side with tendencies to wonder as after all, a boot in the back of the head on one of "them" is deserved for all the things they didn't actually catch you do. "Them" are just shitbags after all.

      Seriously, spend some time on You Tube and visit some of the pro-citizen websites which love to provide details of police-public interactions. You will be amazed how frequently police literally murder people and their only punishment is paid vacation. And if at any time you feel anything in this post is untrue, it only means you've not seriously made an effort to look at the rampant abuses which literally take place every day all across America by paramilitary groups who literally believe they are above the law. They just happen to cal themselves police.

    8. Re:police state by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      It's a sad comment, but is it really about "our times?" Untrusted government isn't a new invention.

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    9. Re:police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) The existence of an app does not demonstrate a perceived or actual need: there are a thousand and one apps to mimic farting sounds, to mimic air guitars, to do all sorts of useless things, but these do not demonstrate an actual need for machines to create farts and play air guitar, nor is there much of a perceived need for it.

      b) Even if there is a perception of a need among the protestors, they are a very small, fringe minority whose perceptions do not mirror those of the majority. That's why they're a fringe. Perhaps twenty thousand from around the country arrived in New York, one of the largest cities in the world, for some of the marches; fifty to ninety thousand show up for each college football game, whether in a city or in the middle of nowhere, every weekend. The perceived needs of a few thousand protestors are a statistically insignificant blip on the American radar screen.

      c) That the people protesting all have wireless computer-phones capable of informing the world of their arrest ought to give anyone considering their protest's narrative pause: each of them is carrying a miracle of modern technology, a device made by a large corporation that uses a cellular network operated by a large corporation to enable individuals, like protestors, to communicate with anyone in the world (including informing them of arrests) without any censorship. In a world of jackbooted thugs and slavery to the [corporation|government, depending on whether you're left-wing fringe or right-wing fringe], the cell network around the protestors would be jammed or shut down, their ability to gather for protest would have been thwarted by disruptive technology and censorship, and they wouldn't have nearly the ability for communication that they do. Plus, if they were really economically oppressed, they would be too busy working for watery gruel and certainly wouldn't be able to afford cell phones.

    10. Re:police state by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      The perceived value of this app will be most for people who intentionally set up situations to make the cops react strongly, so they can have a damning youtube video to post.

      I mean, it would be great if everyone had this just in case a police state were to come about (I guess), but probably 80% of the people who have this are people who would resist arrest just to get tasered so that they could go on about police brutality.

    11. Re:police state by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      break the law and assault peacefully protesting citizens without cause.

      Theres the rub, isnt it? What makes you say the arrests were without cause? Because unsubstantiated, unofficial comments on youtube go on about the police state?

    12. Re:police state by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Is there really a need for this app? I mean, if you're arrested, you get a phone call. It's public record. It's not like the authorities can just "disappear" you.

      You may want the app, but I don't think you really need it, per se.

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    13. Re:police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boot licker.

      Also, anyone who has a smartphone can already make a damning Youtube video without this app.

    14. Re:police state by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Very clearly, since I recognize the "dont tase me bro" video as being a sensationalist video trying to smear cops (who used about the right amount of force, honestly), Im a boot licker.

      It cant be that 80% of the people calling themselves victims, in almost every situation, arent actually victims (or are significantly less victimized than they claim); oh no. In these times, EVERYONE is ALWAYS being traumatized by their portfolio, the police state, Big Brother, and the corporate thugs.

      Sorry, any time and in any article where someone pulls out a sob story and claims to be a victim-- be it politician, company, or individual-- I tend to be skeptical and to look for any angle that might show it to be a load of hogwash-- because most of the time it is. There are precious few cases of "im purely an innocent victim here".

    15. Re:police state by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Just try getting the coin operated phone to work. That is if you happen to have a quarter on you...

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    16. Re:police state by gothzilla · · Score: 1

      There were over 600 peaceful protests nationwide a little while ago performed by the tea party. Not one single arrest. Sorry but your claim that these protests are peaceful is totally and completely full of crap. There's a large number of videos on youtube showing these supposedly peaceful protesters causing all kinds of trouble you should check out. Not the ones edited by the protesters either. You know the ones where they cut out the bit where they aren't being peaceful and only show the consequences of their actions in an attempt to convince people they're being oppressed.

  9. Another tool by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    Another tool for the cops who are having a bad day to use against you.

    "Ron, first confiscation you make from a subject is no longer the gun. It's the mobile phone."

    I jest, I jest. Or do I?

    1. Re:Another tool by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Jest? I would be surprised if it isn't already so.

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    2. Re:Another tool by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Jest? I would be surprised if it isn't already so.

      Hence, "Or do I?"

      ;)

  10. Look Ma... by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

    I hope it's free app. People who get arrested usually have the right for one phone call (if they are still able to talk)...

    1. Re:Look Ma... by djlemma · · Score: 3, Informative

      One phone call using a landline at the police station that can only call other landlines within the local area code... and that's after you've had your personal phone confiscated, so if there's anybody you can call that meets those criteria you better have their number memorized.

    2. Re:Look Ma... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, off the top of your head give me your lawyers phone number, and the alternate number if you first family contact doesn't answer?

      Oh right, you store those in your phone.

    3. Re:Look Ma... by delinear · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you're going along to a protest where you think there's the possibility you might run into trouble with the police, it would be prudent to memorise them, or even simpler, write them down (on a bit of paper, on your arm, wherever) beforehand - the fact that GP isn't in that specific situation doesn't negate his point. If you're going to be forward thinking enough to install an app to alert people you got arrested, you should also be able to take 30 seconds to scribble down your important phone numbers.

    4. Re:Look Ma... by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Informative

          You haven't spent a lot of time in jail, have you? :) My experience is based on being the good guy, not the bad guy.

          There are usually numbers for bail bondsmen posted by the phones. That's who you need to talk to, not your mom, significant other, etc. They want their 10%, so they'll call everyone you ask them to.

          You have the right to legal representation. If you cannot afford legal representation, an attorney will be appointed for you. That may have a familiar ring to it. The only thing you should say is "I want a lawyer." It may take a few hours to a day, but one will show up.

          You can make calls once you're booked in. The calls are collect, so hopefully the other side will take the calls. It's a good idea that people know where you were going, so they'll already know to accept the charges.

          Since the charge is only going to be a minor charge, they'll probably book you, and release you ROR. That is, unless you took a swing at a cop or something. You'll be given a court date, and kicked to the curb.

          Regardless if you're being arrested for being annoying, or murder, you're not just dropped into some dark hole that no one will ever hear from you again. You just may not be allowed to leave.

          Jails don't generally have the capacity to take in hundreds of people at once, and keep them. They have logistics issues. They may have cells and bunks available. They may not have enough food coming in. So the trivial BS arrests (like these could be), will be processed and released.

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    5. Re:Look Ma... by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

      thanks for the tip, hope not to utilize it.

    6. Re:Look Ma... by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

      You haven't spent a lot of time in jail, have you? :) My experience is based on being the good guy, not the bad guy.

      There are usually numbers for bail bondsmen posted by the phones. That's who you need to talk to, not your mom, significant other, etc. They want their 10%, so they'll call everyone you ask them to.

      You have the right to legal representation. If you cannot afford legal representation, an attorney will be appointed for you. That may have a familiar ring to it. The only thing you should say is "I want a lawyer." It may take a few hours to a day, but one will show up.

      You can make calls once you're booked in. The calls are collect, so hopefully the other side will take the calls. It's a good idea that people know where you were going, so they'll already know to accept the charges.

      Since the charge is only going to be a minor charge, they'll probably book you, and release you ROR. That is, unless you took a swing at a cop or something. You'll be given a court date, and kicked to the curb.

      Regardless if you're being arrested for being annoying, or murder, you're not just dropped into some dark hole that no one will ever hear from you again. You just may not be allowed to leave.

      Jails don't generally have the capacity to take in hundreds of people at once, and keep them. They have logistics issues. They may have cells and bunks available. They may not have enough food coming in. So the trivial BS arrests (like these could be), will be processed and released.

      thats what I call informative post :) Thanks!

    7. Re:Look Ma... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > You can make calls once you're booked in. The calls are collect, so hopefully the other side will take the calls. It's a good idea that people know where you were going, so they'll already know to accept the charges.

      That is starting to have a familiar ring... "Hey Gramma? I'm in jail in Spain. I need $2000 bail money wired to me. Please, Gramma. I'm in jail! Yes, it is really me! They want me to get off the phone. Here's the wire transfer number. Please hurry!"

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    8. Re:Look Ma... by djlemma · · Score: 1

      Luckily I haven't spent any time in jail, I'm basing my statements on accounts from close friends, who are not "bad guys..."

      That said, I don't think I said anything incorrect- one is indeed restricted to local landlines and will not have the benefit of their phone book on their cell phone. I should have mentioned the part about the numbers for bail bondsmen being posted.

      Also, my friends never had to spend any significant amount of time in jail (I think only a couple hours in the most recent case) and it's not like they were mistreated. Still, there are more pleasant ways to spend an evening than getting arrested...

    9. Re:Look Ma... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Oh, I won't disagree, it's much nicer to not be in handcuffs or in the system, than to be ... well ... pretty much anywhere else. :)

          I only said the "bad guys" to draw the distinction between the guys with keys, that get to go home at the end of their shift, versus those who can only leave when it's approved by a judge. Everyone in jail will tell you they are innocent. Unfortunately, there are a percentage who really are. By the time they're at the jail, it's not up to the COs or LEOs to make that call.

          If I do recall though, there are phone books available. They may not be in with the inmates, but the COs have them, and can look up numbers for them. Our modern age of technology has really crippled people though. I used to have the numbers for all my friends memorized. That was back before cell phones, and even when phones with autodialers came out, I wouldn't program them, since I'd call people from wherever I happened to be. Now, we all keep our numbers in our cell phones. I can't even begin to remember all the various phone numbers I've had over the years. I've had no less than a dozen land lines, another dozen cell numbers, Google Voice, a dozen Vonage numbers in three countries, etc, etc..

         

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  11. I think now there no limit on call other then cost by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    I think now there no limit on call other then the high cost of makeing them.

  12. subjects are a stupid requirement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "While peacefully demonstrating"

    So it doesn't work when you're breaking windows or spraypainting buildings?

    1. Re:subjects are a stupid requirement. by delinear · · Score: 1

      Stupid as it sounds, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn they had something in their terms and conditions to that affect so that they can't be accused of aiding troublemakers.

    2. Re:subjects are a stupid requirement. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Just a general disclaimer.

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    3. Re:subjects are a stupid requirement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or block city streets, or block a bridge, or throw bottles, or throw punches. There are plenty of videos on liveleak and other sources showing these "peaceful protesters" are not peaceful

    4. Re:subjects are a stupid requirement. by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > So it doesn't work when you're breaking windows or spraypainting buildings?

      I've read that this is considered peaceful demonstrating, these days.

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  13. Suggestion. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    This app should have the option to shout, "Don't taze me bro" repeatedly at maximum volume too.

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    1. Re:Suggestion. by Megane · · Score: 1

      It also needs a "MOOOOOM! BRING ME MORE DORITIOS!" option. (Think of Eric Cartman playing WoW.)

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  14. An amazing AI app: by Hartree · · Score: 3, Funny

    How would it know you were protesting rather than doing something else?

    "I'm sorry. I can't send a message. You were holding up a liquor store. That's not peaceful protesting."

    1. Re:An amazing AI app: by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Mod poster insightful.

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    2. Re:An amazing AI app: by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Mod poster insightful.

      Oops! Somebody smiled/laughed; poster no longer qualifies for karma.

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  15. Pro Version by jswinth · · Score: 1

    I bet the soon to come pro version will do a secure wipe of the phone so that the police can't perform a warrantless search on it. Obviously this version will be targeted at mobsters, drug dealers, and the tinfoil hat crowd.

    1. Re:Pro Version by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      The pro version will have a "You've Got Bail!" pop-up, with all the necessary transactions automated.

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  16. go long on guillotines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just hope when this is all said and done I still have enough in my 401k for a sniper rifle, a machete and some rope.

    1. Re:go long on guillotines by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Don't worry. If you don't, so won't a few thousands/million others. And a lot of them will already have rifles, machetes and rope, due to the nature of their profession, and I guess they'll be very willing to let you tag along. The more the merrier, as I always say when going to a lynching party.

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    2. Re:go long on guillotines by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      If you are expecting the possibility of a civil insurrection, it's better to already be prepared, than to try purchasing the necessary supplies at the last minute. Rifles, as most weapons and ammunition, will be in short supply. At very least, those supplies will be in high demand, and the prices will be adjusted accordingly.

      Think of it like trying to buy water, canned foods, survival supplies, and building supplies, the day a hurricane is expected to hit. You may want to buy them, but you'll be hard pressed to find stores that have anything in stock.

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    3. Re:go long on guillotines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At very least, those supplies will be in high demand, and the prices will be adjusted accordingly.

      So that only the ultra-rich 1% that the 99% are rebelling against will be able to afford and thus have access to said weapons to be used in the insurrection against them, and this shortage would be due to the actions of the 99%? Not to mention a not-insignificant amount of people who already have the weapons NOW are hick gun nuts who are ALSO against the 99% (whether they "should" be or not)?

      Wow. Now THAT sort of irony might finally smack the true meaning of the word into the thick skulls of neo-hipsters everywhere. Especially since most of them are probably at these protests.

    4. Re:go long on guillotines by timeOday · · Score: 1
      I hope it never happens, but it would be pretty fascinating to see what would actually be the best strategies for the apocalypse / zombie invasion / nuclear holocaust etc.

      My money is NOT on the guy with a bunker full of baked beans and 30 cases of ammo. He's a loner with a highly valuable stash. My crystal ball says he gets p0wned on day 3 by gang bangers, who understand organization without appeal to law.

    5. Re:go long on guillotines by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      My crystal ball says he gets p0wned on day 3 by gang bangers, who understand organization without appeal to law.
      Nope gang bangers are predators, and they'll be preying on the weaker members of suburbia, only the really stupid bustas are going to hop the fence next to the sign that says trespassers will be shot and survivors will be shot again. That also presumes there are any bangers left after day 3 and the settling of scores.

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    6. Re:go long on guillotines by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think that in an extended period of breakdown of social order, all these people who buy gold and silver will look like fools - ammunition will be currency.

    7. Re:go long on guillotines by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      I think people would flee urban centers due to the resulting chaos, and most people would die from lack of fresh water from public sources and the inability to locate any other sources.

    8. Re:go long on guillotines by timeOday · · Score: 1

      But from my (very limited) understanding of places like present-day Somalia, it's not the guys with good "No Trespassing!!!" signs that are surviving - individuals are weak. It's predators roaming in packs. And it's not because they were good little ants carefully stocking away supplies while the grasshoppers were out having fun, it's because they're good at finding what they need, and taking it.

    9. Re:go long on guillotines by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      And hey, maybe once the gloves are really off, those ex-military "Super Heros" will drop the silliness and go directly after the gang bangers.

      My experience may be mostly from playing games like counter-strike so correct me if I am wrong but.... I would put my money on a squad of 4-6 trained ex-military "heros" against untrained street gang groups several times their size... especially if given the advantage of planning their strike.

      Maybe if these guys want to get past their reputation for being problematic do-gooders they can push MS-13 out of some neighborhoods... that will give them some instant street cred.

      Not that I particularly want to see blood in the streets at that level but.... if civil government does fall the gangs really are the major and immediate threats to public safety. Non-violence is great but... is optional against groups that have demonstrated their willingness to use it on a whim.

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    10. Re:go long on guillotines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope gang bangers are predators, and they'll be preying on the weaker members of suburbia [...]

      So what part of "loner" does NOT sound like "weaker member of suburbia" to a gang with a strong sense of loyalty and organization? And what part of "has guns and food in large supply" sounds like he WOULDN'T be a high-value target to such people?

    11. Re:go long on guillotines by slshwtw · · Score: 1

      My experience may be mostly from playing games like counter-strike

      Its funny to see geeks trying to be preppers.

    12. Re:go long on guillotines by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I am unfamiliar with this term, "prepper". I wasn't aware that I was trying to prep.

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    13. Re:go long on guillotines by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Well, despite whatever propaganda you've been reading might tell you, your estimates are wrong.

          According to a 2009 Gallup poll, 42% of American households own firearms. That is, 30% of those surveyed personally owned firearms. 12% didn't own them, but someone else in the household did.

          Of people I personally know, about half own firearms and possess them in their homes. Of the others, some have personal reasons (members of the household who aren't necessarily stable, or concern that their children may access the weapons). Some do not believe themselves to be proficient, and do not believe they can safely own one.. A very small minority don't believe in owning guns. Those who do not have firearms at home have expressed that if "shit hits the fan", they'll be coming to me for protection.

          I am a proud firearms owner. I'm not a redneck, hick, nor militant-anything. I'm just an IT guy who recognizes that not everything goes right all the time. I prefer to be prepared for as much as I can. I doubt that I'd ever need one to protect myself and my friends in the event of a civil unrest. I do know that I can kill paper men with extreme proficiency, and if I ever need one, I have have one in my hands in a few seconds. I also recognize that in a sudden emergency (like a home invasion), it's more likely that I'll be using hand to hand combat, as I may not have those few seconds to arm myself with anything but ... well, my hands. In a large scale "problem", I have enough to arm friends and family who are proficient, but may not currently possess a firearm.

          Knowing that you may want a weapon in a worst case situation, wouldn't it be an awful lot smarter to purchase one in advance, and train with it, so if the day comes, you will be prepared? A weapon is worthless. Well, worse, it is a liability where it may be used against you, if you are not already proficient with it?

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    14. Re:go long on guillotines by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      It's funny to see people making remarks like that...

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    15. Re:go long on guillotines by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I really like doing scenario planning and basically "war games". What happens if....

          Assuming a catastrophic disaster (not including zombies, ebola outbreak, etc), there are a few major stages, which cause population thinning.

          The first is chaos and panic. They didn't follow the instructions When people panic, they do dumb things. Some will try to reinforce their own supplies from others (i.e., looting, robbing, etc). Some will commit crimes of opportunity for various reasons (mugging, rape, murder). Some will do what we'd normally consider insane (shooting strangers for walking down the road, or knocking on the front door).

          The second is dehydration and starvation. That starts at about a week without fresh water, or two weeks without food. Those who horded supplies will survive longer, unless they are found to be hording by those with superior force (bigger and stronger, better hand to hand combat skills, or superior firepower).

        At this point, survivors will have likely formed into groups, where they share supplies within the group.

          The third is inter-group skirmishes. If your group has food and water (like, camp out in a grocery store), and sufficient force to defend those supplies, a stronger or more desperate force will try to take those supplies.

          The fourth is exhaustion of non-renewable resources. Camped out in your grocery store, you will eventually run out of food, water, cooking fuel, ammunition, or medical supplies. Even a dozen people camped out in a Super-WalMart will eventually run out of something. They will then need to go out and try to find more.

          After the fourth stage, those who have sustainable resources (farms, fresh water supply, facilities to produce all other necessary supplies) will survive, but they will be at risk from others who want or need their supplies. Now we're back to more modern (and timeless) conflicts. Most are familiar with the ongoing wars over control and use of oil supplies. There are always groups who want what others have, and they will do anything they can to take it away.

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    16. Re:go long on guillotines by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Ammunition is a consumable commodity to operate a tool. The currency is, and always will be, items that someone has, that someone else wants. If money currency is no longer respected (why do I want cash, when I can have a dozen cows?), anything useful becomes currency. Then you are back to the barter system.

          Ammunition as a currency is a dangerous thing. If I trade you a box of ammunition for a crate of food, I have no reason to believe that you won't use that ammunition to not only take the food I bought, but everything else I may possess.

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      Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
    17. Re:go long on guillotines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly because niggers are stupid. They would spend all that time stealing gold rims and crack. Apocalypse suburbia is business as usual ghetto.

  17. Re:Canada by Phrogman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Until a few years ago I would have said we were free from being in this state up here in Canada. But then we have the pepperspraying of peaceful protesters in Vancouver, followed many years later by the treatment of the protesters at the G8 summit - which appears to have been used by the Conservative Harper government as a training exercise in how to run a police state in all regards. They attempted to incite people to break the law using police undercover officers in the midst of the protesters, they kettled people with no reason, they beat up on hundreds of peaceful protesters, they announced they were enforcing a law that they KNEW was not on the books and which had never existed - arresting people under it. They held protesters who had been arrested in overcrowded cages,refusing them food, water, medical attention etc, without charges being layed, then released them 12-24 hrs later without explanation. All this against a backdrop of Conservative misappropriation of the vast funds spent on the event (1 billion total or so I think). I am thoroughly ashamed that my fellow citizens somehow saw fit to elect Stephen Harper to be our Prime Minister, then handed him a majority government in the following election. How enough of them could be so misguided as to vote for him is beyond me. I wouldn't buy a used car from that asshole, and I sure as fuck don't trust him as the PM. The only things Harper believes in as far as I can see, are his own manifest destiny and a strong desire to earn the praise of the US Republican party by doing whatever they want him to do.
    Mostly Canada is pretty peaceful and calm, but if we dare object to something the Conservatives are doing, we get treated like we are criminals with no rights, and the Canadian constitution which guarantees those rights is trampled by the Police that run to do his bidding. I used to have immense respect for the various police forces in Canada - my father was a cop in Vancouver, and if I hadn't been accepted by the Canadian Military first, I would have been a cop there as well - but no longer after watching their behaviour in Toronto during the G8/G20 summit. Lies, Deceit, Corruption, these are all cards in the hand the Conservatives are playing - and my fellow countrymen/women appear to be too blind or too stupid to see it.

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    "The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
  18. Modifiers? by Zebraheaded · · Score: 1

    For accuracy, the app should also notify them of what you were actually doing during your "peaceful demonstration" which caused the arrest:

    "John was arrested for...spitting on an officer...while peacefully demonstrating."

    "John was arrested for...trespassing on private property...while peacfully demonstrating."

    "John was arrested for...impeding access of emergency vehicles...while peacfully demonstrating."

  19. see next subject :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The proximity between the two ./ subject is fun...

    "m'a I'm getting arrested is enhanced by 'dual profile'", so you can broadcast your familly without allerting your boss (or the other way round YMMV :-))

    1. Re:see next subject :-) by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I dunno, but "I'm sorry boss, I won't be in to work tomorrow, I'll be in jail" isn't quite what I'd want to text. It might lead to very uncomfortable consequences without a very good explanation, I'd prefer the leisure of interactivity when informing my boss of that.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  20. Hey Dad! by Torodung · · Score: 1

    Also makes "Hey Dad, I'm in Jail!" by Was (not Was) your ring tone. I like it here!

    1. Re:Hey Dad! by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more The Clash

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      "Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
  21. Re:I think now there no limit on call other then c by jittles · · Score: 1

    That is where you are incorrect. They definitely do not limit the cost of those calls. The rates are outrageous. Someone from a county jail kept trying to call my cell phone collect for about a month. I eventually had to call the county and ask them to block my number. Now you better not try and call me with your free call!

  22. Speaking from experience... by joelville · · Score: 2

    I hope it also reminds you to Sharpie your contact's telephone number to your arm before you go out. When I was arrested at a peaceful protest they confiscated my cellphone, the only number I had memorized was an ex-girlfriend's parents... from 7 years ago and two states away. http://www.joellueders.com/arrested.html [slashvertising]

    1. Re:Speaking from experience... by alexo · · Score: 1

      I hope it also reminds you to Sharpie your contact's telephone number to your arm before you go out.

      Unless you're in Canada where, apparently, having a lawyer's number on your arm is "conspiracy to commit mischief"

  23. Limited usefulness at demonstrations. by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    Although this will be great for motorists being bagged by overly zealous traffic cops, I don't think it will be much use at demonstrations. Government agencies have already demonstrated their willingness and ability to shut down cellular infrastructure or use jammers in order to disrupt protesters' ability to communicate, and this trend will only escalate in the coming years.

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    'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
  24. The classic version: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    "Busted, down on Bourbon Street, Set up, like a bowling pin. Knocked down, it get's to wearin' thin"

  25. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The G20 summit issues were due to liberal Dalton McGuinty passing laws basically declaring a section of Toronto as a no free speech zone. You know, the same one who was re-elected by Harper Haters. There really wasn't anything fascist going on at the G8 summit other than a ridiculous waste of money. It's the G20 summit that caused the issues, 100% caused by a law that basically declared a large portion of downtown Toronto the equivalent of a nuclear power plant that's the issue. The federal government doesn't even have the power to do that. Just the province. Run by McGuinty's liberals. Remember that. You know, the same liberals that keep in power a Prime Minister that personally punches protesters in the face to the point of knocking teeth out and gets away with it. Those liberals. The jackbooted ones that punch people in the face personally.

    I'm ashamed that Harper haters saw fit to keep electing McGuinty, and before that, Chretien. Positively ashamed.

  26. Lots of the posts below remind me... by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    ... of a phrase from (oh boy) a TV show. [Paraphrased, of course]- "There are 3 sides to every situation. Side 1, side 2, and the truth." The good thing is that with increasing video coverage, we can see what happened rather than just each sides views of what happened. Of course, there is the downside of always being watched for no reason

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    Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
    1. Re:Lots of the posts below remind me... by lolcutusofbong · · Score: 2

      Did you notice how the sides break down nicely along Vorlon/Shadow lines? "The media asks, "What do you want?" The protestors prefer to answer the question, "Who are you?"

    2. Re:Lots of the posts below remind me... by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Very nice! Though you bring up a disturbing parallel.
      Nice name, by the way.

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      Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
  27. Mod Up by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

    You sir, hit it on the head. A lot of the so-called Super Rich don't actually have a whole lot of cash on hand. They live on credit, investments, and dividends, plus money market accounts.

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    Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
  28. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Douchebag. Get a job.

  29. Re:Canada by alexo · · Score: 1

    Which just goes to show that neither the Libs nor the PCs give a flying fuck about personal rights, due process, etc.

  30. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Among people with too much money, there does seem to be a belief that "if it improves things for BUSINESS, it will improve things for the common man". And the radical right like Harper tend to make that belief into their own fundamentalist religion.

    That said, you can't look at each protest in insolationf. Here in Canada, there has been a history of protests that start off peaceful (though angry of course), then goons (typically with masks) emerge from the ranks of the protesters to start smashing store windows, looting stores, and lighting cars on fire. Then everybody complains the police and the politicians weren't doing their job. In response, the police and politicians take preemptive measures to break up large noisy groups of protesters before they can turn into destructive (and embarrassing) mobs.

    That said, protesting in big noisy masses has had it's day. Politician's today tend to ignore it. It's time for activists to start innovating, to find new and better ways of putting pressure on those in power.

  31. obvious upgrade by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    "Look ma, I'm crapping on a cop car. Ow ow ow, don't taze me bro!"

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    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  32. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speak for yourself, you arrogant fuck. I voted NDP specifically _because_ of the Harpernazi's handling of the G8 summit (or mishandling, if you prefer).

    You aren't the only intelligent person in the country, you've just got your head so far up your ass that the only sound you can hear is the sound of your own voice...and in that sense, you're not much different from Harper himself.

  33. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So stop voting for them then. Pretty simple solution, there is actually a third major party called the NDP, and if you don't like that there's independent candidates as well.

    Complain all you want about personal rights and due process, if you continue to elect people who don't "give a flying fuck" then nothing is ever going to change. You might want to blame all of your problems on the government just like the Anon fucktards in New York are blaming Wall Street for being welfare bums that play games and smoke pot, but at the end of the day you hold some responsibility for your own situation as well. Maybe if you spent less time whining on Slashdot and more time, you know, actually DOING something, you wouldn't have these complaints?

  34. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a fellow Canadian, I must say you have taken a number of events, taken the worst of each, and tied them to your dislike of the current political party in power, and make it sound as if all evil in the world spontaneously appeared because they were elected. I would suggest that it would not have mattered which party was in power, the events would have played out much the same. And if you want to talk about Lies, Deceit, Corruption, and mis-appropriation of funds, have you forgotten the years when the previous party was in power?

    Speaking on behalf of your fellow country-men who are too blind or stupid to not agree with your view point, we are sorry you feel that way. Feel free to convince us to follow your viewpoint next election season.

    Regards

  35. Write your numbers in permanent ink on your arm .. by bd580slashdot · · Score: 1

    Write your numbers in permanent ink on your arm before you go to protest. Be ready. Read up on activism. Tell someone when you expect to return. Go in groups and all that ...

  36. Read the app score by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    "50,422,007 people like this app."

    /snark

  37. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think our right to not be subject to unreasonable search and seasure is in the bill of rights. could be wrong tho, its been a few years since gr10 social studies :p

  38. iPhone App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siri, I'm being Arrested!

    "Should've bought an android then!"

  39. Re:Canada by alexo · · Score: 1

    So stop voting for them then. Pretty simple solution, there is actually a third major party called the NDP, and if you don't like that there's independent candidates as well.

    Haven't been voting for them for quite a while.

    However, an individual vote is statistically insignificant, so I am trying to raise awareness in my fellow citizens and encourage them to take appropriate action as well. Thus my post above.

  40. Siri: Set a reminder by Acheron · · Score: 1

    Send a text to my mom when I get to the police station.