FatELF binaries don't avoid this issue any better than any other solution, seriously. You still have to build/bundle custom, vetted runtimes that reside in a similar bundle on the install- and for each architecture you support. Done right, you end up with a set of binaries that runs on any modern distribution without major glitches. Unfortunately, you have to do the same effort for FatELF binaries as you would for the other way- and with no better assurances of "getting it right" with it as with the other means.
There's at least THREE that matter right at the moment- and one of them you missed. ARM's another that matters quite a bit. Just because PPC is by the wayside, doesn't mean ARM's going away any time soon now, and there's parts to it that make it more akin to two to three different sub-architectures that unless you're coding to least common denominator, you're going to have issues with.
Heh... I have a vague recollection of being plopped down in front of the TV to watch as Armstrong made his "one small step", with the reason being that it was history being made (not to mention that my Father helped make part of the subsystems they used to launch the rocket...).
The state of technology was one of color television sets being just within the reach of many families, remote controls using tuning forks or ultrasonic whistles were available for the top end TV's of the era, and things of that nature- and tubes were the main tech for things like computers and TV's during that era with Transistors slowly coming into their own.
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth." Abraham Lincoln.
Sadly that has long since perished and is now a rotted corpse.
Only because people aren't fighting for their rights- mainly because they foolishly think that the Government is obligated to honor their rights automatically.
Most of the Bill of Rights are activated when YOU, the citizen, DEMAND them. The Government officials will sometimes try, half-heartedly, to respect Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth Amendment rights. However, you'll note that in most cases, you will have to demand them in the form of a motion to suppres/dismiss based on them in Court and you'll have to "plead the fifth" in the case of testimony. They won't do it for you.
People have to work for their freedom. Sadly they're more interested in bread and circuses these days...
But they're not doing it because of "piracy" as if they were after that, it's easy enough to bust the people doing it because they're not cautious in most cases.
They're after absolute control and trying for the ability to charge rent on our culture.
I think every country should adopt a new clause in their constitution; the "Stupid Ideas Tried Before Clause" that would have anyone who passes a law to try a scheme proven one or more times to be unenforceable to be removed from office permanently.
But then there wouldn't be anyone left in office at that point...
(Oh, did I say that with my outside voice??)
Seriously, most people don't learn from the past and are doomed to repeat it over and over again.
Okay...the aforementioned vendors I would trust to be able to do an "okay" job making SD or CF cards. Those are somewhat simpler with less need for precise timings, etc.
For RAM, for example, I'd consider Patriot dead last- it's the brand of last resort. The only Patriot memory that hasn't caused me problems is the "gamer" edition stuff I ended up getting stuck with a while back that got put into my GF's computer. It works and works well, much to my surprise.
The others...heh...I'd buy them for a hobby project at best. They're all strictly bottom tier for things like SSD's right at the moment.
Based upon your choices, it looks like you're trying to sell up the "cost" factor as well as the reliability. Do yourself an immense favor and get yourself a solid deal on an Intel, OCZ, or Samsung SSD instead of this stuff you're messing with right now. Seriously. There is, to the best of my and my employer's knowledge, no serious reliability issues with those brands in our evaluation of drives. They're just too costly, especially with SLC drives that we can get our modules NEBS certified with, for us to field in our product lineup right at the moment. The speed and reliability are amazing and the prices have just about hit where we can justify the expense and start slowly in-field replacing the drives and ship them in new systems as they go out the door.
Heh...they understated it, actually. It's a bit worse than you'd think. And it's been that way for, oh, 6 or more years now- and some of them even know that this is the case.
The police would be overwhelmed as there's most definitely a disparity of people to police officers. Training not withstanding, if you're outnumbered 1000:1 (and they would be...) there's a threshold that if the crowd in question goes over, the cops will be injured or killed as the crowd takes them at some point.
You put too much faith in law enforcement. It only works well when the bulk of the populace are law abiding. When the population largely is not law abiding and obviously outnumbers the enforcement for the law- then stronger measures are needed; but don't work much better. Just look at Iraq or Afghanistan.
In what way is putting decent security measures, including intrusion detection, into your SCADA network going to be throwing away your freedoms?
It's not.
Instead of decrying the hype and putting up counter rhetoric, why don't we start asking the troubling questions of people and insisting upon getting better answers that will actually mitigate the problem? Doing the rhetoric is as bad as the hype and will just leave us open for another incident like 9/11.
I contend that we're not even at the "locking your doors" stage on a good portion of things out there. I don't think they've figured out the "lock" part of the whole equation there in at least a few of the cases.
A terroristic act is a criminal act done with the intent to sow terror amongst the populace. Each of these things could be part of a bigger play- and the company was a hypothetical instead of what might be done, say with the government at large doing the same sorts of things. It could just as easily be done with the SCADA systems like some keep telling people (myself included...). It's not chicken little going the sky is falling. It's not the little boy who cried wolf.
Sure, the media's hyping it up right now. Doesn't make it any less of a troubling concern that we should address instead of sticking our heads in the sand over it. Sure, the media's got it wrong on a lot of things. Doesn't make the real threats any less real- just un-exploited at this time.
Oh, Cyberterrorism is a bit more than what you say- it's just the media hyping up that stuff and I wish they'd quit, but it's not the type of news people want to hear for the real stuff (and it doesn't make ratings...)
Not that you can't get similar results with select SCADA networks and the regular rad hax0ring skillz...they're not at all secure, even after they applied "security" to them... Seriously. If you compromize the right part of the network, you can do the same things we purportedly did to Russia here with the natural gas pipelines. Ditto a similar stunt with the electric power grid. They SAY they've secured things. Perhaps they have in some utilities. They might have secured the SCADA head-end- and then again, they may have leakage from their "standalone" network. It gets found all the time. And we won't get into what might or might not be done to the remote end, which typically has LESS security than the head end might have.
And I'd go so far as to say most of them have not been properly secured. Just putting up TLS security to secure the links isn't good enough. Just piling DNP3 authentication or comparable for other SCADA protocols on top of things isn't good enough.
I've been asking the embarrassing questions for a while now. Which reminds me...need to pester the NIST guys again over something...:-D
Heh... Rolling brownouts/blackouts over the entire country or a blackout that makes the 2003 East Coast one look like a picnic are very possible and doable right now with the infrastructure the way it is. Do you think that it will be annoying the populace or freaking them out at that point?
You hit it on the head of the nail in your last line there- the magic word here is "YET". The last three ones are deeply troubling if you think about it and the power grid one's much, much more possible than most would think and they're just going to make it more doable with the current Smart Grid stuff they're planning on doing.
Heh... They kind of dropped all but the x86 versions because the backwards compatibility features of Windows kind of got in the way of selling the other architectures. There was this big push for Alpha as it WAS vastly better than x86- back when NT 3.1 was "king". It didn't go well then because you had to run pretty much most of the applications in emulation, negating most of the advantage the CPU had over X86 machines as it would run that stuff slightly slower than the comparable x86 machines of it's day.
Don't fool yourselves. The old applications that make Windows compelling is like a huge lead weight placed on Microsoft and it'll sink them if something else gains ascendancy.
Unfortunately...the people they don't want as customers are the norm these days, not the exception...
If you didn't track what the parent post was on about (which it's apparent you didn't...) the days of having people fork money out for entertainment as if money was like water are pretty much gone for many years to come. Yes they're not the customers they want- but unfortunately the ones they DO want are a vanishing breed. Moreover many of those that have the cash are holding on to what they have as well- because they know it's going to get more unpleasant before it gets better.
In the end, he's slicing his nose off to spite his face. Which, knowing how Murdoch has operated on things means no surprise there. He's trying to rake in ever higher profits out of everything instead of being sensible in a downturn and finding out what's sustainable and potentially future profit making. So, he'd rather kill the goose before it gets to laying gold eggs- and if done right it would.
The biggest problem with that thinking is that you can make a DVR for this stuff out of any home PC with enough muscle- you don't need to pay for that functionality. Seriously. And the moment that you don't have that ability, then you will again start losing customers. What is OTA appears to be paying for itself well- and perhaps they can make the argument that it costs much more to do the true on-demand stuff over the Internet because of bandwidth concerns. However, it doesn't make the feel from the customer base any less valid- people will conflate the two (and rightly so...it's little different from the DVR coupled with OTA...) and not pay up. If their current revenue model is not sustainable, perhaps they should question what they're doing wrong first rather than "making it pay" as it's close enough to the old way of doing things that if they're structuring the ad revenues, etc. right they should be able to do adequately well at it without these other things.
When you use the analogy you used, you stepped off into the "it's stealing" territory. The moment you used "I cant first order the food and drinks and only after that decide if it was good enough to be paid." you conflated the act of infringement with theft- making an unauthorized copy isn't really the same thing as what you compare it to.
In what you gave as an analogy, the hypothetical person STOLE food from the restaurant- the restaurant is out the food and drink the person took by not paying. In the case of infringement, someone merely takes a copy thereof- and nobody's out anything save maybe a cash transaction that might or might not have happened. They're not out their original copy, so it's not theft. There is a reason why the laws are written the way they are and define the actions differently. If you're going to be discussing the subject without people calling you out on things, you should perhaps choose your analogies with some better precision.
Better specs and higher prices- by 100-300 dollars more expensive, actually when they first came out with them. And they ran like the Linux netbooks with the lesser specs...go figure.
Couple this with a decided LACK of the availability of the cheaper Linux based machines with varying excuses for the same and it happened...
"never saw it coming..." riiight. Keep telling that to yourself. You might even believe it at some point.
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FatELF binaries don't avoid this issue any better than any other solution, seriously. You still have to build/bundle custom, vetted runtimes that reside in a similar bundle on the install- and for each architecture you support. Done right, you end up with a set of binaries that runs on any modern distribution without major glitches. Unfortunately, you have to do the same effort for FatELF binaries as you would for the other way- and with no better assurances of "getting it right" with it as with the other means.
Heh... You've got it wrong there...
There's at least THREE that matter right at the moment- and one of them you missed. ARM's another that matters quite a bit. Just because PPC is by the wayside, doesn't mean ARM's going away any time soon now, and there's parts to it that make it more akin to two to three different sub-architectures that unless you're coding to least common denominator, you're going to have issues with.
Heh... I have a vague recollection of being plopped down in front of the TV to watch as Armstrong made his "one small step", with the reason being that it was history being made (not to mention that my Father helped make part of the subsystems they used to launch the rocket...).
The state of technology was one of color television sets being just within the reach of many families, remote controls using tuning forks or ultrasonic whistles were available for the top end TV's of the era, and things of that nature- and tubes were the main tech for things like computers and TV's during that era with Transistors slowly coming into their own.
Only because people aren't fighting for their rights- mainly because they foolishly think that the Government is obligated to honor their rights automatically.
Most of the Bill of Rights are activated when YOU, the citizen, DEMAND them. The Government officials will sometimes try, half-heartedly, to respect Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth Amendment rights. However, you'll note that in most cases, you will have to demand them in the form of a motion to suppres/dismiss based on them in Court and you'll have to "plead the fifth" in the case of testimony. They won't do it for you.
People have to work for their freedom. Sadly they're more interested in bread and circuses these days...
There IS a reason I got off that hamster wheel almost a decade ago... ;-)
But they're not doing it because of "piracy" as if they were after that, it's easy enough to bust the people doing it because they're not cautious in most cases.
They're after absolute control and trying for the ability to charge rent on our culture.
But then there wouldn't be anyone left in office at that point...
(Oh, did I say that with my outside voice??)
Seriously, most people don't learn from the past and are doomed to repeat it over and over again.
It's not so much that they're using a JMicron controller and more due to the vendors that use the controller tending to cut corners elsewhere as well.
All three of his vendor choices cut corners wherever they can to maximize their profits.
Okay...the aforementioned vendors I would trust to be able to do an "okay" job making SD or CF cards. Those are somewhat simpler with less need for precise timings, etc.
For RAM, for example, I'd consider Patriot dead last- it's the brand of last resort. The only Patriot memory that hasn't caused me problems is the "gamer" edition stuff I ended up getting stuck with a while back that got put into my GF's computer. It works and works well, much to my surprise.
The others...heh...I'd buy them for a hobby project at best. They're all strictly bottom tier for things like SSD's right at the moment.
Based upon your choices, it looks like you're trying to sell up the "cost" factor as well as the reliability. Do yourself an immense favor and get yourself a solid deal on an Intel, OCZ, or Samsung SSD instead of this stuff you're messing with right now. Seriously. There is, to the best of my and my employer's knowledge, no serious reliability issues with those brands in our evaluation of drives. They're just too costly, especially with SLC drives that we can get our modules NEBS certified with, for us to field in our product lineup right at the moment. The speed and reliability are amazing and the prices have just about hit where we can justify the expense and start slowly in-field replacing the drives and ship them in new systems as they go out the door.
Because we tend to worship corny things as well?
Just the west coast?
Heh...they understated it, actually. It's a bit worse than you'd think. And it's been that way for, oh, 6 or more years now- and some of them even know that this is the case.
And me for want of mod points...
The police would be overwhelmed as there's most definitely a disparity of people to police officers. Training not withstanding, if you're outnumbered 1000:1 (and they would be...) there's a threshold that if the crowd in question goes over, the cops will be injured or killed as the crowd takes them at some point.
You put too much faith in law enforcement. It only works well when the bulk of the populace are law abiding. When the population largely is not law abiding and obviously outnumbers the enforcement for the law- then stronger measures are needed; but don't work much better. Just look at Iraq or Afghanistan.
Okay...
In what way is putting decent security measures, including intrusion detection, into your SCADA network going to be throwing away your freedoms?
It's not.
Instead of decrying the hype and putting up counter rhetoric, why don't we start asking the troubling questions of people and insisting upon getting better answers that will actually mitigate the problem? Doing the rhetoric is as bad as the hype and will just leave us open for another incident like 9/11.
I contend that we're not even at the "locking your doors" stage on a good portion of things out there. I don't think they've figured out the "lock" part of the whole equation there in at least a few of the cases.
And terrorist action isn't at all criminal?
A terroristic act is a criminal act done with the intent to sow terror amongst the populace. Each of these things could be part of a bigger play- and the company was a hypothetical instead of what might be done, say with the government at large doing the same sorts of things. It could just as easily be done with the SCADA systems like some keep telling people (myself included...). It's not chicken little going the sky is falling. It's not the little boy who cried wolf.
Sure, the media's hyping it up right now. Doesn't make it any less of a troubling concern that we should address instead of sticking our heads in the sand over it. Sure, the media's got it wrong on a lot of things. Doesn't make the real threats any less real- just un-exploited at this time.
Oh, Cyberterrorism is a bit more than what you say- it's just the media hyping up that stuff and I wish they'd quit, but it's not the type of news people want to hear for the real stuff (and it doesn't make ratings...)
Not that you can't get similar results with select SCADA networks and the regular rad hax0ring skillz...they're not at all secure, even after they applied "security" to them... Seriously. If you compromize the right part of the network, you can do the same things we purportedly did to Russia here with the natural gas pipelines. Ditto a similar stunt with the electric power grid. They SAY they've secured things. Perhaps they have in some utilities. They might have secured the SCADA head-end- and then again, they may have leakage from their "standalone" network. It gets found all the time. And we won't get into what might or might not be done to the remote end, which typically has LESS security than the head end might have.
THANK YOU!
And I'd go so far as to say most of them have not been properly secured. Just putting up TLS security to secure the links isn't good enough. Just piling DNP3 authentication or comparable for other SCADA protocols on top of things isn't good enough.
I've been asking the embarrassing questions for a while now. Which reminds me...need to pester the NIST guys again over something... :-D
Heh... Rolling brownouts/blackouts over the entire country or a blackout that makes the 2003 East Coast one look like a picnic are very possible and doable right now with the infrastructure the way it is. Do you think that it will be annoying the populace or freaking them out at that point?
You hit it on the head of the nail in your last line there- the magic word here is " YET ". The last three ones are deeply troubling if you think about it and the power grid one's much, much more possible than most would think and they're just going to make it more doable with the current Smart Grid stuff they're planning on doing.
Heh... They kind of dropped all but the x86 versions because the backwards compatibility features of Windows kind of got in the way of selling the other architectures. There was this big push for Alpha as it WAS vastly better than x86- back when NT 3.1 was "king". It didn't go well then because you had to run pretty much most of the applications in emulation, negating most of the advantage the CPU had over X86 machines as it would run that stuff slightly slower than the comparable x86 machines of it's day.
Don't fool yourselves. The old applications that make Windows compelling is like a huge lead weight placed on Microsoft and it'll sink them if something else gains ascendancy.
Unfortunately...the people they don't want as customers are the norm these days, not the exception...
If you didn't track what the parent post was on about (which it's apparent you didn't...) the days of having people fork money out for entertainment as if money was like water are pretty much gone for many years to come. Yes they're not the customers they want- but unfortunately the ones they DO want are a vanishing breed. Moreover many of those that have the cash are holding on to what they have as well- because they know it's going to get more unpleasant before it gets better.
In the end, he's slicing his nose off to spite his face. Which, knowing how Murdoch has operated on things means no surprise there. He's trying to rake in ever higher profits out of everything instead of being sensible in a downturn and finding out what's sustainable and potentially future profit making. So, he'd rather kill the goose before it gets to laying gold eggs- and if done right it would.
The biggest problem with that thinking is that you can make a DVR for this stuff out of any home PC with enough muscle- you don't need to pay for that functionality. Seriously. And the moment that you don't have that ability, then you will again start losing customers. What is OTA appears to be paying for itself well- and perhaps they can make the argument that it costs much more to do the true on-demand stuff over the Internet because of bandwidth concerns. However, it doesn't make the feel from the customer base any less valid- people will conflate the two (and rightly so...it's little different from the DVR coupled with OTA...) and not pay up. If their current revenue model is not sustainable, perhaps they should question what they're doing wrong first rather than "making it pay" as it's close enough to the old way of doing things that if they're structuring the ad revenues, etc. right they should be able to do adequately well at it without these other things.
When you use the analogy you used, you stepped off into the "it's stealing" territory. The moment you used "I cant first order the food and drinks and only after that decide if it was good enough to be paid." you conflated the act of infringement with theft- making an unauthorized copy isn't really the same thing as what you compare it to.
In what you gave as an analogy, the hypothetical person STOLE food from the restaurant- the restaurant is out the food and drink the person took by not paying. In the case of infringement, someone merely takes a copy thereof- and nobody's out anything save maybe a cash transaction that might or might not have happened. They're not out their original copy, so it's not theft. There is a reason why the laws are written the way they are and define the actions differently. If you're going to be discussing the subject without people calling you out on things, you should perhaps choose your analogies with some better precision.
Better specs and higher prices- by 100-300 dollars more expensive, actually when they first came out with them. And they ran like the Linux netbooks with the lesser specs...go figure.
Couple this with a decided LACK of the availability of the cheaper Linux based machines with varying excuses for the same and it happened...
"never saw it coming..." riiight. Keep telling that to yourself. You might even believe it at some point.