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I admin a few of the boxes at the university where I go to school ¥SIUE© We use suns with Cadence© Now we get a HUGE break on the price of the cadence software© Generaly from what I've seen, the yearly contract costs of the software dwarf the cost of the boxes that it runs on, even semi-expensive SUN workstations ¥eg SunBlade 1000s© What is the big advantage of jumping ship from say a bunch of Sun workstations to some Intel boxes if it only results in a marginal reduction in cost© If I'm forking out 50k a year for software, what's the big advantage if I run it on $2k intel boxes verses $5k Suns, espically considering some of the advantages of the SUN boxes ¥64bit, tight integration of OS/Hardware, etc©©©?
This happened to me in my assembly class© We were programing in MIPS assembly© Three of us had been working in a group© We all wrote our own code, but we would ask one another about problems, or possible solutions© Without ever looking at each others code, it turned out very similar, except we used diffrent registers© The prof flaged us for cheeting, took away a few points, and passed the matter over© Intrestingly enough, a fourth person in the class was also flaged for cheeting with us, and we never even talked to him© Shows you there are only so many ways to write 15 lines of code©
oh, almost forgot©©©© there's an old saying© There's no replacement for displacement© While your six banger may be able to hit 600 HP, it dosn't have shit for torque© When was the last time you heard of a rice rocket torking it frame out of shape with the sheer power of it's engine© It's actually semi-common to do that with an american V8© Oh bth© if you have a six banger putting out 400 HP, and my mouse is hitting 450, for around town driving, I have a hell of a lot more torque where I actualy drive© You however have to rev up past 4500 RPM to see any power, while I can lazely stick around 2500-3000 RPM©
Yes, if you go to the extreme, then a six banger can probably hit 600HP© But if you put the same effort into a rat moter, you'll hit 1200 HP easy© Just take a 502, throw in a nice cam, a supercharger, a pair of holley double pumpers, and a little nitrous, and you've easly passed the 1000 HP mark©
Man, if you want a fast car, there's no beeting american Musle© There's nothing like the sound of a 400 mouser or a 454 rat under the hood of a comero or chevelle© And there's nothing faster either© It's a matter of waight ratios© If you can somehow tune your six banger with a turbo to say 250HP and you are say a ton and a quarter© And I have a 454 putting out 550HP ¥naturaly asperated I might add, and weight in at a heafty two tons© I still have more power per pound then you, and hence I'm faster© Rice rockets suck, and anyone who beggs to differ, can watch as I pass them©
If anyone's actualy seen the inside of a HP B2000 box, you'll notice that the hard drives actually do plug right into the main board© For all-in-one systems, this dosn't seam like a bad idea©©© Actualy, does anyone remember when hard drives use to be mounted on expansion boards©©© That would get rid of the cables real easily© Trash the floppy¥no one uses it anymore anyway, and have a External firewire/USB2 CDROM/DVD/Burner/whatever in the base of the moniter, along with a firewire/USB2 Hub, etc©©©©©
Hymm, Personaly, I don't see what the big deal is© Its almost the same admining a Solaris box as it is a HPUX or IRIX box, or for that matter a *BSD, or Linux box© Getting the OS figured out is simple© It's usualy the apps that give you the problems, and Sendmail on a Linux box looks EXACTLY like Sendmail on Solaris© Same goes for BIND, Apache, NIS¥for the most part, whatever© Now there are definate reasons to have comercial UNIX© For one thing, try finding a broad suite of EDA tools on a free *NIX© Or try getting any hardware that runs Linux to run OpenGL apps as fast as an O2K from SGI© There's a place for everything, even NT© It just happens that the true place for NT is not, or should not be in the server room©©©
Um, you obviously have never used an HP workstation© They are anything but slow© A single PA-RISC 440 keeps right up with my Athlon 1©4 on fpu tasks, ans isn't far behind on integer stuff© the memory bandwidth blows away any intel solution© In addition the Dual 550 Mhz J5600 that I use sometimes will probably blow anything that intel makes away© Granted, one of the reasons that we use HP's is because EDA software that we run ¥mentor and cadence runs on either Sun or HP hardware, and HP's far and away blow anything sun has to offer out of the water© Granted, for there price/performance ration, they don't look all that good© But sometimes you need to say F**K cost, I need performance© and btw, Suns are generaly slow as s**t on anything usefull©©©
What about Slackware 8©0, or any slackware for that matter© As a slackware user, I'm getting very tired of people hiding the source tarballs in some obscure ftp directory, and putting rpm's and deb packages right up front, or worse yet, net even making the source tarballs available© I know, I know, I could use CVS to get the source, but I like the idea of using some version that has been "blessed" by someone as stable, or semi-stable© Half the time the CVS sources don't even compile© I'm not asking for slackware ©tgz packages, just a little curtacy© as far as I'm concerned that is the biggest bug of them all©©©
WHAT©©© You apperantly have many mis-conseptions© I'm not going to comment about the administration because to a small extent, you may be right©©© but as far as the profesors go, I think that for the most part, you are dead wrong© I know for a fact that many of the professors at universities could make MUCH more mony outside the university then teaching© I know of one professor that was offered a job with a starting salary in excess of 100K in the mid-west© Instead he took a job with the university where I know he dosn't make that much© Many of them do it for the love of teaching, or knoledge ¥as some are more geared at research© But doing it for the money, or eleate social status, I highly doubt© The old addage of those that can't do teach is way off, it's the opposite of the truth© Many times those that can do the best teach©©©
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I admin a few of the boxes at the university where I go to school ¥SIUE© We use suns with Cadence© Now we get a HUGE break on the price of the cadence software© Generaly from what I've seen, the yearly contract costs of the software dwarf the cost of the boxes that it runs on, even semi-expensive SUN workstations ¥eg SunBlade 1000s© What is the big advantage of jumping ship from say a bunch of Sun workstations to some Intel boxes if it only results in a marginal reduction in cost© If I'm forking out 50k a year for software, what's the big advantage if I run it on $2k intel boxes verses $5k Suns, espically considering some of the advantages of the SUN boxes ¥64bit, tight integration of OS/Hardware, etc©©©?
This happened to me in my assembly class© We were programing in MIPS assembly© Three of us had been working in a group© We all wrote our own code, but we would ask one another about problems, or possible solutions© Without ever looking at each others code, it turned out very similar, except we used diffrent registers© The prof flaged us for cheeting, took away a few points, and passed the matter over© Intrestingly enough, a fourth person in the class was also flaged for cheeting with us, and we never even talked to him© Shows you there are only so many ways to write 15 lines of code©
oh, almost forgot©©©© there's an old saying©
There's no replacement for displacement©
While your six banger may be able to hit 600 HP, it dosn't have shit for torque© When was the last time you heard of a rice rocket torking it frame out of shape with the sheer power of it's engine© It's actually semi-common to do that with an american V8© Oh bth© if you have a six banger putting out 400 HP, and my mouse is hitting 450, for around town driving, I have a hell of a lot more torque where I actualy drive© You however have to rev up past 4500 RPM to see any power, while I can lazely stick around 2500-3000 RPM©
Yes, if you go to the extreme, then a six banger can probably hit 600HP© But if you put the same effort into a rat moter, you'll hit 1200 HP easy© Just take a 502, throw in a nice cam, a supercharger, a pair of holley double pumpers, and a little nitrous, and you've easly passed the 1000 HP mark©
Man, if you want a fast car, there's no beeting american Musle© There's nothing like the sound of a 400 mouser or a 454 rat under the hood of a comero or chevelle© And there's nothing faster either© It's a matter of waight ratios© If you can somehow tune your six banger with a turbo to say 250HP and you are say a ton and a quarter© And I have a 454 putting out 550HP ¥naturaly asperated I might add, and weight in at a heafty two tons© I still have more power per pound then you, and hence I'm faster© Rice rockets suck, and anyone who beggs to differ, can watch as I pass them©
If anyone's actualy seen the inside of a HP B2000 box, you'll notice that the hard drives actually do plug right into the main board© For all-in-one systems, this dosn't seam like a bad idea©©© Actualy, does anyone remember when hard drives use to be mounted on expansion boards©©© That would get rid of the cables real easily© Trash the floppy¥no one uses it anymore anyway, and have a External firewire/USB2 CDROM/DVD/Burner/whatever in the base of the moniter, along with a firewire/USB2 Hub, etc©©©©©
Hymm, Personaly, I don't see what the big deal is© Its almost the same admining a Solaris box as it is a HPUX or IRIX box, or for that matter a *BSD, or Linux box© Getting the OS figured out is simple© It's usualy the apps that give you the problems, and Sendmail on a Linux box looks EXACTLY like Sendmail on Solaris© Same goes for BIND, Apache, NIS¥for the most part, whatever© Now there are definate reasons to have comercial UNIX© For one thing, try finding a broad suite of EDA tools on a free *NIX© Or try getting any hardware that runs Linux to run OpenGL apps as fast as an O2K from SGI© There's a place for everything, even NT© It just happens that the true place for NT is not, or should not be in the server room©©©
Um, you obviously have never used an HP workstation© They are anything but slow© A single PA-RISC 440 keeps right up with my Athlon 1©4 on fpu tasks, ans isn't far behind on integer stuff© the memory bandwidth blows away any intel solution© In addition the Dual 550 Mhz J5600 that I use sometimes will probably blow anything that intel makes away© Granted, one of the reasons that we use HP's is because EDA software that we run ¥mentor and cadence runs on either Sun or HP hardware, and HP's far and away blow anything sun has to offer out of the water© Granted, for there price/performance ration, they don't look all that good© But sometimes you need to say F**K cost, I need performance© and btw, Suns are generaly slow as s**t on anything usefull©©©
What about Slackware 8©0, or any slackware for that matter© As a slackware user, I'm getting very tired of people hiding the source tarballs in some obscure ftp directory, and putting rpm's and deb packages right up front, or worse yet, net even making the source tarballs available© I know, I know, I could use CVS to get the source, but I like the idea of using some version that has been "blessed" by someone as stable, or semi-stable© Half the time the CVS sources don't even compile© I'm not asking for slackware ©tgz packages, just a little curtacy©
as far as I'm concerned that is the biggest bug of them all©©©
WHAT©©© You apperantly have many mis-conseptions© I'm not going to comment about the administration because to a small extent, you may be right©©© but as far as the profesors go, I think that for the most part, you are dead wrong©
I know for a fact that many of the professors at universities could make MUCH more mony outside the university then teaching© I know of one professor that was offered a job with a starting salary in excess of 100K in the mid-west© Instead he took a job with the university where I know he dosn't make that much© Many of them do it for the love of teaching, or knoledge ¥as some are more geared at research© But doing it for the money, or eleate social status, I highly doubt©
The old addage of those that can't do teach is way off, it's the opposite of the truth© Many times those that can do the best teach©©©