Read the rules and you shall win. I did everything that Google ask of me, and I got exactly what I needed. Now over the next few years I know I'll get some ranking that is proper, but for what I already needed goggle did it. My place already has a ranking that works for it's name.
RAMEN brother. I worked very hard for my little site, it does not have any real ranking. but when someone wants to find my site and does not know the full name, it will rank number 1 - 5 on Google.
My little apartment building competes in the miami beach market so there is no chance in hell I can rank #20 or greater under a hotel type search.
I depend on buying AdWords to guild people to my place and depend on word of mouth. it the site ever breaks 20, I will be hosting a huge party and eat till I drop.
Nicely put! also, never stop the marketing and the linking programs. Google hell is an important part of the Google cleaning up process. and it also helps me consider how to improve my web site.
No, not really. When I was young, in the early 80's, I would vanish for months at a time. I would just tell my dad I was leaving, and show up a few month later. nobody would ever ask.
Learned how to pick tomatoes and peppers , drive a combine, build a house, and a lot more. if times were safer I would tell everyone to do it. I think in Australia they call it a walk-about or something like that.
A person has the right to vanish if they so feel like it. so he might have just, unplugged, and got off the grid. never know, he just might be in Mexico, drunk and happy with no worries.
>>Can you see the big picture? (Sometimes there is considerable business value in building something other than the "perfect" solution, and we want to be able to pay you to build something technically "lame" because it's the best way for us to make more money.)
this is sooo true, I am asked to consult a heck of a lot of times to very important people, that run big companies but have the computer skills of 1980. my solutions are often what you say, " not perfect: just working correctly " that lead to basic results that they want. What I do ask them to do is to make a solid foundation to work off of.
good example of this is the UGLY site. most company web sites have only a few goals - that is a) Branding, B) Lead generation, C) Information
branding sites are a pain, since you need to consult marketing and creative and they are generally very slow ( take a look at any top end watch makers site ) very pretty
lead generation sites are easy since it's a light marketing and get the visitor to fill out the form. ugly colors and the person just fills the form and leaves
Information sites are somewhat easy, just a solid design with good logic flow makes it wonderful. ( Google, Granger's catalog ) color wheel usage and clean.
Amazing, up to ten loads per day, I don't know how you do it. but with 9 kids I can only imagine. but to my point. you would save money on industrial washers, yes they are expensive, and a pain to install. they just don't break down. I was a partner in a laundry, and I spent time researching my competitors. they all had 1 brand for the ultra large loads ( sorry it's been a while ) and it's because it never broke and when it did, it was a 30 minute fix or less. They use less water and electricity ( based on load size ).
also don't forget to have great venting of the dryer, that little bit of wind resistance is what kills them. In my last home, I had they dryers vent into my greenhouse, worked like a charm and the snow would melt in the winter
people might laugh, but I run AVG all the time. nightly I run MS-defender, then weekly Search and destroy, monthly I run ad-aware.
You would be surprised what I still find. avg gets most of the real nastiest and defender gets the odd ball nasty. Search and destroy gets the web crap and some nasty and Ad-aware does a nice simple clean up.
>>but the search engines should not be indexing you.
Why? If I place my content to view, the engines that have clean IP's will clear my systems but those that are from other locations wont. so Google in asia won't see me but Google USA will. ( and that's been tested already with google, but not with yahoo)
if you choose to use Google USA to search but not your local brand it's not my problem, Google makes it easy.
currently most of Asia does not see certain sites that I manage ( my personal sites are world wide ), but cost being an issue, content costing a lot of man hours, and filing copyright on content, closing off Asia-Africa- and a few other locations has been cost effective and scraper reduction is now to null. ( that and issuing warnings about upcoming DCMA notices, you would be surprised how many scrapers have said "we remove quickly, don't tell yahoo or Google..." )
>>So he blocked access by nonpaying visitors from Asia and Europe completely because they were not generating enough revenue.
And, can you point out the problem with this? a web site is like a parking lot, that lot can generate a rental income, so why not design it to get the most out of it.
heck if the euro-Asia traffic is non-performing, then why give them the bandwidth. As much as we would all like to share, then end of the day it's $$$ that speak or otherwise it's a hobby and you don't care about the money.
I block traffic from certain IP's because I know they don't convert, which is the right of all web site owners.
What you are talking about ( or feeling ) is the spirit of the Internet where information is free. what is happening is that information, is being priced for those that are willing to pay up for it.
>>Allowing Google bot and not allowing 80% of the world population is called cloaking in my dictionary
no, if you read all the issues, most people could see his site, very few could not because scrapers were coming from those IP's. and 80%... maybe 30% at tops and north america - europe - had full access.
In reference to web master world issues with search engines. the discussion has been more than once discussed. basic registration get you most of the issues you want to learn, the paid subscriptions get you into the special area's.
you have to understand that his servers were consistently being spider-ed and his bandwidth cost were way high. kill all spiders was his first thing then he made special changes.
I have to laugh, at my last firm, I had to make the DR plan. it was real simple, every Thursday evening I would turn on the back up server software that I configured to mirror every-ones file's and setup's. Friday morning, I would shut it down, disconnect it, put it in my bosses car and grab the other back-up server. it was simple and cost effective. I also created a manual that was 40 pages long on how to restore.
It was simple and dumb, but it worked like a charm.
we had to utilize it already, since our office got flooded, and the boss picked me up, went to comp-USA picked up a few computers, and we had the office running in 9 hours.
You are 100% correct that Google does help clean up it's searches. I do about 100 web searches a day to learn stuff, every time I come across spammy results I send Google a note. I think it's working, because the next week when I want to learn more on a topic it's much improved
No I don't agree with this, people like myself have businesses that have optimised web sites ( I am in the Miami rental market ), we target exactly a few words and nothing more. most of my business is organic and I don't rank any higher than 5 ( would love to have 2 or 3 rank) but I get enough traffic that I am happy and keep my little building full.
I hate those spam-my web sites ( the top 4 other sites ) because they keep people away from my site and a few others that have vacation rentals here in Miami.
there was a farmer in Mexico that when ploughing his field, he hit an air vent, the air vent kept on spewing ash, and that ash over many months became a huge mountain.
I don't really know if this is a fable or not, but I could only guess that if you punch a hole into this, you'll get one heck of a mountain.
the statement " does that make it right ", you need to read your contract. Since I spent time reading my contract, with bell south and with comcast and with American broad band, I can say without a doubt, I get what I pay for.
most contract are written with statements that say ( generalising ) " you can get max output, but the truth is that you most likely won't since the line maybe shared with other consumers, but we will also protect you by having a minimum rate and slow down those that are trying to max the line "
my current contract reads ( generalising again ) " dedicated minimum speed is XYZ, max possible is xxx " and I pay for that, Also It helps that I am real close to the CO and that helps.
is not the solution to move out of the area if the police can not serve you? or you can run for an elected position. otherwise you end up worried about the police and possible a target of theirs.
I only have 1 issue with what you stated here " Remember, some 30 years ago, there was an OIL SHORTAGE. I mean serious. Rationing. You could buy gas on even days but not odd days. Cars that got over 40 miles to the gallon" that would be 1978 to 1980.
I was around back then ( and I do recall 72 to 74 also), funny thing that most people never care to write about or recall or don't have first hand knowledge of... there was a shortage of the physical product, and most of it was sitting off shore in tankers outside the delivery zone, these tankers were on orders not to deliver and stay outside since it was cheaper to keep the vessel parked ( about 3K - 5k day per day on 120,000 barrels VLCC ULCC ) then to deliver and miss-out of the prices skyrocketing.
the pricing curve was way out of line, the spot market was very high in comparison to the futures market ( sometimes 7 or 12 dollars a barrel ) it took it some time until vessels caught up with the out of whack oil prices ( took about 4 to 7 months ) then the supply and demand curve was within reasonable spreads.
the next year if I correctly recall, Iran's output via the gulf stopped. and a lot of Iraq's also when they went to war. that's why many can still recall the eighty's with higher prices
I think that this might be wrong: "Also high bandwidth sites can implement throttling where they don't feed as many users or they feed less packets to users to help bandwidth usage" Sites like slashdot, wired have no problem, if I remember correctly, they did a quick fix during 9/11 and it sped up the pages, I would like to see if you-tube or another one of those sites might try to throttle.
another issue is that most people forget, in a pandemic, you are staying put, indoors, so you wont get that repairman to visit unless he is real hungry for cash ( I know I would not accept Credit Cards ).
if it really happens, then I hope we can control it, like they did in Canada ( only a tiny little bit got hit if I recall ) and services were not really interrupted
Slashdot Mirror
Ramen brother:
Read the rules and you shall win. I did everything that Google ask of me, and I got exactly what I needed. Now over the next few years I know I'll get some ranking that is proper, but for what I already needed goggle did it. My place already has a ranking that works for it's name.
RAMEN brother. I worked very hard for my little site, it does not have any real ranking. but when someone wants to find my site and does not know the full name, it will rank number 1 - 5 on Google.
My little apartment building competes in the miami beach market so there is no chance in hell I can rank #20 or greater under a hotel type search.
I depend on buying AdWords to guild people to my place and depend on word of mouth. it the site ever breaks 20, I will be hosting a huge party and eat till I drop.
Nicely put!
also, never stop the marketing and the linking programs. Google hell is an important part of the Google cleaning up process. and it also helps me consider how to improve my web site.
Wonderful summary, I would also like to add the following:
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There has been a general decline in beekeepers as cited in this news paper http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2007-02-15/news/bee-
No, not really.
When I was young, in the early 80's, I would vanish for months at a time. I would just tell my dad I was leaving, and show up a few month later. nobody would ever ask.
Learned how to pick tomatoes and peppers , drive a combine, build a house, and a lot more. if times were safer I would tell everyone to do it. I think in Australia they call it a walk-about or something like that.
A person has the right to vanish if they so feel like it. so he might have just, unplugged, and got off the grid. never know, he just might be in Mexico, drunk and happy with no worries.
>>Can you see the big picture? (Sometimes there is considerable business value in building something other than the "perfect" solution, and we want to be able to pay you to build something technically "lame" because it's the best way for us to make more money.)
this is sooo true, I am asked to consult a heck of a lot of times to very important people, that run big companies but have the computer skills of 1980. my solutions are often what you say, " not perfect: just working correctly " that lead to basic results that they want. What I do ask them to do is to make a solid foundation to work off of.
good example of this is the UGLY site. most company web sites have only a few goals - that is
a) Branding,
B) Lead generation,
C) Information
branding sites are a pain, since you need to consult marketing and creative and they are generally very slow ( take a look at any top end watch makers site ) very pretty
lead generation sites are easy since it's a light marketing and get the visitor to fill out the form. ugly colors and the person just fills the form and leaves
Information sites are somewhat easy, just a solid design with good logic flow makes it wonderful. ( Google, Granger's catalog ) color wheel usage and clean.
Amazing, up to ten loads per day, I don't know how you do it. but with 9 kids I can only imagine. but to my point. you would save money on industrial washers, yes they are expensive, and a pain to install. they just don't break down. I was a partner in a laundry, and I spent time researching my competitors. they all had 1 brand for the ultra large loads ( sorry it's been a while ) and it's because it never broke and when it did, it was a 30 minute fix or less. They use less water and electricity ( based on load size ).
also don't forget to have great venting of the dryer, that little bit of wind resistance is what kills them. In my last home, I had they dryers vent into my greenhouse, worked like a charm and the snow would melt in the winter
people might laugh, but I run AVG all the time. nightly I run MS-defender, then weekly Search and destroy, monthly I run ad-aware.
You would be surprised what I still find.
avg gets most of the real nastiest and defender gets the odd ball nasty.
Search and destroy gets the web crap and some nasty
and Ad-aware does a nice simple clean up.
works for me.
>>but the search engines should not be indexing you.
..." )
Why? If I place my content to view, the engines that have clean IP's will clear my systems but those that are from other locations wont. so Google in asia won't see me but Google USA will. ( and that's been tested already with google, but not with yahoo)
if you choose to use Google USA to search but not your local brand it's not my problem, Google makes it easy.
currently most of Asia does not see certain sites that I manage ( my personal sites are world wide ), but cost being an issue, content costing a lot of man hours, and filing copyright on content, closing off Asia-Africa- and a few other locations has been cost effective and scraper reduction is now to null. ( that and issuing warnings about upcoming DCMA notices, you would be surprised how many scrapers have said "we remove quickly, don't tell yahoo or Google
onepoint
>>So he blocked access by nonpaying visitors from Asia and Europe completely because they were not generating enough revenue.
And, can you point out the problem with this? a web site is like a parking lot, that lot can generate a rental income, so why not design it to get the most out of it.
heck if the euro-Asia traffic is non-performing, then why give them the bandwidth. As much as we would all like to share, then end of the day it's $$$ that speak or otherwise it's a hobby and you don't care about the money.
I block traffic from certain IP's because I know they don't convert, which is the right of all web site owners.
What you are talking about ( or feeling ) is the spirit of the Internet where information is free. what is happening is that information, is being priced for those that are willing to pay up for it.
Onepoint
he did block Google. that's well document.
... maybe 30% at tops and north america - europe - had full access.
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>>Allowing Google bot and not allowing 80% of the world population is called cloaking in my dictionary
no, if you read all the issues, most people could see his site, very few could not because scrapers were coming from those IP's. and 80%
anyway here is the view point from brett : http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/051128-161
In reference to web master world issues with search engines. the discussion has been more than once discussed. basic registration get you most of the issues you want to learn, the paid subscriptions get you into the special area's.
you have to understand that his servers were consistently being spider-ed and his bandwidth cost were way high. kill all spiders was his first thing then he made special changes.
Onepoint.
how much rot did you have? I had one that I hot rodded a lonog time ago and the floor pan gave me some issues
I have to laugh, at my last firm, I had to make the DR plan. it was real simple, every Thursday evening I would turn on the back up server software that I configured to mirror every-ones file's and setup's. Friday morning, I would shut it down, disconnect it, put it in my bosses car and grab the other back-up server. it was simple and cost effective. I also created a manual that was 40 pages long on how to restore.
It was simple and dumb, but it worked like a charm.
we had to utilize it already, since our office got flooded, and the boss picked me up, went to comp-USA picked up a few computers, and we had the office running in 9 hours.
onepoint
you win, I will no longer look at the first page. LOL
You are 100% correct that Google does help clean up it's searches. I do about 100 web searches a day to learn stuff, every time I come across spammy results I send Google a note. I think it's working, because the next week when I want to learn more on a topic it's much improved
No I don't agree with this, people like myself have businesses that have optimised web sites ( I am in the Miami rental market ), we target exactly a few words and nothing more. most of my business is organic and I don't rank any higher than 5 ( would love to have 2 or 3 rank) but I get enough traffic that I am happy and keep my little building full.
I hate those spam-my web sites ( the top 4 other sites ) because they keep people away from my site and a few others that have vacation rentals here in Miami.
Onepoint
yep, that's the one. I always thought it was a myth. thanks for the correction.
a sorry (myth) I recall as a kid:
there was a farmer in Mexico that when ploughing his field, he hit an air vent, the air vent kept on spewing ash, and that ash over many months became a huge mountain.
I don't really know if this is a fable or not, but I could only guess that if you punch a hole into this, you'll get one heck of a mountain.
Onepoint
what godawful location are you in, there has to be something better, even that new sprint mobile service seems faster than that
the statement " does that make it right ", you need to read your contract. Since I spent time reading my contract, with bell south and with comcast and with American broad band, I can say without a doubt, I get what I pay for.
most contract are written with statements that say ( generalising ) " you can get max output, but the truth is that you most likely won't since the line maybe shared with other consumers, but we will also protect you by having a minimum rate and slow down those that are trying to max the line "
my current contract reads ( generalising again ) " dedicated minimum speed is XYZ, max possible is xxx " and I pay for that, Also It helps that I am real close to the CO and that helps.
onepoint
is not the solution to move out of the area if the police can not serve you? or you can run for an elected position. otherwise you end up worried about the police and possible a target of theirs.
I only have 1 issue with what you stated here " Remember, some 30 years ago, there was an OIL SHORTAGE. I mean serious. Rationing. You could buy gas on even days but not odd days. Cars that got over 40 miles to the gallon" that would be 1978 to 1980.
I was around back then ( and I do recall 72 to 74 also), funny thing that most people never care to write about or recall or don't have first hand knowledge of... there was a shortage of the physical product, and most of it was sitting off shore in tankers outside the delivery zone, these tankers were on orders not to deliver and stay outside since it was cheaper to keep the vessel parked ( about 3K - 5k day per day on 120,000 barrels VLCC ULCC ) then to deliver and miss-out of the prices skyrocketing.
the pricing curve was way out of line, the spot market was very high in comparison to the futures market ( sometimes 7 or 12 dollars a barrel ) it took it some time until vessels caught up with the out of whack oil prices ( took about 4 to 7 months ) then the supply and demand curve was within reasonable spreads.
the next year if I correctly recall, Iran's output via the gulf stopped. and a lot of Iraq's also when they went to war. that's why many can still recall the eighty's with higher prices
OK then what is France ?
I think that this might be wrong:
"Also high bandwidth sites can implement throttling where they don't feed as many users or they feed less packets to users to help bandwidth usage"
Sites like slashdot, wired have no problem, if I remember correctly, they did a quick fix during 9/11 and it sped up the pages,
I would like to see if you-tube or another one of those sites might try to throttle.
another issue is that most people forget, in a pandemic, you are staying put, indoors, so you wont get that repairman to visit unless he is real hungry for cash ( I know I would not accept Credit Cards ).
if it really happens, then I hope we can control it, like they did in Canada ( only a tiny little bit got hit if I recall ) and services were not really interrupted
Onepoint