>The temporality of public records has very serious implications for our social structure. If the only record of your speeding ticket is an entry in a database, what happens when a glitch makes you a drunken sloth who doesn't pay child support. If the entry showing Bush's drug convictions get deleted, will there be no other record.
A report on 20/20 recently showed a man that was innocent but his record showed that he was a convicted murderer, what had happened was that his SS number was used, just a simple typo. The guy was not able to get any jobs that did a criminal background search. Even after they cleared it up, the information brokers did not have updated records.
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Really, does inventory reports and terms of lending from 1982 mean anything of importance to the you, most likely not. But it give us insight to the thinking of those times. What we are really looking at is history, the more that is left behind the better the chances that people will not forget the mistakes we made.
Look at it from my perspective. I'm an investor, I have my charts of a stock that go back to 1981. I know by reading my chart every stall and every run up that a stock did. I plot my chart at the days value ( not adjusted for dividends ). Do you know how many times a stock stalls at certain numbers. I sure do and so does the guy who a bought the stock 15 years ago, and he's ready to unload it.
Classic example of the above is RCA (the top internet type company of the radio age) . It's high was around the mid 1930's and did not trade that high again until the late 60' early 70's. The stock had to fight all the way up and when it hit it's old lifetime high it had a lot of sellers. and the stock went down after that again.
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I only see paper as the solution. Bulky but it will hold up. But if given an option, I would like to see atomic scale writing on some sort of sheet ( metal / plastic /... ). that should be able to hold up for a long time as long as we have atomic scale readers.
As/. has pointed out in the past. Digital storage sometimes gets lost in the sense that there are no readers ( anybody recall that NASA tapes that are in storage because nobody can find a reader ? )
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1) when vessels are abandoned
2) or a request has been made by the vessels captain and negociated
3) emergency landings by aircraft military or not, do not qualify for salvage otherwise every airlines that has requested an emergency would be subject to salvage law.
4) recovery of a military vessel in international waters can be salvaged but you risk international headache if your caught.
5) old military vessels WWI, WWII are considered off limits by sovereign nations unless special diving permits are issued.
Ever wonder why the Bismark (WWII Nazi battle ship) has never been raise, Nor some US Vessels. It's because the respective government won't issue the "rights".
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Well there is a difference between rules for emergency landing if we are hostile or non-hostile. Hostile nation tries to make a landing on a military base would be escorted all the way down and might be signaled to dump his/her aircraft without getting close to the base. Non-hostile action would be just escorts.
In reference to what the rights are of the vessel in the airbase. It's a Milatary Base, not accessible to public/commerical vessels, so the rules that work are military.
My understanding is that a war vessel can dock in an emergency as long as the port is commercial. Also maritime industry has a long history about safe harbor so sometime it's considered tradition, BUT safe harbor does not have to be applied. Russian War Vessel come into NY and VA. all the time but first utilize the public docks (or wait for clearance) and if the vessel is cleared then it can utilize the military docks.
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My understanding was that not only the Russians, but the British, French, and China run Recon/listening post vessels off the coast of the USA.
All are required by convention to stay 12 miles off shore and when they tread to closely, the Coast Guard travels by them and gives them a broadcast about their distance. Very non-hostile but effective measure.
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> Now, if you were to take these sort of genetic algorithms in a purely software form, give them networking libraries to enable peer-to-peer communications and propogation throughout a network, and subscribed them to Bugtraq, and you might have a problem.
Yes there would be a small problem, no more bugs in the software. MS$ would be out of business. But the real fear is that a good GA might put people out of a job or reduce their chance of getting a job.
I recently read (I think in Forbes or/.) about fuzzy logic being used as a replacement, for profiling new job applicants. This I feel is unfair. A machine judging me would always give me a bad score. Reasons being that I type slow, I answer funny when I have to write, I use a lot of non-verbal clues in my presentations ? stuff that a machine can not pick up. Lucky for me that I have letters of recommendation going back 20 years and they can speak for themselves. But I fear that a new person similar to me would have a difficult time in getting into the door of such a profiler.
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I don't know if it's 80%, but I do recall a figure of 56% back in 1990. Mostly what happens is that "new friends" come into the picture. Sad to say that most people don't realize that the first thing that they should do is find a lawyer and one of the big accounting firms. That layer of protection is what stop's them.
I have in the pass assisted in helping someone that had inherited a large fortune and gave him this advice. "Tell everyone that your investment advisor has already placed your investment and they are locked for a few years". He still has all his money, but every time we?re together he will always thank me for that.
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In noting your comments, You are 100% correct. But even to this day there are problems. When I was running a international shipping company, I had made a simple check list. Here is part of it.
Short ton / long ton/metric ton
2000 lbs / 2200 lbs/2204.6 lbs
just those 3 different measures could cost you thosands of dollars in problems.
We had to buy "Bunker" for vessels all around the world. Bunker prices are quoted per ton. Now normaly it's metric but sometimes they would offer in long or short ton. You can now see my problem when we were buying 10,000 tons weekly.
Another one was vessel tonnage. Due to the way a vessel is registered, there is a good chance you'll have anywhere from 2 tonages to 4 tonages ( pannama, suez, british and international ) also gross and net tonnage. It's just a way that they will claim a tax on your vessel depending on where your going. So confirmation was very important due to the taxes one would pay durring a voyage.
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Well I think you might have to look at the problem differently.
I have broken the problem down a bit maybe this will help you
my idea is based of the following
1) short term storage is not required to be "wormed"
2) long term storage has to be "wormed"
3) there is flexability
I would look at the solution as this
1) hard drive servers gathering the daily/weekly/whatever rate data ( hot swap boxes to prevent down time )
1a) link all this to a tape backup server
2) tape drive system copies the data in a specific order that you have determined
2a) tape system lets you store huge amount of data cheaply. That might give you the edge when you need to store big amounts of information.
3) taped data transfered to optical system that is jukebox.
4) optical system stores data for warehousing
I'm thinking of the VDF16000 that has something around the area of 10-16 gigs of storage per 12" disk. and they have a jukebox system up to 1 tera + now this is going back about 3 years ago so there has to be something better. try looking at sony or philips I recall that they had something like this also.
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>A cure that's so expensive that only the top 1% can afford to pay for it might as well be no cure. But it sure makes for big profits for the drug companies.
I do not mean to troll!
But the first statement is true and is the way it happens ( at least in the USA )
We develope drugs and market them at very high prices in the USA. The same drugs can be bought in Canada at reduced rates. I believe that the same happens with alot of other products. In Japan it was cheaper (1988) to import a washing machine (same type and manufacture locally) than to buy it locally.
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What you are saying is that anybody can select what group your interested in correct. Good, that's understood.
What my beef is that I would like the funds earned (my percentage) donated to XYZ. Now that's not asking for to much, is it. I'm offering my cycles up, and in exchange I would like to be compensated. I don't care if the research is going into cancer or to aids. I just would like to see the return of my TIME.
Now look at it from my point please. For example, if I have 42 SGI O2's doing their animation / rendering work, I am in no position to offer up cpu cycles until the work is done. But I can commit maybe 3% of the cycles per second durring that job. of course that would delay my work. Now if I could get a small tax deduction or a return of some sort then the 3% of the cycle time would be justified. Hell, I would put up all 42 of them, if I knew that I could render on the distributed network. fair exchange of services.
In reference to closed or open source. I would think that most of the/. users understand that on scientific projects data is analyzed using the scientific method, where certain outputs will be known and precise measurements are a must. Open source development can not be used in those moments. On the otherhand, O.S. programers can be utilized to refine the code after the first program is completed. This would lead to optimization of the code and of the CPU cycles.
Currently the view from the/. community seems to have little or no trust in UD company. Therefore some parties would like to look at the source.
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The aspect on "cheap or Free" software is very interesting because it might be able to recover it's expenses via the educational books and the tech support/customer serve area.
With on offense to the Linux community, I think that Linux will have to grow into the SELinux. That is the only way I could really see corporate organizations moving from the windows/NT platform. From what I'm told ( I'm not familiar with many Linux application ) there happens to be better word processors, spreadsheets, databases... I'm just scared to do the move. I have not found any books that will really help me. And because of that fear I have progressed very slowly.
Agreeing with your statement, I think that M$ newer policies about their software, will cause corporate America to review Linux on a deeper level. If the software applications are out there, then corporation will jump at it.
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I thought that the transmission of the routing information was the slow part. But re-reading the information I can understand a bit better that the problem is at the routers themselves and the lack of speed at the routers:)
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I can only recall that it was a fixed instalation, they figured out the least amount of cabling, and steps from one machine to the next. And they used fuzzy logic to solve it. Sorry I wish I could recall more.
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You are correct. According to the article, it is the router-to-router and multihoming (sp?) traffic that is causing the problem.
But I have to ask the question: does router-to-router notification travel along the same pipes as e-mail and any other net traffic.
According to this research done in 1997 - 1998 spam traffic was anywhere from:
2% on pure ISP?s
10% on some corporate domains
and up to 50% on AOL
the link for this info is http://www.research.att.com/~lorrie/pubs/spam/spam.html
So, if reductions of the Spam traffic happen there might be an increase of communication speed between routers.
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It has to be a prank, but then again, I had an AOL developer in my house this weekend and he said " they might be firing from Time Warner But they are hiring at AOL, care to give me your resume?"
AOL might have pulled it... If they desire to get something off the net or the developement slowed to a crawl what better than to buy the resources ( developers ) and pay them well.
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I am not a lawyer. I believe the law your talking about is prior to 1967 or 1972. You can own gold in just about all types ( coin, bar and ball ). I think it just has to have a stamp of the purity and or the spamp of issue ( manufacture's stamp or country of manufacture ). At the World Trade Center in NYC there is a store that will sell you Gold coins, bars ( brand new freshly minted 999 purity ) all the way up to 6 troy oz.
In the USA you can get gold with a purity of 999 but when we had problems of trust with Russia, the russian gold was issued and tested at 9999. Most of that type of gold went to computer circuit board manufacture and surgical company's.
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The topic of money trasaction between the Swiss and other countries is well documented. The Swiss held regular meeting inwhich the Nazi and USA would establish the value of gold to respect to their currency. The meeting were held monthly all during the war.
It was simular to OPEC's meetings that happen when Iraq and Iran were at war. Oil outputs were established even thou those 2 parties were at war.
Nazi's only moved there assets to the Swiss Banks in the later years of the war... 1943 and onwards. That was a move to protect what little funds they could try to keep after their defeat.
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Also, back in the 30' and 40', your Swiss parent would take you out to learn how to shoot your gun. The Swiss were know to be some of the best sharp shooters in the world at that time. Most German generals during WWII were not very keen on taking on the Swiss because they felt that the death tool was going to be to high and would lower moral.
The Swiss were expert marksmen and could hit moving targets at distances greater than 100 meters and the children were taught the same skills.
It was understood that the Swiss would kill 5 to 7 german personel before the troops would get into position. ( an if I was swiss I would make sure that my first kill would be an officer )
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is it from Egypt? or Greece ;)
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>The temporality of public records has very serious implications for our social structure. If the only record of your speeding ticket is an entry in a database, what happens when a glitch makes you a drunken sloth who doesn't pay child support. If the entry showing Bush's drug convictions get deleted, will there be no other record.
A report on 20/20 recently showed a man that was innocent but his record showed that he was a convicted murderer, what had happened was that his SS number was used, just a simple typo. The guy was not able to get any jobs that did a criminal background search. Even after they cleared it up, the information brokers did not have updated records.
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Really, does inventory reports and terms of lending from 1982 mean anything of importance to the you, most likely not. But it give us insight to the thinking of those times. What we are really looking at is history, the more that is left behind the better the chances that people will not forget the mistakes we made.
Look at it from my perspective. I'm an investor, I have my charts of a stock that go back to 1981. I know by reading my chart every stall and every run up that a stock did. I plot my chart at the days value ( not adjusted for dividends ). Do you know how many times a stock stalls at certain numbers. I sure do and so does the guy who a bought the stock 15 years ago, and he's ready to unload it.
Classic example of the above is RCA (the top internet type company of the radio age) . It's high was around the mid 1930's and did not trade that high again until the late 60' early 70's. The stock had to fight all the way up and when it hit it's old lifetime high it had a lot of sellers. and the stock went down after that again.
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I only see paper as the solution. Bulky but it will hold up. But if given an option, I would like to see atomic scale writing on some sort of sheet ( metal / plastic / ... ). that should be able to hold up for a long time as long as we have atomic scale readers.
/. has pointed out in the past. Digital storage sometimes gets lost in the sense that there are no readers ( anybody recall that NASA tapes that are in storage because nobody can find a reader ? )
As
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Nope Slavage rights can only be claimed
1) when vessels are abandoned
2) or a request has been made by the vessels captain and negociated
3) emergency landings by aircraft military or not, do not qualify for salvage otherwise every airlines that has requested an emergency would be subject to salvage law.
4) recovery of a military vessel in international waters can be salvaged but you risk international headache if your caught.
5) old military vessels WWI, WWII are considered off limits by sovereign nations unless special diving permits are issued.
Ever wonder why the Bismark (WWII Nazi battle ship) has never been raise, Nor some US Vessels. It's because the respective government won't issue the "rights".
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Well there is a difference between rules for emergency landing if we are hostile or non-hostile. Hostile nation tries to make a landing on a military base would be escorted all the way down and might be signaled to dump his/her aircraft without getting close to the base. Non-hostile action would be just escorts.
In reference to what the rights are of the vessel in the airbase. It's a Milatary Base, not accessible to public/commerical vessels, so the rules that work are military.
My understanding is that a war vessel can dock in an emergency as long as the port is commercial. Also maritime industry has a long history about safe harbor so sometime it's considered tradition, BUT safe harbor does not have to be applied. Russian War Vessel come into NY and VA. all the time but first utilize the public docks (or wait for clearance) and if the vessel is cleared then it can utilize the military docks.
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My understanding was that not only the Russians, but the British, French, and China run Recon/listening post vessels off the coast of the USA.
All are required by convention to stay 12 miles off shore and when they tread to closely, the Coast Guard travels by them and gives them a broadcast about their distance. Very non-hostile but effective measure.
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> Now, if you were to take these sort of genetic algorithms in a purely software form, give them networking libraries to enable peer-to-peer communications and propogation throughout a network, and subscribed them to Bugtraq, and you might have a problem.
/.) about fuzzy logic being used as a replacement, for profiling new job applicants. This I feel is unfair. A machine judging me would always give me a bad score. Reasons being that I type slow, I answer funny when I have to write, I use a lot of non-verbal clues in my presentations ? stuff that a machine can not pick up. Lucky for me that I have letters of recommendation going back 20 years and they can speak for themselves. But I fear that a new person similar to me would have a difficult time in getting into the door of such a profiler.
Yes there would be a small problem, no more bugs in the software. MS$ would be out of business. But the real fear is that a good GA might put people out of a job or reduce their chance of getting a job.
I recently read (I think in Forbes or
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This is a great thread. Could someone please post some books that they have found helpful with routers and IP configurations. thank you
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I don't know if it's 80%, but I do recall a figure of 56% back in 1990. Mostly what happens is that "new friends" come into the picture. Sad to say that most people don't realize that the first thing that they should do is find a lawyer and one of the big accounting firms. That layer of protection is what stop's them.
I have in the pass assisted in helping someone that had inherited a large fortune and gave him this advice. "Tell everyone that your investment advisor has already placed your investment and they are locked for a few years". He still has all his money, but every time we?re together he will always thank me for that.
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I have not had a great laugh like this in a long time .. thank you
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In noting your comments, You are 100% correct. But even to this day there are problems. When I was running a international shipping company, I had made a simple check list. Here is part of it.
/metric ton
/2204.6 lbs
Short ton / long ton
2000 lbs / 2200 lbs
just those 3 different measures could cost you thosands of dollars in problems.
We had to buy "Bunker" for vessels all around the world. Bunker prices are quoted per ton. Now normaly it's metric but sometimes they would offer in long or short ton. You can now see my problem when we were buying 10,000 tons weekly.
Another one was vessel tonnage. Due to the way a vessel is registered, there is a good chance you'll have anywhere from 2 tonages to 4 tonages ( pannama, suez, british and international ) also gross and net tonnage. It's just a way that they will claim a tax on your vessel depending on where your going. So confirmation was very important due to the taxes one would pay durring a voyage.
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Well I think you might have to look at the problem differently.
I have broken the problem down a bit maybe this will help you
my idea is based of the following
1) short term storage is not required to be "wormed"
2) long term storage has to be "wormed"
3) there is flexability
I would look at the solution as this
1) hard drive servers gathering the daily/weekly/whatever rate data ( hot swap boxes to prevent down time )
1a) link all this to a tape backup server
2) tape drive system copies the data in a specific order that you have determined
2a) tape system lets you store huge amount of data cheaply. That might give you the edge when you need to store big amounts of information.
3) taped data transfered to optical system that is jukebox.
4) optical system stores data for warehousing
I'm thinking of the VDF16000 that has something around the area of 10-16 gigs of storage per 12" disk. and they have a jukebox system up to 1 tera + now this is going back about 3 years ago so there has to be something better. try looking at sony or philips I recall that they had something like this also.
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are your sure it is not 42 ;)
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>>An expensive cure is better than no cure.
>A cure that's so expensive that only the top 1% can afford to pay for it might as well be no cure. But it sure makes for big profits for the drug companies.
I do not mean to troll!
But the first statement is true and is the way it happens ( at least in the USA )
We develope drugs and market them at very high prices in the USA. The same drugs can be bought in Canada at reduced rates. I believe that the same happens with alot of other products. In Japan it was cheaper (1988) to import a washing machine (same type and manufacture locally) than to buy it locally.
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Counterpoint:
/. users understand that on scientific projects data is analyzed using the scientific method, where certain outputs will be known and precise measurements are a must. Open source development can not be used in those moments. On the otherhand, O.S. programers can be utilized to refine the code after the first program is completed. This would lead to optimization of the code and of the CPU cycles.
/. community seems to have little or no trust in UD company. Therefore some parties would like to look at the source.
What you are saying is that anybody can select what group your interested in correct. Good, that's understood.
What my beef is that I would like the funds earned (my percentage) donated to XYZ. Now that's not asking for to much, is it. I'm offering my cycles up, and in exchange I would like to be compensated. I don't care if the research is going into cancer or to aids. I just would like to see the return of my TIME.
Now look at it from my point please. For example, if I have 42 SGI O2's doing their animation / rendering work, I am in no position to offer up cpu cycles until the work is done. But I can commit maybe 3% of the cycles per second durring that job. of course that would delay my work. Now if I could get a small tax deduction or a return of some sort then the 3% of the cycle time would be justified. Hell, I would put up all 42 of them, if I knew that I could render on the distributed network. fair exchange of services.
In reference to closed or open source. I would think that most of the
Currently the view from the
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The aspect on "cheap or Free" software is very interesting because it might be able to recover it's expenses via the educational books and the tech support/customer serve area.
... I'm just scared to do the move. I have not found any books that will really help me. And because of that fear I have progressed very slowly.
With on offense to the Linux community, I think that Linux will have to grow into the SELinux. That is the only way I could really see corporate organizations moving from the windows/NT platform. From what I'm told ( I'm not familiar with many Linux application ) there happens to be better word processors, spreadsheets, databases
Agreeing with your statement, I think that M$ newer policies about their software, will cause corporate America to review Linux on a deeper level. If the software applications are out there, then corporation will jump at it.
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Thank you. I was not sure.
:)
I thought that the transmission of the routing information was the slow part. But re-reading the information I can understand a bit better that the problem is at the routers themselves and the lack of speed at the routers
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I seem to recall /. having an article about this.
I can only recall that it was a fixed instalation, they figured out the least amount of cabling, and steps from one machine to the next. And they used fuzzy logic to solve it. Sorry I wish I could recall more.
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You are correct. According to the article, it is the router-to-router and multihoming (sp?) traffic that is causing the problem.
m .html
But I have to ask the question: does router-to-router notification travel along the same pipes as e-mail and any other net traffic.
According to this research done in 1997 - 1998 spam traffic was anywhere from:
2% on pure ISP?s
10% on some corporate domains
and up to 50% on AOL
the link for this info is http://www.research.att.com/~lorrie/pubs/spam/spa
So, if reductions of the Spam traffic happen there might be an increase of communication speed between routers.
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It has to be a prank, but then again, I had an AOL developer in my house this weekend and he said " they might be firing from Time Warner But they are hiring at AOL, care to give me your resume?"
... If they desire to get something off the net or the developement slowed to a crawl what better than to buy the resources ( developers ) and pay them well.
AOL might have pulled it
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This is the link. http://www.peabody.uga.edu/news/pressreleases/pres srelease.asp?ID=57
I think someone hacked the list.
Reasons :
The last 3 shows are presented incorrectly. You will see that the winners and the description of the winners do not have a space after them.
The last 3 shows do not seem to be the types of shows that should be winning ( again this is my view ).
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I am not a lawyer. I believe the law your talking about is prior to 1967 or 1972. You can own gold in just about all types ( coin, bar and ball ). I think it just has to have a stamp of the purity and or the spamp of issue ( manufacture's stamp or country of manufacture ). At the World Trade Center in NYC there is a store that will sell you Gold coins, bars ( brand new freshly minted 999 purity ) all the way up to 6 troy oz.
In the USA you can get gold with a purity of 999 but when we had problems of trust with Russia, the russian gold was issued and tested at 9999. Most of that type of gold went to computer circuit board manufacture and surgical company's.
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The topic of money trasaction between the Swiss and other countries is well documented. The Swiss held regular meeting inwhich the Nazi and USA would establish the value of gold to respect to their currency. The meeting were held monthly all during the war.
It was simular to OPEC's meetings that happen when Iraq and Iran were at war. Oil outputs were established even thou those 2 parties were at war.
Nazi's only moved there assets to the Swiss Banks in the later years of the war... 1943 and onwards. That was a move to protect what little funds they could try to keep after their defeat.
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Also, back in the 30' and 40', your Swiss parent would take you out to learn how to shoot your gun. The Swiss were know to be some of the best sharp shooters in the world at that time. Most German generals during WWII were not very keen on taking on the Swiss because they felt that the death tool was going to be to high and would lower moral.
The Swiss were expert marksmen and could hit moving targets at distances greater than 100 meters and the children were taught the same skills.
It was understood that the Swiss would kill 5 to 7 german personel before the troops would get into position. ( an if I was swiss I would make sure that my first kill would be an officer )
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