I shall a commercial on Sunday or Monday for this T-Mobile service where it was declared that this is the first cell/smart phone with WiFi. I may have missed earlier commercials, or some nuances of the commercials, but after the wide iPhone launch last Friday, I was a bit confused.
If we could put up a McD's or a KFC store on the comets, do we have credit/debit machines there that are able to charge the aliens at the drive through? I assume park-side service would be unavailable since the roller skating martian cuties would probably just fly off into space.
Question- what do you do if you come upon a security hole? Answer- ?
Case in point, some grad student in physics accidentally came across a vulnerability in the engineering dept's site. He reported it to his adviser the same day. (Yes, it was all proven). Adviser told the engineering dept., they fixed it, high fives all around. About a year later, the psych dept. gets broken into with a quasi-semi like exploit. Who does the uni and cops go straight after as a suspect? Yup, the kid who turned in the engineering vulnerability. Eventually was cleared, but how great is it to be a "Good Samaritan"?
So now you are student who comes across a commercial exploit. Now what? Auction is off for some moohla, let the company know, sit tight? If you auction it off and don't get sued by the company, does the school have a right to kick you out due to "unethical behavior"? If you let the company know, what kind of exposure do you have then? Can they accuse of being a hacker? If something similar in the future happens, can they come back to you? If you're a fan (or fanboy) of the company and sit tight, and later it gets hit by the same exploit, how is your conscience?
Now ramp the whole thing up to be a person in the commercial field. Tell your boss, etc.?
Now ramp it up to government level. Tell.... ? (underpant gnomes- had to fit that in somewhere)
Now ramp it up to classified level. Wait... nah, you cool as long as you tell your boss so -they- can exploit it.
As an individual at home, you'll probably be fine as long as you don't use the exploit to your advantage, and if you report it to a security site or the company I would think you would be fine.
Personally, I wouldn't touch this site with a 6 foot pole.
I do not mean to contradict you, but the newer stations (last 5-7 years or so) have signs posted about what type of tanks they have. The smallest ones were 10 feet diameter, so I have to assume that you were testing older sites.
Also, even 2 feet underground (for the top of the tank) provides a at least a 10 degree F difference (go dig a 2 foot deep hole and measure the difference). This is only anecdotal from my landscaping adventures, and I was kind of surprised, so I took temp measurements. Of course this was clay soil under grass, so I can see how being under asphalt could be (much) less.
But I assume that the gas is taken from the bottom of the tank, which would be the lowest temperature.
So for now you are required to get insurance. What next, required genetic testing? Pre-natal screenings for possible conditions, requiring you to get an abortion if the fetus is not "in the acceptable range"?
Yeah, I know it's way out there... but have you seen Gattaca? The rate the US is going, I'm... disturbed.
Probably just trying to punch up their quarterly numbers, for whatever inane reason. Plus, trying to get it out to people for the 4th so new iPhone users will brandy about their new phone to everyone at the picnic, getting more hype for -more- new buyers.
Still badly executed; Apple and ATT should have set up clear and distinct boundries as to which problems each company handled and methods to fix expected problems. Also, Apple should have put up some kiosks in their and ATT's stores where you could activate your phone on-site, rather than have to go home to do it. They had 6 months to figure out some way to do this.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and no one has rolled out a phone this way before. Hopefully they learn for iPhone 2.0.
Expect 10 replies of personal experiences on how each service does suck and 10 replies of personal experiences on how each service just rocks. Plus a couple of "me and all my friends have had sucky/great experience".
Every time cell phone networks come up, this is what happens, sadly.
Thanks for the reply- I really didn't know except for what is sloshed around here on/. Sounds like a decent system. Of course, I have no hope that the US government could implement such a system without totally screwing it up, and essentially end up just like we are now. They would probably have "tiered services" where one could purchase "upgraded coverage", or something like that.
I know that the US system is totally off-kilter, but I have no idea how to fix it, sadly.
The more they push ink lock-in with the excessive pricing and having false-negatives with "real" ink cartridges, the more people are going to get fed up with this. Some bright company will come up with the innovative idea of charging real prices for the printers and real prices for the ink (yes, it would take a while for -that- to catch on). Also, laser printers are starting to get real cheap (compared to the past). Methinks that most people use color printing for either work or for printing pictures; well, there are those idiots who have to put out a color brochure about their family each Christmas to 30 other families who could give a shit about it. Work- just use your work printer. Pics- go to Walmart/Cvs/any place that takes digital inputs now. Xmas brochure- just give 1 to your dog.
People got addicted to color printing years ago and now can't even imagine "just" black and white.
And how long does it take someone to get a procedure done? My dad had to have gall bladder surgery (funny, I think someone already mentioned this above), and he had it 2 days later. When my wife had a toothache (later to be discovered as a cavity), she saw the dentist the same day. Is laser corrective eye surgery covered (true, only partially covered here)? How long does it take to see a doctor if you have an earache?
Sure, everyone elsewhere gets to see a doctor for free or reduced rates or however the individual country does it for normal and routine stuff, and for really bad emergency stuff, where does the middle things fall? Sure a toothache or an earache is not an emergency, but at least in the US if you are not covered by insurance you can go to a local clinic and pay upfront to see someone right away to make the problem and pain go away now.
Everyone keeps targeting how cheap it is. Yes, I'm lucky to have insurance through my wife's company. Before we were married my wife didn't have insurance so she had to rely on a clinic, and though expensive at least she could go quickly when she needed to (diabetic with some complications).
"Let me make a guess here - a reasonable proportion/most of the responders are Americans who can afford Medical Insurance. Rarely have I heard such sneering disdain for the poor and for documentary makers. Michael Moore makes films that try to show you what has happened to your country and mostly all you can seem to do is sneer at him."
My uncle was diagnosed with (turned out to be terminal after 4 years) cancer, and shortly thereafter my grandmother had to be into a home due to Alzheimer's. My family (grandfather, dad, mom, and myself) had nowhere near enough money to pay for their expenses, as well as taking as much time off as we could to be with them. Medicaid (or is it Medicare, I get them confused) and Social Security payments kept being pushed off and off, while their debts kept going up. So I wrote their respective Congressmen and Senators, and the state governor, and behold they started getting help within a month. Yes, my immediate family (dad, mom, me) have med insurance through our jobs, but it didn't extend to them. So they eventually got government help. I don't sneer at the poor. I don't like Moore because he seems like a complete propagandist. Even though we don't have a socialist health care system, there are other places to look for help besides private insurance. Medicare, all kinds of community programs, some of the big non-profit disease centers offer help. I know that not everyone will be able to get help this way, but I don't think putting people on 12 month waiting lists is a big improvement overall.
Yeah, they (and my other grandmother and 2 pets) all died that calendar year. By the 3rd funeral we were joking about getting life insurance policies on each other.....
But you are correct, we should immediately turn to a silicon economy.
We tried wind turbines, but apparently there are congress critters who are complaining we are killing to many birds with the turbines. We tried nuclear plants, and I'm sure I don't have to list all the reasons why people say they are bad. Solar power- we'll just look at all the toxic crap that goes into making the panels. Tidal power is supposedly also doing something bad to the oceans/rivers (can't remember off the top of my head).
So, every time we try to go non-carbon (and in reality the big one is nuclear so far), some group jumps up and craps on it, while at the same time crapping on the carbon economy. And no, I'm not going to look for sources for you because they have all been here on/., the New York Times, MSNBC, and CSPAN several times. I'm not your research boy. (I hate that "Gimme gimme sources" for stuff that has already been posted at least on/.)
"- use free open source system diagnostic tools (debuggers, checksum verification, hook detection, etc) to check for suspicious behavior - dump and inspect all network traffic using wireshark or some other sort of traffic sifting/filtering technique"
Most of the above IS security software, just not the popular paid programs.
I get your point, though. Just wanted to point it out.
"This statement is far to dismissive for a product that isn't even concrete yet. It's just heading into beta, there is little available data, and you have already dismissed it."
Gee, kinda sounds like the article describing the Safari beta for Windows.
After reading almost all of the current replies....
The US law is "beyond a reasonable doubt". And with this freak show, I see all kinds of doubt.
There was some discussion about letting the guilty go free vs. putting innocents in jail. For some reason I don't think this individual is going to go on and kill more people (if he did kill his wife).
Yes, he is wacko. But circumstance, at least to me, is not compelling enough to take away someone's life.
Don't know if this will work for you, but my wrist went back to normal after I got a trackball. I use a 5 year old Kensington, so they should have some newer stuff, but it has good software and a natural grip to it. You can program it to emulate scroll functions and such. Might be worth a few minutes to check out their stuff.
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I shall a commercial on Sunday or Monday for this T-Mobile service where it was declared that this is the first cell/smart phone with WiFi. I may have missed earlier commercials, or some nuances of the commercials, but after the wide iPhone launch last Friday, I was a bit confused.
Well, 2% if the US is roughly 6 million. (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-worl d-factbook/print/us.html)
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About 2 million (usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aapriso
The UK population is around 60 million. 2% is 1.2 million.
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The UK prison population was around 70k. (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r188.pdf) This is about 0.12%.
So yeah, even for us thuggish Colonials, 2% is pretty high.
If we could put up a McD's or a KFC store on the comets, do we have credit/debit machines there that are able to charge the aliens at the drive through? I assume park-side service would be unavailable since the roller skating martian cuties would probably just fly off into space.
And don't forget 100% Angus methane!
It was an InfoSec class in a Masters program.
Question- what do you do if you come upon a security hole?
Answer- ?
Case in point, some grad student in physics accidentally came across a vulnerability in the engineering dept's site. He reported it to his adviser the same day. (Yes, it was all proven). Adviser told the engineering dept., they fixed it, high fives all around. About a year later, the psych dept. gets broken into with a quasi-semi like exploit. Who does the uni and cops go straight after as a suspect? Yup, the kid who turned in the engineering vulnerability. Eventually was cleared, but how great is it to be a "Good Samaritan"?
So now you are student who comes across a commercial exploit. Now what? Auction is off for some moohla, let the company know, sit tight? If you auction it off and don't get sued by the company, does the school have a right to kick you out due to "unethical behavior"? If you let the company know, what kind of exposure do you have then? Can they accuse of being a hacker? If something similar in the future happens, can they come back to you? If you're a fan (or fanboy) of the company and sit tight, and later it gets hit by the same exploit, how is your conscience?
Now ramp the whole thing up to be a person in the commercial field. Tell your boss, etc.?
Now ramp it up to government level. Tell.... ? (underpant gnomes- had to fit that in somewhere)
Now ramp it up to classified level. Wait... nah, you cool as long as you tell your boss so -they- can exploit it.
As an individual at home, you'll probably be fine as long as you don't use the exploit to your advantage, and if you report it to a security site or the company I would think you would be fine.
Personally, I wouldn't touch this site with a 6 foot pole.
I do not mean to contradict you, but the newer stations (last 5-7 years or so) have signs posted about what type of tanks they have. The smallest ones were 10 feet diameter, so I have to assume that you were testing older sites.
Also, even 2 feet underground (for the top of the tank) provides a at least a 10 degree F difference (go dig a 2 foot deep hole and measure the difference). This is only anecdotal from my landscaping adventures, and I was kind of surprised, so I took temp measurements. Of course this was clay soil under grass, so I can see how being under asphalt could be (much) less.
But I assume that the gas is taken from the bottom of the tank, which would be the lowest temperature.
I don't know, I'm no expert.
So for now you are required to get insurance. What next, required genetic testing? Pre-natal screenings for possible conditions, requiring you to get an abortion if the fetus is not "in the acceptable range"?
Yeah, I know it's way out there... but have you seen Gattaca? The rate the US is going, I'm... disturbed.
I'm guessing you also sucked his dick?
Probably just trying to punch up their quarterly numbers, for whatever inane reason. Plus, trying to get it out to people for the 4th so new iPhone users will brandy about their new phone to everyone at the picnic, getting more hype for -more- new buyers.
Still badly executed; Apple and ATT should have set up clear and distinct boundries as to which problems each company handled and methods to fix expected problems. Also, Apple should have put up some kiosks in their and ATT's stores where you could activate your phone on-site, rather than have to go home to do it. They had 6 months to figure out some way to do this.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and no one has rolled out a phone this way before. Hopefully they learn for iPhone 2.0.
Oh boy, you just opened up a can of worms.
:P
Expect 10 replies of personal experiences on how each service does suck and 10 replies of personal experiences on how each service just rocks. Plus a couple of "me and all my friends have had sucky/great experience".
Every time cell phone networks come up, this is what happens, sadly.
For me Cingular/ATT/Bob's Cell isn't too bad
Now that you mentioned this, I recall someone said something about this a week or so ago.
Thanks for reminding me!
Thanks for the reply- I really didn't know except for what is sloshed around here on /. Sounds like a decent system. Of course, I have no hope that the US government could implement such a system without totally screwing it up, and essentially end up just like we are now. They would probably have "tiered services" where one could purchase "upgraded coverage", or something like that.
I know that the US system is totally off-kilter, but I have no idea how to fix it, sadly.
Hope your mom is ok.
Sir, are you trying to take my humor away? :)
(yeah, I knew about Clipper, but so much less fun than a dancing paper clip....)
The more they push ink lock-in with the excessive pricing and having false-negatives with "real" ink cartridges, the more people are going to get fed up with this. Some bright company will come up with the innovative idea of charging real prices for the printers and real prices for the ink (yes, it would take a while for -that- to catch on). Also, laser printers are starting to get real cheap (compared to the past). Methinks that most people use color printing for either work or for printing pictures; well, there are those idiots who have to put out a color brochure about their family each Christmas to 30 other families who could give a shit about it. Work- just use your work printer. Pics- go to Walmart/Cvs/any place that takes digital inputs now. Xmas brochure- just give 1 to your dog.
People got addicted to color printing years ago and now can't even imagine "just" black and white.
And how long does it take someone to get a procedure done? My dad had to have gall bladder surgery (funny, I think someone already mentioned this above), and he had it 2 days later. When my wife had a toothache (later to be discovered as a cavity), she saw the dentist the same day. Is laser corrective eye surgery covered (true, only partially covered here)? How long does it take to see a doctor if you have an earache?
Sure, everyone elsewhere gets to see a doctor for free or reduced rates or however the individual country does it for normal and routine stuff, and for really bad emergency stuff, where does the middle things fall? Sure a toothache or an earache is not an emergency, but at least in the US if you are not covered by insurance you can go to a local clinic and pay upfront to see someone right away to make the problem and pain go away now.
Everyone keeps targeting how cheap it is. Yes, I'm lucky to have insurance through my wife's company. Before we were married my wife didn't have insurance so she had to rely on a clinic, and though expensive at least she could go quickly when she needed to (diabetic with some complications).
"Let me make a guess here - a reasonable proportion/most of the responders are Americans who can afford Medical Insurance.
Rarely have I heard such sneering disdain for the poor and for documentary makers. Michael Moore makes films that try to show you what has happened to your country and mostly all you can seem to do is sneer at him."
My uncle was diagnosed with (turned out to be terminal after 4 years) cancer, and shortly thereafter my grandmother had to be into a home due to Alzheimer's. My family (grandfather, dad, mom, and myself) had nowhere near enough money to pay for their expenses, as well as taking as much time off as we could to be with them. Medicaid (or is it Medicare, I get them confused) and Social Security payments kept being pushed off and off, while their debts kept going up. So I wrote their respective Congressmen and Senators, and the state governor, and behold they started getting help within a month. Yes, my immediate family (dad, mom, me) have med insurance through our jobs, but it didn't extend to them. So they eventually got government help. I don't sneer at the poor. I don't like Moore because he seems like a complete propagandist. Even though we don't have a socialist health care system, there are other places to look for help besides private insurance. Medicare, all kinds of community programs, some of the big non-profit disease centers offer help. I know that not everyone will be able to get help this way, but I don't think putting people on 12 month waiting lists is a big improvement overall.
Yeah, they (and my other grandmother and 2 pets) all died that calendar year. By the 3rd funeral we were joking about getting life insurance policies on each other.....
Did you write the script to "Waterworld"?
/., the New York Times, MSNBC, and CSPAN several times. I'm not your research boy. (I hate that "Gimme gimme sources" for stuff that has already been posted at least on /.)
But you are correct, we should immediately turn to a silicon economy.
We tried wind turbines, but apparently there are congress critters who are complaining we are killing to many birds with the turbines. We tried nuclear plants, and I'm sure I don't have to list all the reasons why people say they are bad. Solar power- we'll just look at all the toxic crap that goes into making the panels. Tidal power is supposedly also doing something bad to the oceans/rivers (can't remember off the top of my head).
So, every time we try to go non-carbon (and in reality the big one is nuclear so far), some group jumps up and craps on it, while at the same time crapping on the carbon economy. And no, I'm not going to look for sources for you because they have all been here on
Any suggestions?
hate to point this out...
"- use free open source system diagnostic tools (debuggers, checksum verification, hook detection, etc) to check for suspicious behavior
- dump and inspect all network traffic using wireshark or some other sort of traffic sifting/filtering technique"
Most of the above IS security software, just not the popular paid programs.
I get your point, though. Just wanted to point it out.
"Readers can win $500 in cash and write their names in the history of computer science by naming the new technology."
Is "Clippy" taken?
Discovery has a "worst job" show, right?
Love to see Mike Rowe walk into MS's lobby and see Bill just tackle him out the door. Or Ballmer.
Yeah, I'm weird.
You really think the candidates even know the difference between Linux or (ok, maybe) Microsoft is? Besides how much money they get from them?
I doubt even their political wranglers even know. They hire somebody, say "give a website", and there ends any political involvement.
Yeah, Hilary is all down into the Linux tree debugging code. That's less likely then her debugging Bill.
"This statement is far to dismissive for a product that isn't even concrete yet. It's just heading into beta, there is little available data, and you have already dismissed it."
Gee, kinda sounds like the article describing the Safari beta for Windows.
After reading almost all of the current replies....
The US law is "beyond a reasonable doubt". And with this freak show, I see all kinds of doubt.
There was some discussion about letting the guilty go free vs. putting innocents in jail. For some reason I don't think this individual is going to go on and kill more people (if he did kill his wife).
Yes, he is wacko. But circumstance, at least to me, is not compelling enough to take away someone's life.
"So who DOES go after bad cops?"
Internal Affairs?
So you saved $26,000 for college by the time you were 18?
Don't know if this will work for you, but my wrist went back to normal after I got a trackball. I use a 5 year old Kensington, so they should have some newer stuff, but it has good software and a natural grip to it. You can program it to emulate scroll functions and such. Might be worth a few minutes to check out their stuff.