> like some wet behind the ears *kid* who's only interested in his own problems, rather than the one the company pays him to work on?
So you're suggesting I should worry about my company's problem instead of my own? Did you not understand from my post that I am unemployed? Even if I wasn't, I could give two shits about a company who is going to can me when one of the two following conditions are met:
1. There is yet another recession, or
2. I am making too much money and will be replaced for someone who they can pay less.
Why should I look out for my company when they won't look out for me. I have to keep my own and my family's well-being in mind. Admit it - there is no job security in IT. If you think I am doing something else wrong, I welcome further comments. That's how we kids learn.
> We want to provide broadband where the other guys can't."
The article also says:
> The company has just launched in Denver... and plans to go back on the air in San Diego soon.
Were Denver and San Diego without broadband access all this time? And I thought Wisconsin was backwards... Next thing you know they'll set up shop in Palo Alto and Menlo Park. Moooo!
If it's bad to hire college graduates as admins, who should a company hire? Experienced people you say? What happens when those people eventually die of old age? Since the "college grads" could not be hired, they won't be experienced.
I guess we'll just get rid of IT in about 40 years. A shame, really.
Somebody has to hire us, or we'll never get experienced. Alas, this does not seem to be the trend. Perhaps I can go back to school and become a culinary artist. People will always have to eat, but we all know IT is a dead industry.
> Unlike your *cough* bachelor of business administration *cough*.
Did you read my signature?? Do you actually think I value my worthless degree? I would trade it for all the time and money I wasted in a second. The lies of how easy it would be to find a job after graduation clouded my mind.
> That'll be a great reliable system, just like the eMachine I threw in the trash last year!
True, it won't be a very good primary desktop machine, but I could see it being a good secondary machine. Some examples:
1. I want a PC in the living room so my roommates won't use my computer all the time, but they are too cheap to help out much.
2. I want a computer next to my bed/in the kitchen so I can minimize e-mail down time. Oh yeah, and I don't want an appliance that I can't customize either (*ahem* I-Opener)
3. I'm a budding young MCSE who wants to set up an Active Directory for study. I've got my primary machine as the DC, but I need to clients to work with. Voila!
Just some ideas. Of course, #3 is unlikely to subscribe to the Click-n-Run, which will piss off the Lindows peeps.
Let us not forget the $99 membership to the Click-n-Run warehouse. Without it, it takes away from the appeal of Lindows.
That is how partially how Walmart sells a $299. They almost automatically are gaurenteed another $99 upon booting the thing up. What newbie can live without the Click-n-Run Warehouse? Or maybe they just have really good source code compiling instructions?
> It makes a lot more sense if there's plans for IBM to buy VA - in a M$/Hotmail sorta way.
Now that idea has some potential, and I believe IBM wouldn't trash it like MS did to Hotmail either. I think they would respect its design. Sure, they throw some ads for eServers and such in there, but the core would remain.
IT is a DEAD INDUSTRY. Admit it now and it will make your life easier. Pack up your talents and try something else. Be an entrepreneur or go back to school and learn a trade.
For those of you who have jobs and disagree with me, wait until your company catches up and fires your ass (which you can then whipe with your stock options).
> and al of them agree: It looked better from the outside. They too work unreasonable hours and can't take vacations and work always comes home with them...
I have no doubt in my mind that this is true and it is a lot of hard work, but at least they have jobs/careers. It costs money to make money. I would love to become an *successful* entrepreneur, but you can't do it on pennies anymore.
I've tried two businesses (both, unfortunately in IT), and both have failed. Perhaps that means I am a bad business manager. Perhaps that's just a fact of life - most entrepreneurs have a few failures before they hit the money maker. Either way, I don't have the cash to keep trying and I can't get a job to boot.
1 - This is only temporary. Recessions come and go, and so this one shall pass in time. There will be another "boom," though a more realistic one, in the future.
I'm glad that help you sleep at night, but let's face it - IT is a dead industry. Companies are realizing they don't need that much IT, and qulified people are going to hang onto their jobs. Entry level people are SCREWED, as all companies are looking for experience.
Knowing how to use a computer is like being able to drive an automobile in the early 1900's - a rare skill. Since everyone is expected to know computers these days, just like driving, we are all useless.
I, too, am sad about my wasted time at college. I'm trying to change all that, but I could have had 4 years of experience right now (which is what employers really want) instead of 4-years of worthless courses and a piece of paper valuable only as ass-wipe.
I think Intel would be more happy to work with Apple and their unique desires that Motorola is. Apple seems like a side job on Motorola's plate, whereas Intel has been looking to become less dependent on Windows PCs. Plus, Intel doesn't seem to care where it sells its CPUs to as long as they sell.
> I had to walk to the computer each time to do something because the phone and computer were in different rooms.
God this bothers the hell out of me. I'm trying to fix your problem and I have to wait while you walk back and forth and try to describe what you remember from the screen. Then between each click of the mouse you have to do the walk.
If you can afford a computer you can afford a fucking cordless phone. Live in the now, you'll like it.
I very much enjoyed JSP, Servlets, and MySQL published by Wiley, although I think it dicusses Tomcat 3. They also have a MySQL/PHP Database Applications book. I found the JSP book very good for someone who has familiarity with other server-side scripting languages but hasn't dabbled much with Java technologies.
Ok, I've heard everybody mention the fact that Linux is free and that is why the numbers are low. I've heard others rebut the fact that not everybody sees Linux as free because it costs money in your average retail store. However...
1. I would dare to say the majority of Linux installs is of free ISOs (sorry, no evidence), which would still affect the low sales figure dramatically. 2. For those who use dialup and wish to purchase Linux, most distributions can be found for $5 or less, also contributing to low sales figures.
Also, do we know what "linux sales down" means? Does it mean retail purchases or anytime someone shells out money for Linux? What about expensive systems where a vendor version of Linux is included?
For example, if I buy a Sun Cobalt RAQ server right now, I get a nice server with Cobalt Linux installed on it. Sun has sold me the system and included a version of Linux with the sale of the system. Did the study give a dollar value to the Linux OS that was sold with my server in this case? I doubt it. There are a helluva lot of web hosting providers that use RAQs.
> It hasn't occured to any of you that many people don't have broadband and therefore prefer to actually buy the product instead of downloading it for weeks?
This seem irrelevent to the issue. I think most people are suggesting that the fact that it is free will serious erode its sales (but as you say, not all sales). Additionally, the fact that you can BUY most distributions of Linux for $5 or less also contributes to its trailing dollars...
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> like some wet behind the ears *kid* who's only interested in his own problems, rather than the one the company pays him to work on?
So you're suggesting I should worry about my company's problem instead of my own? Did you not understand from my post that I am unemployed? Even if I wasn't, I could give two shits about a company who is going to can me when one of the two following conditions are met:
1. There is yet another recession, or
2. I am making too much money and will be replaced for someone who they can pay less.
Why should I look out for my company when they won't look out for me. I have to keep my own and my family's well-being in mind. Admit it - there is no job security in IT. If you think I am doing something else wrong, I welcome further comments. That's how we kids learn.
From the article:
... and plans to go back on the air in San Diego soon.
> We want to provide broadband where the other guys can't."
The article also says:
> The company has just launched in Denver
Were Denver and San Diego without broadband access all this time? And I thought Wisconsin was backwards... Next thing you know they'll set up shop in Palo Alto and Menlo Park. Moooo!
If it's bad to hire college graduates as admins, who should a company hire? Experienced people you say? What happens when those people eventually die of old age? Since the "college grads" could not be hired, they won't be experienced.
I guess we'll just get rid of IT in about 40 years. A shame, really.
Somebody has to hire us, or we'll never get experienced. Alas, this does not seem to be the trend. Perhaps I can go back to school and become a culinary artist. People will always have to eat, but we all know IT is a dead industry.
Debian 3.0 did pretty well compared to SuSE.
Link shamelessly stolen from this post.
> Unlike your *cough* bachelor of business administration *cough*.
Did you read my signature?? Do you actually think I value my worthless degree? I would trade it for all the time and money I wasted in a second. The lies of how easy it would be to find a job after graduation clouded my mind.
"I have a BS in this..." "I have a BA in that..."
Admit it, IT is a dead industry and your degree is worthless (except for use as ass wipe).
"just get a laptop"
Yeah, why didn't I think of that? How about I get a couple of them while I'm at it?
I think I'll "just pay my car payment" and "just pay my rent" before I do that.
> That'll be a great reliable system, just like the eMachine I threw in the trash last year!
True, it won't be a very good primary desktop machine, but I could see it being a good secondary machine. Some examples:
1. I want a PC in the living room so my roommates won't use my computer all the time, but they are too cheap to help out much.
2. I want a computer next to my bed/in the kitchen so I can minimize e-mail down time. Oh yeah, and I don't want an appliance that I can't customize either (*ahem* I-Opener)
3. I'm a budding young MCSE who wants to set up an Active Directory for study. I've got my primary machine as the DC, but I need to clients to work with. Voila!
Just some ideas. Of course, #3 is unlikely to subscribe to the Click-n-Run, which will piss off the Lindows peeps.
Let us not forget the $99 membership to the Click-n-Run warehouse. Without it, it takes away from the appeal of Lindows.
That is how partially how Walmart sells a $299. They almost automatically are gaurenteed another $99 upon booting the thing up. What newbie can live without the Click-n-Run Warehouse? Or maybe they just have really good source code compiling instructions?
Anyone who bitches about the open registration is also a troll.
There are a lot of products out there, especially when you consider old products since the beginning of barcoding.
It wouldn't be good practice to reuse old numbers just like it would be good to reuse dead Social Security numbers.
The NY Times doesn't get Slashdotted. Well, it might if everyone who posted here read the articles ;)
> It makes a lot more sense if there's plans for IBM to buy VA - in a M$/Hotmail sorta way.
Now that idea has some potential, and I believe IBM wouldn't trash it like MS did to Hotmail either. I think they would respect its design. Sure, they throw some ads for eServers and such in there, but the core would remain.
Corporate Troll, are you being insightful.
IT is a DEAD INDUSTRY. Admit it now and it will make your life easier. Pack up your talents and try something else. Be an entrepreneur or go back to school and learn a trade.
For those of you who have jobs and disagree with me, wait until your company catches up and fires your ass (which you can then whipe with your stock options).
> At the end of the day, did you end up holding something in your hand?
;)
What about stock options?
> and al of them agree: It looked better from the outside. They too work unreasonable hours and can't take vacations and work always comes home with them...
I have no doubt in my mind that this is true and it is a lot of hard work, but at least they have jobs/careers. It costs money to make money. I would love to become an *successful* entrepreneur, but you can't do it on pennies anymore.
I've tried two businesses (both, unfortunately in IT), and both have failed. Perhaps that means I am a bad business manager. Perhaps that's just a fact of life - most entrepreneurs have a few failures before they hit the money maker. Either way, I don't have the cash to keep trying and I can't get a job to boot.
1 - This is only temporary. Recessions come and go, and so this one shall pass in time. There will be another "boom," though a more realistic one, in the future.
I'm glad that help you sleep at night, but let's face it - IT is a dead industry. Companies are realizing they don't need that much IT, and qulified people are going to hang onto their jobs. Entry level people are SCREWED, as all companies are looking for experience.
Knowing how to use a computer is like being able to drive an automobile in the early 1900's - a rare skill. Since everyone is expected to know computers these days, just like driving, we are all useless.
I, too, am sad about my wasted time at college. I'm trying to change all that, but I could have had 4 years of experience right now (which is what employers really want) instead of 4-years of worthless courses and a piece of paper valuable only as ass-wipe.
This is the wrong damn place to complain about having an IT job.
Most of us would trade our left nut (or ovary) for a company to give us a chance. I've been looking for a job for 10 months, and I know I'm not alone.
I think Intel would be more happy to work with Apple and their unique desires that Motorola is. Apple seems like a side job on Motorola's plate, whereas Intel has been looking to become less dependent on Windows PCs. Plus, Intel doesn't seem to care where it sells its CPUs to as long as they sell.
I think a company like WorldCom would be happy to snatch him up and pay him whatever he wants to be their "reform mascott".
> I had to walk to the computer each time to do something because the phone and computer were in different rooms.
God this bothers the hell out of me. I'm trying to fix your problem and I have to wait while you walk back and forth and try to describe what you remember from the screen. Then between each click of the mouse you have to do the walk.
If you can afford a computer you can afford a fucking cordless phone. Live in the now, you'll like it.
I very much enjoyed JSP, Servlets, and MySQL published by Wiley, although I think it dicusses Tomcat 3. They also have a MySQL/PHP Database Applications book. I found the JSP book very good for someone who has familiarity with other server-side scripting languages but hasn't dabbled much with Java technologies.
Ok, I've heard everybody mention the fact that Linux is free and that is why the numbers are low. I've heard others rebut the fact that not everybody sees Linux as free because it costs money in your average retail store. However...
1. I would dare to say the majority of Linux installs is of free ISOs (sorry, no evidence), which would still affect the low sales figure dramatically.
2. For those who use dialup and wish to purchase Linux, most distributions can be found for $5 or less, also contributing to low sales figures.
Also, do we know what "linux sales down" means? Does it mean retail purchases or anytime someone shells out money for Linux? What about expensive systems where a vendor version of Linux is included?
For example, if I buy a Sun Cobalt RAQ server right now, I get a nice server with Cobalt Linux installed on it. Sun has sold me the system and included a version of Linux with the sale of the system. Did the study give a dollar value to the Linux OS that was sold with my server in this case? I doubt it. There are a helluva lot of web hosting providers that use RAQs.
What about embedded devices?
> It hasn't occured to any of you that many people don't have broadband and therefore prefer to actually buy the product instead of downloading it for weeks?
This seem irrelevent to the issue. I think most people are suggesting that the fact that it is free will serious erode its sales (but as you say, not all sales). Additionally, the fact that you can BUY most distributions of Linux for $5 or less also contributes to its trailing dollars...