I'm equating a political philosophy that exists in a realm of purest fantasy to a scam dressed as a "religion/mind control cult" (oh, but I repeat myself!) that also exists in a realm of purest fantasy.
Libertarianism believes in the fantasy they will succeed only when the Perfect Libertarian Man (and Woman) have evolved. Until then, the Libertarian Ideal of selfish behavior and "I got mine, so FUCK YOU!" must remain the basic driving philosophy behind, well, selfish bastards, the GOP and the Libertarian Party.
Here's an example of Libertarian Fantasy. Being on the waiting list for a video from the public library, "It reminds me of Soviet breadlines."
Oh, here's another choice comment from that same article about public libraries:
Public libraries, as institutions that destroy value, destroy in some small way our ability to live our lives to the fullest. They represent houses of death and should be spat upon and cursed in the most creative language possible.
I reiterate, Libertarianism: The Scientology of Politics. Both are fantasies that cater to a juvenile mindset, eager to believe the most absurd fantasies. Except that Scientology figured out a way to make a profit from those fantasies.
"Looks to me like a standard iTunes update. Crashing and breaking things left and right [macfixit.com] both on the Mac and PC. Lots of other reported problems besides the BSOD. Apple hasn't been having much luck (or skill) with either iTunes or Quicktime of late. Both programs have problemmatic (sic) updates (see previous link for morbid details if you're interested)."
Running 10.5.4 (ppc) here on my somewhat elderly 1.42 Ghz Dual Processor FW800 Mac.
New QuickTime and iTunes running flawlessly. No crashes, no freezes, so far, they've played every media file I've thrown at them.
I don't know what either you or macfixit have been experiencing, but MY Mac is giving me 0 problems, vis a vis QT and iTunes 8.
1. If it works for me, it should never be changed.
I never said that, nor implied that. What YOU infer is your problem.
2. What I do only affects myself.
What I do, regarding what digital hardware/software I choose to purchase and use in my home, indeed only affects myself. How does my choice to use Mac OS and iTunes do ANYTHING to you or anyone else in any way shape or form?
3. Linux people live in shell
Yes, they do. A shell, apparently, where constantly tweaking and screwing with software to get it to work is preferable to actually, you know, getting things done.
4. Whatever child does should never be done by grown-up.
Like shitting all over the floor or disrupting the Genius Bar, knowing it'll have no effect whatsoever on Apple's policies, and acting like it's something positive and helpful.
Lets drill in
1. What we have are people who are trying to make the world a better place (at least in long term).
In YOUR opinion. In your opinion, harassing low level workers and making life miserable for others, just because YOU don't like the choices Apple has made, pretty much invalidates any other related opinions.
2. This is wrong, I am afraid. If everybody buys Dell computers (lot of "I choose to buy Dell"), there will be no Apple computers. Same with the proprietary hardware and software - you choose to vote with your dollars (although you don't care) and other get to suffer.
Versus your "Why are you SO STUPID? Listen to MEEEEE! I know what's BEST FOR YOU, you FUCKING MORON! Do what I tell you, DO IT! DO IT DO IT DO IT!" attitude. Good luck with that, smelly linux hippie. I can't begin to grasp how MY choice to buy Apple can possibly make anyone else suffer, unless it's the smelly linux hippies like you. In that case, Monday morning, I'm at the new Apple Store on Boylston Street buying a new top of the line Mac Pro. I will then chill my balls in a gravy boat filled with your bitter, bitter tears of agony!
3. Compile binaries and update RPM? Why would I compile anything if I have RPM? Ignorance is you stronghold I guess.
"I'm Steve, and I'm a supervillain!"
4. Grown-ups are like kids, only less expressive and more refined. And for a good reason as well. For example, if somebody would steal a laptop from me, I would use my voice to inform other people around me of presence of the thief, thus increasing my chances of getting my laptop back (should anybody help me with this task), this could also benefit the society as well (for the thief would be isolated and wouldn't harm others), not only me. But I guess you would just call me a crybaby.
Equating a thief stealing your laptop with Apple not including Ogg Vorbis on the iPod/iPhone is, prima facie, evidence of some wacky logic processes going on in your head. Or you're just retarded.
"I'll take 'retarded smelly linux hippie' for 500, Alex!"
"In whole, I guess you have complete disregard for others."
No, just retarded smelly linux hippies like you. Oh, wait, I also have complete disregard for Republicans, Libertarians, Ballmer, Microsoft Bob, John McCain, RMS, FSF, David Hasselhoff, Criss Angel, Dog the Bounty Hunter, that hollering asshole on TV who wants me to buy Miracle Putty, Brittney Spears, Madonna, whoever Madonna is fucking today, and people who don't seed enough Japanese schoolgirl tentacle rape bondage hentai anime on BitTorrent. I REALLY completely disregard THOSE selfish motherfuckers!
"By the way, as a costumer, all other things equal, why would you choose proprietary device/software over free one?"
WOW! As a costumer, I sure would like free patterns and fabric and threads! Boy Howdy!
However, as a consumer, maybe a proprietary device or application I want works with no smelly linux hippie bullshit.
My ancient iPod plays MP3 files JUST FUCKING FINE! I don't give two tugs of a dead dog's cock about your fucking OGG VORBIS codec. And frankly, neither do the vast majority of people who use the iPod or any other MP3 player.
If I choose to buy something from the iTunes Store, then it's MY choice to FREELY do so, and that choice doesn't affect you or harm YOU or impinge on YOUR freedom and YOUR free choices in hardware or software in any way shape or form.
The implication that YOU know what's better for me than I do is just another example of the smelly linux hippie bullshit that Stallman and FSF have been peddling for years.
I plug my ancient iPod into my Mac, and everything syncs up without a single problem. I don't have to config it. And then have to write some shell scripts. Update my RPMs. Or have to partition my drives. And patch the kernel. And compile my binaries or check my version dependencies.
It works without that bullshit. As does pretty much every other Mac application I use.
Apple did not design the MAC OS for you!
You are not the target audience for MAC OS.
You have NEVER been the target audience for MAC OS.
You will NEVER be the target audience for MAC OS.
SO go jerk off on your fucking penguin.
Again!
The grownups grow weary of your "LOOK AT ME! WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!" bullshit childish tantrums.
YEARS ago, in the dawning age of the local BBS scene in Rhode Island, one board had a special user moderation, for a single user.
The troll could post to it's heart's content, and it was the only person who would see its comments. No one else even knew the troll was posting anything.
Watching its frustration levels rise because no one was responding was quite entertaining.
Yep, same here, save that I'm using an Apple Extended Keyboard, the original.
There's an application, Keyboard Maestro, that really lets you get down and dirty when it comes to remapping keys and adding keyboard macros.
So my Extended has volume control keys, as well as eject for both optical drives, browser reload, and the insanely complex online banking password.
Coupled with USB Overdrive, and the Preference Pane for the Griffin PowerMate, anything that makes noise (QuickTime, VLC, iTunes) can have it's volume controlled from the scrollwheel or PowerMate, as well as the keyboard.
"Because I don't like the 'typing on oatmeal' response of tactile keyboards?"
Personally, I compare it to poking at a slab of Silly Putty.
You know what's sad? That the keyboards that come with modern PCs have WORSE feeling keyboards than the keyboard in my Commodore 128!
I tried the new Apple Aluminum keyboard recently. It's awful! Absolutely unusable!
I'll keep on using my 20+ year old Apple Extended Keyboard. If it ever fails, (unlikely, I know) I do have 5 or 6 more in the closet, all gleaned from Goodwill/Thrift shops in Boston/Cambridge, all for US$1.00 - US$3.00 each.
"On a side note, it's funny that there have been no Mac trolls so far:)"
Why would we troll a thread about an exceptionally good keyboard? We can recognize fine engineering and quality components, and appreciate them.
Myself, I'm using a 20 + year old Apple Extended Keyboard on my dual processor G4. Had to buy a Griffin iMate ADB to USB interface. Well worth it to keep using the Extended!
The Extended is, in essence, the Apple "M" keyboard, sans the steel top and bottom.
I've had the pleasure of using an "M" several times, and it's a fine keyboard.
If I ever set up an X86 machine for Linux or MAME, there WILL BE an "M" attached to it!
...it's #1 a monorail. #2, it doesn't HAVE TO RUN at ground level.
You don't HAVE TO lay a set of steel rails at ground level, nor do you have to deal with right of way/eminent domain, etc, not when you have a nice long straight highway with a median strip or alongside the highway stretching across the desert all the way to Las Vegas.
The most difficult construction aspect is in Anaheim and Vegas. Right of way will be difficult, but not impossible.
The Rocky Mountains will prove problematical. Throw enough engineers and money and that problem is solved.
Practically every "It Can't Be Done!" engineering problem, WAS done.
Myself, I use a 22 year old Apple Extended Keyboard, via the Griffin iMate ADB to USB adaptor, on my 1.42 Ghz G4 Dual Processor PowerMac, running Mac OS X 10.5.3.
I have had exactly ZERO problems with this arrangement.
After using the Extended for all these years, today's "modern" keyboards all feel like I'm poking at slab of Silly Putty.
As for the commentor who likes having volume control keys, well, my 22 year old keyboard has them as well. COMMAND-ARROW works in just about every app that has a sound function. Although, as I use a Mac, I have used USB Overdrive to map the volume control in ALL my media players to the scrollwheel in my mouse and to the Griffin PowerMate rotary controller. Also, tapping the PowerMate mutes in all my media applications.
My keyboard has 16 function keys, via Keyboard Maestro I have some of them programmed for use in individual applications.
So, for the cost of an ADB to USB interface found on eBay and some shareware fees, my ancient keyboard (which, by the way, works as perfectly as the day it shipped from the assembly line) has all the functionallity of these new "keyswitch"/"buckling spring" keyboards with their "media keys" and "eject keys" have two DVD drives in my Mac. F12 works the top drive, OPTION-F12 works the bottom drive. Those are my "eject keys".
I have 6 more Apple Extendeds in the closet, all from Goodwill/Salvation Army. All of them work perfectly.
As long as there are ADB to USB interfaces, I'll be using an Extended on the Macintosh.
And to all my nerd brothers and sisters still using "M" keyboards (and Extended/Extended II, of course), I stand in solidarity with you!
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I'm equating a political philosophy that exists in a realm of purest fantasy to a scam dressed as a "religion/mind control cult" (oh, but I repeat myself!) that also exists in a realm of purest fantasy.
Libertarianism believes in the fantasy they will succeed only when the Perfect Libertarian Man (and Woman) have evolved. Until then, the Libertarian Ideal of selfish behavior and "I got mine, so FUCK YOU!" must remain the basic driving philosophy behind, well, selfish bastards, the GOP and the Libertarian Party.
Here's an example of Libertarian Fantasy . Being on the waiting list for a video from the public library, "It reminds me of Soviet breadlines."
Oh, here's another choice comment from that same article about public libraries:
I reiterate, Libertarianism: The Scientology of Politics. Both are fantasies that cater to a juvenile mindset, eager to believe the most absurd fantasies. Except that Scientology figured out a way to make a profit from those fantasies.
Unlike Libertarianism.
Ah, for the good old days when ASCII was ASCII, and not some bastardized mutant with fuckall extensions.
The air is thick with the stench of Randroid droppings.
Libertarianism: The Scientology of Politics.
"I'm trapped on Gilligan's Island, but I'm not paying ANY INCOME TAXES!!!"
Mary Ayn Rand
How many iPods have been sold since Day One? How many not iPod cheap hunks of Chinese plastic crap have been sold?
How many songs, TV shows, Movies, et have been sold/rented by the iTunes Store? Napster? Rhapsody? Microsoft? Yahoo?
How many white earbuds do you see every day, vs. not white earbuds?
Sit down, shut up, and welcome your new, Jonathan Ive designed overlords!
"I still have better things to do with my time."
If you're reading and commenting on /., no, you don't have better things to do with your time.
Major Fail.
"Looks to me like a standard iTunes update. Crashing and breaking things left and right [macfixit.com] both on the Mac and PC. Lots of other reported problems besides the BSOD. Apple hasn't been having much luck (or skill) with either iTunes or Quicktime of late. Both programs have problemmatic (sic) updates (see previous link for morbid details if you're interested)."
Running 10.5.4 (ppc) here on my somewhat elderly 1.42 Ghz Dual Processor FW800 Mac.
New QuickTime and iTunes running flawlessly. No crashes, no freezes, so far, they've played every media file I've thrown at them.
I don't know what either you or macfixit have been experiencing, but MY Mac is giving me 0 problems, vis a vis QT and iTunes 8.
"I will conceed its not clearn to non-experts. "
Sounds like a perfectly cromulent word to me.
"If they seize a crate of ladies' stockings, bank plans, and a toy gun from your car outside a bank, that's reasonable."
Not if I'm a Costco member crossdressing bank architect with a supersoaker fetish, it isn't!
" The GOP is living proof that, if not bound by troublesome concepts like fairness, freedom, and morality,... "
Fixed your typo.
HTH!
HAND!
It's what men CRAVE!
1. If it works for me, it should never be changed.
I never said that, nor implied that. What YOU infer is your problem.
2. What I do only affects myself.
What I do, regarding what digital hardware/software I choose to purchase and use in my home, indeed only affects myself. How does my choice to use Mac OS and iTunes do ANYTHING to you or anyone else in any way shape or form?
3. Linux people live in shell
Yes, they do. A shell, apparently, where constantly tweaking and screwing with software to get it to work is preferable to actually, you know, getting things done.
4. Whatever child does should never be done by grown-up.
Like shitting all over the floor or disrupting the Genius Bar, knowing it'll have no effect whatsoever on Apple's policies, and acting like it's something positive and helpful.
Lets drill in
1. What we have are people who are trying to make the world a better place (at least in long term).
In YOUR opinion. In your opinion, harassing low level workers and making life miserable for others, just because YOU don't like the choices Apple has made, pretty much invalidates any other related opinions.
2. This is wrong, I am afraid. If everybody buys Dell computers (lot of "I choose to buy Dell"), there will be no Apple computers. Same with the proprietary hardware and software - you choose to vote with your dollars (although you don't care) and other get to suffer.
Versus your "Why are you SO STUPID? Listen to MEEEEE! I know what's BEST FOR YOU, you FUCKING MORON! Do what I tell you, DO IT! DO IT DO IT DO IT!" attitude. Good luck with that, smelly linux hippie. I can't begin to grasp how MY choice to buy Apple can possibly make anyone else suffer, unless it's the smelly linux hippies like you. In that case, Monday morning, I'm at the new Apple Store on Boylston Street buying a new top of the line Mac Pro. I will then chill my balls in a gravy boat filled with your bitter, bitter tears of agony!
3. Compile binaries and update RPM? Why would I compile anything if I have RPM? Ignorance is you stronghold I guess.
"I'm Steve, and I'm a supervillain!"
4. Grown-ups are like kids, only less expressive and more refined. And for a good reason as well. For example, if somebody would steal a laptop from me, I would use my voice to inform other people around me of presence of the thief, thus increasing my chances of getting my laptop back (should anybody help me with this task), this could also benefit the society as well (for the thief would be isolated and wouldn't harm others), not only me. But I guess you would just call me a crybaby.
Equating a thief stealing your laptop with Apple not including Ogg Vorbis on the iPod/iPhone is, prima facie, evidence of some wacky logic processes going on in your head. Or you're just retarded.
"I'll take 'retarded smelly linux hippie' for 500, Alex!"
"In whole, I guess you have complete disregard for others."
No, just retarded smelly linux hippies like you. Oh, wait, I also have complete disregard for Republicans, Libertarians, Ballmer, Microsoft Bob, John McCain, RMS, FSF, David Hasselhoff, Criss Angel, Dog the Bounty Hunter, that hollering asshole on TV who wants me to buy Miracle Putty, Brittney Spears, Madonna, whoever Madonna is fucking today, and people who don't seed enough Japanese schoolgirl tentacle rape bondage hentai anime on BitTorrent. I REALLY completely disregard THOSE selfish motherfuckers!
KGIII, glad you liked it.
Sometimes, one must let the Inner SubGenius take over and indulge in an arm waving, spittle flying rant.
As for being modded as a troll, wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.
"By the way, as a costumer, all other things equal, why would you choose proprietary device/software over free one?"
WOW! As a costumer, I sure would like free patterns and fabric and threads! Boy Howdy!
However, as a consumer, maybe a proprietary device or application I want works with no smelly linux hippie bullshit.
My ancient iPod plays MP3 files JUST FUCKING FINE! I don't give two tugs of a dead dog's cock about your fucking OGG VORBIS codec. And frankly, neither do the vast majority of people who use the iPod or any other MP3 player.
If I choose to buy something from the iTunes Store, then it's MY choice to FREELY do so, and that choice doesn't affect you or harm YOU or impinge on YOUR freedom and YOUR free choices in hardware or software in any way shape or form.
The implication that YOU know what's better for me than I do is just another example of the smelly linux hippie bullshit that Stallman and FSF have been peddling for years.
I plug my ancient iPod into my Mac, and everything syncs up without a single problem. I don't have to config it. And then have to write some shell scripts. Update my RPMs. Or have to partition my drives. And patch the kernel. And compile my binaries or check my version dependencies.
It works without that bullshit. As does pretty much every other Mac application I use.
Apple did not design the MAC OS for you!
You are not the target audience for MAC OS.
You have NEVER been the target audience for MAC OS.
You will NEVER be the target audience for MAC OS.
SO go jerk off on your fucking penguin.
Again!
The grownups grow weary of your "LOOK AT ME! WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!" bullshit childish tantrums.
"Equating Libertarianism to greed is a bit like equating free speech to hate speech."
As opposed to a Libertarian equating a waiting list for a movie from the public library to a Stalin-era Soviet Union breadline ?
YEARS ago, in the dawning age of the local BBS scene in Rhode Island, one board had a special user moderation, for a single user.
The troll could post to it's heart's content, and it was the only person who would see its comments. No one else even knew the troll was posting anything.
Watching its frustration levels rise because no one was responding was quite entertaining.
Oh, I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
RE: Anti-Mac fanboys. I've always felt there should some extra moderation labels:
"Linux Bigot"
"Windows Bigot"
"Mac Enthusiast"
What, me biased? Unpossible!
Yep, same here, save that I'm using an Apple Extended Keyboard, the original.
There's an application, Keyboard Maestro , that really lets you get down and dirty when it comes to remapping keys and adding keyboard macros.
So my Extended has volume control keys, as well as eject for both optical drives, browser reload, and the insanely complex online banking password.
Coupled with USB Overdrive , and the Preference Pane for the Griffin PowerMate, anything that makes noise (QuickTime, VLC, iTunes) can have it's volume controlled from the scrollwheel or PowerMate, as well as the keyboard.
The Apple Extendeds. Best. Keyboards. EVAR!
"Because I don't like the 'typing on oatmeal' response of tactile keyboards?"
Personally, I compare it to poking at a slab of Silly Putty.
You know what's sad? That the keyboards that come with modern PCs have WORSE feeling keyboards than the keyboard in my Commodore 128!
I tried the new Apple Aluminum keyboard recently. It's awful! Absolutely unusable!
I'll keep on using my 20+ year old Apple Extended Keyboard. If it ever fails, (unlikely, I know) I do have 5 or 6 more in the closet, all gleaned from Goodwill/Thrift shops in Boston/Cambridge, all for US$1.00 - US$3.00 each.
"On a side note, it's funny that there have been no Mac trolls so far :)"
Why would we troll a thread about an exceptionally good keyboard? We can recognize fine engineering and quality components, and appreciate them.
Myself, I'm using a 20 + year old Apple Extended Keyboard on my dual processor G4. Had to buy a Griffin iMate ADB to USB interface. Well worth it to keep using the Extended!
The Extended is, in essence, the Apple "M" keyboard, sans the steel top and bottom.
I've had the pleasure of using an "M" several times, and it's a fine keyboard.
If I ever set up an X86 machine for Linux or MAME, there WILL BE an "M" attached to it!
Learn from The Mighty MONARCH!
The Monarch says he has "the LiveJournal"
Therefore, The MySpace, the Facebook, The Google, etc, etc, etc.
...it's #1 a monorail. #2, it doesn't HAVE TO RUN at ground level.
You don't HAVE TO lay a set of steel rails at ground level, nor do you have to deal with right of way/eminent domain, etc, not when you have a nice long straight highway with a median strip or alongside the highway stretching across the desert all the way to Las Vegas.
The most difficult construction aspect is in Anaheim and Vegas. Right of way will be difficult, but not impossible.
The Rocky Mountains will prove problematical. Throw enough engineers and money and that problem is solved.
Practically every "It Can't Be Done!" engineering problem, WAS done.
You just have to decide to do it.
Myself, I use a 22 year old Apple Extended Keyboard, via the Griffin iMate ADB to USB adaptor, on my 1.42 Ghz G4 Dual Processor PowerMac, running Mac OS X 10.5.3.
I have had exactly ZERO problems with this arrangement.
After using the Extended for all these years, today's "modern" keyboards all feel like I'm poking at slab of Silly Putty.
As for the commentor who likes having volume control keys, well, my 22 year old keyboard has them as well. COMMAND-ARROW works in just about every app that has a sound function. Although, as I use a Mac, I have used USB Overdrive to map the volume control in ALL my media players to the scrollwheel in my mouse and to the Griffin PowerMate rotary controller. Also, tapping the PowerMate mutes in all my media applications.
My keyboard has 16 function keys, via Keyboard Maestro I have some of them programmed for use in individual applications.
So, for the cost of an ADB to USB interface found on eBay and some shareware fees, my ancient keyboard (which, by the way, works as perfectly as the day it shipped from the assembly line) has all the functionallity of these new "keyswitch"/"buckling spring" keyboards with their "media keys" and "eject keys" have two DVD drives in my Mac. F12 works the top drive, OPTION-F12 works the bottom drive. Those are my "eject keys".
I have 6 more Apple Extendeds in the closet, all from Goodwill/Salvation Army. All of them work perfectly.
As long as there are ADB to USB interfaces, I'll be using an Extended on the Macintosh.
And to all my nerd brothers and sisters still using "M" keyboards (and Extended/Extended II, of course), I stand in solidarity with you!
I bow thrice in thy honored direction osensei!
We have much to learn from such a high geek Master such as yourself!
In my own case, when I sell the used DVDs I no longer want, I buy MORE used DVDs.