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ITunes 8 a Real Killer App; Taking Down Vista
CWmike writes "Apple 's latest version of iTunes crashes Windows Vista when an iPod or iPhone is connected to the PC, scores of users have reported on Apple's support forum. Plug in and Vista crashes and shows the 'blue screen of death.' The errors began showing up immediately after updating iTunes to Version 8.0, which Apple released Tuesday as part of its iPod refresh. 'I just installed iTunes 8 over my iTunes 7 on Vista [and] now whenever I plug in my iPod, I get a blue screen death. Three times so far. Even if it is plugged in on boot, I get a blue screen," said a user identified as 'sambeckett' on the support forum about 90 minutes after Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrapped up the iPod launch."
Expect Apple to blame Vista.
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- E. Debs
Yay!! I was getting worried I was never going to see the BSOD again.. Welcome back old friend
It's not Window's fault.
I thought you were going to say that Vista was causing the iPod metal shell to become highly charged and was responsible for electrocutions.
After all, Vista kills babies!
That really IS horrible. I did not know that anyone was actually using Vista. - Steve J.
That this wasn't caught in the testing stages?
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What are the chances your 1,000 songs are also gone when you start your computer back up after it's done crying for mercy? I still haven't reloaded mine from the last time iTunes crashed windows. :(
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iTunes ain't done, 'til Vista don't run!
It really seems that causing a BSoD is something that would have come up in testing, no?
Anything you say will be held against you.
well is it Apples fault OR is it MS Vista that has the problem . Apple would have debugged it on a vista box , But it is posable that a vista update killed it .By mistake or on purpose ,your guess is as good as mine.
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This sounds like a feature, not a bug.
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You know, it seems like there are an awful lot of problems with drivers under Vista. Certainly far more problems than I've seen on Vista.
The thing that bothers me about that is the change in driver architecture was billed as a way to make Vista faster and more stable. Why, then, is it that most of the drivers for Vista are less stable and slower than the same hardware running in XP?
It's been a long time.
"iTunes has detected illegal music files. Now trashing your computer . . . please wait for the lawyers to show up."
No good deed goes unpunished. - Avon, Blake's 7
With Apple slamming Vista at every opportunity, those who combine the two are surely asking for trouble.
Of course, the next time an Apple exec tries to slam Vista, they might want to ensure they can actually write good software themselves before commenting on it.
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AFAIK the only thing that can cause a BSOD is code running in the kernel space, ring 0.
Quite why iTunes affects stuff that runs in kernel space is another matter... but I suspect it's probably to do with the Protected Media Path stuff. DRM, in other words. I can't think of anything in iTunes that should be running in kernel space - in Vista, all drivers apart from a component of the graphics driver are supposed to run in userspace.
Does anyone find the humor in the fact that Apple and Windows are not playing well together???
love the taste, hate the texture
How can an operating system be so stupidly written that what should be a user application can bring down the entire thing? What is iTunes doing that needs to run at a privileged level?
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
"Wow PC, it looks like your Vista users are really having headaches running great software like iTunes 8. Mac runs them just fine."
"You son of a bitch." (Pulls out a gun)
"Whoa PC, whoa, let's not..."
BLAM.
I had to switch from Ubuntu to check, but iTunes 8 with my iPod is definitely not crashing my Vista Ultimate (free from school, I only keep it because of software for class that requires windows)
This happened to me... I read the Apple thread, and followed simple instructions... unplugged my HP printer, and it stopped the BSOD's when I plugged in my iPhone. Most people are saying the problem is with the Apple USB drivers screwing with the drivers for HP printers and Logitech mice/keyboards. There may be other devices that cause the problem as well, but those two are the biggies.
So until iTunes 8.1 is released, I can either charge my phone or print... but not both at the same time!
Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
I went to RTFA. Before it showed me the article, though, I got a page that asked, "What are you waiting for? Make the move to Microsoft Vista with confidence."
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"iTunes ain't done 'til Vista won't run"
Let the blame fall where it will
I'm on Vista 64 ultimate and no BSOD here with the iPhone.
My speakers makes a wierd sort of distorted gurgling sound when the phone is connected, and then the phone does it's characteristic beep. But no BSOD.
Vista ain't done, till iTunes won't run.
Where did I hear that before?
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Personally, I blame Linux.
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Wow, and here I was thinking it's time to upgrade the media center from that elderly, barely supported (but solid) XP Media Center Edition, to Vista. 26 gigs of music, and no way to get it on our ipods... Yeesh. Oh, I know it'll be fixed, but stories like this give me chills.
Upon re-reading that, it sounded like I'm dissing Microsoft. Not really, just prudently waiting for these kinds of issues to settle -- no matter who's fault they are -- before thinking about upgrading. By then, the CPU upgrade necessary to run Vista should be really cheap. :-)
This is off topic, but I have to say it: I may have to turn in my Linux geek hat for saying this, but I've been running XP Media Center Edition 2005 since it came out, under heavy daily use, and have not had a single bluescreen of death. Not one. (Nobody is more surprised than me. :-))
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
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After all, software and OS manufacturers never ever cause any problems, so it must be the hardware manufacturer.
Plus, it will certainly not be included in the warranty.
(caveat - we got rid of our Vista machines)
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Geesh the last three versions were bloated to the heavens. I think it takes about a minute to start now. A least few recent versions flat out crashed or did not update correctly. And is there any piece of application software that takes more time to update than iTunes? I don't think so.
ITunes for Windows is one of the all-time worst programs I've /ever/ installed on a PC. QuickTime botches several file formats in browsers, most notably TIFF. It's a resource hog. It launches all sorts of crap at startup; if you disable the crap, ITunes will re-enable the crap the next time it's launched. It's bloated; ITunes really doesn't need to include a freakin' browser and QTime.
It's a horrible, horrible PoS.
It's a new vista theme pack that comes with iTunes.
Can I bum a sig?
...but what if Apple pulled a Microsoft and put an intentional bug into the app? Sure, it might seem a little too sophisticated for such a small thing, and people will still blame iTunes since it's the main application, but what if tomorrow Steve releases a press release apologizing to Vista users but blames it squarely on Vista "oh sorry something in our new version invoked a buggy piece of vista and we had to work around it." And what if that's what all the support people at apple are instructed to say? What if friends down the street say "oh dude I have a Mac/XP and it works fine for me" might iPod users say "fuckin' vista!" With a little careful preparation, I think this might be possible... maybe only a little bit of a stretch? :)
Sounds a little conspiracy theory-ish, but keep an eye out the next couple of days. You never know.
I am a mac fan, but I don't put evil past Apple by any means, they are a corporation after all. At the same time, evil attacking evil is loads of fun to watch, but I pity the people who get caught in the middle who can't sync now until a fix is released.
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Running, Vista x64, iTunes 8, with an iPhone 3G. No problems so far.
It's always seemed to me that iTunes for Windows was just slapdash kludge for allowing compatibility between iPods and Windows. My experiences with it have been nothing but buggy and slooooooow. Honestly, I think it just needs to be rebuilt from the ground up for Windows.
In other news 1000 Ubuntu users running under WINE without whining.
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Damn...and here I am wishing I still I had my mod-points. That's fracking hilarious.
The tags right now are [+] bug, media, music, windows, haha (tagging beta)
Odd that Apple, iPod, and iTunes aren't tags for a story about a bug in their software?
Vista sucks for not encapsulating the exception, but it sure sounds like the bug is on Apple's side of the issue.
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That's what happens when you code behind closed door... Death to the infidels!!
Some evil little wabbit is at fault, I'm sure!
I say that, not because of the code, but because of what itunes 8 is, it's Apple installing some more DRM to close a hole someone found, apple hates DRM, but then amazingly it spends a huge amount of effort maintaining it. Has anyone seen the NBC shows back on iTunes, they're CHEAPER than before, so turns out, Apple was inflating the price, not nbc. Just seems like apple screws you at every opportunity.
Wow PC, it looks like your Vista users are really having headaches running
like iTunes 8. Mac runs them
"GREAT" software. "JUST" fine. when they exaggerate using such words, i really go nuts. if you ask them to define what technically running "fine" on a computer means, they would start blabbering. but still use the word anyways.
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Itunes in past has:
- deleted your legit music
- Unstalled othe mac applications without asking you
- Hijacked volume control from windows
- Modified code specifically to make it hard to work with the ipod outside of itunes
- Is the largest pusher of DRM technology
Really a BSOD isn't that big of a deal. And incase you are curious NO it isn't windows fault. Why is a music player installing drivers overtop of standard drivers that work perfectly? Aside from their hatred of doing things the same even when they are better only jobs knows. If windows tried to pull even half the bullship Apple has they would have been sued into dust. I find it disgusting its ok since its mac.
On-topic enought to tell here: My computer won't even boot with an iPod attached. Might be just the shuffle, but I think having my old mini connected is a no-no, too. Won't even go past the BIOS screen, it hangs before the pseudo memory check at POST.
Sometimes I don't even get an image on the screen, I think because it hangs too fast for the monitor too sync. I found this out the (very) hard way: Computer didn't boot, no image on screen, seemingly for no reason, so I did what I had to do, basic troubleshooting. Remove power cord and reconnect after a while, didn't do anything. So I started tearing out extension cards, disconnecting hard drives, removing RAM chips. Had pretty much the whole thing disassembled, short of removing the CPU (because removing the HSF is such a PITA). Erased the BIOS using a paperclip, nothing. Only then did I notice, by accident, that some USB devices, including the iPod, were still attached. Disconnected them, and the system booted fine. WTF.
The whole thing is so strange that I promptly forgot about it and repeated the whole procedure half a year later. Doh!
Note that everything works fine once the POST is done, I bet I could even boot of of it if I wanted to, and I can use them in Linux or Windows just fine. So really just a minor inconvenience, albeit a very odd one. (I blame my motherboard, BTW, not the iPod.)
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I just crashed Vista Business when I connected the iPhone to the computer with iTunes 8. I restarted and it has worked fine. Had this article come up 10 minutes earlier, I wouldn't be updating this iPhone right now!
If I had points (and hadn't commented already like crazy) I'd mod you up here.
DRM almost always doesn't need to (and does not) run in kernelspace. It's userland encryption.
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is the iPod refresh braces for backlash
iTunes is a hog on Windows. On a 3ghz Quad core it will use 25% cpu just resizing the window. It cranks up to 95MB memory usage just after opening. It's slower to open than any other app I have.
It stopped recognizing my iPod (documented in Apple forums - a USB driver issue) after one of the 7.x updates. A bug Apple never fixed.
Apple wants their Windows software to be second rate compared to the Mac versions. Bugs, crashes, inefficiency -- ignored.
Even Microsoft doesn't have the money for both a sufficient QA department *and* Seinfeld. I guess they figured that at least Seinfeld would make everyone laugh, as the ship sinks.
Unless they come to my house and compare the files on my computer with the CDs in my collection, there's no way they can tell what's legal and what isn't.
Uh... BRB I have to go lock some doors and turn out some lights.
Hahaha, awesome, actually made me laugh out loud.
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- E. Debs
Maybe we should figure out what the problem actually is before we blame anyone.
I didn't have this problem (I'm on XP) but I was smacked with a bunch of problems:
The Apple updater appears in Polish on my system. I have my "Language for non-Unicode programs" setting set to Polish (i.e. my system codepage is set to Polish) because I used to chat using a non-Unicode chat program that required it. Apple updater is literally the only other non-DOS program on my system that is non-Unicode.
The OK for the updater appears off the bottom of my screen on my 480p projector that I use as the display for my media center (852*480). Luckily you can pick a random control that is not off the bottom and hit Enter and it moves through the pages, but it's a bit scary to be pressing buttons you can't see. This is not the only program with this problem but it sure is annoying.
When Windows fonts are set to anything other than default size, the text fields in iTunes don't display correctly. For example my iPhone options are:
[] Automatically sync when this iPhone is conne...
[] Sync only checked song and vi...
[] Manually manage music and vi...
Luckily it's pretty obvious what they're supposed to say, but it's still a highschool programming error.
And of course you can only write to the iTunes database through iTunes - not through your favorite media manager (like MediaMonkey) since Apple changed the secret hashing system in firmware 2.0; so you're forced to use iTunes on your desktop.
The iPhone does rock - it too bad iTunes sucks so much.
To each, mine.
Well, after I installed iTunes 8 I didn't get BSOD, but iTunes wouldn't load, it just generated a generic error and I could cancel or debug. iTunes 7 worked great before, so fortunately I still had that download and was able to restore 7 after a bunch of Googling and trial and error. Several reboots later.. and probably a couple of hours of my time.. I had the old iTunes 7 up and running. I was eager to have something running as a badly needed iPhone update is due out tomorrow! Hopefully the Safari browser on iPhone won't crash as often. Getting tired of these iBugs!!
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Is the largest pusher of DRM technology
You're saying that Apple has shipped more copies of iTunes than Microsoft has shipped copies of Windows XP and Vista (or Windows Media Player 9 for earlier versions of Windows)? That Apple has shipped more copies of iTunes than all DVD players combined (worldwide!)?
Well, no, actually, I think you're pretty far off base with that one.
does it blend?
Is Hans Reiser coding media players now?
If iPods were simply accessible as a USB mass storage device, I don't think there would have been a problem.
From what I can see, Apple uses a proprietary device-type, so they can talk to it using an encrypted connection.
All that, simply to keep you from copying files you supposedly don't have the right to copy.
"I was in love with a beautiful blonde once, dear. She drove me to drink. It's the one thing I am indebted to her for."
said a user identified as 'sambeckett'
Oh boy!
HP Printer.
Drivers on windows can be troublesome. It would suprise me if usbaapl64.sys has some issue previously undiscovered.
This is fallout of shared component design MS uses.
Should Apple have tested with HP printers? Probably, but no one can test every configuration of a PC.
The USB set up MS is using is causing a fault in Ring 0. That's the only way I can see this causing a BSoD
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Given the bad rap that Vista is getting in the public eye, many Joe and Jane Sixpacks will be seeing this as just another in a long list of Vista problems rather than an Apple problem. "Crappy Vista can't can't run my old printer and now can't even run iTunes properly. My next PC is going to be a Mac. That way I can have a working system... and proper eye candy too!"
Sure Apple will fix the problem, but they can spin it nicely: "Gee we had to work around a Vista screwup AGAIN!"
... you're doing it wrong.
This has the smells of my old iPod Shuffle crashing the XP upon boot when connected--
To some, there was a time (and still on mine at least) where you can't boot up in Windows XP with a iPod shuffle hooked up.
For the life of me, I cannot have my shuffle plugged in at boot time--something hangs the system (USB boot somehow triggering it I think).
If you're running iTunes and Vista, your computer kinda deserves to crash.
And how long was it before Apple deleted sambeckett's post?
No problems here with iTunes on vista
Possible options...
1. Upgrade to XP.
2. Wait for iTunes 8.1 fix.
3. Use Floola (or something similar) instead of iTunes.
4. ???
5. Profit!
It crashed my iMac twice, also with iPod attached. Not sure about the exact steps to replicate, both crashes happened not immediately but after a while.
Mac: Hey PC, why are you looking so Blue(screen)?
PC: I haven't been the same since I installed iTunes. Crashing left and right.
Mac: Well, that's because your system is easily crashed by buggy software.
PC: Yes, but doesn't Apple(insert Euro symbol for the E) write iTunes?
Mac: Yeah, but....but......
PC: No so smug now, are you?
Works on my iMac...and if it didn't, only iTunes would crash and not OS X...bitches.
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Most computers have 2-4 USB plugs on the motherboard. Each one is split into two ports(more?) you can plug devices into.
Be sure your printer is on a different USB plug.
This is a power struggle between HP and Apple..I mean electrical power between the devices, not corporate power.
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Why would anyone use iTunes these days? It has been way too bloated for years now. Personally, I don't want to waste hundreds of megabytes of RAM for a music player. There are plenty of better free alternatives out there.
This is just Apple's ploy to get people to switch to a Mac... "oh look Vista sucks so much you can't even hook up an IPOD to it, you better buy a Mac or you wont ever be able to use you IPOD"
Apple would NEVER write any software that made Windows® look bad, would it?
He mixed Apple iTunes sloppy code with Microsoft Vista sloppy code.
That is why I don't use iTunes or Vista, both have sloppy code in them that cause crashed. When you cross both of them together you crash the system or at least cause it to lock up.
It is also why my G3 iMac was never upgraded to Mac OSX and still runs Mac OS9, because of Apple's sloppy code in OSX. If I convert it to a new OS it will either be Linux or AROS, because both of them are stable and being ported to the PowerPC platform or have a port already.
Apple "borrowed" a lot from Commodore, first it was the Vic-20 Commodore logo key copied as the Apple logo key on the Apple //e, then it was the Commodore Vic-20 and Commodore 64 compact design copied with the Apple //c, then it was the Amiga Workbench and co-processor support for 4096 colors and above with the Commodore Amiga in the Macintosh II (The Macintosh II was basically an Amiga 2000 rip-off after the Mr. Coffee Classic black and white Macintosh series was an epic fail), and then NeXT was an AmigaOS rip-off using BSD Unix (AmigaOS/AmigaDOS was based on the Unix-like TriPOS and Steve Jobs learned from his epic fail to use Unix as it is more like the Amiga to help make Next survive), Pixar ripped off the Newtek Video Toaster that Amigas had used (Steve Jobs saw how Amiga 2000s with the Video Toaster did great desktop video for movies and wanted to borrow that tech for Pixar), and then Mac OSX got the AROS and AmigaOS 3.X look and feel but with the Microsoft Windows bloat. AROS does not have the Windows bloat but still has the AmigaDOS/Workbench "less is more" approach in that it is memory efficient and doesn't need a high end processor with tons of memory to run it.
Basically Apple started to slowly evolve into Microsoft, and Amiga and the Amiga technology evolved into what the Macintosh should have been in 1985, and evolved into what it should be with AROS into modern times.
Apple even is suing people like Microsoft did like Pystar because of its EULA, which is very much like the one Microsoft has. Apple vs. Pystar is very much like Microsoft vs. IBM over OS/2, so Apple is evolving to what Microsoft was during the OS/2 years in the 1990's.
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Try plugginh an HP printer into the same usb Channel as your iPhone.
This will cause the crash.
In the scenerio I presented to you, whose fault would you think was the crash if you ahdn
t read this story?
Probably HPs.
Just an example of how overly complex windows driver architecture is.
This is why I feel we should go back to the applications installing everything it needs under a directory it creates.
Less mess, easy trouble shooting easy uninstall, not files scattered all over your system.
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Expect Apple to blame Vista.
Probably, but this begs to me to ask what iTunes is doing to bring down the OS. If it is driver related, then surely all drivers used to communicate with the iPhone and iPod should be user space drivers? If they aren't it would seem Apple did something wrong, or does Vista not support user-space drivers? If Apple is using a user-space driver, then this would put the blame on vista.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
You can't say Apple didn't warn you about Vista!
"...great software like iTunes 8..."
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Obviously this is new territory for you if you call iTunes great.
Maybe Apple did QA it properly.
THink of the bad press for MS this heaps ontop of Vista. What are people going to remember? iTunes crashes Vista? Or Vista crashes when you plugin an iPod?
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
I cant believe you ppl are using itunes crap.
apple dont give it fk about you or anything that has to do with windows. man my 3rd gen nano is dead, need batter replacing etc... i fix it but why the fk did it brake down in just 13th months? piece of shit but i should have known better since my old ipod video broke down in 12months and 2 days. dead battery then the hd crap out. and now for whatever reason my iphone is dialing random numbers while i am sleeping...the flickering bright ass screen woke me up... one day i plug my ipod when it used to work on my friends computer and freaking itunes wipe out all my music how gay is that. fk apple freaking evil monopoly. Now I just use media monkey free for all my music and is fking amazing. WHY HASN'T THE U.S. GOVERNMENT SUE APPLE FOR ALL THEIR EVIL MONOPOLY.
"Wow PC, it looks like your Vista users are really having headaches running great software like iTunes 8. Mac runs them just fine."
"You son of a bitch." (Pulls out a gun)
"Whoa PC, whoa, let's not..."
BLAM.
giggle...
As some of my siblings have mentioned, Itunes installs at least some modules in Kernel mode. So to all probability Apple fucked up. Now look at the functionality that Itunes offers. For everything it does, Windows has an API. It is a normal application, it should be able to run in usermode. Yet some people think it's perfectly okay to have Apple install drivers on their machine. That's why I think the customers carry part of the blame too: they should have known better and used something else.
MS doesn't win anything by making an Mac run poorly, but Mac wins whenever vista looks like its not running properly.
I can't begin to describe how much I don't believe in supporting a company that basis its entire marketing campaign on smearing the competition.
I absolutely cannot fathom why people continue to buy iPods when there are so many better, more compatible and cheaper portable music players out there.
Many of them act as standard USB block devices that you can just drop your music into, which is a big plus for Linux users (obviously) but is actually a lot more convenient in Windows too.
I'm personally using a SanDisk Sansa right now, but I've been out looking for an older player that will support Rockbox firmware. It turns out that they're pretty hard to find.
What can I say? Vista=S**T & IPOD's=Even more. But you are the mugs using them, And paying for them. What do you expect when windows is microsft and apple is ipod? Miracles? Ha Ha Ha!!!
The Mac Geniuses decided they needed to put something in Kernel space for their POS to take down the OS.
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apple are gonna blame vista, but im using itunes 8, i have my ipod plugged in (im actually listening to music from my ipod, via itunes+pc speakers as i type this) and i didnt see anything that remotly looked like a bsod... so i dont know how it can be vista if some people get it, and some dont.
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I have installed iTunes8 on a macbook pro Vista partition and it does not crash when I connect my iphone. I have not tried the same test on my Vaio running vista. Both systems are running Vista business.
This ought to be fun. An entire forum filled with whiny apple fanboys discussing their hero's feet of lead.
Of course, the mods will send this straight to the tank.
...why does it wait until something is plugged in?
Thats why i have a sansa... Wahh wah...
[...]and the user...
...installed iTunes.
Boot Windows, Linux, and ESX over the network for free.
Vista's notoriously disastrous USB driver stack is the root cause. It's not itunes that's panicking, it's the USB shell.
It would not be MS's fault if the application crashed itself, but left the OS running.
The fact that it manages to take the OS down with it is entirely MS's fault. A well-designed OS doesn't go down when some top-level application dies.
That SUCKS FAT DONKEY DICK. I thought it was just our resident testing monkeys. Apparently it's an industry wide problem.. Good to know.
So many injustices..so little time..
I bet it's 90% likely that Vista's DRM is messing things up. Still Apple's fault, but come on - Using Vista is like driving a GM car. Lots of people do because it's what's available, but really... is it what you aspire to own?
Note - XP runs ITunes 8 just fine.
IMHO they should have a white screen of death specially reserved for Apple products.
You are obviously new around here.
When the iTouch came out and was jailbreaked Apple released new firmware that blocked the hack.
Go on, scan Slashdot archive about Apple offerings, you will find article after article conveying the frustration of people daring to wish to use a device they paid for as they damn wish.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If the roles were reversed /. would be screaming about MS' anti-competitive behavior.
Or, don't install iTunes on your PC/Mac at all, and install Rockbox on your iPod.
Problem solved.
Homonyms are fun!
You're driving your car, but they're riding their bikes there.
... using music players that use standards drivers that work with Linux.
I am missing both the Windows Vista and iTunes experience. I feel sooo excluded.
When people ask why standards should be followed, this is an excellent point in case.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
IOW. Learn how to be a con artist using this fictional philosophy as a framework.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Didn't a few revisions of iTunes 7 also cause a lot of problems on Windows? Apple seems to have trouble delivering Windows software recently.
It feels so strange. I keep reading all of these "ZOMG teh crashes!!1one" horror stories about iTunes 8 and Vista, and yet I upgraded to 8 on Tuesday and have had not a single issue with it, my iPod, or my iPhone. AFAICT it even runs a little better than 7 did (granted, purely anecdotal...no testing done whatsoever).
Am I the aberration in this case, or are the vocal minority getting WAY out of hand again?
Hmmm....
Enemy of the Sun
You forgot:
Mac throws an iPod at PC.
PC catches the iPod out of reflex.
PC freezes in place and then falls straight back over.
Linux walks by while munching on a bag of chips, looks down at PC on the floor. "Too bad. Doesn't even play Ogg files, anyways." Linux holds up the bag for Mac which has a PPC logo on it. "Chip?"
Mac waves a hand, "No thanks. Trying to quit."
If it really is Apple's fault for releasing a buggy driver, Microsoft should put out an update that marks the latest iTunes as having compatibility issues with Vista.
Please see this apple knowledge base page: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2280
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Works fine for me. iPod Touch, Vista Ultimate x64, iTunes 8, all very happy with each other.
the developers do, with any code signing certificate from a root certificate authority.
I know someone's going to tag me a fanboy, but believe me, I've only been this way about a week, ever since my Zune arrived and it blew my expectations, which have been kept artificially low by the feature light iPods and iTunes software.
Seriously people, get a Zune. iPods have the edge in marketing and "coolness", but Zunes destroy iPods based on features (FM radio, wireless sharing with friends, etc), ease of use, and the Zune software! iTunes 7 would drag my machine to a crawl, even scrolling up and down in the library was painful. I couldn't believe how snappy the Zune software was. And it was easier to use with better features.
And the best part about the Zune is the way Microsoft treats their mp3 player customers. I know it sounds crazy that someone would say Microsoft treats them well, but seriously, think about it! Apple's iPod batteries were dying right after the warranty was up. Apple's answer? For a long time it was "go buy a new iPod". The iPod shuffle randomly irreperably corrupts itself... for THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of owners, including myself (just google orange and green blinking light issue). Apparently it was caused, at least in some cases, by the iTunes software itself. Apple's answer? Buy a new one. Unlock an iPhone you purchased? Apple bricks it, go buy a new one.
Contrast that with the Zune. I bought it last week, and this week Microsoft announces a new Zune and lots of new features, such as the incredible "buy from radio" feature. If you listen to a song on the Zune's radio and like it, you can just tell the Zune you want to buy it (even if you have no idea what it is or who it is you are listening to), and it will figure out what song it was, and as soon as you get within range of a WiFi hotspot, it will download it and buy it for you. My heart fell when I heard I had bought a Zune a week before the announcement, until Microsoft did the exact opposite of Apple. Their answer was not "buy a new Zune to get this feature". Their answer was, "Everyone gets these features, just download the new firmware when we release it." So yeah, I'm sticking with a Zune, and I will NEVER go back to Apple.
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
Had to be said.
Has the jury reached a verdict? Yes, we have. Completely justifiable homicide.
In this day and age, ANY OS that lets an app take it out is a piece of shit.
Steve Jobs must be rolling over in his grave.
Have gnu, will travel.
Sorry, folks, but lemme make it clear to myself... So if an application crashes entire OS, then how the heck it can be called "Good OS"? I understand iTunes 8 is a bugware, but in general, is it good operating system that can not withstand stupid software and jail it? I would love see the same thing with Solaris, for example. Or even with the OSX. It sounds to me more like a security problem, because you can write stupid C/C++ program that crashes your Vista machine, put it somehow somewhere (different topic though) and then trigger when it is "needed"... Am I am missing something?..
(Remember, that's the HOT CHICK Linux [from the Novel spoofs] sauntering by...)
Your Servant, B. Baggins
Pick your poison...
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
This is just more evidence that iTunes sucks and Apple has no QC testing. First the second iPhone sucks, then Mobile Me sucks, now iTunes 8 sucks too. Apple is losing its luster and people are starting to notice. Get off your fucking high horse Apple, people won't put up with crap not working for long. Test your shit before you release it to the dimwitted public that would buy the Apple iShit pile of shit as long as it came in fancy packaging...
iTunes 8 isn't just a problem on Vista, it's buggy on Mac OS X too.
They pushed this thing out without real testing and spent way too much time on bullshit features like album covert art display and "Genius" up-sell feature.
How about making it rock solid to sync with iPods and iPhones -- you know, the main purpose behind iTunes in the first place. They keep grafting on eye-candy, but I think the architecture is starting to show its age.
Fact is, they should require a brand new iTunes with every new iPod. They should be using some plug-in mechanism to support new iPods. Come on. Of course, it wasn't designed with real extensibility in mind.
Apple needs to rewrite iTunes so that we don't have to always wait for N.0.1 release to fix all the nasty bugs they decided to ship with. Apple should be embarrassed over iTunes 8.
My Vista has not crashed once...i have an iphone, a nano, a new nano, and a 30gb gen 5 ipod. all work fine.
It's the combination of iTunes 8, Windows Vista and the latest mailer virus that overloads the RAM causing the blue screen.
Solution:
Buy an OS that can control its own RAM and not freak out when an app runs away. (i.e. OSX, UNIX, LINUX, blah blah)
Ive heard that people use Rockbox because it lets the iPod play more formats?
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Upgraded iTunes on my XP desktop and it created over 9k of duplicate entries when I reread the network library.
On Vista, 8.0 missed about 2k songs from the same network library.
Well since Apple doesn't do real updates to their software (only downloading the whole thing again), I uninstalled iTunes 7, rebooted, and THEN installed iTunes 8. Then I uninstalled Bonjour, Apple Software Update, and Apple mobile service. Had to click off a message box bitching that Bonjour wasn't installed properly but that's about it. Haven't seen any blue screens, just some screen corruption to some text once or twice. That's about it. No crashes or bluescreens for my 5G iPod.
What I do want them to fix is adding support for even LARGER text sizes in the program. I have a 24" monitor and have to lean forward to read user comments, tv show descriptions... ect. Any way I can fix that?
Here : http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1502
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If the x86 OS crashes because of an errand device driver it's still an OS bug. It wasn't in the 70th an 80th but it is today. Because x86 from from 386 onwards offer 4 level of hardware protection and it is a design bug if an OS running on x386 is using only two of them.
One should have placed device driver into Ring 1 - then they could not blue screen the system
This a joke - why should people need to install a (bloated) program just to copy files to an MP3 player?
There's plenty of players out there that simply implement the USB Mass Storage Device protocol and thus look like a plain old USB flash disk: plug it in to the USB port on a Mac, Windows or Linux machine (even XBox360 and PSP3) and just copy files to and from the player.
Instead with the iPod we get the privilege of installing the iTunes bloatware and can't even copy files out from the player.
But hey, it's Apple .... uuuh, shinny
if i were to give you a bad patch for the kernel and you used it and your linux hanged upon using what ever feature that patch was promised to add...you would blame Linus? Because drivers in windows do the exact same thing. You have to blame the developer of the drivers NOT vista.I actually bet they don't have drivers ready for the x64 version because those actually have to get certified by microsoft.That means they would work. Freaking geniuses...
I use my iPod mini extensively as a small portable harddrive to shuttle files from and to the office.
I was going to get a new Touch this weekend, but if it can't be used as a drive, I'll pass.
Thanks Apple, for reducing the capability of an otherwise fine gadget.
iTunes 7 was big enough, what with Bonjour, Apple service, QuickTime etc all being loaded quietly in the background.
As far as I'm concerned, Apple have fucked up iTunes too much now; these drivers that seem completely unnecessary, MobileMe, AND the above? System stability & performance on your machine come second to Apple controlling it's ecosystem exactly how it wants to apparently.
Apple seems to think it has the right to load anything it wants onto my system, and worse, without even telling me, and for me they've crossed the line.
throw new NoSignatureException();
Good, fuck em, who cares. I hope they made the bug on purpose. Poor Microsoft.
Vista, crippled by the poor memory allocations in modern PCs is attempting to use the iPod as a Readyboost source, in the most promiscuous manner
Genius doesn't like my canadian music. He has no suggestions for Dust Rhinos, Great Big Sea or Blue Rodeo....... But the vista-itunes 8 combo worked fine for me.
It's a marketing ploy! Simple really - they update iTunes, which crashes Vista and then they release another commercial showing how unstable Vista is!
I hate apple, expect them to blame Microsoft for them making a program that can't run on PC's.
The lack of hardware in-process component isolation coupled with the non-safety of C/C++ can make operating systems like crash...
Datsdafax
No issues here, Im running server 08 on one machine and win xp on another pc. The rest of my usb ports still work when the iphone is plugged in as well.
Seriously dude... I'm an Amiga guy from way back in the day; I owned a 2000, a 3000, and a 4000, all bought new from C=. I was a CATS member. I still have a copy of the ROM kernal manual lying around here somewhere. My Amiga credentials are pretty solid, OK.
Apple didn't copy Commodore; if anything, it was the other way around... and even then, "copy" is way too harsh a word. "Inspire" is probably better.
The Mac's hardware design was always odd, and inferior to the Amiga (not for nothing could an Amiga 4000/040 emulate a Mac in software faster than the Mac itself ran natively) but when it came to look and feel and genral UI-ness, Apple was always far superior. Even the add-on packages for Workbench (MUI and that other one) couldn't make up the difference.
I did web development in 1995/1996 using an Amiga 4000. All the programming was done on the native Amiga, but the web browser was Netscape for Mac emulated using Shapeshifter.
Amiga hardware with Mac UI would have made for a killer machine.
DG
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I'm sadly surprised that no one has taken the golden opportunity to say that "user" "SamBeckett" is really traveling through time putting right what once went wrong.....theres a perfect Vista joke in there people!
I had this start on my XP machine over a year ago. If I plugged in my iPod and started iTunes the system would do a core dump and blue screen. Interestingly, the core dump was detected by Norton's and Avast as a virus.
This is happening because of the Bon Jour service... i tried uninstalling after encountering similar problem on my Vista.. I was able to uninstall Apple updater, ITunes and Quick time player without issues but when i tried to uninstall the Bon Jour, the blue screen of death struck again... I really hate the Bon Jour.. earlier in my XP machine, it was twice effected by viruses. its one crappy piece of s/w
Running vista business on a dell e1505 with itunes 8 and a 1st gen iphone....
I'm not an Apple hater...I like my Apple workstation a lot, and prefer to use it when possible, but ITunes sucks even on OSX. Slow, memory hog, forces file conversions on me (and quite often doesn't make the conversion correctly, so I have to deal with broken song files).
My wife got an IPod as a gift, and I can't WAIT till the POS dies. It locks up daily, runs its battery down when shut of, and doesn't disconnect from Itunes correctly. I had a RIO Karma, arguably the biggest POS mp3 player of all time, that I had less trouble with.
Now I have to worry about Itunes sneaking in an update and blue screening her computer. Great.
Note to Apple: If you keep fucking up like this, you're going to be enjoying another decade of declining market share. Pretty design means nothing if your crap is breaking all the time.
I banish U!
U Banished!
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For me, my iPod and iTunes 8 are working fine with Vista... on Boot Camp.
eat shit itunes
must be lucky i installed it last night on my pc running vista and had no issues everything worked fine for mehttp://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=961419&op=reply&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=
iTunes 8 works fine under Vista for me. iPod plugged in and all.
hi im a pc, and im a mac, PC: itunes 8 crashes my computer, Mac: itunes runs great one me, the obvious solution is to buy a mac.
Does the new iTunes still have that bloated and choppy interface like the old one does?
User "sambeckett" should know better and just have Al ping Ziggy for a resolution to the matter.