The point is they are trying to PREVENT it from happening to any 'potential' child by a person who is obviously interested in doing it.
I have three siblings, 6, 14, and 17. It brings tears to my eyes to even IMAGINE what kind of pain it would bring to them for something so horrible to happen. NOBODY deserves to be coerced, manipulated, and convinced into a situation like that, child or not. Children have more of a disadvantage at being able to deal with the situation, tell their story, and move on. Adolescent girls (and boys) have so many hormones, emotional changes, and physical changes going on that they aren't sure what to think of sexual things... and to have someone completely trash them for life (or even CONSIDER it) like this just is not okay.
I don't think "everybody does it" is a good excuse, porn or sex.
Lots of knowledge in there... if you got a question, search through the newsgroup with deja.com's engine or get right on that comp.os.linux.powerpc link;o)
Karma is the sum total of all moderation that's done to you.
So if you post a lot of stuff that's moderated up, you get good karma. After +20, you start to get a bonus point every time you post (posting at +2 instead of +1). If you post a lot of stuff that's moderated down, you get negative karma. After -10, you start to get a negative "bonus" point (posting at 0 instead of +1).
So if you start posting with brilliance your karma can go up, and if you start flaming, your karma will go down.
Hrm, lets see... 1) Plug in Ethernet card 2) plug in cable 3) turn on computer
that's all it took to get *me* on the net (DHCP is nice:)) Getting it to work over a modem, generally requires you to enter a phone number, an L/P, and nothing else. I know, I've done it.
Really!? Well you're lucky then. I talk to countless people almost every day who canNOT get their ethernet card to work let ALONE their modems.
Here at the University, there's just one extra step (get your network card "certified" or the DHCP won't assign you anything). Everything else should be easy, right? Put the card in, reboot, plug-n-pray detects it, drivers install, DHCP assigns, and away we go. Nope! Not in 9 cases out of 10.
Most of the time, Plug-N-Pray doesn't detect the card (usually they're 3com EtherLink cards) which means a driver installation. Then there are the lovely times that there are hardware conflicts. Then, we get into the network configuration (adding tcp/ip for your network card at *least*). Then we reboot and MAYBE you have a network connection.
Modems? Ha! Sure they're similar to the NIC to install (plug in, see if Plug-N-Pray detects, install drivers if not). We've had a LOT of cases where the modem conflicts with the ethernet card and won't dial up; remove the card's tcp/ip information and it magickally re-adds itself again!
Then there's the dial-up configuration. It's "easy" if you have an ISP that doesn't have assigned DNS/WINS IPs (just enter the phone number and away you go), but what if you do? Then it's even MORE fun!
So we look through our dial-up packet for the PC... about 10 pages (conservatively). Then we hit the Mac packet... 5 (generously). Yes, I said five and that's on the HIGH end. Given that both are recent systems (MacOS 7.something and win9x), the Mac system is MUCH easier to set up on the 'net.
If you disagree, I welcome you to come down and work a busy afternoon doing phone helpdesk support for me. After it's done, you can let me know how many problems you had with the Windows TCP/IP garbage.
Or you could have cheated, and that's why you didn't (couldn't) show your work.
Some teachers give partial credit... if you just put an answer down, and it's wrong, it becomes binary (right/wrong) instead of having all the shades in between (whoops, you wrote this number down wrong, whoops, you shifted a decimal place, etc).
-nicole
Re: I'll wait for linux (without caps lock stuck)
on
Apple announces the G4
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Looks like October according to the Apple Store... Linux(PPC or YD or otherwise) you might have to wait longer for.
Are you serious? Canada, a third world country!? That's news to me, and certainly news to Canada.
"That far north". What country do YOU think borders the US on the north? Have you ever BEEN in the northern US or anywhere NEAR Canada?
Do you really think there's some imaginary line that's drawn between the US and Canada where one second (in the US) it's warm, bright, sunny and technological and the next (in Canada) it's dark, cold, barren and they live in igloos?
That'd be a fun dance. Canda (brr) US (ooh) Canada (bo-ring) US (ooh)
*snort*
Join the weather channel. They don't think Canada "exists" either (the weather just *stops* at the border!).
Well, I guess I (a female) need to seek my inner roots and feelings on why I have "patronizing attitudes" toward women and call them "chicks".
I'll have to talk to my p-sychiatrist about it sometime, I'm sure it'd be a great laugh for us both.
Feminism is a treat, but when you overdo it (this guy was obviously making a joke, not saying he hated women or whatever you read it to be) it becomes a stereotype for those of us who aren't angry lesbians to try and destroy.
So, chick, maybe you should get a clue about where YOUR patronizing attitudes toward MEN are coming from...
look at me look at me i'm a girl i'm a girrrrlll!!! come on guys i'm a girl and a geek! LOOK!!!
(snort) It was bound to happen.
Seriously, I agree... but in my high school, we had a nice upper "echelon" of geeky people (not necessarily computer-geeky) and they were some of the coolest peoples I know (my husband is impressed with their geekyness even now). Our peers didn't bother being morons to us 'cause it just wasn't worth it. They probably thought we were geeks, and talked amongst themselves (to borrow from coffee talk) about it, but we could care less.
The best way is to find other geeks and stick to 'em. Ditch the losers that thing you're "icky" 'cause you program. Find some people who might not be geeky but still care about the PERSON you are and not the books you read. Worked for me!
Also... the parents make a difference too. If your parents are encouraging you to be more submissive and not stand up for the individual you are, it's going to be harder to convince yourself to stick with what you like even though it's not "cool" to your peers. My parents were very supportive of me as who I am, and I probably wouldn't be where I am now without it.
Keep it up, geeky chick, even though you got all excited when you fit the description;o)
I'm a woman, a wife, an engineer (chemical), and a programmer. *gasp* And my husband is a programmer, too.
There are always going to be PEOPLE (man or woman) in the CS field "for the money", just like any other high-paying field (a friend of mine went into HR 'cause she said it paid good money, and she doesn't like it at all). They'll probably burn out, like someone else mentioned, and move on with their lives.
There are always going to be PEOPLE who are mediocre. There's a guy that I had to deal with in college ChemE courses that squeaks himself by by cheating and mooching off of group members (namely, me). There are girls that I had to deal with in my CS courses that mooch off the people that know what they're doing, too.
These people may all make good husbands/wives, there's no way of telling that. How good you program (or chug through engineering problems) does not well reflect on how good a wife/husband you "make" in any respect.
I don't care if there are few women in the CS field... most of the time, it's a "calling" or something that just plain interests you, and not all women have the CS "call". But to all the women that are, more power to ya. If anything makes it tough, it's the morons that look down on you and say "I didn't know there could be women in engineering!" or "even SHE knows that!"... along with making strange assertions about the quality of PERSON you are.
Maybe you (original poster) should talk to my husband about it a bit, he'd probably be more adamant about your stupidity.
Recruiting is a big subject in engineering departments... I've been to departmental advisory board meetings, and a lot of the times it's recruiting that's a major subject. Recruiting and retention, anyway. They discuss where they're "losing" students to, how they currently recruit students, how many students total they have, how many (sex) or (race) they have, and what they are aiming to have. *shrug* maybe they decided they wanted more women in their program to even out the odds a bit.
Actually, at the bottom of those x10 spams are a quick link that you click on sending you to their "unsubscribe" page. Don't even have to confirm it.
I live only 300 miles from Seattle, ordered my firecracker last Friday. Have yet to see it. Normally stuff from Seattle gets here in 3 or 4 days, not more than a week.
Simple enough... We should buy Linus an iToaster... he'll take a look at it... if it's Linux sue for the GPL, if it's not sue for copyright infringement!
Classic... either way Microworkz will not get away with it.
The *default* moderation may be zero, but if someone is returning to slashdot, reading the comments, and participating in the discussion, they can CHOOSE not to read 0/1/whatever posts.
Moderators of slashdot are admirable, they will moderate down a blatent "$NAME sucks" or "you're a complete and total moron $NAME, shut up" message, no matter what the contents of $NAME. I've seen plenty of "katz sucks", "MS sucks", "mitnick sucks", and so on messages marked down, and it has nothing to do with the article content.
If they are willing to read Katz' work, and willing to look into the community he is attempting to capture in his writing, they will look through the posts and find the non "katz sucks" stuff in there, or completely ignore them all together and take what they want from his writing alone. Sincere interest in the 'geeky internet' community, IMHO, will come with a grain of salt: someone willing to delve into the depths of the insides of the internet will have seen the newsgroups, seen other websites, read plenty of 'hackers are bad' crap. They're coming to slashdot via Katz' article for a better understanding.
Why are the message boards such a big deal if the ARTICLES are getting linked elsewhere? You don't *have* to read the message boards to read 'featured' articles. Clicking on the "xxxxx bytes in body" eliminates messages, you can *choose* to read them or not. Same with the "Voices from the Hellmouth" series that got so many people here.
If someone has been around the 'net world long enough to find slashdot and take in a sincere interest in reading, they know all of the BS that goes along with a "public" message board, and if they aren't participating, they'll take it all with a grain of salt and a slight roll of the eyes.
I'm not discounting Katz as an author, he is providing insight for the 'mundane' world into the 'geeky' world the rest of us live in. However, he IS posting his articles to Slashdot, and thus his intent should be FOR the Slashdot audience, not for some greater "I'm gonna get linked and get all sorts of brilliant e-mail then tell my 'target audience' they can't post worth crap and are getting laughed off in my higher plane of existence".
If you aren't the issue, why do we get all of the "got tons of very intelligent, interesting, thoughful, e-mail about this column which, as usual, is being linked all over the place."
Ooh, Jon's being linked all over the place... guess that means we better listen up, huh!
If you can't take the time to read through the comments and find the "real" discussion, or click the little button to restrict your view (reflecting moderation), why complain? There is a *reason* that functionality was put into slashdot.
I'm so glad you can take the time to tell us that you're being linked all over the place, but we (the posters) are a joke.
Ever read a newsgroup? Are newsgroups the "joke of the 'net"? Newsgroups are much more prone to flames, BS, and all around nonsense than slashdot, yet I see no one laugh them out of existence. With slashdot, we have a unique community of people who are willing to think for themselves (generalizing here), and use the voice they were given to 'share' their opinion. Sure, sometimes that might be in the form of a flame, but right behind them (and probably me;o)) are the moderators.
If you wish to look at someone being "laughed at", try yourself, that's what's happening here. The difference: slashdot readers don't really *care* what the "rest of the web" thinks, while you feel the need to come in and defend yourself, insulting those that read your column in the first place.
Doesn't the fact that they READ your column say something in itself? They took the time to read the thing, instead of just ignoring it and moving on. It probably made them think about the issue, if even just a little bit you *did* get some of your point across.
Insulting your "target audience" doesn't get you far... of course, you seem to be more interested in getting yourself brilliant e-mail responses and 'linked everywhere' than respecting the very people who read your columns in the first place.
#pascal is in connection with a group calling themselves "C.L.N." the FBI knows them because they rooted several servers (including www.wsu.edu) around April 10th thru 11th
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good luck finding something with "equal processing power" at a comparable price, more OR less than the g3/g4 (macOS or not).
Check again; UNIX+Mac *first*.
/pub/communicator/english/4.7
Current directory is
mac/ Tue Sep 28 14:06:00 1999
unix/ Tue Sep 28 14:06:00 1999
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-nicole
The point is they are trying to PREVENT it from happening to any 'potential' child by a person who is obviously interested in doing it.
I have three siblings, 6, 14, and 17. It brings tears to my eyes to even IMAGINE what kind of pain it would bring to them for something so horrible to happen. NOBODY deserves to be coerced, manipulated, and convinced into a situation like that, child or not. Children have more of a disadvantage at being able to deal with the situation, tell their story, and move on. Adolescent girls (and boys) have so many hormones, emotional changes, and physical changes going on that they aren't sure what to think of sexual things... and to have someone completely trash them for life (or even CONSIDER it) like this just is not okay.
I don't think "everybody does it" is a good excuse, porn or sex.
Well, that'd work ;o) The ng seems to have a great knowledge base also.
-nicole
Okay so i screwed up the link...please do not ream me.
comp.os.linux.powerpc
-nicole
I suggest taking them to comp.os.linux.powerpc
;o)
Lots of knowledge in there... if you got a question, search through the newsgroup with deja.com's engine or get right on that comp.os.linux.powerpc link
-nicole
As far as I remember, that was Earthlink, not Netcom.
:o)
Search through deja.com or some (anti) scientology websites and it should show the "truth". I'm 99% positive it was Earthlink.
I know I'm off topic... just correcting
-nicole
sorry about that...
stupid webcache
-nicole
I swear I posted a response to this... but /. still says only 3 comments. *shrug*
S ERNAME
You can see anyone's karma through their user info page:
http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=U
-nicole
Look at your own user info... or heck look at mine. You can see anyone's Karma through their user info page:
S ERNAME
http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=U
-nicole
Karma is the sum total of all moderation that's done to you.
So if you post a lot of stuff that's moderated up, you get good karma. After +20, you start to get a bonus point every time you post (posting at +2 instead of +1). If you post a lot of stuff that's moderated down, you get negative karma. After -10, you start to get a negative "bonus" point (posting at 0 instead of +1).
So if you start posting with brilliance your karma can go up, and if you start flaming, your karma will go down.
-nicole
Hrm, lets see...
:)) Getting it to work over a modem, generally requires you to enter a phone number, an L/P, and nothing else. I know, I've done it.
1) Plug in Ethernet card
2) plug in cable
3) turn on computer
that's all it took to get *me* on the net (DHCP is nice
Really!? Well you're lucky then. I talk to countless people almost every day who canNOT get their ethernet card to work let ALONE their modems.
Here at the University, there's just one extra step (get your network card "certified" or the DHCP won't assign you anything). Everything else should be easy, right? Put the card in, reboot, plug-n-pray detects it, drivers install, DHCP assigns, and away we go. Nope! Not in 9 cases out of 10.
Most of the time, Plug-N-Pray doesn't detect the card (usually they're 3com EtherLink cards) which means a driver installation. Then there are the lovely times that there are hardware conflicts. Then, we get into the network configuration (adding tcp/ip for your network card at *least*). Then we reboot and MAYBE you have a network connection.
Modems? Ha! Sure they're similar to the NIC to install (plug in, see if Plug-N-Pray detects, install drivers if not). We've had a LOT of cases where the modem conflicts with the ethernet card and won't dial up; remove the card's tcp/ip information and it magickally re-adds itself again!
Then there's the dial-up configuration. It's "easy" if you have an ISP that doesn't have assigned DNS/WINS IPs (just enter the phone number and away you go), but what if you do? Then it's even MORE fun!
So we look through our dial-up packet for the PC... about 10 pages (conservatively). Then we hit the Mac packet... 5 (generously). Yes, I said five and that's on the HIGH end. Given that both are recent systems (MacOS 7.something and win9x), the Mac system is MUCH easier to set up on the 'net.
If you disagree, I welcome you to come down and work a busy afternoon doing phone helpdesk support for me. After it's done, you can let me know how many problems you had with the Windows TCP/IP garbage.
-nicole
Or you could have cheated, and that's why you didn't (couldn't) show your work.
Some teachers give partial credit... if you just put an answer down, and it's wrong, it becomes binary (right/wrong) instead of having all the shades in between (whoops, you wrote this number down wrong, whoops, you shifted a decimal place, etc).
-nicole
Looks like October according to the Apple Store... Linux(PPC or YD or otherwise) you might have to wait longer for.
-nicole
Are you serious? Canada, a third world country!? That's news to me, and certainly news to Canada.
"That far north". What country do YOU think borders the US on the north? Have you ever BEEN in the northern US or anywhere NEAR Canada?
Do you really think there's some imaginary line that's drawn between the US and Canada where one second (in the US) it's warm, bright, sunny and technological and the next (in Canada) it's dark, cold, barren and they live in igloos?
That'd be a fun dance.
Canda (brr)
US (ooh)
Canada (bo-ring)
US (ooh)
*snort*
Join the weather channel. They don't think Canada "exists" either (the weather just *stops* at the border!).
-nicole
Well, I guess I (a female) need to seek my inner roots and feelings on why I have "patronizing attitudes" toward women and call them "chicks".
I'll have to talk to my p-sychiatrist about it sometime, I'm sure it'd be a great laugh for us both.
Feminism is a treat, but when you overdo it (this guy was obviously making a joke, not saying he hated women or whatever you read it to be) it becomes a stereotype for those of us who aren't angry lesbians to try and destroy.
So, chick, maybe you should get a clue about where YOUR patronizing attitudes toward MEN are coming from...
look at me look at me i'm a girl i'm a girrrrlll!!! come on guys i'm a girl and a geek! LOOK!!!
;o)
(snort) It was bound to happen.
Seriously, I agree... but in my high school, we had a nice upper "echelon" of geeky people (not necessarily computer-geeky) and they were some of the coolest peoples I know (my husband is impressed with their geekyness even now). Our peers didn't bother being morons to us 'cause it just wasn't worth it. They probably thought we were geeks, and talked amongst themselves (to borrow from coffee talk) about it, but we could care less.
The best way is to find other geeks and stick to 'em. Ditch the losers that thing you're "icky" 'cause you program. Find some people who might not be geeky but still care about the PERSON you are and not the books you read. Worked for me!
Also... the parents make a difference too. If your parents are encouraging you to be more submissive and not stand up for the individual you are, it's going to be harder to convince yourself to stick with what you like even though it's not "cool" to your peers. My parents were very supportive of me as who I am, and I probably wouldn't be where I am now without it.
Keep it up, geeky chick, even though you got all excited when you fit the description
-nicole
I'm with you on the merits of this discussion...
I'm a woman, a wife, an engineer (chemical), and a programmer. *gasp* And my husband is a programmer, too.
There are always going to be PEOPLE (man or woman) in the CS field "for the money", just like any other high-paying field (a friend of mine went into HR 'cause she said it paid good money, and she doesn't like it at all). They'll probably burn out, like someone else mentioned, and move on with their lives.
There are always going to be PEOPLE who are mediocre. There's a guy that I had to deal with in college ChemE courses that squeaks himself by by cheating and mooching off of group members (namely, me). There are girls that I had to deal with in my CS courses that mooch off the people that know what they're doing, too.
These people may all make good husbands/wives, there's no way of telling that. How good you program (or chug through engineering problems) does not well reflect on how good a wife/husband you "make" in any respect.
I don't care if there are few women in the CS field... most of the time, it's a "calling" or something that just plain interests you, and not all women have the CS "call". But to all the women that are, more power to ya. If anything makes it tough, it's the morons that look down on you and say "I didn't know there could be women in engineering!" or "even SHE knows that!"... along with making strange assertions about the quality of PERSON you are.
Maybe you (original poster) should talk to my husband about it a bit, he'd probably be more adamant about your stupidity.
Recruiting is a big subject in engineering departments... I've been to departmental advisory board meetings, and a lot of the times it's recruiting that's a major subject. Recruiting and retention, anyway. They discuss where they're "losing" students to, how they currently recruit students, how many students total they have, how many (sex) or (race) they have, and what they are aiming to have. *shrug* maybe they decided they wanted more women in their program to even out the odds a bit.
This discussion just makes me want to say *snort*
-nicole
Try
:o)
http://www.x10.com/removeme.cgi?emai l@host.com
(replace email@host.com with the email address the spam is coming to, duh)
to get removed from the x10 spam.
Actually, at the bottom of those x10 spams are a quick link that you click on sending you to their "unsubscribe" page. Don't even have to confirm it.
I live only 300 miles from Seattle, ordered my firecracker last Friday. Have yet to see it. Normally stuff from Seattle gets here in 3 or 4 days, not more than a week.
-nicole
I feel so lonely in here... I'm an INTJ ;o)
From what I remember, an INTJ is one of the most rare types... guess I should feel special after all.
-nicole
Simple enough... We should buy Linus an iToaster... he'll take a look at it... if it's Linux sue for the GPL, if it's not sue for copyright infringement!
Classic... either way Microworkz will not get away with it.
The *default* moderation may be zero, but if someone is returning to slashdot, reading the comments, and participating in the discussion, they can CHOOSE not to read 0/1/whatever posts.
Moderators of slashdot are admirable, they will moderate down a blatent "$NAME sucks" or "you're a complete and total moron $NAME, shut up" message, no matter what the contents of $NAME. I've seen plenty of "katz sucks", "MS sucks", "mitnick sucks", and so on messages marked down, and it has nothing to do with the article content.
If they are willing to read Katz' work, and willing to look into the community he is attempting to capture in his writing, they will look through the posts and find the non "katz sucks" stuff in there, or completely ignore them all together and take what they want from his writing alone. Sincere interest in the 'geeky internet' community, IMHO, will come with a grain of salt: someone willing to delve into the depths of the insides of the internet will have seen the newsgroups, seen other websites, read plenty of 'hackers are bad' crap. They're coming to slashdot via Katz' article for a better understanding.
Why are the message boards such a big deal if the ARTICLES are getting linked elsewhere? You don't *have* to read the message boards to read 'featured' articles. Clicking on the "xxxxx bytes in body" eliminates messages, you can *choose* to read them or not. Same with the "Voices from the Hellmouth" series that got so many people here.
If someone has been around the 'net world long enough to find slashdot and take in a sincere interest in reading, they know all of the BS that goes along with a "public" message board, and if they aren't participating, they'll take it all with a grain of salt and a slight roll of the eyes.
I'm not discounting Katz as an author, he is providing insight for the 'mundane' world into the 'geeky' world the rest of us live in. However, he IS posting his articles to Slashdot, and thus his intent should be FOR the Slashdot audience, not for some greater "I'm gonna get linked and get all sorts of brilliant e-mail then tell my 'target audience' they can't post worth crap and are getting laughed off in my higher plane of existence".
-nicole
If you aren't the issue, why do we get all of the "got tons of very intelligent, interesting, thoughful, e-mail about this column which, as usual, is being linked all over the place."
;o)) are the moderators.
Ooh, Jon's being linked all over the place... guess that means we better listen up, huh!
If you can't take the time to read through the comments and find the "real" discussion, or click the little button to restrict your view (reflecting moderation), why complain? There is a *reason* that functionality was put into slashdot.
I'm so glad you can take the time to tell us that you're being linked all over the place, but we (the posters) are a joke.
Ever read a newsgroup? Are newsgroups the "joke of the 'net"? Newsgroups are much more prone to flames, BS, and all around nonsense than slashdot, yet I see no one laugh them out of existence. With slashdot, we have a unique community of people who are willing to think for themselves (generalizing here), and use the voice they were given to 'share' their opinion. Sure, sometimes that might be in the form of a flame, but right behind them (and probably me
If you wish to look at someone being "laughed at", try yourself, that's what's happening here. The difference: slashdot readers don't really *care* what the "rest of the web" thinks, while you feel the need to come in and defend yourself, insulting those that read your column in the first place.
Doesn't the fact that they READ your column say something in itself? They took the time to read the thing, instead of just ignoring it and moving on. It probably made them think about the issue, if even just a little bit you *did* get some of your point across.
Insulting your "target audience" doesn't get you far... of course, you seem to be more interested in getting yourself brilliant e-mail responses and 'linked everywhere' than respecting the very people who read your columns in the first place.
-nicole
#pascal is in connection with a group calling themselves "C.L.N." the FBI knows them because they rooted several servers (including www.wsu.edu) around April 10th thru 11th
.log file is April 11th and "TeknoDragon" is me trying to get anyone to give up any info... (they pissed me off, I missed my e-mail!)
BS you say? look here.
the