MS giving away their browser for free was the biggest acceptance that they had to interoperate.
Now they are trying to push aside technologies that have become standards (like Flash, PDF and others) and they will fail.
The simple fact that they offer virtualization for other OSes is very telling. It may be made in the idiotic MS way (there is no major obstacle to support anything in the major 3 or 4 flavours of Linux) but Linux is a reality in the market, and this is an acceptance of it.
They were not accepting this 10 years ago, which puts stop to your ludicrous assumption that nothing has changed since then.
What is a business process? I have never seen one on the flesh, so to speak.
And software? Lets not get started about that....
Project wise that may be an issue.
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Where I work sys admins earn as much (or more) than developers, so cost wise it may be damaging to make sys admins life difficult, negating any gains for developers in the great scheme of things.
Many people are cool with the limited availability of hardware for Apple machines, or with stickers or labels saying if a device is ready for XP, Vista or OSX.
Many people live resigned that the hardware that was working with older versions of Windows may not work with newer versions, and when going to manufacturers' websites to be told that their perfectly able devices will never be supported in the latest bloatware from Redmond.
But when Linux supporters refer somebody to a hardware compatibility list, it is a great debacle, an excuse, a failure.
Nice to see, as usual,,that attacks against Linux capabilities are based on biased blind critiques which give a free pass to other OSes while demanding the highest of standards from Linux.
In a previous job we have people checking some parts in Linux important for our internal operations.
The release fixes and improvements.
That is the whole point of Linux and FOSS.
With Windows (or Solaris before it was opened and other OSes , I have tales about NFS and NIS+ regarding this) if something does not work, you are screwed and in a weakened negotiating position with your software provider.
When you use MS products you support a company that has broken the law in several legal circumscriptions (including the EU and the US) and that is not shy to use pseudo legal, unethical threats (like patent litigation based in bogus, unsubstantiated claims).
Many people would not deal with a company or individual that followed such behaviour consistently, as MS does, but for some reason there are people in this website and elsewhere that are willing to rewrite history, use kind words towards this company, all in the name of I don't really know what exactly.
Allow me to be emotional about a company with such track record. I despise crooks of all stripes, so your pleas for leniency in this case should, fortunately, fall in many deaf ears.
dabs.com is one of the major Internet retailers in the UK, see what they have to say:
--- "dabs.com Customer Services Team" wrote:
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:00:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: "dabs.com Customer Services Team" > > To: > Subject: RE: General Customer Services Enquiry > (#xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxx) > > Dear Customer, > > We are expecting stock on 05/05/08, however this cannot be > guaranteed. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience > this may cause. > > Regards > > > Customer Services > dabs.com Plc >
> > -----Original Message----- > From: > Sent: 12-Mar-2008 14:42:52 > Subject: General Customer Services Enquiry > > Customer Name: > Customer Email Address: > Sales order number: xxxxxxx > > Tell me about this problem: > I would like to know how much longer I have to wait for this > order to be fulfilled. > > > It will be almost 2 months since I ordered this item. > >
That is 5 months lead time. For a Linux laptop (for people unwise enough to put XP, at the very least they are going to realize that Windows is not free).
You can also see http://eeestock.cpjackson.co.uk/ which checks stocks in major UK net retailers. The only black 4GB Eee PC available is by a dodgy seller in Amazon....
For fucking sakes, honestly, in which planet are you living?
Ballmer threatens patent litigation, attempts to divide (successfully) big swaths of the FOSS development community by granting *bogus* patent protection (in which the suckers pay protection money to the industry's Don Corleone, or sell themselves to the only bidder), not happy with that they keep violating competition rules in the EU to the point when they are fined record amounts of money and *forced* to play nice with some FOSS developers, while in the meantime they corrupt the voting process of a major international standards organization with the intention to make their Windows only format a recognized international "standard".
And here you are, shaming yourself in public, by advocating cooperation. Maybe you will wake up only when they begin to eat babies for breakfast....
If you want to have the freedom in the future to do whatever you want to do with the software in your computer (where increasingly MS has a bigger say than you about what it does) the only option is to reject completely MS stuff.
I just don't get it. A company that clearly recognizes few limits to the way they spread their wares must be delighted that there are still masochists out there willing to compromise, play the namby-pamby lets compromise and be happy idiotic game.
I refuse to deal with any disreputable company in any field, that includes MS. The willingness of most to deal with this company simply baffles me.
What is it lot? Is it just because what MS does is not a physical product? Do you also let disreputable carpenters, plumbers or banks do business with you? Do you enjoy it when after a bad plumber makes a mess in your kitchen he comes back to provide more outstanding services in your bathroom?
Anybody using other phones in the UK have paid (in a compulsory fashion mind you) the BBC license fee.
The BBC can't you say "we will support the cool phone, the rest be damned", specially when this phone is not even the market leader!
Somebody in the BBC needs to be called to task. The role of the BBC should be to ensure *all* license payers can access their services, this is best achieved by using open standards.
The BBC playing to the fiddle of MS, Apple or any other company in detriment of the people that actually pays their wages is completely unacceptable.
Eastern Europe is considered to be all the European countries that belonged to the Soviet block in the past. Hungary was part of them. And before you continue the pedantry, Europe is traditionally considered to end in the Caucasus, which would include the Westernmost part of Russia.
It is a very useful reference to differentiate between countries that were liberal democracies and the ones that weren't during the cold war.
This reference will become less meaningful in the future, but right now for anybody over 30 years of age it should still make sense.
IT only allows what other people them is allowed. And normally the people saying the last word are auditors of some kind or another.
But is it really a fault?
You see it as obstructionist, but do you have the legal know how to know if the application you want installed is legitimate? Are you going to vouch for its security? (I have seen badly programmed applications, including FOSS ones, bring down complete networks due toe unintended denial of service attacks. Will you take responsibility it the tool you need does such thing?). WIll you put your hands in fire for your application in regards to viruses, trojans and any other nasties?
The obstructionist attitude has a purpose which is to protect the assets and reputation of your company. If that pisses you off, though.
It is not FOSS people threatening to sue MS for "stolen" ideas.
It is MS doing so.
And it is not FOSS found guilty of all kind of shoddy practices, it is MS.
You make it appear like if the attitude of most/. people is irrational. Well, I think the irrational people are the ones insisting in placating and cajoling with a company that has a track record of screwing up business partners, consumers and the law.
So allow me my partisanship, because it is an insurance against being screwed.
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Want Goggle to search my site!
But only the parts I really, really want.
Unless your ISP allows you to share your connection. leaving your access point open is most likely a breach of your TOS anyway.
You are responsible to make your own software work.
Who makes Hyper-V? Answer and you will find who is responsible for it working.
It begs belief that somebody is so stupid as to claim that software has to be made to work by a company that can't possible ensure it does.
It is that simple really.
Nowadays I would add Ubuntu to the mix.
It is disingenuous to claim that supporting SuSe is supporting Linux.
You jest surely.
MS giving away their browser for free was the biggest acceptance that they had to interoperate.
Now they are trying to push aside technologies that have become standards (like Flash, PDF and others) and they will fail.
The simple fact that they offer virtualization for other OSes is very telling. It may be made in the idiotic MS way (there is no major obstacle to support anything in the major 3 or 4 flavours of Linux) but Linux is a reality in the market, and this is an acceptance of it.
They were not accepting this 10 years ago, which puts stop to your ludicrous assumption that nothing has changed since then.
I am too lazy too google, but I think he actually acquired this nationality.
... such titles are not recognized (I suppose that is the case in the US).
He would have been addressed just as Mr Clarke.
Honestly....
What is a business process? I have never seen one on the flesh, so to speak.
And software? Lets not get started about that....
Where I work sys admins earn as much (or more) than developers, so cost wise it may be damaging to make sys admins life difficult, negating any gains for developers in the great scheme of things.
... don't require the overhead of a database to be handled.
You are trying to use a gigantic hammer to crack a very small nut.
Many people are cool with the limited availability of hardware for Apple machines, or with stickers or labels saying if a device is ready for XP, Vista or OSX.
,that attacks against Linux capabilities are based on biased blind critiques which give a free pass to other OSes while demanding the highest of standards from Linux.
Many people live resigned that the hardware that was working with older versions of Windows may not work with newer versions, and when going to manufacturers' websites to be told that their perfectly able devices will never be supported in the latest bloatware from Redmond.
But when Linux supporters refer somebody to a hardware compatibility list, it is a great debacle, an excuse, a failure.
Nice to see, as usual,
In a previous job we have people checking some parts in Linux important for our internal operations.
The release fixes and improvements.
That is the whole point of Linux and FOSS.
With Windows (or Solaris before it was opened and other OSes , I have tales about NFS and NIS+ regarding this) if something does not work, you are screwed and in a weakened negotiating position with your software provider.
My mum is 70 and can use Ubuntu, she would not recognize a CLI if it hit her.
Lo and behold, she can install packages and say yes to the machine when new software needs to be installed.
It revolts me to hear other people whining about the CLI...
When you use MS products you support a company that has broken the law in several legal circumscriptions (including the EU and the US) and that is not shy to use pseudo legal, unethical threats (like patent litigation based in bogus, unsubstantiated claims).
Many people would not deal with a company or individual that followed such behaviour consistently, as MS does, but for some reason there are people in this website and elsewhere that are willing to rewrite history, use kind words towards this company, all in the name of I don't really know what exactly.
Allow me to be emotional about a company with such track record. I despise crooks of all stripes, so your pleas for leniency in this case should, fortunately, fall in many deaf ears.
Parasites routinely pass through the acid in our suffering stomachs.
There would be nothing extraordinary fi bacteria in yoghurt actually do....
This is the list of members:
http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Members
You can call it whatever you want, but not a scam for sure.
dabs.com is one of the major Internet retailers in the UK, see what they have to say:
--- "dabs.com Customer Services Team" wrote:
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:00:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "dabs.com Customer Services Team"
>
> To:
> Subject: RE: General Customer Services Enquiry
> (#xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxx)
>
> Dear Customer,
>
> We are expecting stock on 05/05/08, however this cannot be
> guaranteed. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience
> this may cause.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Customer Services
> dabs.com Plc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Sent: 12-Mar-2008 14:42:52
> Subject: General Customer Services Enquiry
>
> Customer Name:
> Customer Email Address:
> Sales order number: xxxxxxx
>
> Tell me about this problem:
> I would like to know how much longer I have to wait for this
> order to be fulfilled.
>
>
> It will be almost 2 months since I ordered this item.
>
>
That is 5 months lead time. For a Linux laptop (for people unwise enough to put XP, at the very least they are going to realize that Windows is not free).
You can also see http://eeestock.cpjackson.co.uk/ which checks stocks in major UK net retailers. The only black 4GB Eee PC available is by a dodgy seller in Amazon....
For fucking sakes, honestly, in which planet are you living?
....
Ballmer threatens patent litigation, attempts to divide (successfully) big swaths of the FOSS development community by granting *bogus* patent protection (in which the suckers pay protection money to the industry's Don Corleone, or sell themselves to the only bidder), not happy with that they keep violating competition rules in the EU to the point when they are fined record amounts of money and *forced* to play nice with some FOSS developers, while in the meantime they corrupt the voting process of a major international standards organization with the intention to make their Windows only format a recognized international "standard".
And here you are, shaming yourself in public, by advocating cooperation. Maybe you will wake up only when they begin to eat babies for breakfast
If you want to have the freedom in the future to do whatever you want to do with the software in your computer (where increasingly MS has a bigger say than you about what it does) the only option is to reject completely MS stuff.
I just don't get it. A company that clearly recognizes few limits to the way they spread their wares must be delighted that there are still masochists out there willing to compromise, play the namby-pamby lets compromise and be happy idiotic game.
I refuse to deal with any disreputable company in any field, that includes MS. The willingness of most to deal with this company simply baffles me.
What is it lot? Is it just because what MS does is not a physical product? Do you also let disreputable carpenters, plumbers or banks do business with you? Do you enjoy it when after a bad plumber makes a mess in your kitchen he comes back to provide more outstanding services in your bathroom?
Sorry, but it is just idiotic.
What is the point exactly?
Apple technofanatics want to pin down all computing progress to Jobs, no matter how tenous the links they can find.
Pathetic to be honest.
Anybody using other phones in the UK have paid (in a compulsory fashion mind you) the BBC license fee.
The BBC can't you say "we will support the cool phone, the rest be damned", specially when this phone is not even the market leader!
Somebody in the BBC needs to be called to task. The role of the BBC should be to ensure *all* license payers can access their services, this is best achieved by using open standards.
The BBC playing to the fiddle of MS, Apple or any other company in detriment of the people that actually pays their wages is completely unacceptable.
Eastern Europe is considered to be all the European countries that belonged to the Soviet block in the past. Hungary was part of them. And before you continue the pedantry, Europe is traditionally considered to end in the Caucasus, which would include the Westernmost part of Russia.
It is a very useful reference to differentiate between countries that were liberal democracies and the ones that weren't during the cold war.
This reference will become less meaningful in the future, but right now for anybody over 30 years of age it should still make sense.
d) Lots of geeks earn good money.
That is auditors or security departments fault.
IT only allows what other people them is allowed. And normally the people saying the last word are auditors of some kind or another.
But is it really a fault?
You see it as obstructionist, but do you have the legal know how to know if the application you want installed is legitimate? Are you going to vouch for its security? (I have seen badly programmed applications, including FOSS ones, bring down complete networks due toe unintended denial of service attacks. Will you take responsibility it the tool you need does such thing?). WIll you put your hands in fire for your application in regards to viruses, trojans and any other nasties?
The obstructionist attitude has a purpose which is to protect the assets and reputation of your company. If that pisses you off, though.
It is not FOSS people threatening to sue MS for "stolen" ideas.
/. people is irrational. Well, I think the irrational people are the ones insisting in placating and cajoling with a company that has a track record of screwing up business partners, consumers and the law.
It is MS doing so.
And it is not FOSS found guilty of all kind of shoddy practices, it is MS.
You make it appear like if the attitude of most
So allow me my partisanship, because it is an insurance against being screwed.