Them claiming that hey dont need it is exactally why it becomes nothing and the court can step all over it like in this instance.
Where are these British people who claim they don't need a Bill of Rights?
In my experience, British people fall into one of three camps:
Have never heard of the Bill of Rights/US constitution
Have heard of it and think 'we need a written constitution too'
Are aware that we have a written constitution
I have never heard a British person claim they don't need a Bill of Rights. I lived in Britain for 37 years.
One of the things that upholds the US constitution is its terseness, saneness, and closeness to the chartering of the national government itsself, although certainly its constant defence is the most critical.
[my italics]
I absolutely agree, and despair at the lack of outrage in Britain. If you could compare the justified anger on the Brits behalf here on Slashdot with the deafening silence in Britain you would be amazed.
If the british in this thread and in general dont respond to such a claim then is it any differnt than them not having a Bill of Rights in the first place?
I responded. I think that is one more person than has claimed that Britain doesn't need a Bill of Rights.
Although Gestapo was "owned" by SS, it was administered by the Reich Security Service.
The Reich Security Head Office (Reichssicherheitshauptamt) was part of the SS:
"The RSHA was the central SS-department; all official and secret police and security organs of the Third Reich were led by the RSHA"
The fact of German V-men has been a myth. Even in 1939, Gestapo employed only about 60-90 informers in Saar-Brucken area.
I don't find this statistic particularly compelling: Saarbrucken is quite a small place and 1939 was early the war.
Am just stating facts: yes in wartime people do get shot for stealing maps.
You misunderstand me. The resistance stole the map, the SS shot some innocent old men in reprisal. Because of this the resistance in the village were unable to operate in the area until after D-Day when they captured several tanks armed only with civilian weapons.
The same way iraqis are "collaterally killed" by US troops.
Reprisal attacks are not the same as 'collateral damage'. In fact the British RAF killed many times more French citizens in the area where I live than the Germans did: 14,800 in La Manche alone. That was 'collateral damage'.
What Britain is doing is very very frightful.
I quite agree, as stated in my post.
I just think that if you make statements which suggest the UK government passing laws (even as draconian as this one) is 'worse than the Gestapo ever was,' you undermine the credibility of your argument. The Gestapo weren't even subject to rule of law: the organisation was granted immunity from any judicial action by a law passed in 1936.
The Gestapo took people who had been denounced as enemies, and executed them without trial. By any objective measure that is worse than what the UK government is doing.
Laugh at all the British who say such a thing is unnecessary.
Who are all these British who say such a thing?
Britain has got a 'Bill of Rights': the Human Rights Act, which guarantees free speech, right to a fair trial (including the right not to incriminate oneself), etc, etc. This act formally enshrines rights that we've had under common law for centuries (eg, Habeas Corpus).
The fact that this court (not the highest in the land, mind) has chosen to interpret an encryption key as not covered under the right not to self-incriminate does not alter the fact that we also have constitutional rights.
So laugh away at your mythical British who say they don't need anything like the Bill of Rights.
Disclaimer: I think Britain is royally fucked anyway.
The government can ban any groups it labels 'terrorist' (Terrorism Act 2000)
The government can monitor any and all private communication (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000)
Armed forces can be deployed on UK soil in peacetime (Civil Contingencies Act 2004)
Property and assets can be seized without warning or compensation (Civil Contingencies Act 2004)
Spontaneous protest is now illegal around Parliament (Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005)
Without trial, any British citizen can be tagged, put under house arrest and banned from using the telephone or internet (Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005)
Any citizen can be imprisoned without charge for 28 days (42 days has passed the house of commons) (Terrorism Act 2006)
The executive can change any current legislation without consulting Parliament, with very few exceptions (Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006)
Arbitrary punishments with no legal precedents can be issued with little legal recourse, based on hearsay evidence (Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003)
British citizens can be extradicted to the United States with no evidence presented (Extradition Act 2003)
Compulsory identification for all British citizens, with an unlimited amount of details stored in a central database, which the private sector will have access to (Identity Cards Act 2006)
Upon arrest the police have claim to your DNA, even if you are released without charge (Criminal Justice Act 2003)
Note that some of this predates 9/11.
The government is not-so-gradually putting in place all the mechanisms that a totalitarian police state needs.
What's sickening is that this is largely supported by or ignored by the public.
Every letter I wrote to my MP was replied to by a "we need it to keep people safe, and the public support this measure" fob-off.
In theory I should stick around to try and change things, but it's like staying in a pool that other people are shitting in.
The Gestapo rounded up and executed the political opponents of Hitler. Thousands of Germans were killed in 1942. These people were not resistance fighters but students, trade unionists, 'communists', etc.
The Gestapo had V-men in every part of German society and bureaucracy. To suggest that they respected anyone's privacy is absurd.
The Gestapo were part of the SS, who killed several old men in my village in reprisal for a stolen map.
Please maintain a sense of perspective. What Britain is doing is frightening and stupid, but it is not comparable to the Gestapo, SS, Stasi, Guoanbu, KGB etc.
Signed, a refugee from Britain now living in a house in France once occupied by the SS.
And don't forget that private healthcare is available (and cheap too) in the UK, so you could spend the extra $3,400 per year per person you're spending on healthcare on private cover in the UK.
RANDOM ATHIEST: Damn you, Christian! We hate you! We claim to be tolerant of all religions. But we really hate your's! That's because we athiests are hypocritical like that! Die, Christian!
Man, these athiests sound crazy!
Do you think there's a chance that atheists could turn into these monstrous athiests?
OTOH, small "economy cars" are deathtraps no matter how you slice it. Poppycock.
Here in Europe, cars have never been safer (partly due to stringent EU crash test regimens), and have never been more economical (partly due to stringent EU emissions controls).
The amount of crimes prevented is unknown. "The cameras, which have been placed at the heart of crime prevention policy, may be more effective as a detection tool than as a deterrent, researchers found." Study cited here.
"For the most part CCTV did not produce reductions in crime and it did not make people feel safer." Different study, cited here: here.
You are quite right in everything you say.
One more thing, McBride should get burned for what he's done to SCO, IBM, Novell, AutoZone, and all others involved. It was a scam of epic proportions and took way too long. IMO. Furthermore -- and perhaps more likely -- he should face the music for stripping SCO's assets to give to his lawyer family/friends. This is hardly maximizing shareholder value.
The (admittedly foolhardy) investors have suffered, and are protected by law (I assume: I'm a foreigner).
PHP does support multiple statements...
In any case: yes, multi statement attacks would work Multiple statements are not supported, at least for the mysql driver:
mysql_query() sends an unique query (multiple queries are not supported) See PHP documentation.
Try setting up a database with two tables: multitest and multitest2. Put some rows in them.
Now try this:
$q = "select * from mutlitest; drop table multitest2";
$result = mysql_query($q);
because PHP didn't have mainstream prepared statements as part of a default standard install in its earlier versions, and now that it DOES have it, a lot of script kiddies or peanut gallery programmers aren't using them Indeed, but thankfully the PHP database drivers doesn't allow multiple statements to be passed in one query string: only the first statement is passed to the database.
Attacks of the nature "1; DROP TABLE users" just won't work.
So this particular attack wouldn't work on PHP.
And whatever 'real programmers' might think about 'gpc_magic_quotes', it *does* protect virtually all the 'peanut gallery programmers' from SQL injection attacks.
What few understood was Apple bought NeXT for their OS expertise not their hardware business NeXT stopped selling hardware in 1993, and were bought by Apple in 1996.
So I expect no-one thought Apple bought them for their hardware business.
Or did you manage to usefully run X11 on a 486 PC with 8 MB of RAM? My NeXTcomputer ran X11, NeXTStep and all the bells and whistles on a 25MHz 68040 and came with 8Mb of memory (but I upgraded it of course).
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Them claiming that hey dont need it is exactally why it becomes nothing and the court can step all over it like in this instance.
Where are these British people who claim they don't need a Bill of Rights?
In my experience, British people fall into one of three camps:
I have never heard a British person claim they don't need a Bill of Rights. I lived in Britain for 37 years.
One of the things that upholds the US constitution is its terseness, saneness, and closeness to the chartering of the national government itsself, although certainly its constant defence is the most critical.
[my italics]
I absolutely agree, and despair at the lack of outrage in Britain. If you could compare the justified anger on the Brits behalf here on Slashdot with the deafening silence in Britain you would be amazed.
If the british in this thread and in general dont respond to such a claim then is it any differnt than them not having a Bill of Rights in the first place?
I responded. I think that is one more person than has claimed that Britain doesn't need a Bill of Rights.
Although Gestapo was "owned" by SS, it was administered by the Reich Security Service.
The Reich Security Head Office (Reichssicherheitshauptamt) was part of the SS:
"The RSHA was the central SS-department; all official and secret police and security organs of the Third Reich were led by the RSHA"
The fact of German V-men has been a myth. Even in 1939, Gestapo employed only about 60-90 informers in Saar-Brucken area.
I don't find this statistic particularly compelling: Saarbrucken is quite a small place and 1939 was early the war.
Am just stating facts: yes in wartime people do get shot for stealing maps.
You misunderstand me. The resistance stole the map, the SS shot some innocent old men in reprisal. Because of this the resistance in the village were unable to operate in the area until after D-Day when they captured several tanks armed only with civilian weapons.
The same way iraqis are "collaterally killed" by US troops.
Reprisal attacks are not the same as 'collateral damage'. In fact the British RAF killed many times more French citizens in the area where I live than the Germans did: 14,800 in La Manche alone. That was 'collateral damage'.
What Britain is doing is very very frightful.
I quite agree, as stated in my post.
I just think that if you make statements which suggest the UK government passing laws (even as draconian as this one) is 'worse than the Gestapo ever was,' you undermine the credibility of your argument. The Gestapo weren't even subject to rule of law: the organisation was granted immunity from any judicial action by a law passed in 1936.
The Gestapo took people who had been denounced as enemies, and executed them without trial. By any objective measure that is worse than what the UK government is doing.
It's nice having a Bill of Rights, ain't it?
Laugh at all the British who say such a thing is unnecessary.
Who are all these British who say such a thing?
Britain has got a 'Bill of Rights': the Human Rights Act, which guarantees free speech, right to a fair trial (including the right not to incriminate oneself), etc, etc. This act formally enshrines rights that we've had under common law for centuries (eg, Habeas Corpus).
The fact that this court (not the highest in the land, mind) has chosen to interpret an encryption key as not covered under the right not to self-incriminate does not alter the fact that we also have constitutional rights.
So laugh away at your mythical British who say they don't need anything like the Bill of Rights.
Disclaimer: I think Britain is royally fucked anyway.
I left in 2007.
There wasn't one single thing that made me go, but the accumulative weight of paranoia and illiberalism.
Shamelessly ripped off from here:
Note that some of this predates 9/11.
The government is not-so-gradually putting in place all the mechanisms that a totalitarian police state needs.
What's sickening is that this is largely supported by or ignored by the public.
Every letter I wrote to my MP was replied to by a "we need it to keep people safe, and the public support this measure" fob-off.
In theory I should stick around to try and change things, but it's like staying in a pool that other people are shitting in.
Oh for fucks sake.
The Gestapo rounded up and executed the political opponents of Hitler. Thousands of Germans were killed in 1942. These people were not resistance fighters but students, trade unionists, 'communists', etc.
The Gestapo had V-men in every part of German society and bureaucracy. To suggest that they respected anyone's privacy is absurd.
The Gestapo were part of the SS, who killed several old men in my village in reprisal for a stolen map.
Please maintain a sense of perspective. What Britain is doing is frightening and stupid, but it is not comparable to the Gestapo, SS, Stasi, Guoanbu, KGB etc.
Signed, a refugee from Britain now living in a house in France once occupied by the SS.
Google *employees*. /sigh
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it hasn't worked anywhere
Really?
Notwithstanding the problems with the NHS, the UK has longer life expectancy than the US, lower rates of child mortality, and spends less than half as much on healthcare per head as the US.
And don't forget that private healthcare is available (and cheap too) in the UK, so you could spend the extra $3,400 per year per person you're spending on healthcare on private cover in the UK.
RANDOM ATHIEST: Damn you, Christian! We hate you! We claim to be tolerant of all religions. But we really hate your's! That's because we athiests are hypocritical like that! Die, Christian!
Man, these athiests sound crazy!
Do you think there's a chance that atheists could turn into these monstrous athiests?
...as though I'm asking the English and German to join forces against tooth decay.
At the risk of a 'whoosh', I aver that the UK and Germany have lower rates of tooth decay than the US.
Average decayed, missing & filled teeth for 12 year olds (latest available data):
Germany: 0.7
UK: 0.7
US: 1.19
Source: World Health Organisation.
Erm.
Web Developer extension bacame FF3 compatible on May 19, 2008.
See here.
There is no automatic right to free speech
Article 10 of the Human Rights Act guarantees freedom of speech (within certain limits).
See Human Rights Act.
Mind you, just a couple hundred years ago we were marrying 'em and making babies around... what, 14?
In Spain the age of consent is 13.
That's correct: a 40 year old man can legally have sex with a 13 year old.
Most European countries have an age of consent of 16, but many specify 15 and 14. Only Malta and Turkey set it at 18.
I blame women. No woman wants to go from weighing 95 units to weighing 209 units.
Great theory, but there are 2.2lbs in a kilo, not 2.2kg in a lb.
So a 95lb woman weighs about 43kg, not 209kg.
That was the Battle of the Beanfield.
The peer was the Earl of Cardigan.
The police largely got away with it, of course.
Here in Europe, cars have never been safer (partly due to stringent EU crash test regimens), and have never been more economical (partly due to stringent EU emissions controls).
The amount of crimes prevented is unknown. "The cameras, which have been placed at the heart of crime prevention policy, may be more effective as a detection tool than as a deterrent, researchers found." Study cited here.
"For the most part CCTV did not produce reductions in crime and it did not make people feel safer."
Different study, cited here: here.
And it's exactly how Apple supported OS9 when OSX came out.
It worked very well for the vast majority of programs.
The (admittedly foolhardy) investors have suffered, and are protected by law (I assume: I'm a foreigner).
Try setting up a database with two tables: multitest and multitest2. Put some rows in them.
Now try this:
$q = "select * from mutlitest; drop table multitest2";$result = mysql_query($q);
You will see that multitest2 was not dropped.
Attacks of the nature "1; DROP TABLE users" just won't work.
So this particular attack wouldn't work on PHP.
And whatever 'real programmers' might think about 'gpc_magic_quotes', it *does* protect virtually all the 'peanut gallery programmers' from SQL injection attacks.
So I expect no-one thought Apple bought them for their hardware business.
Fear not. It'll never happen.
One of the largest ISPs in Britain is Sky, owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Murdoch is pretty much the most powerful man in Britain. The government daren't piss off Murdoch.
And Murdoch's News International pays virtually no tax in the UK, and I doubt he's about to start.
Ofcom can say what they like, but HMG aren't going to be setting aside time to pass legislation which will hit Murdoch in the pocket.
Ofcom has no power to set taxes.
They are unelected, so have no need to please voters.
Their aims and views are at odds with government: empire-building vs not-getting-voted-out.
If HM Gubmint puts a levy on internet access on the say-so of Ofcom, I'm a banana.