So you have to pay $300 for VMware and anywhere from $100 to(what)$300(?) for windows. Does anyone else see the problem here? No business is going to pay double just so they can run
windows on linux.(and neither am I.) WTF?
Seems like they are using the auto industry model, where people upgrade their cars every 2 years(except for the poor who have to keep them til they fall apart). The problem with that is that cars are mechanical, and do tend to wear out. Software, on the other hand, is just electrons, that are good for as long as the medium that holds them isn't corrupted. It is a new type of product, and the companies need to find a new way of making money off of it, but most of them aren't looking, they are just using the old models. Suprising how conservitive this *cutting edge* industry is.
These guys make a great product, and put it out for free (beer and speech). They work hard for no money, and this letter is right on the money. If I don't pay for something, I'm not gonna expect tech support, or changes on my schedule. No one else should, either. It's like someone cooking up a meal for you, and serving it for free, and you picking it apart. This ain't Burger King, baby. If you want to have it your way, you need to help out and be patient. Hurray for Abisource making sure that people know where they stand
Avatar is a *real* word. Its definition is:
Function: noun
Etymology: Sanskrit avatAra descent, from avatarati he descends, from ava- away + tarati he crosses over -- more at UKASE, THROUGH
Date: 1784
1 : the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu)
2 a : an incarnation in human form b : an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
3 : a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity
From Miriam Webster online.
It predates SF and is just recycled like many other terms.
BRrrr, you live even further north than me. No solar isn't the solution for everyone. Or even a lot of people. My point is that $8,000 of initial cost plus the additional outrageous fuel replacement cost for every six hours of use, isn't a solutiion either. You can charge a couple of batteries up with your car(or truck)and hook them up to run a few things for six hours a hell of a lot cheaper than this--if not as cleanly. Hydrogen should be cheap, extraction is easy (high school physics teacher demonstrate it in the classroom), and storage isn't that difficult or expensive.
http://www.nrel.gov/research/pv/cust-sited.html
http://www.solarserver.de/solarmagazin/artikelma er z2001-e.html
http://www.windsun.com/PV_Stuff/pv_pricing.htm
Solar panels cost about $5.00 per watt X 1000 watts =$5000.00 plus batteries, a transformer, and some wiring =approx $8-10,000. I was told by a proffessional solar installer (he does 10 or more intallations a year from Maine to the Bahamas) that it would cost about $18,000-$20,000 to do my whole house. After the install I don't have to replace fuel cells every 6 hours, at over $400 a shot, either, just a battery once in a while.
It has taken me a while to get used to Gimp also. and I really like it. But. It's not Photoshop. Most businesses need something that they can use for print as well as the web, you just can't do that in Gimp yet, because you can't get a good resolution (or at least I haven't been able to). Linux really needs some decent apps for print; ie. something like Quark, Photoshop, and Illustrator, etc. I think it has made it in the office suites, because I think that as a standard MSWord sucks. As soon as I can get something very close to these puppies, I'll leave MS behind. The Gimp is a good start, and a fine program (for web work), but it's not enough.
Yes, this is the first Le Guin book that I read, and it was awesome. After that I read everything that I could get my hands on by her, including The Left Hand of Darkness. She is one of SF's best writers. Boy this has brought back memories(of reading 3 books a week, no time to do that now), time to dig all the old books out of the attic (I need more bookshelves). And the kids are old enough to start on the earthsea series.
I think that everybody here is pretty much agreed. Anything can be addicting, it's not the substance or game or whatever, it's the person using it. And psychologists can prove anything they want, with a minimum of data. I think it was Mark Twain who said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
How 'bout just putting it out with no copyright and a statement to that effect. Some musicians do this, as do some authors and artists. Someone out there is gonna say that this would make it easy for propriety software companies to grab it up and use it without revealing their source code, and not adding to the community. So what? They already do this, GPL won't stop them. Also Lawrence Lessig has a good article in this month's Wired, (which I don't believe is online yet, sorry) about open sourcing closed source code. Well worth reading for you all that are interested in the subject.
All very good questions, and, you know what, these are the very same questions that anarchists ask themselves and other anarchists. In The Dispossed by Ursula Leguin the anarchists moved to a different planet. Maybe to get to a really free, anarchistic society, we'll have to do something like that. I don't believe that though. You have to take as a starting point that human nature is not inherently evil, which goes against most religious and other teachings, and build from there.
Education of the real meaning of freedom, which has been twisted by every power hungry fool since, probably, Mesopotamia, is essential. There is always going to be someone trying to take power, and make people do what they want, but in a truly free society the people will know that it is wrong, and that person will have few, if any followers.
I agree with you that we may not be evolutionarily ready for anarchy, but if we can keep stumbling (and if you think we are doing more than stumbling, well...)in that direction, we'll get to it eventually.
I've seen a lot of shit in my lifetime, and most of that was caused by power hungry assholes (gov'ts, etc.) trying to twist things their own way, and that's why I believe in anarchy. That's why I look at anyone who tries to force me to do something, tries to tell me that I can't do what I want with my labor, as an enemy.
I think we both got a little hot under the collar here, passion will do that. I think that you're very passionate about free software, as is Richard Stallman, as am I. I think that we have different views on how to achieve the same goal, and I think sharing these views keeps us all honest. I embrace anarchy and you embrace free software, the world isn't quite ready yet for either one of these, yet, but if we keep educating people, and living the ideals that we embrace, we'll get there eventually.
There are no pat answers to your questions, I can't sit here in the state of Maine in the US and say that if this happens then we'll do this. For one thing I'm sure that there won't be just one type of anarchist society, since even now there are so many different flavors of anarchy.
For another I'm tired, and I'm sick, and I need a nap. (Getting old ya know.)
As far as evolution and response to threats of survival, I don't know if there's evidence in either direction, but anthro isn't my forte, and I'd have to study it more to give you any kind of cogent answer.
Take care of yourself and don't let the teens get you down.
I wasn't the fucking asshole who degenerated this into a snit match--you were. If you can't debate without resorting to telling someone to grow up then maybe you ought to keep quiet. You obviously think that anyone who disagrees with you isn't as smart, or, as old as you. For the record: I'm 42, I graduated from university with a 3.8 grade average, and I have an IQ of 140. I'm also self employed, have three kids, and own my own house. Anything else you need to know?
That's not too bad, then, for small apps.
I can't take over the world with it yet, but just you wait...BWAHahaaaaaaaaa......
No but seriously, as an artist, stuff like this is fascinating, it leads to all sorts of artistic "hacks". The possibilities are exciting.
So how long will this battery last? It's non rechargable, and "good for low drain situations" according to the site. This would be good for many things if there was a decent battery life.
Cool! I haven't used Galeon before, I prefer Opera, but, the reason that I prefer Opera is because of the tabbed windows in the browser. I didn't know that Gecko did this, so now I'm going to have to give it a try. I love Opera, but I have an email client, and an chat client, I want a browser and it looks like Galeon might fit that bill.
Assumptions make an ASS out of U and ME. I'm probably older than you. An I always think before I post. I don't care for people who take cheap shots, or who use their Karma to do so.
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So you have to pay $300 for VMware and anywhere from $100 to(what)$300(?) for windows. Does anyone else see the problem here? No business is going to pay double just so they can run
windows on linux.(and neither am I.) WTF?
Seems like they are using the auto industry model, where people upgrade their cars every 2 years(except for the poor who have to keep them til they fall apart). The problem with that is that cars are mechanical, and do tend to wear out. Software, on the other hand, is just electrons, that are good for as long as the medium that holds them isn't corrupted. It is a new type of product, and the companies need to find a new way of making money off of it, but most of them aren't looking, they are just using the old models. Suprising how conservitive this *cutting edge* industry is.
Who will watch the watchman?
These guys make a great product, and put it out for free (beer and speech). They work hard for no money, and this letter is right on the money. If I don't pay for something, I'm not gonna expect tech support, or changes on my schedule. No one else should, either. It's like someone cooking up a meal for you, and serving it for free, and you picking it apart. This ain't Burger King, baby. If you want to have it your way, you need to help out and be patient. Hurray for Abisource making sure that people know where they stand
Avatar is a *real* word. Its definition is:
Function: noun
Etymology: Sanskrit avatAra descent, from avatarati he descends, from ava- away + tarati he crosses over -- more at UKASE, THROUGH
Date: 1784
1 : the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu)
2 a : an incarnation in human form b : an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
3 : a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity
From Miriam Webster online.
It predates SF and is just recycled like many other terms.
Pritty piktoors!
I say mod this guy up. Thanks, that was very informative.
BRrrr, you live even further north than me. No solar isn't the solution for everyone. Or even a lot of people. My point is that $8,000 of initial cost plus the additional outrageous fuel replacement cost for every six hours of use, isn't a solutiion either. You can charge a couple of batteries up with your car(or truck)and hook them up to run a few things for six hours a hell of a lot cheaper than this--if not as cleanly. Hydrogen should be cheap, extraction is easy (high school physics teacher demonstrate it in the classroom), and storage isn't that difficult or expensive.
http://www.nrel.gov/research/pv/cust-sited.htmla er z2001-e.html
http://www.solarserver.de/solarmagazin/artikelm
http://www.windsun.com/PV_Stuff/pv_pricing.htm
Solar panels cost about $5.00 per watt X 1000 watts =$5000.00 plus batteries, a transformer, and some wiring =approx $8-10,000. I was told by a proffessional solar installer (he does 10 or more intallations a year from Maine to the Bahamas) that it would cost about $18,000-$20,000 to do my whole house. After the install I don't have to replace fuel cells every 6 hours, at over $400 a shot, either, just a battery once in a while.
That's why you use batteries to store it with.
You can put in this much solar capacity, or more, for this price. And guess what, no noise.
Absolutely right. I tried that too, and nothing in Opera. Of course the page wouldn't load completely either.
Sorry to say, but they work in Opera, too.
After reading documents for 3 hours I was finally able to get it to work (sort of).
Which all that most people can do with a windows network, also.
It has taken me a while to get used to Gimp also. and I really like it. But. It's not Photoshop. Most businesses need something that they can use for print as well as the web, you just can't do that in Gimp yet, because you can't get a good resolution (or at least I haven't been able to). Linux really needs some decent apps for print; ie. something like Quark, Photoshop, and Illustrator, etc. I think it has made it in the office suites, because I think that as a standard MSWord sucks. As soon as I can get something very close to these puppies, I'll leave MS behind. The Gimp is a good start, and a fine program (for web work), but it's not enough.
Yes, this is the first Le Guin book that I read, and it was awesome. After that I read everything that I could get my hands on by her, including The Left Hand of Darkness. She is one of SF's best writers. Boy this has brought back memories(of reading 3 books a week, no time to do that now), time to dig all the old books out of the attic (I need more bookshelves). And the kids are old enough to start on the earthsea series.
I think that everybody here is pretty much agreed. Anything can be addicting, it's not the substance or game or whatever, it's the person using it. And psychologists can prove anything they want, with a minimum of data. I think it was Mark Twain who said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Why is this modded as offtopic. Some snotty nosed moderator, so addicted that he can't remember what the subject was?
How 'bout just putting it out with no copyright and a statement to that effect. Some musicians do this, as do some authors and artists. Someone out there is gonna say that this would make it easy for propriety software companies to grab it up and use it without revealing their source code, and not adding to the community. So what? They already do this, GPL won't stop them. Also Lawrence Lessig has a good article in this month's Wired, (which I don't believe is online yet, sorry) about open sourcing closed source code. Well worth reading for you all that are interested in the subject.
All very good questions, and, you know what, these are the very same questions that anarchists ask themselves and other anarchists. In The Dispossed by Ursula Leguin the anarchists moved to a different planet. Maybe to get to a really free, anarchistic society, we'll have to do something like that. I don't believe that though. You have to take as a starting point that human nature is not inherently evil, which goes against most religious and other teachings, and build from there.
Education of the real meaning of freedom, which has been twisted by every power hungry fool since, probably, Mesopotamia, is essential. There is always going to be someone trying to take power, and make people do what they want, but in a truly free society the people will know that it is wrong, and that person will have few, if any followers.
I agree with you that we may not be evolutionarily ready for anarchy, but if we can keep stumbling (and if you think we are doing more than stumbling, well...)in that direction, we'll get to it eventually.
I've seen a lot of shit in my lifetime, and most of that was caused by power hungry assholes (gov'ts, etc.) trying to twist things their own way, and that's why I believe in anarchy. That's why I look at anyone who tries to force me to do something, tries to tell me that I can't do what I want with my labor, as an enemy.
I think we both got a little hot under the collar here, passion will do that. I think that you're very passionate about free software, as is Richard Stallman, as am I. I think that we have different views on how to achieve the same goal, and I think sharing these views keeps us all honest. I embrace anarchy and you embrace free software, the world isn't quite ready yet for either one of these, yet, but if we keep educating people, and living the ideals that we embrace, we'll get there eventually.
There are no pat answers to your questions, I can't sit here in the state of Maine in the US and say that if this happens then we'll do this. For one thing I'm sure that there won't be just one type of anarchist society, since even now there are so many different flavors of anarchy.
For another I'm tired, and I'm sick, and I need a nap. (Getting old ya know.)
As far as evolution and response to threats of survival, I don't know if there's evidence in either direction, but anthro isn't my forte, and I'd have to study it more to give you any kind of cogent answer.
Take care of yourself and don't let the teens get you down.
That's not too bad, then, for small apps.
I can't take over the world with it yet, but just you wait...BWAHahaaaaaaaaa......
No but seriously, as an artist, stuff like this is fascinating, it leads to all sorts of artistic "hacks". The possibilities are exciting.
So how long will this battery last? It's non rechargable, and "good for low drain situations" according to the site. This would be good for many things if there was a decent battery life.
Cool! I haven't used Galeon before, I prefer Opera, but, the reason that I prefer Opera is because of the tabbed windows in the browser. I didn't know that Gecko did this, so now I'm going to have to give it a try. I love Opera, but I have an email client, and an chat client, I want a browser and it looks like Galeon might fit that bill.
Assumptions make an ASS out of U and ME. I'm probably older than you. An I always think before I post. I don't care for people who take cheap shots, or who use their Karma to do so.