Out of over 200 comments, so far, there have only been a couple of mentions of the license agreement fiasco. Why is this? Does the Slashdot community forget so soon? This was a really big thing less than 2 weeks ago, and now everyone's happy because Borland is releasing a C++ compiler for linux, hmmm. This seems hypocritical to me. Borland never really apologized for their EULA, they just excused it as a mistake made by their lawyers.See this. There enterprise agreement is not industry standard, it is ridiculous. I guess that it doesn't matter what a company does, as long as it's not Microsoft. It's hard to replace an OS, but not so hard to replace an app--I, personally, would use someting a little less polished, rather than support a company that claims to support a community, but, really, doesn't.
I'm really not trying to be a troll here, I just thought that this needed to be brought up, and, discussed.
Art is much more pure without money anyway. Actually this isn't true, and is more a 20th century myth than anything. Some of the greatest art in the world was made to order. Renaissance art, for instance, was subsidized by great patrons, such as the Medicis. Artists should get paid, they make objects that are worth something, and should be compensated for it. If someone can find a way to make a living from their art, I say good for them, because it's one of the hardest ways that I know of to make a living. That's why I do other stuff to make a living, and, basically do my art for myself--I certainly haven't made a living with it.
This is from Photshop 5.5's EULA:
11. Compliance with Licenses. If you are a business or organization, you agree that upon request of Adobe or Adobe's authorized representative, you will within thirty (30) days fully document and certify that your use of any and all Adobe software at the time of the request is in conformity with your valid licenses from Adobe.
Nowhere does it say that they can come on your premises and check for you. I can deal with a license like that. It is a big deal when companies act like the Mafia(or the government), or at least threaten to. It's still not a 'standard' license, and if it is, that just shows how bad the software industry is getting.
You can still see some really good bands for less than $20 a ticket. The high price shows are the bigger name, or more popular, (not necessarily better) bands, and the older ones who still think that they're worth the money (most of them aren't). Quality from the independents seems to be increasing, while the stuff that the big companies are putting out seems to be decreasing in quality. Maybe the smart, good, artists are getting a clue?
Also, from the wording of the letter it looks like they are going to leave these clauses in enterprise editions of the software. Correct me if I'm wrong. Does anyone know different?
So here we have free, and free alternative to Napster, which has always been proprietary anyways (correct me if I'm wrong). Not that it wasn't a good and neat thing in it's day. Now you have to pay $10.00 a month for 50 downloads and it seems to have only a 50% success rate. First of all that's a ridiculous rate for mp3s (or.nap's) (especially when you could join a CD club and get your music about that cheap), and you can only play them on your computer. I wouldn't even try it, just because of the price, never mind how bad the service seems to be. Seems to me that Napster is out of the running, and open source alternatives are where it's at for P2P, and maybe it would be better to focus on them, rather than hang on to the dieing. In think that it's time for Shawn to move on to other things, and wish him luck.
Actually I did it to prove a point, and I had some Karma to burn off. Anyways, I'm glad that the parents, and a bunch of other stuff in the thread, got modded up.
Sorry, but I didn't see much grilling going on, and Tiemann really didn't say anything that isn't said on Slashdot about 100 times a day, and he avoided several questions. Yes, he's an "industry leader"(which gives a little weight to his words), but I can't see where there was any meat on that grill. That was a waste of 2.5 minutes of my day.
Which is true, as I see when I wade through all the crap/legaleze, but it still sets a precedent, and it still puts stuff that is already in the public domain back under copyright. On a side note--since many copyrights are held by corporations, and corporations don't die, when does that expire?
Copyrights last 95 years [everything2.com] unless you're a freelancer creating works on or after 1 Jan 1978, in which case they last life plus 70. (To renew a copyright for 20 years, simply stuff millions of dollars into the pockets of both parties in the United States and all major parties in the European Union.) Either way, they last additionally until December 31.
...and, if the new laws that Bush and Ashcroft want, get passed, stuff in the public domain will be able to be re-copyrighted.
I agree that capitalism is the best way to distribute resources, but that ain't what's happening in the record industry (or most other big business). These corporations get gov't support, and preferential treatment, and, are, probably, the biggest welfare recipients in the world. They are not capitalists, they are legal fictions.
had something similar in Wired a few months ago. He proposed that software be held in trust by the patent office, (or was it copyright?), and when the patent(copyright) expired(a shorter time than regular copyright, because of the nature of software), be put out to the public. Sounds good to me.
Rob makes a good point in his predictions, and it's something that I see on/. alot. Lots of people out there want to make Linux a Cathederal, with only the 7337 using it. OSS is not about that (or shouldn't be), but it seems that some people on/.,and in the free software movement don't get that. Not everyone by any means, but just enough to make many people say that they don't want to be involved in this crap. Linux started out in the Bazaar, as did most free/open software, and I think that most of the programmers *get* this, but, I think that many others don't, and they only use Linux because it's not mainstream. So they feel special. There's nothing wrong with this, per se., but by trying to keep linux elite, they put it in the Cathederal, which is not what it's supposed to be about. I think that Linux can be mainstreamed without dumbing it down, and that it needs to be, or the bazaar loses.
Yes, our tax dollars should fund it - then free speech would be safe from the corporate interests. Yeah, but the corporations control the gov't too, so how do you figure that'll keep us safe. (And,even if that last sentence isn't true, the gov't ain't so hot for free speech lately, either.)
I agree. Starship Troopers is not a fascist,hiphip hurrah for us war book. There is a lot of political discussion in the book. Haldeman's book is as antiwar as you can get, and quite different from Heinlein's. They both are excellent books, they come from different eras, though, and have different viewpoints.
Arrgh!!! That'll teach me to make corrections, and, then, post directly. Here's what I said in ungarbled condition:
Don't forget that businesses have to pay for a Windows license. Also your box cost more, because Windows was installed on it. When I can buy a whole OS for $300, where's the sense in buying something, for about the same price, so that I can simulate it on another OS?
Don't forget that businesses have to pay for a Windows license. Also your box cost more, because Windows was installed on it. When I can buy a whole OS for $300, where's the sense in buying somethingsimulate it on another OS?
My stepdaughter uses Abiword at home (on Win98) and MSWord in school. There are very few things that you can't do in Abiword, that you can in MSWord.(Like put charts into a document, I haven't figured that out yet.) She saves in RTF here and can take it to school on a floppy. Probably StarOffice would be a better program for us, but I haven't taken the time to download it yet, and last time I tried it on Linux (a year or so ago) I couldn't get it to work for me.
Slashdot Mirror
Do they make one for lefties? Or is it just like everything else in this right-hand centric world?
Out of over 200 comments, so far, there have only been a couple of mentions of the license agreement fiasco. Why is this? Does the Slashdot community forget so soon? This was a really big thing less than 2 weeks ago, and now everyone's happy because Borland is releasing a C++ compiler for linux, hmmm. This seems hypocritical to me. Borland never really apologized for their EULA, they just excused it as a mistake made by their lawyers.See this. There enterprise agreement is not industry standard, it is ridiculous. I guess that it doesn't matter what a company does, as long as it's not Microsoft. It's hard to replace an OS, but not so hard to replace an app--I, personally, would use someting a little less polished, rather than support a company that claims to support a community, but, really, doesn't.
I'm really not trying to be a troll here, I just thought that this needed to be brought up, and, discussed.
All sorts of rumors flying around about AOL/TW in the past few days.
Art is much more pure without money anyway.
Actually this isn't true, and is more a 20th century myth than anything. Some of the greatest art in the world was made to order. Renaissance art, for instance, was subsidized by great patrons, such as the Medicis. Artists should get paid, they make objects that are worth something, and should be compensated for it. If someone can find a way to make a living from their art, I say good for them, because it's one of the hardest ways that I know of to make a living. That's why I do other stuff to make a living, and, basically do my art for myself--I certainly haven't made a living with it.
I can't wait, and neither can the kids.
This is from Photshop 5.5's EULA:
11. Compliance with Licenses. If you are a business or organization, you agree that upon request of Adobe or Adobe's authorized representative, you will within thirty (30) days fully document and certify that your use of any and all Adobe software at the time of the request is in conformity with your valid licenses from Adobe.
Nowhere does it say that they can come on your premises and check for you. I can deal with a license like that. It is a big deal when companies act like the Mafia(or the government), or at least threaten to. It's still not a 'standard' license, and if it is, that just shows how bad the software industry is getting.
You can still see some really good bands for less than $20 a ticket. The high price shows are the bigger name, or more popular, (not necessarily better) bands, and the older ones who still think that they're worth the money (most of them aren't). Quality from the independents seems to be increasing, while the stuff that the big companies are putting out seems to be decreasing in quality. Maybe the smart, good, artists are getting a clue?
Also, from the wording of the letter it looks like they are going to leave these clauses in enterprise editions of the software. Correct me if I'm wrong. Does anyone know different?
So here we have free, and free alternative to Napster, which has always been proprietary anyways (correct me if I'm wrong). Not that it wasn't a good and neat thing in it's day. Now you have to pay $10.00 a month for 50 downloads and it seems to have only a 50% success rate. First of all that's a ridiculous rate for mp3s (or .nap's) (especially when you could join a CD club and get your music about that cheap), and you can only play them on your computer. I wouldn't even try it, just because of the price, never mind how bad the service seems to be. Seems to me that Napster is out of the running, and open source alternatives are where it's at for P2P, and maybe it would be better to focus on them, rather than hang on to the dieing. In think that it's time for Shawn to move on to other things, and wish him luck.
Actually I did it to prove a point, and I had some Karma to burn off. Anyways, I'm glad that the parents, and a bunch of other stuff in the thread, got modded up.
Why is every post on this thread modded to troll or flamebait--jeesus can't anyone have any fun on /. anymore? Must be newbie moderators.
...And, yes, this is a troll.
Sorry, but I didn't see much grilling going on, and Tiemann really didn't say anything that isn't said on Slashdot about 100 times a day, and he avoided several questions. Yes, he's an "industry leader"(which gives a little weight to his words), but I can't see where there was any meat on that grill. That was a waste of 2.5 minutes of my day.
Which is true, as I see when I wade through all the crap/legaleze, but it still sets a precedent, and it still puts stuff that is already in the public domain back under copyright. On a side note--since many copyrights are held by corporations, and corporations don't die, when does that expire?
Copyrights last 95 years [everything2.com] unless you're a freelancer creating works on or after 1 Jan 1978, in which case they last life plus 70. (To renew a copyright for 20 years, simply stuff millions of dollars into the pockets of both parties in the United States and all major parties in the European Union.) Either way, they last additionally until December 31.
...and, if the new laws that Bush and Ashcroft want, get passed, stuff in the public domain will be able to be re-copyrighted.
Thank you...I knew that I'd seen this damn thing before, and it was driving me crazy.
I agree that capitalism is the best way to distribute resources, but that ain't what's happening in the record industry (or most other big business). These corporations get gov't support, and preferential treatment, and, are, probably, the biggest welfare recipients in the world. They are not capitalists, they are legal fictions.
If this is a Clear Channel company, are they going to let you download anything worth downloading, anyways? Or will they have a list?
had something similar in Wired a few months ago. He proposed that software be held in trust by the patent office, (or was it copyright?), and when the patent(copyright) expired(a shorter time than regular copyright, because of the nature of software), be put out to the public. Sounds good to me.
Yeah, I ran Geos on my C64. How many 5.25" floppies did it take?
Rob makes a good point in his predictions, and it's something that I see on /. alot. Lots of people out there want to make Linux a Cathederal, with only the 7337 using it. OSS is not about that (or shouldn't be), but it seems that some people on /. ,and in the free software movement don't get that. Not everyone by any means, but just enough to make many people say that they don't want to be involved in this crap. Linux started out in the Bazaar, as did most free/open software, and I think that most of the programmers *get* this, but, I think that many others don't, and they only use Linux because it's not mainstream. So they feel special. There's nothing wrong with this, per se., but by trying to keep linux elite, they put it in the Cathederal, which is not what it's supposed to be about. I think that Linux can be mainstreamed without dumbing it down, and that it needs to be, or the bazaar loses.
Yes, our tax dollars should fund it - then free speech would be safe from the corporate interests. Yeah, but the corporations control the gov't too, so how do you figure that'll keep us safe. (And,even if that last sentence isn't true, the gov't ain't so hot for free speech lately, either.)
I agree. Starship Troopers is not a fascist ,hiphip hurrah for us war book. There is a lot of political discussion in the book. Haldeman's book is as antiwar as you can get, and quite different from Heinlein's. They both are excellent books, they come from different eras, though, and have different viewpoints.
Arrgh!!! That'll teach me to make corrections, and, then, post directly. Here's what I said in ungarbled condition:
Don't forget that businesses have to pay for a Windows license. Also your box cost more, because Windows was installed on it. When I can buy a whole OS for $300, where's the sense in buying something, for about the same price, so that I can simulate it on another OS?
Don't forget that businesses have to pay for a Windows license. Also your box cost more, because Windows was installed on it. When I can buy a whole OS for $300, where's the sense in buying somethingsimulate it on another OS?
My stepdaughter uses Abiword at home (on Win98) and MSWord in school. There are very few things that you can't do in Abiword, that you can in MSWord.(Like put charts into a document, I haven't figured that out yet.) She saves in RTF here and can take it to school on a floppy. Probably StarOffice would be a better program for us, but I haven't taken the time to download it yet, and last time I tried it on Linux (a year or so ago) I couldn't get it to work for me.