I'll give you some more hints: feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, welcoming strangers, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned, helping orphans and widows in their distress, racial equality, philanthropy, love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self-control, etc.
I don't see how "god loves me much more than he loves you" leads to any of this.
I do however see that "god loves us all and it makes him happy if we help each other" or "there is no god but kant was a wise man" or "if i help you maybe you help me too sometimes" leads to the wonderful things you described.
What if they have the exact same religion as one of the ones on Earth? Then it must be the correct one, and there's no such thing as faith anymore, and at least 80% of the Earth's population was wrong all along.
I state that all the monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianism, Islam) plus all their derived cults and sects are pretty much the same anyways, derived from pretty much the same sources with pretty much the same goals and similar rites and cermonies.
That never stopped a certain kind of "religious people" from killing each other over it.
Considering the unique role of Jesus Christ, this would also be unlikely to be allowed by God.
Hmm. So Jesus died for our sins but didn't die for their sins, and they didn't have their own Jesus either? This can only mean that god loves us so much more than he loves them.
I don't have to tell you what that kind of thinking usually leads to, do I? (hints: crusades, 9/11, war, torture, genocide, holocaust, terrorism)
So it's about the cost to you, not about the lives?
Please remember the initial assumption that it would be cheaper to save more lives that are lost in separate incidents as opposed to less lives that are lost in one big incident.
That's it? It's an economic decision?
If we assume that we can save the same number of lives then, yes, it's purely economic.
If we assume that we save less lives by spending more (our initial assumption) it doesn't matter, since the "spend more" option is wrong no matter what you base the decision on.
If the assumption is that we can save more lives by spending more then deciding purely because of economics would be pretty heartless, but that wasn't what i was talking about.
I see the problem here, you're just simply an asshole.
Um, did you forget how "well off" they were under Saddam already?
No.
Nevertheless I believe that Iraq, the whole Middle East and by extension the world as a whole would have been better off without this war.
Yes, Saddam Hussein was evil and it is a good thing he's gone. He should have been removed from power long ago, but obviously human rights are only valued if there is something (money, power or both) to gain by doing so [1]. Him being gone now is better than him still in power, and I have no problem with the fact that there's one more dictatoial mass murderer who faces at least some kind of penalty for his deeds. Maybe someday I'll even need to use two hands' fingers to count those.
The problem isn't that Saddam Hussein has lost his power, the problem is that the current war is a friggin' ad campaign for Al Qaeda.
The problem isn't that Saddam Hussein is gone but that the war is either turning into a second Vietnam[2] (if the US tries to force democracy upon people that don't want it and violently oppose it, no matter if those are the majority or only a very vocal minority) or that iraq turns into some kind of post-war Afghanistan with different warlord-style leaders in place. I see no way that the different people (shiites, sunni, kurds,...) will be living together in peace and i see no reasonable way to divide the country either (turkey would never allow that to happen, and actually the possibility was ruled out right from the start anyways).
It would be great if it all worked out well, actually I would love my predictions to be wrong. I don't want to look like some US-hating pseudo-european-nationalist or anything, I just see no way for this to end with anything that could reasonably be described as "better than Saddam Hussein".
[1] Please note that I don't intend to solely critisize the US for supporting S. H., there are other countries that (also) gained lots from him being in power and the UN sanctions only helped with that.
[2] Which would even amplify the "ad campaign for Al Qaeda" problem.
Thankfully, for a time, the government ignored the ignorant protesters and decided to help Iraq.
Beause iraq is so much better off now. But it seems your idea of "help" matches your idea of how a government in a democratic country should run things.
So how is it easier to prevent 1000 seperate incidents, than just one?
If you can prevent 1000 incidents for $10 each it is easier (=cheaper) to prevent those 1000 than if you prevent one incident for $(10000 + n) where n>0.
Better timing of the 9-11 attacks would have killed 15,000+ people. A hundred pounds of nerve agent in an enclosed stadium could easily kill 100,000 people. Infrastructure attacks are best not to think about if you want to sleep soundly.
Absolutely. That's what i meant to express with my last statement, but you did it way better.
I go downtown and lure small children into my car with candy, money, and toys. Then I drive them to my house and ask them to click on I Agree, Yes, or Ok.
As for your comment about "mere thousands", that's just sick. You should be ashamed of yourself.
While every loss is to mourn, he's perfectly right: What terrorists did in the USA, Spain, Turkey and elsewhere in the world is ridiculous compared to the number of deaths in (for example) car accidents. Please also note that such accidents are probably way more easy to prevent than terrorist strikes.
Wanting to prevent terrorists from obtaining means to do more serious damage (nuclear/biological weapons) is of course reasonable. (The war in Iraq is IMO doing the exact opposite of that, but that's not the topic of this discussion.)
An Application is more than its User Interface. It may be just a little more or a whole lot more. The UI may be the main part or just a tiny interface to a very complex and big system, but the UI is never the only part.
HTML is very different, because even though it's possible to do so, you don't need to build a whole application based on it. A web page without anything but <html>, <body>, <h1> and plain text is perfectly reasonable. An application that doesn't do anything but display text in two different fonts isn't.
which is reputed to be the fastest swimming species of penguin in the world. And as Gentoo has a reputation of being fast, it's only fitting.
No no, you got it all wrong. It's the penguin species with the longest incubation time. Gentoo penguins breed their eggs for up to thirteen months while their babies compil^w mature.
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Here are some simple instructions on how to build a simple little cnc router
I'll stay with cisco, thankyouverymuch.
(j/k, of course i know what a cnc router is.)
Wow. Rebuild it and have the Jews, Buddhists and Hindus burn it, too. For great just^w^w good measure.
I don't see how "god loves me much more than he loves you" leads to any of this.
I do however see that "god loves us all and it makes him happy if we help each other" or "there is no god but kant was a wise man" or "if i help you maybe you help me too sometimes" leads to the wonderful things you described.
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Well, if we ignore some tentacles or bundle them together, maybe like the star of david. Now that would be funny in some wicked retro kind of way.
I state that all the monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianism, Islam) plus all their derived cults and sects are pretty much the same anyways, derived from pretty much the same sources with pretty much the same goals and similar rites and cermonies.
That never stopped a certain kind of "religious people" from killing each other over it.
Hmm. So Jesus died for our sins but didn't die for their sins, and they didn't have their own Jesus either? This can only mean that god loves us so much more than he loves them.
I don't have to tell you what that kind of thinking usually leads to, do I? (hints: crusades, 9/11, war, torture, genocide, holocaust, terrorism)
Please remember the initial assumption that it would be cheaper to save more lives that are lost in separate incidents as opposed to less lives that are lost in one big incident.
If we assume that we can save the same number of lives then, yes, it's purely economic.
If we assume that we save less lives by spending more (our initial assumption) it doesn't matter, since the "spend more" option is wrong no matter what you base the decision on.
If the assumption is that we can save more lives by spending more then deciding purely because of economics would be pretty heartless, but that wasn't what i was talking about.
I see the problem here, you can't read.
No.
Nevertheless I believe that Iraq, the whole Middle East and by extension the world as a whole would have been better off without this war.
Yes, Saddam Hussein was evil and it is a good thing he's gone. He should have been removed from power long ago, but obviously human rights are only valued if there is something (money, power or both) to gain by doing so [1]. Him being gone now is better than him still in power, and I have no problem with the fact that there's one more dictatoial mass murderer who faces at least some kind of penalty for his deeds. Maybe someday I'll even need to use two hands' fingers to count those.
The problem isn't that Saddam Hussein has lost his power, the problem is that the current war is a friggin' ad campaign for Al Qaeda.
The problem isn't that Saddam Hussein is gone but that the war is either turning into a second Vietnam[2] (if the US tries to force democracy upon people that don't want it and violently oppose it, no matter if those are the majority or only a very vocal minority) or that iraq turns into some kind of post-war Afghanistan with different warlord-style leaders in place. I see no way that the different people (shiites, sunni, kurds,
It would be great if it all worked out well, actually I would love my predictions to be wrong. I don't want to look like some US-hating pseudo-european-nationalist or anything, I just see no way for this to end with anything that could reasonably be described as "better than Saddam Hussein".
[1] Please note that I don't intend to solely critisize the US for supporting S. H., there are other countries that (also) gained lots from him being in power and the UN sanctions only helped with that.
[2] Which would even amplify the "ad campaign for Al Qaeda" problem.
Beause iraq is so much better off now. But it seems your idea of "help" matches your idea of how a government in a democratic country should run things.
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How about a commandline interface (using wget) to the web interface to the GUI wrapper to the commandline interface to ... oh wait..
If you can prevent 1000 incidents for $10 each it is easier (=cheaper) to prevent those 1000 than if you prevent one incident for $(10000 + n) where n>0.
Absolutely. That's what i meant to express with my last statement, but you did it way better.
So that's what Dutroux really was after?
While every loss is to mourn, he's perfectly right: What terrorists did in the USA, Spain, Turkey and elsewhere in the world is ridiculous compared to the number of deaths in (for example) car accidents. Please also note that such accidents are probably way more easy to prevent than terrorist strikes.
Wanting to prevent terrorists from obtaining means to do more serious damage (nuclear/biological weapons) is of course reasonable. (The war in Iraq is IMO doing the exact opposite of that, but that's not the topic of this discussion.)
Dave: Shuffle the letters, HAL.
HAL: I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.
An Application is more than its User Interface. It may be just a little more or a whole lot more. The UI may be the main part or just a tiny interface to a very complex and big system, but the UI is never the only part.
HTML is very different, because even though it's possible to do so, you don't need to build a whole application based on it. A web page without anything but <html>, <body>, <h1> and plain text is perfectly reasonable. An application that doesn't do anything but display text in two different fonts isn't.
Unix, obviously.
No no, you got it all wrong. It's the penguin species with the longest incubation time. Gentoo penguins breed their eggs for up to thirteen months while their babies compil^w mature.
j/k, using gentoo myself.
not sure... what color is that distro?
And don't forget to call Deb,Ian and Susie and tell them about the tragic loss.
vi can't do this, but i heared there is a new mode for emacs