SCO can sue anyone they want. If all they get is the name of the person who gave them the code, that's their right.
They're SCO's secrets. The copyrights are Novell's, but since SCO wanted them kept secret, they didn't need the copyrights. Novell owned the copyrights, but couldn't show the code to anyone without infringing SCO's IP. That is, if Novell isn't lying.
SCO isn't trying to taint all of linux. It just wants its IP taken out of the code base. If they would show which items are infringing, that can be done very easily. But they're jerking people around with that, too.
You can sue SCO if you want. Be my guest. Just don't pretend that they don't own what they do own, or the court will be kicking you out of the door and making you pay for everyone's time.
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This thing couldn't work in a million years.
The thermometer isn't in the beer, it's hooked directly to the copper plate atop the peltier device.
Without a crystal goblet and gobs of thermal goop, he's going to cool his thermometer probe and some air and not much else. Actually, he should just leave the beer in the can. Aluminum has a thermal conductivity of 205 W/m-K, and glass does 0.8 W/m-K. The thinner can* and 250X increase in k will make his project more successful, but still a candidate for/. troll of the year.
I'd be willing to bet that the metal rails of that "caffetiere" are transmitting more heat to the sides of the glass than the copper plate is taking from the base.
* - say the base of his glass is 4 mm thick, and the can is 0.2 mm thick (it could be less), then the glass will have a thermal conductance of 200 W/K and the can will have a thermal conductance of 1.03e6 W/K.
Some of thes "hackers" are TiVo software engineers looking for ways to implement new features. TiVo doesn't deliberately encourage outside hacking, but like any good programmer writes the code so that certain future enhancements will be easier to write. And it will, if necessary, increase the difficulty of mods that are found to cause loss of revenue or rights.
Nothing draconian or manipulative about it. Just sofware engineering and defensive coding.
"The thing about trade secret is, it only applies to secrets. "
IANAL or anything, but you ought to read the law some time, instead of trying to "get it" from the superficial semantics of a term.
Leaked trade secrets are still protected. Anyone who passes them or implements them for profit owes the owner...something. The trade secret status of UNIX is intact, since AT&T did due diligence once it discovered the Lions book was being published.
>>Someone is going to have to prove that code wasn't cribbed.
>Just the opposite.
Plaintiff will argue that it's substantially identical. Defense will have to argue the other side and show that it's not. Since SCO are only going to bring the substantially identical portions, that's going to be hard to do. Proving something in civil court doesn't require that it be true, only that you believe it is true and can assert it more convincingly than your opponent can assert his beliefs.
These guys say they have hundreds of lines of infringing code. That's evidence.
Someone is going to have to prove that code wasn't cribbed. How do you even start to do that?
Sounds to me like a court can only agree that they were wronged.
This won't take ten years. It's not like the IBM or AT&T or Microsoft monopoly cases, which risked their corporate existence. IBM will figure the odds on this sliver of their enterprise that's not supposed to have any big costs associated with it, and settle. But you can bet they won't spend a second protecting anyone else using linux.
Everything about the source code to Unix is a secret because the source code was never published without strict controls by the owner of the code. AT&T did perform due diligence when it discovered Lions was publishing the code. Anyone who used that code for anything other than reasons related to their access to that code has stolen it. If it appears in linux, SCO can take it back, or recover damages and impose licensing terms and fees on everyone using linux, or the derivatives using the stolen code.
Now it turns out Novell says it still owns the copyright to the code, but someone owns the trade secrets in the code, and whether that's Novell or SCO remains to be revealed by these chiseling idiots.
Son, don't pretend that the semantics of the word define the legal concept.
ESR can not establish that the community owns the trade secret simply because it knows it, and especially not if only a few people learned it because of a failure by sublicensees of UNIX to implement NDAs properly. That's the law.
SCO owns the IP. If they can show their IP is in the linux distros, they can stop the distribution of linux. That's the law.
Anyone who wants to break the law must be an anti-ESR troll, to you. Fine. Get some psychological care and check back when you learn how to read the law.
"Attacking France and making them do all the typing," garnered 7012 points, until someone pointed out the German constitution forbids it.
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No, it wasn't widely available. The Lions book is famous precisely because of what it was.
And it doesn't matter if the trade secret "gets out". The owner of that trade secret still owns it, and anyone passing it along (e.g., as part of an open-source operating system, hint, hint) is open to action from the owner.
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Unless you own your own zip-code (Ted Turner) this does not affect your "rights" in any way.
SCO can sue anyone they want. If all they get is the name of the person who gave them the code, that's their right.
They're SCO's secrets. The copyrights are Novell's, but since SCO wanted them kept secret, they didn't need the copyrights. Novell owned the copyrights, but couldn't show the code to anyone without infringing SCO's IP. That is, if Novell isn't lying.
SCO isn't trying to taint all of linux. It just wants its IP taken out of the code base. If they would show which items are infringing, that can be done very easily. But they're jerking people around with that, too.
You can sue SCO if you want. Be my guest. Just don't pretend that they don't own what they do own, or the court will be kicking you out of the door and making you pay for everyone's time.
This thing couldn't work in a million years.
/. troll of the year.
The thermometer isn't in the beer, it's hooked directly to the copper plate atop the peltier device.
Without a crystal goblet and gobs of thermal goop, he's going to cool his thermometer probe and some air and not much else. Actually, he should just leave the beer in the can. Aluminum has a thermal conductivity of 205 W/m-K, and glass does 0.8 W/m-K. The thinner can* and 250X increase in k will make his project more successful, but still a candidate for
I'd be willing to bet that the metal rails of that "caffetiere" are transmitting more heat to the sides of the glass than the copper plate is taking from the base.
* - say the base of his glass is 4 mm thick, and the can is 0.2 mm thick (it could be less), then the glass will have a thermal conductance of 200 W/K and the can will have a thermal conductance of 1.03e6 W/K.
SCO has recourse against those who gave out its secrets, and has the right to stop people from using them.
Anyone who wants to can take my subscription-free Sony Series 1 DVR from me.
For $400.
Some of thes "hackers" are TiVo software engineers looking for ways to implement new features. TiVo doesn't deliberately encourage outside hacking, but like any good programmer writes the code so that certain future enhancements will be easier to write. And it will, if necessary, increase the difficulty of mods that are found to cause loss of revenue or rights.
Nothing draconian or manipulative about it. Just sofware engineering and defensive coding.
"The thing about trade secret is, it only applies to secrets. "
IANAL or anything, but you ought to read the law some time, instead of trying to "get it" from the superficial semantics of a term.
Leaked trade secrets are still protected. Anyone who passes them or implements them for profit owes the owner...something. The trade secret status of UNIX is intact, since AT&T did due diligence once it discovered the Lions book was being published.
852000 gallons/tankful
42 gallons/bbl
20000 bbl/tankful
$25/bbl
==> an even half-million bucks to fillerup.
Do you think we'll have time to run in for a donut and a lottery ticket?
It probably costs more than $4.5 million to paint the fucking thing.
Capacity: 3,196 Tons ...
Endurance: 12,000 Nautical miles @ 14 Knots, 6,200 Nautical Miles @ 25 Knots
So that's roughtly 4 nm/ton city, 2 highway.
Great for running around town, but where would you park it?
>>Someone is going to have to prove that code wasn't cribbed.
>Just the opposite.
Plaintiff will argue that it's substantially identical. Defense will have to argue the other side and show that it's not. Since SCO are only going to bring the substantially identical portions, that's going to be hard to do. Proving something in civil court doesn't require that it be true, only that you believe it is true and can assert it more convincingly than your opponent can assert his beliefs.
Read the transcript of the telecon.
These guys say they have hundreds of lines of infringing code. That's evidence.
Someone is going to have to prove that code wasn't cribbed. How do you even start to do that?
Sounds to me like a court can only agree that they were wronged.
This won't take ten years. It's not like the IBM or AT&T or Microsoft monopoly cases, which risked their corporate existence. IBM will figure the odds on this sliver of their enterprise that's not supposed to have any big costs associated with it, and settle. But you can bet they won't spend a second protecting anyone else using linux.
Everything about the source code to Unix is a secret because the source code was never published without strict controls by the owner of the code. AT&T did perform due diligence when it discovered Lions was publishing the code. Anyone who used that code for anything other than reasons related to their access to that code has stolen it. If it appears in linux, SCO can take it back, or recover damages and impose licensing terms and fees on everyone using linux, or the derivatives using the stolen code.
Now it turns out Novell says it still owns the copyright to the code, but someone owns the trade secrets in the code, and whether that's Novell or SCO remains to be revealed by these chiseling idiots.
I'm amazed nobody seems to have got it.
So I'm gonna give all the other re-pliers shit for it.
I just did.
So then I walked through the mall with my card scanner on and picked up about 15 valid numbers from people I passed.
Wanna go shopping?
Then I want a slice of the revenues.
None of this "donated to the public" bullshit.
If some chiseler is going to get a free ride on government patents, he's going to pay a cash license fee for it.
I'll try to be kind, here.
Read the whole post.
Remember back in school when the English teacher forced you to read that those things called "stories"? So you could learn about character and plot?
99 cents/song
16 songs
$15.99/CD...
I don't see any improvement due to technology.
Now these guys charge 79 cents.
The next guys charge 59 cents.
And so on.
Eventually, they're giving the music away free to get you to look at the banner ads.
Napster's only mistake was not getting permission.
Novell sends letters to 500 Linux companies demanding royalties.
SHOCKED! to find that there is optimization going on here.
(Alphonse enters.)
Your SPECmarks, sir.
Thank you.
We know the charge of an electron, we can count electrons individually, we can measure distances to ridiculous precisions with interferometry...
Just define the Kilo from the volt.
Son, don't pretend that the semantics of the word define the legal concept.
ESR can not establish that the community owns the trade secret simply because it knows it, and especially not if only a few people learned it because of a failure by sublicensees of UNIX to implement NDAs properly. That's the law.
SCO owns the IP. If they can show their IP is in the linux distros, they can stop the distribution of linux. That's the law.
Anyone who wants to break the law must be an anti-ESR troll, to you. Fine. Get some psychological care and check back when you learn how to read the law.
"Attacking France and making them do all the typing," garnered 7012 points, until someone pointed out the German constitution forbids it.
No, it wasn't widely available. The Lions book is famous precisely because of what it was.
And it doesn't matter if the trade secret "gets out". The owner of that trade secret still owns it, and anyone passing it along (e.g., as part of an open-source operating system, hint, hint) is open to action from the owner.
I get it now.
/. because Dickie and Brucie were important to SCO and he wasn't.
ESR is sending out press releases and posting on
Makes perfect sense.