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Buy Your Own Aircraft Carrier
Vodalian writes "Distinction as the last surviving Aircraft Carrier built in England for WW II and commissioned as the HMS Vengeance in late 1944, this unique vessel served the British then the Australian Navy as HMAS Vengeance prior to her sale to Brazil In 1956. Undergoing reconstruction and overhaul in Rotterdam from 1957 to 1960 she was commissioned as the Minas Gerais in December of that year. During her service with the Brazilian Navy she was overhauled from 1976 to 1980 completing a 5-year refit in 1981. She was decommissioned on the 16th of October 2001 and is currently for sale."
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For a second I thought it said *build* your own aircraft carrier .... now that would have been a feat :)
It's just a guess, but I think you'd need something bigger than a creek to sail that in!
"Much work is lost, for the lack of a little more." -Edward H. Harriman
No reserve, I'll give em' $50 bucks. Buyer pays shipping
Corporations this is your chance to become a world power by buying your very own aircraft carrier! Of course you have to fund the personnel to run the carrier and then get some fighter jets but imagine the countries you can frighten into accepting your tyrannical contracts!
That would make one kick-ass gravy boat!
-- sometimes AND gates turn me on.
i can't even imagine what a nightmare it'd be getting that thing wired for cable...
well, it's nothing one behind the ear wouldn't cure
Sounds like something right out of Snowcrash.
This goes along with my plans.
1. Change name ti L. Bob Rife
2. Create cable TV monopoly
3. Start own religion
4. Work on meta-virus
5. Buy aircraft carrier
6. Get residents of 3rd world country to do my bidding!
Sweet!
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$4,500,000(USD)
of course that is the sticker price. surely you could beat the salesperson down 15%.
well, maybe "beat" is the wrong adjective when the salesperson is saling a weapon of war.
Great place to throw a party, cruise outside the reach of the law in internatinal waters.
Hope the weather is good tho.
This article is proof that Saturday is always slow at the Slashdot office
FYI, today was the last day for the cocorde flight of Air France. British Airways will also discontinue the marvelous white bird bullet lines in october :(
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This would make one hell of a bass boat... Think of the size of the trolling motor you'd need.
$4.5 million sounds like a steal. It probably costs more than that to keep it in port for a year, let alone what it would actually cost to operate.
You could fit an entire city inside one of these things. With no airplanes the hangers would be friggin huge.
Reminds me of a Macross story...
The ratio of people to cake is too big
...but man, she gets around more than my ex-girlfriend...
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According to an article I read, while the flight deck elevator (that brings planes up to the top from the hangar) works, the actual hangar deck has been converted to a soccer arena.
My uncle bought an old Russian diesel sub. in 1996 for 150k he turned it into a floating restaurant on the Mississipi river.
If 15,000 of us put in $300, we could get this baby.
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Oh, the LAN parties we could have on the SS
Lets put together a trust fund to buy this thing in the name of nerd news and matter-ful stuff. With the sizable readership of this site we could probably drop in a few bucks a piece to purchase it. :)
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
Oh well. I thought they were selling something cool, like Minas Tirith or Minas Morgul.
for the next James Bond movie. I can just see the villan plotting global domination on my^H^H his carrier base....
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Seriously, that thing would make one hell of a house. You could just more it up to a dock. Barge on the Seine my butt. I want an aircraft carrier in New York Harbor.
On second thought that would make one hell of a target for terrorists. Better put it somewhere in New Jersey.
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So a complement of 1.300, each paying $400 a month rent...
That's easily a half million rent a month! So living aboard, for a year, would generate $6 million, which covers the cost of upkeep and purchase in 2 years, and profitable in 3!
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A tailhook kit for the ole' gulfstream.
Someone call Larry Ellison! Would make a great addition to his MiG fighter jet.
1. Buy aircraft carrier for $4.5 M
2. Refit with 200 luxury condos
3. basketball courts on top, leave space for helipad
4. Park near your favorite expensive city and sell units for $600 K each
5. PROFIT !!!
6. ???
You'll probably have to shell out way more than that for the surplus MiG-23 jets to stick up on the deck. Let's face it, this wouldn't be much fun with no planes.
As much as ESR likes guns, this would be a great way to spend what's left of his IPO cash. Then he could launch air strikes at Redmond, Santa Cruz and Hollywood.
Maybe George W. should buy it and write "Saddamz aircraft carria" on it. That should convince the few unpatriotic people who still doubt the justification for attacking Iraq.
I don't need a signature.
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De-Commissioned November 2001, Sold to Private concerns 2002, Sale did not complete.
Bin Laden gets sea sick
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Does she run Linux?
As always, I must present the downside:
1. Do you know how to drive an aircraft carrier? I don't think it has merely a gas/brake/steering wheel.
2. Which country was going to let you bring that monstrosity into their port again...?
3. Don't these things require a crew of 1000's? Or at least 100 people I'd imagine, more if something goes wrong!
4. It costs me $20 to fill my car up at the gas station...dear god, I don't even want to think of this!!!
But beyond that, a cool purchase to be sure. It would be even funnier if it were on ebay.
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Stay 20-30 miles off coast.
Satellite internet access.
Web hosting outside the borders (Or DMCA laws) of any nation.
Isn't there an old oil rig that does this near britain?
and you will find that there is a charitable fund set up to buy this and turn her into a floating museum, as befits her place as the last surviving WW2 british aircraft carrier
A lot less interesting than the 'world domination' plans, but then, this carrier is outdated and wouldn't last 2 minutes against a modern navy, hence why it is for public sale.
An infinite number of monkeys will eventually come up with the complete works of
No remotely modern aircraft is capable of landing on it, because it's too small. That's why it was decommissioned.
If I'm not mistaken, Brasil bought the last planes that were able to take off and land. They're all falling apart by now.
So which billionaire Chinese man is going to buy this and raise thousands of orphan girls to raise into a karate-kicking, boot-toting army?
$4.5m seems like a bargain until you tot up the running costs. Those admiralty drum boilers are thirsty beasts - HMS Belfast (a mere cruiser) had 4 of these, consuming ~26 tons of furnace fuel oil per hour at full steam. Plus of course the wages for your private army of mercenary sailors, uniforms, medals, rum, ex-soviet MiGs, an elaborate escape submarine - it soon adds up. It's not easy being an evil genius these days...
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Unfortunately, most decomissioned ships that go up for sale are bought by metal scrap yards who recycle the materials. We'd like to think that some rich guys buys them and then goes sailing around in a battleship, but that is rarely (never?) the case.
1. Buy carrier ...
2. Float around Pacific picking up refugees
3. Drop them off on the West coast
4.
5. Profit!
wait...this sounds too familiar
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Cool!
Add a launcher for your Russan Space Shuttle Braun that was on sales a while back would be fun.
What weapons are optional? Rats!
Only a Opec member or M$ could aford to run this thing!
...and, why you call it "she"??? In portuguese it was a boy. They made a gender swap on it?
The new Geek Cruise anyone.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
set up a paypal account to gather the 4,5m USD, ship it to international waters, close to a big communication node, set up a server farm aboard of it, and say f... you to RIAA/DMCA/Whatever for the sake of freedom of speech and thinking !!! Of course no "illegal activities" like terrorism, drug trafficing etc.
What do you think about it ?
- Acquire necessary parts and materials.
- Assemble.
How to turn any boat into an aircraft carrier:- Place aircraft on boat.
How to sink an aircraft carrier:I'd have to double check but I think the thing is worth more than $4.5 Million as scrap metal alone. This really is a deal for someone who can swing the financing.
My money is on a consortium of the RIAA, the MPAA and Microsoft to purcahase this...
Pirates ahoy! All hands to battle stations!
Beep beep.
If I bought that aircraft carrier, then flew in on it dressed in a flight suit with the crotch all puffed up, people might be tricked into thinking -I- was a hero too?
Thought not.
-- I am. Therefore, I think!
Capacity: 3,196 Tons ...
Endurance: 12,000 Nautical miles @ 14 Knots, 6,200 Nautical Miles @ 25 Knots
So that's roughtly 4 nm/ton city, 2 highway.
Great for running around town, but where would you park it?
All the users of Slashdot could pitch in and buy the vessel. We could rename it the "SS \." and make it run Linux. I'm going to draw up the plans right now using MS Paint.
One of the great ideas about it is that if you convert it into a floating datacenter, you can make good money off it. Like making it a haven for people who want to host contents without having to worry about being ganked off line, because you will be in the international waters, which no laws can touch you. And you can charge a bundle for it.
As for the internet connection, simple. Just get a tap into one of those underground pipes as your permanent connection and you be set. Plus due to the sheer size of that thing, it would be nearly stable and rock solid.
-- Amazing how the Internet still humms along.... -- Dispite all the flaws of Micro$oft in their software!
It *probably* has an extensive communications system already.
Also, popular literature supplies some great ideas for other applications.
Eve Fairbanks says I drive a hybrid!LOL
Our crazy NY mayor Bloomberg is actually doing this already. He is taking old cruise ships and outfitting them for low-income housing.
I just hope they got rid of those silly hyper-contaigious diseases that were going around. Some 409 surface cleaner should do it. Well, a lot actually.
They still have 1 (one) aircraft carrier remaining...The "São Paulo".
But, heck, who needs aircraft carriers when you can have this baby?
LOL...and before the flame war starts...please understand this is just a joke. The list of other ships still commissioned is quite impressive.
Warning: Opinions known to be heavily biased.
an aircraft carrier?? DARN IT!! i wanted a nuclear submarine... wake me up when someone starts selling those...
Seriously, if someone gave me $4,500,010 right now I would buy an aircraft carrier and a lot of candy.
A way to make it profitable would be to go around the world and offer paying tours. Or even cruises (though that would require a lot of people...) Enough to supply the fuel, pay back the loan you took out to buy it and fit it with enough computers and a network to run it all from the bridge, but most of all, have the COOLEST HOUSE ON EARTH.
...so...COOL...
But can the bows split open and swallow up ballistic missile subs?
You must think in Russian.
Is there a corporation rich enough to become a "super power"?
GE accounts for 1% of the US GDP and it's about the biggest F'ing company in the world (in terms of dollars and diversity) AND they make weapons systems.
So, I'd say 'No'.
Of course, they could kick France's ass, but then, so did Greenpeace.
The opposite of progress is congress
Now all we need is an L.Bob Rife to buy it.
It seems that no matter how many Congress members they buy, the capabilities of the Pentagon remain out of reach. Much to the dismay of RIAA, not a single P2P user has been hit with a laser-guided bomb. The day may come when RIAA passes a law and can't get the level of enforcement they would like. The logical conclusion would be to buy an aircraft carrier! After all, what is the point of establishing a government without the firepower to assert its authority?
This purchase would give them the ability to launch airstrikes against P2P users. Of course, a vast area is beyond the range of carrier-launched aircraft. Their next step will be to buy a missile base and ICBMs from North Korea. This will enable them to wipe out the rest of their customer base.
I guess the geek thing to do would be to start shopping for a submarine.
I can't find that on my Middle Earth map.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
This carrier does have a catapult. Who cares what other carriers do or do not have?
"Lord, grant that I may always be right, for Thou knowest that I am hard to turn" -- A Scots-Irish prayer
Please let's start discussing what we build on that - do we want anachy? Minarchy? Or just a plain democratic state with a constitution? Communism?
I'm voting for anarchy.
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You know, BG must be thinking about that.
Get your former CEO elected as Vice President of the United States.
Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
I wonder if it comes with ammo and planes, or if not could you throw them in with some package deal for say, and extra 500k?
;)
Then you wouldn't have to even worry about docking into a harbor, just take your own jet to the mainland for the day
If guys that drive big cars are compensating for small... packages, what could be said about the poor b@st@rd that buys this thing?
Learn something new.
Don't forget all those hidden fees when buying this carrier.
-Insurance (Ow.)
-Crew (you could get away with under a crew of thousand without aircraft and weapondry, I'm sure)
-Supplies
-Fuel (that's gonna kill ya)
-Licencing (I'm sure the government isn't just gonna let you run around with a spare carrier without some sort of tax)
-ATM fee
I don't care if it is only 4.5 mil. You're gonna have to have deeeep pockets just for upkeep, let alone taking it out for a spin... And you can stop with the Neal Stephenson jokes now. They've all been taken.
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Back in abot 1971 I saw this ship at anchor in Rio harour. i was told by my Brazilian host that the first aircraft launched from the flight deck by the Brazilians had gone down, not up - and splashed. Since then, no pilot brave enough to have a second try had been found.
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"Great for running around town, but where would you park it?"
Wherever the hell you liked. Is this a tank joke?
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Feel free to do as you want,
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We have a AIRCRAFT CARRIER we use insted,
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May I also suggest that we adopt "Hymn to Red October" as the national (aircraftcarrieral?) anthem?
But, Can you imagine a Beowolf Cluster of these?
Keep this quiet. It's chump change for Chairman Gates to buy this puppy and man this thing to scare the Germans or anyone who is gona switch to Linux!
I've actually been on the flight deck of another carrier from that same era. Boggles the mind that anybody would even try to land a plane on such a tiny place.
Maybe an aircraft carrier is what we need to drive down SF bay area housing values.
Was anyone else expecting an eBay link? I was sure hoping for one...
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. . . the Principality of Sealand now has a navy.
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low-income housing
hyper-contaigious diseases
In NY City we like to let these problems take care of themselves (wink wink).
The Texas oil industry bought the United States government already.
before buying this baby. Would Redmond be in missile range lying infront of the coast of Vancouver?
IANAL, but imagine a beowulf cluster of in Soviet Russia all your belong are base to us welcoming the new SCO overlords.
Would you then have a GNU/Aircraft Carrier?
Credit where credit's due. Afterall, where would carriers be without Stallman?
We haven't had a carrier since the Bonaventure!!!! Please donate and help us out!
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I would so buy that if I had the money. Talk about a great place to have parties...
"scrap value"
Razor blades and automobiles perhaps. When the aircraft carrier HMCS Bonaventure was scrapped in the early '70s, the story was that it came back to Canada in the form of Datsuns... whose bodies seemed to rust away while you watched. All that prior exposure to salt water...
Throw in a Harrier and I'll take it off your hands for $4.000.000...
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Imagine a beowulf...
2000 lb's/ton
6392000 lb's
~7.5 gallons/lb
852266 gallons
$1.25 gallon
$1,065,333 to fill-er-up
Oh yea, that's also $625/mile city $1250/mile highway.
Is she still in Brazil? That's ~5000 miles from NY,NY.
Does anyone else find it funny that a company called French Creek Boat Sales is selling an aircraft carrier?
One Aircraft Carrier: $4,500,000.
Slashdot registered users: 6,000,000.
Online geek community with own aircraft carrier: Priceless.
Air France is donating one of is Concorde's to the Smithsonian
For whatever reason, durring construction its hull sat around for something like 5 years for budgetarty reasons. At least 2 or 3 of its sister hulls diddnt get out of the construction phase.
... Puget Sound.
Okay, now somebody make the joke about Battleships and Windows NT, please.
am I the only person who read that as 4 nanometers/ton? I heard about $100 toilet seats, but ... wow.
Yawn.
and some of Moller's aircars outfitted with cruise missiles, I CAN RULE THE WORLD!
Oh, wait, Bush is already...
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Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these?
Well I want to see if it runs well :)
And a trailer to haul it on
And a Ford Excursion to pull it with
And a boat ramp at Lake Allatoona big enough to put this baby in the water
"Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
Seriously, $4,500,000 is pretty damn reasonable!
;-)
It'd make one hell of a floating hoteI actually imagine there are lots of geeks who pay big $$$ to go on an aircraft carrier theme vacation
-psy
I'm voting for anarchy, too... as odd as that sounds.
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The Marine Corps only asked that the JSF be STOVL (Short Take Off/Vertical Landing). You are correct about this carrier being able to handle it, though. It could also carry quite a few helos, as well.
Well... if it's gonna be the SS /. we should have a government that is randomly re-selected every day, and only has 5 votes to use in whatever issues it sees fit.
And just to keep things consistent, no one can make any sort of useful comment in meetings of government, but must instead shout a single word description of what they would have said, had they been allowed to.
They will also be barred from any further discussion of the issue.
from this link - it looks like it been sold. perhaps the editors should read more carefully. http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/vengeance/Costs. html
Minas Gerais = I'm Iran's Sage
I'd stay away from this one...
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Application #1: With current issues regarding DMCA laws and a whole bunch of bogusness... I'm rather shocked someone isn't considering buying such a beast in order to start up an off shore server in international waters. Pirate telivision / radio would also be a logical application.
Application #2: Organizations such as Green Peace need boats in order to get around and block access. This is a big boat.
Application #3: Off shore power plant. Production of things like hydrogen or other fuels.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
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Retrofit it as a floating nation/state/casino/whorehouse, then steam it around the planet. The worlds largest traveling party, off shore bank and criminal retreat. Fly in lounge lizards, escaping dictators and rich socialites right onto the flight deck in helicopters. Never go to port so nobody gets arrested; justice of the high seas. Captain hangs anyone who doesn't pay their gambling debts. Service it with freighters and fuel tenders. When it gets too old to float, sink it (along with the ex-dictators who can't go ashore) and start all over.
Someone will do it. Saddam and his kids could pay cash and invite all their cronies.
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My question is, "Why did/does Brazil need an aircraft carrier?" Aren't such things needed by nations who would fear other nations trying to muscle in on 'em? I mean, hey, who REALLY wants to go to Brazil and stay?
I can't imagine Brazil having need for such a ting. Maybe that's why they got rid of it. I certainly hope they didn't spend MORE money and a fancier ship that they don't need, seeing as Brazil ain't the richest of nations (or the free-est, for that matter), and really doesn't face a threat of imminent invasion. Seems they have better things to spend money on than aircraft carriers.
Anyhow... Anyone who buys this had better be planning on moving in for the long haul. They also better be rich as fuck, and with a healthy incoming cash flow, as you would need to hire LOTS of people to crew this thing and to maintain it, regardless of whether it ever went out to sea again or not. I wonder if the US will actually allow it to be sold--or should I say, perhaps, 'delivered." I guess one way to get attention from Uncle Sam, if you want it, would be to buy an old aircraft carrier.
Mmmmmm... Bold, yet refreshing!
sigh...
Just out of curiosity, do any Navy/AF fans out there know what sort of maintenance would be required for this thing?
i.e. what would need to be done to keep it afloat and operational, and how much would that cost (ballpark)?
The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
That seems really cheap ($4.5 USD) for boat of that size and function.
Check out these prices for a variety of boats for sale. $4.5 mil buys a much smaller in some cases.
Would make a nice floating hotel, change the insides into apartments, put a few pools on the deck and maybe a go kart track or something :P
Dude, helicopters are aircraft.
Hmmmm. This must be some new, European definition of "free" that hasn't yet spread to the US.
Shhhh! You're supposed to pretend that it's the United States which has been trying for centuries to become a fascist, totalitarian empire, and Europe which is trying desperately to preserve Western civilization. It's the new fad, you see.
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To buy this, paint "HMS IBM" on it, and launch it in Utah Lake (just west of Lindon, Utah).
Is the sale up for only certain countries or can any millionaire buy it? Lets say a crazy millionaire or group purchases this thing and crashes it into an offshore drilling complex. Is seller now partly responsible for selling it to this crazy person or group? Lots more to worry about other than a pink slip...
for the ever-delayed release of Harpoon 4.
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Set it out in the Pacific on the equater and start the carbon tube fabricators!
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Taxes and licenses are avoidable by flying the appropriate flag.
Fuel and crew are big bucks, but nothing compared to the revenue that comes from turning the whole thing into a casino.
As they say on TV (around here), "Meet me at Foxwoods!"
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For Sale: special aluminium tubes for building a breeder reactor capable of creating weapon's grade materials, or perhaps just nice, shiny pipes for indoor plumbing.
Unique - mobile biological weapons laboratories of an ingenious design. Guaranteed to contain no trace of any biological weapons material. Needs work.
No Reserve! Blank Nigerian documents for Uranium exports, cheap. Great gag gift. No reserve!
Rare Collector's item: Nuclear warhead of North Korean design. Discount for unstable dictators.
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It uses oil so its only about $0.50-$0.75 per gallon, I forget exactly how many gallons there are in a barrel of oil. Guessing about 40, and I haven't check the price of oil recently either.
Sealand almost counts as a nation under International Law because it is a fixed structure and is more than 1 metre above sea-level at all times. The only issue is that it actually now exists inside the borders of the UK and is no longer in International waters as it was when it was first constructed (the rules changed on how far your borders extend).
But no, an aircraft carrier doesn't count. Nor does an oil rig for instance.
Forget Sealand... turn this baby into a colo with satellite uplink, cruising international waters forever. :D
I would buy the IJN Yamato (well, if it was available)...the most impressive battleship ever built!!!
How to sink an aircraft carrier:
Make its average density greater than water.
I'm not sure this is accurate. My understanding is that a boat will float if mass of the boat is less than the mass of the water displaced by the boat. Mass and density are not the only issues: what also matter is that the hull offers sufficient displacement of water.
-kgj
" Thankfully new UK carriers don't have catapults..."
True, but according to the defense industry press, your new boats are being designed for them. You're not getting them right off, but if the US/UK Joint Strike Fighter program tanks, you'll probably have to add them to get a modern strike fighter on the seas. The UK government learned the hard way during the Falklands war that while small STOVL carriers are a cheap method of sea control, they suck at power projection, and a handful of old A-4 Skyhawks and some Exocet missles gave them all the trouble they could handle. This is why the U.S. Navy abandoned it's Sea Control Ship (on which the Spanish light carrier Principe De Asturias is based) concept in the 70's and decided to stick with large catapult flattops. Nothing says intimidation like a flattop with 70+ tactical aircraft sitting off of your coast.
The only reason the Royal Navy is going with the STOVL JSF is because Lockheed Martin promises it will deliver F-18 caliber performance (around Mach 2, with the ability to carry lots of ordinance) with vertical flight capability. Considering how badly the F-22 program has gone (which LM also runs), I'm not real optimistic about JSF. Besides, I'm still not sold on the idea that you can take one aiframe and make it do EVERYTHING. Most newer fighters have multiple abilities, but you wouldn't take an F-15 and turn it into a dedicated tank-buster, or a carrier-born anti-sub bird. Don't be terribly shocked if JSF is eventually canceled.
If that happens, the Royal Navy will want to get a Mach 2 class bird out to sea fast, and that'll mean an F-18 derivative or a navalized Eurofighter. And having a carrier designed for catapults would allow them to make that transistion quickly. It's actually a smart move on the part of the UK. The RN just can't continue to use Sea Harriers forever. They're just not up to snuff for fleet defense AND power projection, and they're getting long in the tooth.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Make its average density greater than water.
Alternately, make the water less dense:
-kgj
Informative!
-kgj
Well, the guys were probably good enough not to let any fall off.
Maybe soccer skill in the US *has* improved, but it would be a good idea to invent something to avoid a large overhead in replacement players.
Ach ! This *is* beginning to look too much like a Simpson's episode.
You just register it with a country that doesn't mind what you're up to. It worked for the Caroline (for a few years, anyway).
As for dockings for maintenance: you can bring supplies using another ship. That's how Sealand manages, and it's never going to dock anywhere.
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Perhaps if the /. community bought it... We could get the boat running *nix.
That way when the terrorists infect all the Military's systems with the BinLaden.w32 bug... that will be the last boat standing.
Sounds good to me.
Ask Slashdot: A few months ago, we discussed how to buy an aircraft carrier. After a hectic fundraising bid, me and all my "friends" were able to purchase the Brazilian sea whore through PayPal. I thought "Brazilian Sea Whore" was such a rad name that we rechristened it with the name. Unfortunately, now there's a problem. We ran out of food and the situation makes Lord of the Flies look like a comedy. A portion of the crew has broken off into a Klingon language faction and is proposing mutiny. We've descended into cannibalism but we're not sure how to decide who dies first in a fair way for everybody. So my question is this: what do you think about using /. ID numbers in descending order as a valid way of choosing who gets cooked next? While some of the lower ID numbers are pretty fat and would last for weeks, it's probably not a good idea as they would make ideal emergency rations. Not like we don't have an emergency already...
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The one that has half-a-dozen warships assigned to it after the United States hears about your raid of the first one?
(Actually, an aircraft carrier by itself only has a few self defense weapons, so you probably wouldn't have to surrender. Without aircraft and/or a battle group around it, it's just a ship. Then again, a few thousand rounds from a Phalanx cannon could ruin your day.)
If it's euros and cents, here. Then :
Getting shot off the catapult is probably going to in big demand as major fun. So, it should cost appropriately.
And, in case the person being catapulted is not supposed to notice until the last moment, why then it should cost at least three times as much !
Jingle !
Someone I know has thought fairly seriously of doing just that:e r/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Carri
(membership required, et cetera).
Look for this:
Deck 4, Ward 9, Bunk 22. Low on left bulkhead should be the words "This navy can kiss my arse."
There you have it. Who in the world would
want, unless they had a navy (with sailors),
something that they would have to paint?
Ok, if it's you, then come paint my house first,
then we'll talk about the ship.
how much would that be? oh you guys have a payment plan right?!
Why was this modded off-topic? It was supposed to be funny! (Haven't I heard enough comments about how the 17" Powerbook is like an aircraft carrier on your desk...)
- Displacement 25,484 tons FL 32,060 tons FL
- Length @ WL 770' 770'
- Length Overall 809'6" 827'5"
- Width @ WL 83'2" 109'6"
- Width @ FD 108'11" 114'2"
- Draught FL 25' 11" 28' 4"
I'd say that if you really wanted to have a party, refiting an oil tanker would be best if you want big (just not as cool). (If anyone wants stats on modern carriers or oil tankers, google'em yourself.)One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
http://www.frenchcreekboatsales.com/details.asp?Fi le_Number=PW852
The M.V. Cowichan
(pronounced) M V COW-ITCH-en
and affordable:
Reduced to $190,000(CDN) OBO
Boy, I guess it's safe to say they will never attack america.
852000 gallons/tankful
42 gallons/bbl
20000 bbl/tankful
$25/bbl
==> an even half-million bucks to fillerup.
Do you think we'll have time to run in for a donut and a lottery ticket?
More like 100,000 users with 5,900,000 alternate accounts.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
and putting it on Lake Travis, Texas
We're gonna need a little more $$$ than that ...
...
I mean we nead a pretty kick ass 15,000 node LAN for starters
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
There are some cool working boats there. Tugs supply barges ferrys and even an oildrilling platform 22.000,000.00 areal bargain.
Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
1 Any landing that you can walk away from is agood landing
2 Anytime you can reuse the aircraft it is an execellent landing
Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
Better yet, ask Halliburton, which has done huge business in direct opposition to the US national interest with many foreign countries including two of the three members of the Axis of Evil and Libya. The U.S. Gov't has fined Halliburton several million dollars for doing business with terrorist states, but then gave it a $7 billion contract to put out oil well fires. When there weren't any oil well fires to speak of, the U.S. Gov't told Halliburton to keep the money, we'd find other things for them to do.
The moral is that with the right connections, you can upset the US national interests all you want and the government will just bend over further and ask for a kiss.
As for foreign countries, the US indicted 14 members of Hizb'allah for the Khobar Towers bombing in 2001, which killed 19 US airmen. The suspects were in Saudi Arabia at the time and Saudi Arabia has refused to extradite them to the US to stand trial. We're not kicking their ass either. Instead, we're doing exactly what Osama bin Laden has wanted us to do for the last 12 years: taking our troops out of SA.
Pakistan sold gas centrifuges to North Korea to help its nuclear weapons program and is providing safe haven for the Taliban on the Afghan border. We're not kicking their ass either.
Seems to me that we just invaded Iraq to distract everyone from the sight of GWB bending over adn greasing up for the real terrorists.
Article in Janes not too long back describing a Electromagnitic cat that the bri navy was working on . said to be gentler on the A/C and gie a higher Velocity.
Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
except Spelling Nazis such as yourself.
Just so you no. Er, know.
I said gross "margin". I meant gross "profit." Gross margin is a percentage. My bad.
Scince they said this ship served in
the *Brazilian* navy, shouldn't they look fo
and remove this device, so terrorists can't
go back in time and wreak havoc with the
space-time continum?
(for those who don't know what the hell I
am talking about, think back to the 1995
Simpsons halloween special)
I like that, and I might just have to steal it.
"We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
Hilarious!
If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
6,200@23 Knots, according to warships1.com ( make sure your popup blocker is ON ).
Also, note the same site reports that her top speed is currently only about 18 to 20 kts.
That may be why she is for sale, hard to run ops at that speed. And maybe it fell some more due to mechanical difficulties.
emt 377 emt 4
They have the answer. There is none. Hell, there isn't even a question. Over the history of their records for maritime claims, the Bermuda Triangle has not differed statisticly from anywhere else for maritime accidents.
Capacity: 3,196 Tons plus 98,000 gallons of Aviation fuel
Endurance: 12,000 Nautical miles @ 14 Knots, 6,200 Nautical Miles @ 25 Knots
Lets see 3,196*2000=6392000lbs.
6392000/7.5=852266.67 gallons
852266.67/12000=71.02 gallons per mile
My whole pay check wouldnt pay for one days commute!
fine...register in sealand ^_^
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
I already have a few of em.
Imagine the CHICKS you could get! Screw a mansion, you have a FREAKIN' Aircraft Carrier! Countries tremble when you draw near! Can P.Diddy AKA Puff Daddy say that about his home? Huh? Can he? I don't think so.
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
I didn't realise direct advertising was allowed on /.
Hey, anyone want to buy my truck, its only 49 years old, years newer than that old ship.
No. You can't look at my Sig; it's mine, and I'm not showing you.
That's a great idea buy the boat then it in international waters to host crack sites, pornography and spam. All of the things I hate the most, But as I figure, it wouldn't be a perfect plan to have a floating "fortress" in international waters, and being an annoyance on the internet. On international waters I'd figure if a country would get mad at you for hosting the garbage, they'd just bomb the ship and say it was an accident. Apparantly this thread is so stupid I had to break from coding to reply, I must be getting tired.
...everybody knows the boats disappear in the bermuda triangle because of David Copperfield.
Put all your freedom servers on this baby and move around to different sat links when different governments shut you down for "breaking" the "law".
Open Source Navy!!! A Linux based ship should be able to easily take out all those cheesy Windows based ships in the US navy.
Munitions want to be free!!!
Slightly reminiscent of the broadband mogul who bought the USS Enterprise in "Snow Crash". Let's build The Raft!
1. Buy carrier
2. Head over to Colombia and load up a shitload of cocaine.
3. Drop it off on the West coast (no one will believe you are stupid enough to attempt running drugs in an _aircraft carrier_).
4. Profit!
All this talk misses one vital point.
:).
This is serious naval heritage that has survived a rather long time
Would love to see it purchased and moored as a memorial to *all* those who fought on carriers at sea during WW2 in any theater.
I offered them $2mill, cash - but they didn't take my offer. They wanted to know where the money came from because I offered them cash; I wouldn't tell them, so they refused! Pity; I'm an avid Gilligan Island watcher - my own mobile island! Peace...
here
What with a possible future combination of Su-33 (Su-27K) Sea Flankers, Su-25UTG 'Frogfoots', Su-32FN Sea Strike Flankers & twin (contra-rotating) main-rotor Kamov Choppers, the Kuznetsov has the potential to reign supreme as the most balanced carrier platform in the world (in many ways the Yanks are just too big for anything but all out war).
The Su-33 (Su-27K) is undoubtably the best carrier fighter in service ever. It's also the 1st production aircraft in the world with both canards & a traditional tailplane.
Russian Aviation Gallery:
The Su-32FN is the Naval version of the Su-34 Strike Fighter. It has Sukhoi's revolutionary tri-plane layout (Canards in combination with tradional central mainwing & rear tailplane layout), twin nose-wheels, folding wings & tailhook. Also, just like the Su-34 Strike Flanker, it has a amoured Ti cockpit & crew quarters (with cot, loo & food warmer) & low altitude contour navigation. Plus, ontop of its traditional forward AI radar, it also has rear facing air-intercept radar. This works with the only production AI missles that can be fired backwards, IE against the thrust of the aircraft & meaning the missle's actually flying backwards, in relation to its own thrust for the 1st few 1/100s of a second after its fired. Normally only 1 or 2 AI missles are installed facing backwards. These R73 AI missles are thrust-vectored & thus can also be fired forward & the flip over 180 degrees & go backwards or vice-a-versa. Hence only one or at max 2 are mounted backwards, because if needed a forward firing one can be fired backwards too. Can be fitted with all the Su-30's super long range equipment & refueling probe (as do all the 30 series Flankers)
Fighter Tactics Academy Strike Flanker page:
What with a possible future combination of Su-33 (Su-27K) Sea Flankers, Su-25UTG 'Frogfoots', Su-32FN Sea Strike Flankers & twin (contra-rotating) main-rotor Kamov Choppers, the Kuznetsov has the potential to reign supreme as the most balanced carrier platform in the world (in many ways the Yanks are just too big for anything but all out tier-1 war - think what just one fat US carriers costs to run & maintain for just 1 day).
The Su-33 (Su-27K) is undoubtably the best carrier fighter in service ever. It's also the 1st production aircraft in the world with both canards & a traditional tailplane.
Russian Aviation Gallery:
The Su-32FN is the Naval version of the Su-34 Strike Fighter. It has Sukhoi's revolutionary tri-plane layout (Canards in combination with tradional central mainwing & rear tailplane layout), twin nose-wheels, folding wings & tailhook. Also, just like the Su-34 Strike Flanker, it has a amoured Ti cockpit & crew quarters (with cot, loo & food warmer) & low altitude contour navigation. Plus, ontop of its traditional forward AI radar, it also has rear facing air-intercept radar. This works with the only production AI missles that can be fired backwards, IE against the thrust of the aircraft & meaning the missle's actually flying backwards, in relation to its own thrust for the 1st few 1/100s of a second after its fired. Normally only 1 or 2 AI missles are installed facing backwards. These R73 AI missles are thrust-vectored & thus can also be fired forward & the flip over 180 degrees & go backwards or vice-a-versa. Hence only one or at max 2 are mounted backwards, because if needed a forward firing one can be fired backwards too. Can be fitted with all the Su-30's super long range equipment & refueling probe (as do all the 30 series Flankers)
Fighter Tactics Academy Strike Flanker page:
... is a bad idea as a retrofit. Assuming you can obtain a suitable reactor design and a supply of close-to-bomb-grade fuel pins, and you can build this thing, and you have technicians to drive it in three-shift operation, you still keep getting stuck with extra costs -- disposing of spent fuel, the emergency defuelling shed, etc etc. USN skimped on some of these sort of things even for the Nimitz class.
Of course, nuclear propulsion is of interest to the Navy of the United States of Brazil (er... USB. Not sure if they're running the 1.1 or the 2.0 constitution, but what the heck). They have had an ongoing SSN (nuclear-powered attack submarine) programme running for many years, so it's not like they're planning to exploit the sea flank in some local aggression in Latin America, they plan to be a blue-water navy.
Good luck to 'em. It's expensive. That's why Her Majesty's MOD entertained nuclear propulsion for a few seconds at most for the two aircraft carriers ordered from a Thales-led consortium. That's why the Royal Navy likes two (or preferably three, or four, or more, of everything) -- if somebody knows the maintenance schedule of your better assets, then they can pencil in several sets of prospective invasion dates straight away. Aircraft carriers are not much use without aircraft, either.
Digression: roll your own aircraft carrier? You're probably going to need steam catapult and arrester wires to launch and recover aircraft. Nobody's ever built a dependable steam catapult; the US, UK and France tried and close enough, others have tried and failed. But the spend-the-money-in-your-own-economy aspects of building your own aircraft carrier are compelling.
What aircraft do you need? Fighters or fighter-bombers; bombers; transports; search-and-rescue helicopters; Airborne Warning And Control System; airborne tankers; antisubmarine warfare aircraft. I maintain that the catapult-shoe-plus-tailhook variant of the JSF that the USN has demanded is a waste of time and they should be running the Marine Corps' STOVL one instead. But all of these aircraft, and crew, and training, cost money. The way forward is to share costs.
So if the Brazilians, or whoever, really cared, they'd buy into several consortia, for aircraft purchases and crew training, and for the ship construction programme.
Buy someone else's 60-year old castoff? I don't care how many refits it's had, it's fit only for razor blades.
They already purchased a couple of aircraft carriers, to take them apart and learn to build their own. Most recently the Varyag, a partially complete Ukrainian ship left mothballed by the end of the Soviet Union.
... are linked still a democracy ?
;)
:(
... and so blahblahblah :(
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Sorry to remember you this point but Sir W.Bush was eletected with fewer US citizen than gore
Liberty is not a de-facto status. You have to fight for it.
We've Seen how the US media manipulate (cf. murdoch's chanels) the US opinion according to the arm&oil lobby "good will", there is no doubt that liberty is no more on the US side
Sorry, but you've been manipulate. Did you forget about Irak been the "2nd big army in the world" and owning "mass destruction weapons" ! Did you remember that was the reason US striked Irak ?
Of course, it turned soon to a "flower-power"-ished 'we are the good, they are evil', or 'we are the freedom, we are going to free them' or ' god is on our side'
If Irak was not the #2 oil reserv in the whole world then the would never care a ball about getting rid of a dictator that they empowered 40 years ago !
US citizen, wake up and fight the money imperialism ! Fight the arm lobby & the oil lobby !
Sad days for the planet
-sLK
hate machine.
we ALREADY paid for ALL of that stuff (aircraft carrIErs incl.).
now we have to build our own, if we waNT to ride on won.
just fauxking insane, if it wereN'T so dangerous for most of US. consult with yOUR creator. lookout bullow.
sure enough, build a boat, that can float on any substance, but we'l never stock it with murder machines, made in the usa, or anywhere else.
how in the fud can you tail sumwons whois sum greed/fear based stock markup fraud corepirate nazi, megalomaniacal tyraNT, to do anything differeNTly?
vote with yOUR wallet. we don't need any more dead babies on our consciense, thanks.
*Aircraft not included. DAMN!
Doesn't exactly explain aircraft though. Air turbulance can be a factor, but.......
Methane is flammable -- a big cloud of it getting into a plane engine could ignite, or cause engine failure from insufficient oxygen. (Maybe also cause the pilot to fail from insufficient oxygen.)
-kgj
So, in essence, the sea is farting at us?
Yes, that's the theory.
This display of disrespect cannot go unpunished! We must bomb them!
I propose we ignite the mega-farts with a gigantic Bic lighter -- using butane to fight methane, so to speak.
-kgj
The funny thing about liquids is that they propogate waves pretty well. Shouldn't this result in a tsunami? Or, at the very least, noticable seismic activity?
Good point, worth investigating.
Another funny thing about liquids is when you crack a joke, and someone who is drinking beer laughs really hard and the beer shoots out their nose.
-kgj
at yesterday's naval crude price of 26.32 it only takes a mer $616,651 usd to top the sucker off.
A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
Not only is this very difficult for a country under the age of 18 years to consider, it's also very difficult for landlocked coutries to fathom.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
There are several models of Yakovlyovi carrier-based jet fighters (Yak-36, Yak-38, Yak-141 ) that are VTOL. Also, CHEAP!!!
``L'imagination au povoir.''
You guys want to group? I could probably swing some more over time to handle fuel and maintenance as well. I can weld too.
I vote for anarchy too. You're the first one I'll shoot.
-> all the community events and work could happen there. place it in the middle of nowhere in the ocean - no sco lies would bother us, obsds hackathon could happen there, no export restrictions on strong crypto; no disturbance at all .. wouldnt that be great?
Let's start a company to buy this thing. Name it S.S. Tux. I'll buy $1000.00 worth of stock. There has to be real market potential for a commercial aircraft carrier!
Re-fit the ship so she can carry passengers and make ports of call in the Bahamas or wherever. Ferry people on and off the ship using helocopters (I doubt you could get insurance for other landing methods). Market it as a unique "adventure vacation package."
I also think that it would be important to paint it some non-military color to avoid any possibility of confusion. Perhaps, we could sell sponsorship to Target? The bullseye would be a great place to land the helocoptors!
Off-season we could sail it to Antartica and see some penguins. Or go the the Panama Canal and up the West Coast and sit off of Redmund and moon Bill Gates!
The French carriers, Clemenceau, Foch & Charles De Gaulle, are in 'Extreme Dimensions' (basically decksize including all overhangs) closer to Midway size than they are to the British Light Fleet Carriers (whether the classic cold-war ones or the later VSTOL type). Ontop of which, the Kuzetsov fits in between the Midway & Forestal Classes in everything but the air-wing component (displacement, hull-size & deck size):
British - Colossus Class - late WWII/ cold war angled flight deck catapult Jet carrier - HMS Colossus, Vengeance, Venerable, Mars, Glory, Ocean, Edgar, Theseus, Triumph, Warrior, (French) Arromanches, (Brazil) Minas Gerais (Argentina) Veinticinco De Mayo
Displacement: 18,300 tons full load
imensions: 630 x 80 x 23 feet/192 x 24.4 x 7 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 695 x 80 x 23 feet/211.8 x 24.4 x 7 meters
Aircraft: 37
British - Majestic Class - modified Colossus - HMS Magnificent, Terrible, Majestic, Powerful, Hercules, Leviathan, (Australia) Sydney, Melbourne (Canada) Bonaventure, (India) Vikrant
Displacement: 17,780 tons full load
Dimensions: 630 x 80 x 23 feet/192 x 24.4 x 7 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 695 x 80 x 23 feet/211.8 x 24.4 x 7 meters
Aircraft: 37
British - Centaur Class - Improved Colossus - HMS Centaur, Albion, Bulwark
Displacement: 24,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 650 x 90 x 24.5 feet/198 x 27.4 x 7.5 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 737 x 90 x 24.5 feet/224.6 x 27.4 x 7.5 meters
Aircraft: 42
British - Centaur Class (updated) - VSTOL - HMS Hermes, (India) Viraat
Displacement: 27,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 650 x 90 x 27 feet/198 x 27.4 x 8.2 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 737 x 123 x 27 feet/224.6 x 37.4 x 8.2 meters
Aircraft: 26
British - Invincible class - VSTOL carriers - HMS Invincible, Illustrious, Ark Royal
Displacement: 20,600 tons full load
Dimensions: 632.7 x 90 x 21.3 ft
Extreme Dimensions: 688 x 118 x 28.8 ft
Aircraft: 14 VSTOL + helicopters
French Clemenceau & Foch cold war angled flight deck catapult Jet carrier
Displacement: 32,700 tons full load
Dimensions: 780.8 x 104 x 28.2 feet/238 x 31.7 x 8.6 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 869.5 x 168 x 28.2 feet/265 x 51.2 x 8.6 meters
Aircraft: 40
French Charles De Gaulle - nuclear powered carrier
Displacement: 36,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 780.8 x 103 x 27.8 feet/238 x 31.4 x 8.5 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 858 x 211 x 27.8 feet/261.5 x 64.4 x 8.5 meters
Aircraft: 35-40
Russian Kuznetsov - fullsize ski-jump carrier
Displacement: 67,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 984 x 124.5 x 36 feet/300 x 38 x 11 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 990 x 239 x 36 feet/301.8 x 72.8 x 11 meters
Aircraft: 30+
US Midway class - 1st generation US Super-Carrier
Displacement: 59,901 tons full load
Dimensions: 900 x 113 x 32.75 feet/274.3 x 34.4 x 10 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 968 x 136 x 32.75 feet/295 x 41.5 x 10 meters
Aircraft: 137 (late WWII vintage) or 75 (mid to late Cold War jets)
US Forrestal class - 2nd generation US Super-Carrier
Displacement: 76,614 tons full load
Dimensions: 990 x 129 x 35.5 feet/301.75 x 39.3 x 10.8 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 1040 x 250 x 35.5 feet/317 x 76 x 10.8 meters
Aircraft: 80+