I think you proved my point, and or I did not get my point across.
At no point did I say the 40 would be better than say your 8. What I did say it that you have people in the upper management that are making the picks and they see a big pool of cheap labor. Easy to find Labor and project managers that are use to working with Microsoft products.
You give me a unix project manager worth his salt, and 8 programers worth there salt and hell yea it is going to be better than low to mid level microsoft programers. No kidding....My point it they are harder to find and hire quickly. When all they corporation knows is microsoft, and all the managers know is microsoft you have a hard road to travel. Period.
Your not addressing my point which is that Microsoft is established up the food chain in US corps. Linux is not. Change is not greeted with open arms until you can prove before you do it that it will work, fast, and cheaper than what you have moving forward. This is not easy to do and you have servers already in place with everything they need on it already. To do a project like that you would need new servers, someone with the knowledge to do it etc..etc.. Why do that when I can leverage what I have, not hire more people or use people from a different project.
It is not all about dollars bud, it is about using what you have and trust in house already and change.
short story...they use what they have and know.
Had to fight that if you have not ground level working knowledge of something outside of the system admin and a couple of your star programmers asking for it.
Sorry your arguement is valid it jsut does not address my point.
VB, vbscript,.net, InterDev, asp, SQL and IIS are all things that you have a ready surpus of cheaper workers. Not like JavaScript, php, mysql, Linux, Mono, etc..etc..
I can find 40 low to middle end developers at the drop of a hat, good or bad on the cheap and quick.
That is the #1 problem with open source, it has not reached critical mass for there to be a huge amount of cheap programers. Yes there are many out there, but in now means the numbers that microsoft has.
If you could hire 5 php/mysql/mono programmers and a project manager in less than a week and pay under 250k a year for all of them that is when you will get the corporate world to stand up and notice. Pluse keep in mind that the person looking for these people is going to need to understand what they hell he is trying to find. Until then, it is not cost effective or easy to do even if the OS and software is free.
On my native network where the domiant boxen is Windows, I have found that non-indiginous boxen such as Solaris, Linux, and Mac are slowly taking over one part of my network. They often don't fall victum to the numerous virus and dipshit users. Either by design or just from complexity built into thier mutated form. I have also noticed a cross pollonation that has caused a raise in stability in our fringe windows boxes that are protected by the Alien unix and linux boxen.
It is all just nature at work, I one day hope to see all my boxeb being some kind of freakish hybrid of windows and unix/linux....or maybe the dominate boxen will take over the whole network.
You can bet your ass that NASA is not going to say anything until they know for sure what the hell happend. The last thing they want to do at this point is put out something and have it bite them in the ass at this point.
Anything they release from this point forward is going to be beyond reproach because they can afford for something to errode any credibility.
They are going to be very very careful and very clear. It is really the only way to move foreward.
Sure it is, you could replace the monitor cheaply if you could find a repair shop in your local area to switch it out.
The only problem is those old monitors hold a charge in them for a very long time. Let me tell you the last thing you want is one of them discharging on you, they can kill and that is not and exageration.
Most of them time is is a card that is located near the rear of the tube that have the horizontal, and vertical adjustments on it. Just a guess, I had that go on the Galaga machine.
I would suggest that you get someone that works on them to take a look at it. Just pull the number off the next machine you see in a pizza shop or a laundry map and ask them if you could bring it in to get shopped. They are most of the time happy to do something for a couple of bucks on the side depending on what it cost to fix it.
Not true, there is an apple emulator for x86 that runs Wizardy "Proving grounds of the mad overload" just fine.
I realized that I could still remember how to get to the monster allocation center by memory. That just scares me! I don't remember the name of it, but I did play it for a good week about 2 years ago on a p2 400 x86. Good luck.
I will tell you why I own some older arcade classic coin-ops. Mame is great and all, but when you have an original you have and original. Something that has more to it than just the gaming value.
I can tell you from the way people go "holly shit do those work!" when they walk into my shop and see original Galaga, Centipede, and Sinistar arcade games running . Those games have personal attachment to them. They bring back a time in my generations history that they loved.
Everyone always plays them all the time. There is nothing like hearing "I HUNGER! RUN COWARD!" and the simple sounds from Galaga and people having a good time at those machines. The analog feel of the controls and the battle for the high scores with everyone that plays the games.
It is just something about the classics that make you love them, be it your time with them, or the memories that you have. Sometimes you just can't make something old better with new stuff, it peaked and you can't recreate what the old games have with new equipment.
Reports are coming in that atari is making a Minitower 2600 and to our surprise here at the shop someone told us they have a Vic20 running at 3mhz with 4k of ram in a shuttle case.
Blood amazing! Just when I broke my last paper weight I get a new bigger one. Could someone make me a Beta recorder in a xbox case please?!
Please think a bit about everything that happends when you get this, and figure out if maybe pushing the giant hard and fast will get you what you want. It might just get you everything you ask for, which might not be the very best thing. Microsoft has a very interesting way of taking over something and making it work just well enough to kill what spawned the idea. Granted linux is not you average everyday software package or bottom rung OS so this may not happen as fast or with as much fanfair. All I can say is if you look at the past you will find they are good at at least one thing. Making the masses think they have the best goods. If they switch gears on the Linux community and grab it with both hands and say "We are sorry, we like it! Lets try to work together" don't be surprised when they take over. The Microsoft juggernaut is not something you want hanging around in your backyard sniffing at the roses. Losts of money to force the issue, and enough very smart people to make it happen.
If it is in violation of the GPL that will come out in court.
So you have been using it for year for free? That gives you the right to use it for free forever?
I use the well on next door for free. The current owners and I have a verbal agreement, but I think if someone purchased that land the well was on and asked me to pay a fee to use it every month it would be within his or her rights.
Most people don't like the idea of what you are saying. Someone made something to make money!!!OMG!
Just because you have been getting it for free does not make it yours to take. Apply that to mp3, software, or patents.
God forbid your boss walk up to you and say "you know I should not pay you for your work."
Think about all the overtime you work, do you think you should be paid for it? There ya go, someone is stealing from you and you let it happen does that make it right? Should you try to find a way to get your due money? Is that wrong?
Sorry, I don't have a problem with them doing this.
I realize that you may have put your cracking days behind you but can you really address the question of trust in the computer security industry.
How has your move into the security industry been recieved by the establishment, and how have you been dealing with the obvious question of you being trusted in the very area you manipulated.
State your concerns now. Clear the air and let them know your issues. Do this NOW!
If your scared they will drop you, well that is something you need to think about. Not saying anything is going to make look sloppy or a dolt.
So are you a dolt, or do you have the brass balls to let them know this is unrealistic. Either way make a choice and let them know. Let them make a decision or shut up and grab a paycheck with both hands.
Slashdot Mirror
Why do we have all these new ask slashdot question that sounds like a tech with a years experience is asking how to do his job?
I vote for a new section, "How do I do my job" with a dollar bill as the logo.
Mr. Fusion in the house. Someone find me a flux capacitor!
I think you proved my point, and or I did not get my point across.
At no point did I say the 40 would be better than say your 8. What I did say it that you have people in the upper management that are making the picks and they see a big pool of cheap labor. Easy to find Labor and project managers that are use to working with Microsoft products.
You give me a unix project manager worth his salt, and 8 programers worth there salt and hell yea it is going to be better than low to mid level microsoft programers. No kidding....My point it they are harder to find and hire quickly. When all they corporation knows is microsoft, and all the managers know is microsoft you have a hard road to travel. Period.
Your not addressing my point which is that Microsoft is established up the food chain in US corps. Linux is not. Change is not greeted with open arms until you can prove before you do it that it will work, fast, and cheaper than what you have moving forward. This is not easy to do and you have servers already in place with everything they need on it already. To do a project like that you would need new servers, someone with the knowledge to do it etc..etc.. Why do that when I can leverage what I have, not hire more people or use people from a different project.
It is not all about dollars bud, it is about using what you have and trust in house already and change.
short story...they use what they have and know.
Had to fight that if you have not ground level working knowledge of something outside of the system admin and a couple of your star programmers asking for it.
Sorry your arguement is valid it jsut does not address my point.
VB, vbscript, .net, InterDev, asp, SQL and IIS are all things that you have a ready surpus of cheaper workers. Not like JavaScript, php, mysql, Linux, Mono, etc..etc..
I can find 40 low to middle end developers at the drop of a hat, good or bad on the cheap and quick.
That is the #1 problem with open source, it has not reached critical mass for there to be a huge amount of cheap programers. Yes there are many out there, but in now means the numbers that microsoft has.
If you could hire 5 php/mysql/mono programmers and a project manager in less than a week and pay under 250k a year for all of them that is when you will get the corporate world to stand up and notice. Pluse keep in mind that the person looking for these people is going to need to understand what they hell he is trying to find. Until then, it is not cost effective or easy to do even if the OS and software is free.
On my native network where the domiant boxen is Windows, I have found that non-indiginous boxen such as Solaris, Linux, and Mac are slowly taking over one part of my network. They often don't fall victum to the numerous virus and dipshit users. Either by design or just from complexity built into thier mutated form. I have also noticed a cross pollonation that has caused a raise in stability in our fringe windows boxes that are protected by the Alien unix and linux boxen.
It is all just nature at work, I one day hope to see all my boxeb being some kind of freakish hybrid of windows and unix/linux....or maybe the dominate boxen will take over the whole network.
How do you get the beer stains out?
I think you missed my point.
Don't force your spam on me in a different way.
That is all I am saying, just now they have a more narrow casted target because they can put them in places they know will have the traffic they want.
Spam is spam no matter which way you slice and serve it.
Is a bunch of dogooders putting anti-smoking bubbles near stores, anti-meat bubbles near markets, anti-fur near malls, add to infinity.
Just look at some of the crazy shit those hopped up hippies have put out!
HELLO, this is sarcasum knocking!!!!
good lord.....laugh.
This post was being sarcastic, no one gets sarcasim anymore.
Microsoft also says:
They don't have a monopoly.
They don't have security problems, only lazy customers.
They don't think you should worry about giving them your information.
They don't think 95, 98, 2000, or XP is proprietary.
And the grand daddy of them all, they don't think you need anything but automatic update to keep your system secure.
Wait..I have heard that before....
You can bet your ass that NASA is not going to say anything until they know for sure what the hell happend. The last thing they want to do at this point is put out something and have it bite them in the ass at this point.
Anything they release from this point forward is going to be beyond reproach because they can afford for something to errode any credibility.
They are going to be very very careful and very clear. It is really the only way to move foreward.
Sure it is, you could replace the monitor cheaply if you could find a repair shop in your local area to switch it out.
The only problem is those old monitors hold a charge in them for a very long time. Let me tell you the last thing you want is one of them discharging on you, they can kill and that is not and exageration.
Most of them time is is a card that is located near the rear of the tube that have the horizontal, and vertical adjustments on it. Just a guess, I had that go on the Galaga machine.
I would suggest that you get someone that works on them to take a look at it. Just pull the number off the next machine you see in a pizza shop or a laundry map and ask them if you could bring it in to get shopped. They are most of the time happy to do something for a couple of bucks on the side depending on what it cost to fix it.
Good luck.
Not true, there is an apple emulator for x86 that runs Wizardy "Proving grounds of the mad overload" just fine.
I realized that I could still remember how to get to the monster allocation center by memory. That just scares me! I don't remember the name of it, but I did play it for a good week about 2 years ago on a p2 400 x86. Good luck.
I will tell you why I own some older arcade classic coin-ops. Mame is great and all, but when you have an original you have and original. Something that has more to it than just the gaming value.
I can tell you from the way people go "holly shit do those work!" when they walk into my shop and see original Galaga, Centipede, and Sinistar arcade games running . Those games have personal attachment to them. They bring back a time in my generations history that they loved.
Everyone always plays them all the time. There is nothing like hearing "I HUNGER! RUN COWARD!" and the simple sounds from Galaga and people having a good time at those machines. The analog feel of the controls and the battle for the high scores with everyone that plays the games.
It is just something about the classics that make you love them, be it your time with them, or the memories that you have. Sometimes you just can't make something old better with new stuff, it peaked and you can't recreate what the old games have with new equipment.
Just my views....
Reports are coming in that atari is making a Minitower 2600 and to our surprise here at the shop someone told us they have a Vic20 running at 3mhz with 4k of ram in a shuttle case.
Blood amazing! Just when I broke my last paper weight I get a new bigger one. Could someone make me a Beta recorder in a xbox case please?!
Do you really want microsoft in your backyard?
Please think a bit about everything that happends when you get this, and figure out if maybe pushing the giant hard and fast will get you what you want. It might just get you everything you ask for, which might not be the very best thing. Microsoft has a very interesting way of taking over something and making it work just well enough to kill what spawned the idea. Granted linux is not you average everyday software package or bottom rung OS so this may not happen as fast or with as much fanfair. All I can say is if you look at the past you will find they are good at at least one thing. Making the masses think they have the best goods. If they switch gears on the Linux community and grab it with both hands and say "We are sorry, we like it! Lets try to work together" don't be surprised when they take over. The Microsoft juggernaut is not something you want hanging around in your backyard sniffing at the roses. Losts of money to force the issue, and enough very smart people to make it happen.
Again I have been known to be wrong....
That is the best you have?
Please, crawl back behind your linux box and cry about not having all your games ported or something.
I think maybe your the biggot here bub.
Hugs and kisses...xoxo
Now instead of the Mobs in halflife your going to be shooting BSA agents coming to check your licenses.
Key phrase here -> Purchased the patent.
Patent owner...I own it, you use it, you pay me.
Why is this hard to understand?
If it is in violation of the GPL that will come out in court.
So you have been using it for year for free? That gives you the right to use it for free forever?
I use the well on next door for free. The current owners and I have a verbal agreement, but I think if someone purchased that land the well was on and asked me to pay a fee to use it every month it would be within his or her rights.
Just my view, I have been known to be wrong.
Most people don't like the idea of what you are saying. Someone made something to make money!!!OMG!
Just because you have been getting it for free does not make it yours to take. Apply that to mp3, software, or patents.
God forbid your boss walk up to you and say "you know I should not pay you for your work."
Think about all the overtime you work, do you think you should be paid for it? There ya go, someone is stealing from you and you let it happen does that make it right? Should you try to find a way to get your due money? Is that wrong?
Sorry, I don't have a problem with them doing this.
I realize that you may have put your cracking days behind you but can you really address the question of trust in the computer security industry.
How has your move into the security industry been recieved by the establishment, and how have you been dealing with the obvious question of you being trusted in the very area you manipulated.
Everyone has been in this position!
What, never heard the saying:
Good, cheap, Quick: Pick 2.
State your concerns now. Clear the air and let them know your issues. Do this NOW!
If your scared they will drop you, well that is something you need to think about. Not saying anything is going to make look sloppy or a dolt.
So are you a dolt, or do you have the brass balls to let them know this is unrealistic. Either way make a choice and let them know. Let them make a decision or shut up and grab a paycheck with both hands.
Good luck.