30 feet that is it? Hell use sneaker net and pay a intern 5.25 and hour to run the data back and forth.
Get a marketing intern for 10baset, a business intern for 100baseT, and a CS intern for 1000baseT. Keep in mind for the 100/1000 you going to need 2 interns for the full duplex.
If you want to figure out what is going on with your workers just pick up one of the tri delta girls and set her to permiscous mode......
This is a given. Ff you playing at this level you need redundancy. Problem is what if it is not a hardware error, something else? How about a bug that hoses it from a malformed packet or something like that. DOes not matter how redundant you are, your down.
Support is key. Get good support, I am not a linux or a microsfot biggot. I just believe in the right tool for the right job at the right price, with the right support. OSS sometimes is not the solution and it sometimes lacks support for things you can get a better shake on somewhere else.
1> that is great, I am sure you can find support there for almost anything. Including stuff that has support for non OSS projects.
2> That is great what if it is not in the "HOWTO's?". Last time I checked I did not see a HOWTO: What do do when your OSS load balancer goes down and they don't have any support. This is a blanket answer that assumes that what ever he gets has a howto. It also assumes that I can wait on e-mail. Or search for help or anything else under the sun that takes time. I don't want to be in this possition to have to go find help, I want to know it is there. Where, when, and my call...OSS programers/hackers/anything unless you find the right group that is getting paid is not this.
3> Ahhh...ok that is great. You know this personally that every one of them lists the developers? I can call them? I can e-mail them and expect a response quickly? NO you say? mabye...I don't think I want to wait someones e-mail response on the future of my company. Sorry that just does not cut it.
4> Ok now we are getting someplace. This is called support, which is what I said you need to check into. Glad that you agree.
That last statement is an assumption. Period. You don't know that the guy the wrote the OSS is not a high school kid. Not that it even matters. What happends when someone tells you they don't know.
Your telling me that if I had websphere, cisco, or microsoft that you can HONESTLY that a business can get the same support from people for free you can from paying someone? No you can't not for all of them, not for even 10% of them. So I said make sure you have support....find the one that falls in the 10%, buy a product with support at the ready. I did not say "don't get OSS". I said get something with support, your the one the jumped at "OSS does not have support". Why is that?
I don't have time to wait for and e-mail, or a programmer to come back from snowboarding...or whatever when a 4million hit a day e-com site goes down. Sorry, you just can't play in that league without some security around your hardware, software, and everything else. Which your average everyday OSS project just does not have. Sorry if I got your nickers in a twist. Just the way it is.
If so did you call support? Who are you going to call if it is OSS? Make sure what ever you pick has at least some kind of level of support if this is a mission critical web farm. The last thing you want to have is a 24/7 web farm down and a manager standing behind you screaming.
No matter what anyone else here says, make sure you have support for this thing unless you are the one the wrote it, or it is just not that important to you to keep it up 24/7.
Hire a intern that does nothing but reset passwords. You can set up a script in NT/linux/solaris what ever that only has this ability.
Pay him nothing if it is and intern, or pay him the minimums. Force him to sign a security agreement first of course.
Now what you have is someone that is getting paid next to nothing that has taken 50% of your work load out of the picture costing less than anything upper management could ever dream.
My suggestion is that you find someone in your family, friends, or something like that. Someone just out of high school that you have a personal contact with. IE you can trust him more than the average joe. Then lay it out for them "look man, I have a job where all you have to do is change passwords all day and you can study, play games, etc..etc.. and get paid like you where flipping burgers.". Dream job for the average noob computer guy.
For pets sake, can't you people here read between the lines. This guy is not "paying" someone anything. He is most likely set some shit up behind a company firewall and is having a hard time getting his way around security set to to keep him from doing crap like this.
Ask slashdot has become the defacto "help me breach security for my own means" howto stop of choice. Yes I know how he can get around it, but I am sure as hell not going to tell him. Alas he is not asking for an elegant hack, he is asking for what amounts to a script kiddie hack to tunnel his ntp or anything else he wants.
Do your own homework if your going to do stuff like this, otherwise if I am wrong, change ISP's. An ISP that does not do what the customer asks is not longer providing a service.
They are these litte cast steel scroll volume deals that you can alias out to anything. They have a slick ass breathing like glow under them that will make everyone that walks by stop and say "What the hell is that thing?!".
I got 5 of these things for my friends for x-mas and everyone loves them. They work on pretty much everything as far as I can tell. They have drivers for every flavor of windows, osx, and os9 on the mac. I did not see any linux drivers but I am sure they are out there somewhere if you can get it to run on osX. You can give the spin a key to send when you use it, say "send left-arrow" when you spin it to the right, right-arrow to the left...send alt-cntrl-del when you click it. One of the guys uses it to scroll web pages and the click to switch tab in pheonix...the perfect porn browser...err game site...whatever..
The servers you sampled are administered by MCSEs'. Come one now, you know that this has to be the case, because no Linux admin could ever be lazy enough not to patch his system, this is the sole right of a paper MCSE.
Yea that was me pointing at you, the long haired pasty white guy with the god complex. You have become your own worst enemy. You have become lazy and ignorant because no one knew linux and you could rule. We guess what, with getting into the big league comes the price of being exposed.
Better brush up and get on the stick because yes a lot of MCSEs are lazy, no good, paper test taking gimps but your more dangerous. You take the assumption that you are secure, but as more eyeballs look at your systmes as linux gains marketshare you going to have the same issues.
Depressing no? Enjoy the ride, your in the spot light now my friends just like the windows guys....get to your patches like a good boy.
I think you will find that this is the reason for most things in the world with humans.
As a whole, we don't like change. Changing requires work and relearning. Some of us love this, and do it just to do it. The masses don't including people here at slashdot.
You will also find the most new users will use windows out of the box because everyone else they know is using it, and they can help you with it.
So, here it is:
What you learned on Games Ease of use Help is easier to find Every system at work is windows More applications compatibilty in relation to the rest of you world without some tweaking.
All in all, the issue is that everything I need to do I can do on windows, why make it harder for myself just to use linux. When linux is as easy to use, you don't need to tweak it to be compatible with everything else, and I can play games on it, that is when it is a force. Until then it is just trying to catch up. Once it does I will give it a look for a desktop machine, until this time comes it will just run my DNS/Apache/Sendmail at work.
Linux is rock solid as a server for what I use it for. I don't have the time to tinker with linux all day to get something I want to work, at work on my desktop.
Although, your not able to buy crack and have no one know who you are....I think you will find this is the next step in credit card transactions. Pre-paid anonymous credit cards with the ability to transfer funds between them. Credits if you will...haha..latnum maybe...
Digital Cash...credit card...digital cash...credit card...umm someone help me understand why this is not digital cash?
No matter what company does it there is going to be a fee attached. Digital cash is here, and most people have it already. Why make it harder than it is. Next time you buy something on the internet what did you just use to get it? Plastic Cash?
give me one thing you can do on a p2p network that you can't do anouther way.
this is not about censorship, this is about the uni taking away your access to steal shit really easy.
If your not bright enough to figure out how to steal anouther way, well you just don't deserve to steal.
Grow up move on.
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Well what we did back in the day was not what they do now, but I pride myself in doing it years before it became interesting.
We use to use a surfboard that had snapped in half in large surf, glass the jagged end to avoid fiberglass in your arse of course. Then make a loop leash plug, IE a place to tie a rope in your case.
Then we took an approx 20 pound piece of tug-boat drive shaft that had been cut down that we had been using for a shallow draft bay boat while fishing. If you use a anchor you get caught on crap on the bottom much more than if you use something that is basically a what amounts to a cylinder of solid steal about 12 inch long and 5 inch wide. So you have something heavy, with no sharp points, that you can keep on a boat and not worry about driving it though your leg or kicking it with no shoes and loosing toe.
Now we would wait for some 20+ winds on the beach, crank up our 10+ wingspan stunt kites, and sit on 1/2 a surfboard with a 20 pound weight under our legs attached to a 8 foot surfboard leash. This leash being attached to the back of the snapped surfboard in the leash loop. We would get going fast or toward something that we did not want to ram head first into we just kicked that make shift anchor off and it did quite the job of slowing us down. Not enough to fly off the front just slow you down with drag to get you under control.
Good luck, I would love to hear if this works for you. You could also deploy a small runners chute behind you to bring your speed down to sub-sonic...ahahaha...either way this would be fun to watch.
If you want a real answer your going to have to supply more info. You need to think about the number of machines, the types of mahcines you need, the level of support, and the amount of on site tech staff you have.
Are you a technology company or are you just gimping systems for your marketoids?
Do you need servers(+20)? How many computers total? Factor your tech staff for onsite help? Can you handle being down for a day if a system poops on you? If a server craps on you? If your CEO's craptard of a son installs something on his computer and hoses it, can he be down for a day?
You have a ton to think about here. If your looking for a blanket answer to this question.
Small amount of staff, large number of computers, and a support contract. You deal with 48 hour or more turn around time.
Medium staff, large nubmer of computers, you build them. Couple hour turn around time.
Something people might not point out to you is also the fact that if you lease computers there is a large blame shift to the company you leased from. Your no longer the IT that can't keep shit running...Then again, your no longer as "in control" of it either.
Everything has goods and bads, you really just need to sit down and figure out which one is better for you, and in your company. We can't make that call, we don't see it everyday like you do.
Well that is great, lets assume your servers...being a porn site listed on your sig are set to handle this sort of thing. That is great, and I will also assume that you have a burstable t1/ds3/oc connection. Great for you. Not everyone running a sites has this set up. Some people have one server, with a t1. Which is very easy to slashdot. Not a server farm, jacked to the nines(pun intended) with a burstable ds3.
Read the above 5 time real fast, let it sink in nice and deep. Don't make the same mistake twice.
It is all fine and dandy that you want to live up to your ideals. It is your ideals that are flawed. Company server, company time, company resources. You were asked to do something, you did not do it. Fix your ethical issue by realizing that your trying to flex your own muscles.
Once you realize that your just a high tech janitor the better off you will be. Live and learn, but for christ sakes don't think you have any control because you don't. You want control, start you own company and push your ethics out that way.
I think I need a full cell powered grill. I will need it to cook up that bird/flying evil thing/mothra from Alaska. UMmmm....wings...FIREUP THE FULLCELL!!!
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30 feet that is it? Hell use sneaker net and pay a intern 5.25 and hour to run the data back and forth.
Get a marketing intern for 10baset, a business intern for 100baseT, and a CS intern for 1000baseT. Keep in mind for the 100/1000 you going to need 2 interns for the full duplex.
If you want to figure out what is going on with your workers just pick up one of the tri delta girls and set her to permiscous mode......
Windows nt40, 2000, Red Hat, Debian, and Solaris.
I think that just about covers them all in the datacenter.
out on the floor, 95/98/nt40/2000, linux, and Mac osX.
Outside of some warp and BeOs, we have a pretty strong mix of everything.
1 dba, 2 admins... 200+ servers, 2 DS3 lines, 8 T1's, 120 people local 1100 people worldwide.
They wonder if they can cut one of the admins cause it is slow around x-mas....go figure.
This is a given. Ff you playing at this level you need redundancy. Problem is what if it is not a hardware error, something else? How about a bug that hoses it from a malformed packet or something like that. DOes not matter how redundant you are, your down.
Support is key. Get good support, I am not a linux or a microsfot biggot. I just believe in the right tool for the right job at the right price, with the right support. OSS sometimes is not the solution and it sometimes lacks support for things you can get a better shake on somewhere else.
Just my 2 cents.
1> that is great, I am sure you can find support there for almost anything. Including stuff that has support for non OSS projects.
2> That is great what if it is not in the "HOWTO's?". Last time I checked I did not see a HOWTO: What do do when your OSS load balancer goes down and they don't have any support. This is a blanket answer that assumes that what ever he gets has a howto. It also assumes that I can wait on e-mail. Or search for help or anything else under the sun that takes time. I don't want to be in this possition to have to go find help, I want to know it is there. Where, when, and my call...OSS programers/hackers/anything unless you find the right group that is getting paid is not this.
3> Ahhh...ok that is great. You know this personally that every one of them lists the developers? I can call them? I can e-mail them and expect a response quickly? NO you say? mabye...I don't think I want to wait someones e-mail response on the future of my company. Sorry that just does not cut it.
4> Ok now we are getting someplace. This is called support, which is what I said you need to check into. Glad that you agree.
That last statement is an assumption. Period. You don't know that the guy the wrote the OSS is not a high school kid. Not that it even matters. What happends when someone tells you they don't know.
Your telling me that if I had websphere, cisco, or microsoft that you can HONESTLY that a business can get the same support from people for free you can from paying someone? No you can't not for all of them, not for even 10% of them. So I said make sure you have support....find the one that falls in the 10%, buy a product with support at the ready. I did not say "don't get OSS". I said get something with support, your the one the jumped at "OSS does not have support". Why is that?
I don't have time to wait for and e-mail, or a programmer to come back from snowboarding...or whatever when a 4million hit a day e-com site goes down. Sorry, you just can't play in that league without some security around your hardware, software, and everything else. Which your average everyday OSS project just does not have. Sorry if I got your nickers in a twist. Just the way it is.
Mod up above, I would love to see thinkgeek make that a bumper sticker.
If so did you call support? Who are you going to call if it is OSS? Make sure what ever you pick has at least some kind of level of support if this is a mission critical web farm. The last thing you want to have is a 24/7 web farm down and a manager standing behind you screaming.
No matter what anyone else here says, make sure you have support for this thing unless you are the one the wrote it, or it is just not that important to you to keep it up 24/7.
Is there a HID with a the robocop spike on the horizon?
Hire a intern that does nothing but reset passwords. You can set up a script in NT/linux/solaris what ever that only has this ability.
Pay him nothing if it is and intern, or pay him the minimums. Force him to sign a security agreement first of course.
Now what you have is someone that is getting paid next to nothing that has taken 50% of your work load out of the picture costing less than anything upper management could ever dream.
My suggestion is that you find someone in your family, friends, or something like that. Someone just out of high school that you have a personal contact with. IE you can trust him more than the average joe. Then lay it out for them "look man, I have a job where all you have to do is change passwords all day and you can study, play games, etc..etc.. and get paid like you where flipping burgers.". Dream job for the average noob computer guy.
good luck,
For pets sake, can't you people here read between the lines. This guy is not "paying" someone anything. He is most likely set some shit up behind a company firewall and is having a hard time getting his way around security set to to keep him from doing crap like this.
Ask slashdot has become the defacto "help me breach security for my own means" howto stop of choice. Yes I know how he can get around it, but I am sure as hell not going to tell him. Alas he is not asking for an elegant hack, he is asking for what amounts to a script kiddie hack to tunnel his ntp or anything else he wants.
Do your own homework if your going to do stuff like this, otherwise if I am wrong, change ISP's. An ISP that does not do what the customer asks is not longer providing a service.
telnet www.apple.com 80 has all the functionality that I need.
I enjoy the Griffin Technology "PowerMate"
They are these litte cast steel scroll volume deals that you can alias out to anything. They have a slick ass breathing like glow under them that will make everyone that walks by stop and say "What the hell is that thing?!".
I got 5 of these things for my friends for x-mas and everyone loves them. They work on pretty much everything as far as I can tell. They have drivers for every flavor of windows, osx, and os9 on the mac. I did not see any linux drivers but I am sure they are out there somewhere if you can get it to run on osX. You can give the spin a key to send when you use it, say "send left-arrow" when you spin it to the right, right-arrow to the left...send alt-cntrl-del when you click it. One of the guys uses it to scroll web pages and the click to switch tab in pheonix...the perfect porn browser...err game site...whatever..
Anyway check em out.
The servers you sampled are administered by MCSEs'. Come one now, you know that this has to be the case, because no Linux admin could ever be lazy enough not to patch his system, this is the sole right of a paper MCSE.
Yea that was me pointing at you, the long haired pasty white guy with the god complex. You have become your own worst enemy. You have become lazy and ignorant because no one knew linux and you could rule. We guess what, with getting into the big league comes the price of being exposed.
Better brush up and get on the stick because yes a lot of MCSEs are lazy, no good, paper test taking gimps but your more dangerous. You take the assumption that you are secure, but as more eyeballs look at your systmes as linux gains marketshare you going to have the same issues.
Depressing no? Enjoy the ride, your in the spot light now my friends just like the windows guys....get to your patches like a good boy.
I think you will find that this is the reason for most things in the world with humans.
As a whole, we don't like change. Changing requires work and relearning. Some of us love this, and do it just to do it. The masses don't including people here at slashdot.
You will also find the most new users will use windows out of the box because everyone else they know is using it, and they can help you with it.
So, here it is:
What you learned on
Games
Ease of use
Help is easier to find
Every system at work is windows
More applications compatibilty in relation to the rest of you world without some tweaking.
All in all, the issue is that everything I need to do I can do on windows, why make it harder for myself just to use linux. When linux is as easy to use, you don't need to tweak it to be compatible with everything else, and I can play games on it, that is when it is a force. Until then it is just trying to catch up. Once it does I will give it a look for a desktop machine, until this time comes it will just run my DNS/Apache/Sendmail at work.
Linux is rock solid as a server for what I use it for. I don't have the time to tinker with linux all day to get something I want to work, at work on my desktop.
Although, your not able to buy crack and have no one know who you are....I think you will find this is the next step in credit card transactions. Pre-paid anonymous credit cards with the ability to transfer funds between them. Credits if you will...haha..latnum maybe...
Digital Cash...credit card...digital cash...credit card...umm someone help me understand why this is not digital cash?
No matter what company does it there is going to be a fee attached. Digital cash is here, and most people have it already. Why make it harder than it is. Next time you buy something on the internet what did you just use to get it? Plastic Cash?
Anyone want to guess what the WarChacking Symbol for this would end up being? Mabye a secure network symbol a barbed wire? Condom? gun? Handcuffs?
give me one thing you can do on a p2p network that you can't do anouther way.
this is not about censorship, this is about the uni taking away your access to steal shit really easy.
If your not bright enough to figure out how to steal anouther way, well you just don't deserve to steal.
Grow up move on.
Well what we did back in the day was not what they do now, but I pride myself in doing it years before it became interesting.
We use to use a surfboard that had snapped in half in large surf, glass the jagged end to avoid fiberglass in your arse of course. Then make a loop leash plug, IE a place to tie a rope in your case.
Then we took an approx 20 pound piece of tug-boat drive shaft that had been cut down that we had been using for a shallow draft bay boat while fishing. If you use a anchor you get caught on crap on the bottom much more than if you use something that is basically a what amounts to a cylinder of solid steal about 12 inch long and 5 inch wide. So you have something heavy, with no sharp points, that you can keep on a boat and not worry about driving it though your leg or kicking it with no shoes and loosing toe.
Now we would wait for some 20+ winds on the beach, crank up our 10+ wingspan stunt kites, and sit on 1/2 a surfboard with a 20 pound weight under our legs attached to a 8 foot surfboard leash. This leash being attached to the back of the snapped surfboard in the leash loop. We would get going fast or toward something that we did not want to ram head first into we just kicked that make shift anchor off and it did quite the job of slowing us down. Not enough to fly off the front just slow you down with drag to get you under control.
Good luck, I would love to hear if this works for you. You could also deploy a small runners chute behind you to bring your speed down to sub-sonic...ahahaha...either way this would be fun to watch.
You would think they would just realize the it might have been more than one. Look at last 1/2 dozen that smaked into Jupiter.
Nothing like a one two punch to really put a cloud in the sky and cool things down.
If you want a real answer your going to have to supply more info. You need to think about the number of machines, the types of mahcines you need, the level of support, and the amount of on site tech staff you have.
Are you a technology company or are you just gimping systems for your marketoids?
Do you need servers(+20)?
How many computers total?
Factor your tech staff for onsite help?
Can you handle being down for a day if a system poops on you?
If a server craps on you?
If your CEO's craptard of a son installs something on his computer and hoses it, can he be down for a day?
You have a ton to think about here. If your looking for a blanket answer to this question.
Small amount of staff, large number of computers, and a support contract. You deal with 48 hour or more turn around time.
Medium staff, large nubmer of computers, you build them. Couple hour turn around time.
Something people might not point out to you is also the fact that if you lease computers there is a large blame shift to the company you leased from. Your no longer the IT that can't keep shit running...Then again, your no longer as "in control" of it either.
Everything has goods and bads, you really just need to sit down and figure out which one is better for you, and in your company. We can't make that call, we don't see it everyday like you do.
Good luck.
Who knew I would be able to fool everyone by using a little rascle! I AM FREE!
Well that is great, lets assume your servers...being a porn site listed on your sig are set to handle this sort of thing. That is great, and I will also assume that you have a burstable t1/ds3/oc connection. Great for you. Not everyone running a sites has this set up. Some people have one server, with a t1. Which is very easy to slashdot. Not a server farm, jacked to the nines(pun intended) with a burstable ds3.
Let me break it down to you:
Your boss asked for something.
You said no.
He fired you.
Read the above 5 time real fast, let it sink in nice and deep. Don't make the same mistake twice.
It is all fine and dandy that you want to live up to your ideals. It is your ideals that are flawed. Company server, company time, company resources. You were asked to do something, you did not do it. Fix your ethical issue by realizing that your trying to flex your own muscles.
Once you realize that your just a high tech janitor the better off you will be. Live and learn, but for christ sakes don't think you have any control because you don't. You want control, start you own company and push your ethics out that way.
I think I need a full cell powered grill. I will need it to cook up that bird/flying evil thing/mothra from Alaska. UMmmm....wings...FIREUP THE FULLCELL!!!