Nothing is free, you pay one way or the other. From now on, just assume your getting the big five finger when you sign up for anything free. Your choice.
The only reason they get away with this is the the uppermanagement has let this happen. Your boss should be standing up for you, your projects, and your teams outlook. If you have problems with the salesmen the way you say, you should get them all in a room with everyone involved and figure out who is saying "you guys do this". Why on earth would uppermanagement want to saddle down the salemen, when they sell something and you guys are on salary? If you don't get overtime and someone is making unrealistic goals for you who cares. Not uppermanagement, they are all for the slave labor bit. Sounds to me your in a job that is taking advantage of you, get a backbone, get gone, or bring it to boil. People use people because they don't say anything or standup for themselves. Your scared you might be over payed, or would have trouble finding a job if you got fired. Figure out which it is, face it, and move on.
I say this as a spinless jellyfish that is in the same boat. I recently got a backbone, had it snapped and handed back to me.
Come on, do some research. Ask Slashdot is by far the quickest way to get a legion of smart people with nothing to do but read slashdot to find your answers. Got a problem you don't want to waste an hour or two looking for the answer. Just ask slashdot.
That 100k was a joke right? We have 4 2tb SANS where I am and I can tell you that any 2 of them would eclipse your guess. Lets not get into the shelf disks, the extract fabrics, the Raid eating some of your space. Opss did I forget the support contract, the ups the size of a cubical, and a libert air conditioner to cool this room full of spinning drives? Wait minute, your going to need full redundant backups for all this shit, the Gbic switches to controll access, the rack space, and all the fiber hba cards for the servers.(unless you go coper).
Then you want to back this up? Break out your checkbook again for a Compaq minilibary if your lucky, that is only 10 tapes x 80gig a tape...800gig..and that is if your really doing well. So put that on top of it all 10x10X80 gives you 8 TB of backup at around 30k each for the minilibs, the price just keeps on jumpin!
No way, no how, not today or tomorrow. 100k will get you a floor full of 120gig maxtor drives and that is about it.
Ho lord, I really really fell for him on that one. XP is not fun to hand hold with, more so if this is the first taste of computers for them.
I really do agree with your point on the single function I was just trying to point on more than anything else, which I think I failed to do is that:
#1. if you put linux on that machine, your the only person for help they can call. It is hard enough to get help with a computer, let alone if you pick an OS that is not the one everyone else has. You would be amazed how many people have at least a little knowledge with windows and are willing to help a greeny.
#2. Everyone else has these cutsy little craptard things that your "person" is going to want to use as they get into computers. It is just human nature to want to fit it.
#3. Which I agree with you on, is if you lock them out they have a very secure and robust machine for what they are doing. Stressing that is all they want to do.
XP....sends chills down my spine now just thinking about my parents, grandparents, friends, and other extended members of my family who know what I do for a living and have me on speed dial.
If you do this, welcome to support hell. You will get calls why this does not work. That is not here...etc.
If you want calls about how to get the *nix to work like windows by all means sign them up. I really would like to stress just droping win95 on it. Scream all you want but it is a small foot print, it is stable if your really only using for for word processing, and you not the "only well of knowledge" for that os.
Just my views, I have only put a computer in about quite a few famialy/friends homes and linux in the long run always ends up kicking my ass. That is because they get hooked on the computer and they want to talk about it with frinds, share all the stupid shit that is not going to work on linux without some computer skills to get it to work.
Linux and endless support for "my friends computer does this" how come I don't have the stuff he has...
Install windows and the crash now and then with the virus that goes with it. Install linux and be the only person that can help them, and deal with the why does this not work like everyone else "I" know besides you that runs windows.
Hard choice, make it wisely for your friends. There are cases for both, just depends which set of problems you are going to want to deal with.
Good luck, and get use to being someones free tech support for the life of that computer. The linux biggots are going to eat me alive on this, but that just shows they are like a lot of people I know. They don't use the best tool for the job, they use the tool that they can wave like a badge of knowledge even if it was not the best choice.
If that is true, and please correct me if I am wrong because I have not taken the full time needed to read the EULA top to bottom like I should. Why on earth would they allow you to turn it off. If it is turned off, they can't update squat can they? If it is turned off this issue becomes moot.
Alas, I will bow to your knowledge on the subject because I have not done the due dilegence to argue. Please enlighten me why this is even and issue if all you have to do is turn off the auto update feature.
Cripes man, have you ever seen the cost of a Unix oracle installation??
Why did SQL6/7/2000 ever get a foot hold? Look at the prices.
Yes, indeed medical should have the money to buy this stuff, but a lot of places are on the verge and can't spent this kind of money.
#2 - Install your sp3 and disable the auto-update. Sometimes I think slashdot puts this kind of crap up as one large troll. Not that microsoft is a saint, or even a normal sinner, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. The stance that you leave out a little information to try to make a point is bias. Every day slashdot slips down the slippery slope and it is starting to get ugly.
Until there is a wide spread need for a "Non DRM" hardware solution this will not happen. Right now the masses are ignorant, and sheepish. If ever we will all wake up and realize we don't want this, then demand may one day fill the void.
supply and demand, and right now no one is asking for this product. When they do it will surface, I just don't think that will ever happen in big enough numbers. You will end up shelling out very large amounts of money for a niche product.
Start stocking up on your pre-drm hard-drives you may have a market down the road.
Think this is wild, what about the family down in south Florida that got CHIPED with the ADSX chips that hold your medical records. They also have batteries that suck the heat away from your body to produce energy to run. Within the they believe they will have GPS in them. All this in a chip the size of a piece of rice. They are putting them in everything from Dogs to Cattle, and people are next....Lost your kid? Here, that little rug rat is on your handy dandy webpage, via gps...
Anyway, as much big brother as this screams I think parents are going to jump all over the Applied Digital Solutions chip. It is just a matter of time.
The best bet that I have found with buying systems that are used, in bulk is just to go ahead and assume that they are all broke. Assume nothing is going to work right, and factor in how much it is going to cost you in time to get something working and if it is worth it. I had the luck of running up on about 20 p2 systems a year back and purchased them for 30 bucks each, assuming that everything in them was hosed and the most I could get out of them was one or 2 parts on average. I got more on most, 1/2 had failed drives was the biggest problem. Followed by hosed motherboards. All in all I got about 12 full systems out of the 20, and gave them away like candy to people I knew that needed them. Ended up keeping 3 for myself. It all ended well, but assume they are hosed and you will not end up on the short end.
Good luck,
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You really want some reasons that companies use IIS and not Apache when they upgrade.
#1. InterDev - They can hire 3 point and click monkeys to one coder that knows java well.
#2. Older code - They don't want to change what they use now. They would require whole coding projects to start over scraping what they have.
#3. The Lead Developers would cry, because they are not near as productive in (c, c++, java, php) as they are in vb, vbscript, and InterDev.
#4. Problems, they already have 99% of them worked out on nt40/2000 in their environment. They know it, they love it, they don't want to change it. They don't want the headache of changing code, OS, and all the problems and man hours that go with it. Just to have a "free os". They don't have the programers, they don't have the talent, and they don't have the downtime to do it.
#5. No one likes change.
#6. The CIO is a SQL/IIS old school user. You can't change 3000 hours of programing in ASP/SQL/XML into PHP/MySql/PERL/XML/CGI and not have a huge huge cost. More than anything you will ever see in savings from a system os. Plus you get all the problems...again.
It is real simple what Microsoft is doing here, after years of domination, the courts on their collective asses, they have found an out.
They scream as loud as they can "LINUX AND IBM ARE OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM!". In one very quick and slick move they have created a competitor that really is not one, but on the surface looks huge and has teeth. The much touted Linux OS, and the big bad IBM has come together to give us a run for our money. I can hear it now "See we are not a monopoly, see we have to do all this evil things to be competitive!".
This gives them a nice trump card to play in court, and in the public eye.
Why would that be a troll? Just because it does not happen where you are does not mean that it does not happen where I am. Was not a plug at developers, just a pop at someplace I use to work.
Then again, your right it could just be a troll....wink. You never can tell with me.
I guess that would really just depend on where you work. As we see it here, the developers don't have to work 70 hours a week. They don't get called in the weee hours and have only one project to deal with, maybe 2 if your really pushing it.
On the other hand, I have to deal with "All of the projects" because they run on the servers. I get the calls at 3am because of not only server issues, line issues, and power issues, but also because of really bad programing.
Now don't get me started on who has the easy job, because I can tell you from being on both sides which one is easy. If your talking about the sysadmin with less than 20 servers fine, but when your talking about 40+ web servers, 20 more SQL servers(with 2 terra of data), 15 applications servers, backups for all this crap, and 40+ junior developers than think they are senior. Well then you have quite a different story. This is just one of 3 international locations, throw the rest in with VPNs, 2 DS3 lines, 12 T1's, 4 6509's, 4 LoadBalancinging server, 15 smaller switches, a 300 person pbx system, Solaris, Firewalls, routers, I think you are starting to see my point. You get one think to work with and stress over, we get all the rest and your one thing as well.
Just because you think you have a hard job and we have it easy does not mean it is true. Just because we work hard to get the shit working does not = a cushy job. If I could make the money I do now programing it would not even take me 1/2 second to switch sides. Trust me, the programing part is the best pick when it comes to having a life and a job. At least in my experience. Take it for what it is worth, I am just a gimp and have been wrong before.
I would just like every developer that says "it is a server issue" to be forced to take the "perfect" code they have and submit it to a code review before he/she gets to me. That would be the best present of all. Just so I don't have to spend hours digging into it to prove it was that code, in the process fixing the error, and doing thier job. Wait! I just realized, this may be by design. I can hear my CIO now, "if you have a problem that you can't seem to fix, just upload it into production, blame the server, and force the Admin team to prove you wrong. This will narrow cast your problem, and you can work on something else while they figure it out."
Seeing a demand spike in old technology, and the increased cost of Flat screens has caused us to look at our decision a little closer. We are now going to sell the CRTs as a "Value Added" option to the Flat Panels. The price will be added via a yearly CRT subscription fee of $100 dollars.
To quote our leader "The Days of the Free Display are over."
I was wondering if you have any special tools/ideas/techs that you will be using you your new film "Blue Crush". I know it is about surfing and women, two of my favorite things in the world. Have computer graphics finally come to the point where you can render say, Pipeline on a 20 foot day, and be tricked into thinking it was real. Rendering a pitching monster over a reef and not looking fake is going to be one serious effect.
I strongly suggest that you look over the contract that you signed. I believe you will find that this is not the case.
Give it anouther look. I am not going to say this is 100% sure, but for roadrunner it is. I would guess, and that is all it is, that you company has the same contract. One user, one connection, no reserve IP's on a proxy network. Give it anouther look and tell me what you find in writing, not what the salesman may have spoken in an effort to sell you.
Good luck, if it does not say this now it will in the near future. Switch to one that does not care if you can find them, and if you do find one let us know we would all love to do that on the up and up.
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Your kidding right? I guess saying that I was thinking some Manetee jerky would be good the other day is wrong also.
I am sure I am going straight to hell for that one.....weeeee.
Man...just the idea of 13 foot wing span makes my lips start to twitch. UMMM....wings....hot sauce...FIRE UP THE GRILL!!!
Nothing is free, you pay one way or the other. From now on, just assume your getting the big five finger when you sign up for anything free. Your choice.
The only reason they get away with this is the the uppermanagement has let this happen. Your boss should be standing up for you, your projects, and your teams outlook. If you have problems with the salesmen the way you say, you should get them all in a room with everyone involved and figure out who is saying "you guys do this". Why on earth would uppermanagement want to saddle down the salemen, when they sell something and you guys are on salary? If you don't get overtime and someone is making unrealistic goals for you who cares. Not uppermanagement, they are all for the slave labor bit. Sounds to me your in a job that is taking advantage of you, get a backbone, get gone, or bring it to boil. People use people because they don't say anything or standup for themselves. Your scared you might be over payed, or would have trouble finding a job if you got fired. Figure out which it is, face it, and move on.
I say this as a spinless jellyfish that is in the same boat. I recently got a backbone, had it snapped and handed back to me.
Come on, do some research. Ask Slashdot is by far the quickest way to get a legion of smart people with nothing to do but read slashdot to find your answers. Got a problem you don't want to waste an hour or two looking for the answer. Just ask slashdot.
Ask slashdot is just a smarter search engine.
That 100k was a joke right? We have 4 2tb SANS where I am and I can tell you that any 2 of them would eclipse your guess. Lets not get into the shelf disks, the extract fabrics, the Raid eating some of your space. Opss did I forget the support contract, the ups the size of a cubical, and a libert air conditioner to cool this room full of spinning drives? Wait minute, your going to need full redundant backups for all this shit, the Gbic switches to controll access, the rack space, and all the fiber hba cards for the servers.(unless you go coper).
Then you want to back this up? Break out your checkbook again for a Compaq minilibary if your lucky, that is only 10 tapes x 80gig a tape...800gig..and that is if your really doing well. So put that on top of it all 10x10X80 gives you 8 TB of backup at around 30k each for the minilibs, the price just keeps on jumpin!
No way, no how, not today or tomorrow. 100k will get you a floor full of 120gig maxtor drives and that is about it.
Great, now I have crank on linux and windows. Home life is now gone, along with all work productivity.
Ho lord, I really really fell for him on that one. XP is not fun to hand hold with, more so if this is the first taste of computers for them.
I really do agree with your point on the single function I was just trying to point on more than anything else, which I think I failed to do is that:
#1. if you put linux on that machine, your the only person for help they can call. It is hard enough to get help with a computer, let alone if you pick an OS that is not the one everyone else has. You would be amazed how many people have at least a little knowledge with windows and are willing to help a greeny.
#2. Everyone else has these cutsy little craptard things that your "person" is going to want to use as they get into computers. It is just human nature to want to fit it.
#3. Which I agree with you on, is if you lock them out they have a very secure and robust machine for what they are doing. Stressing that is all they want to do.
XP....sends chills down my spine now just thinking about my parents, grandparents, friends, and other extended members of my family who know what I do for a living and have me on speed dial.
If you do this, welcome to support hell. You will get calls why this does not work. That is not here...etc.
If you want calls about how to get the *nix to work like windows by all means sign them up. I really would like to stress just droping win95 on it. Scream all you want but it is a small foot print, it is stable if your really only using for for word processing, and you not the "only well of knowledge" for that os.
Just my views, I have only put a computer in about quite a few famialy/friends homes and linux in the long run always ends up kicking my ass. That is because they get hooked on the computer and they want to talk about it with frinds, share all the stupid shit that is not going to work on linux without some computer skills to get it to work.
Linux and endless support for "my friends computer does this" how come I don't have the stuff he has...
Install windows and the crash now and then with the virus that goes with it. Install linux and be the only person that can help them, and deal with the why does this not work like everyone else "I" know besides you that runs windows.
Hard choice, make it wisely for your friends. There are cases for both, just depends which set of problems you are going to want to deal with.
Good luck, and get use to being someones free tech support for the life of that computer. The linux biggots are going to eat me alive on this, but that just shows they are like a lot of people I know. They don't use the best tool for the job, they use the tool that they can wave like a badge of knowledge even if it was not the best choice.
If that is true, and please correct me if I am wrong because I have not taken the full time needed to read the EULA top to bottom like I should. Why on earth would they allow you to turn it off. If it is turned off, they can't update squat can they? If it is turned off this issue becomes moot.
Alas, I will bow to your knowledge on the subject because I have not done the due dilegence to argue. Please enlighten me why this is even and issue if all you have to do is turn off the auto update feature.
Cripes man, have you ever seen the cost of a Unix oracle installation??
Why did SQL6/7/2000 ever get a foot hold? Look at the prices.
Yes, indeed medical should have the money to buy this stuff, but a lot of places are on the verge and can't spent this kind of money.
#2 - Install your sp3 and disable the auto-update. Sometimes I think slashdot puts this kind of crap up as one large troll. Not that microsoft is a saint, or even a normal sinner, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. The stance that you leave out a little information to try to make a point is bias. Every day slashdot slips down the slippery slope and it is starting to get ugly.
Until there is a wide spread need for a "Non DRM" hardware solution this will not happen. Right now the masses are ignorant, and sheepish. If ever we will all wake up and realize we don't want this, then demand may one day fill the void.
supply and demand, and right now no one is asking for this product. When they do it will surface, I just don't think that will ever happen in big enough numbers. You will end up shelling out very large amounts of money for a niche product.
Start stocking up on your pre-drm hard-drives you may have a market down the road.
They find it collecting dust samples on Mars.
They already have a battery that gets it's energy from body heat, this is not going to be a problem in the very very near future.
Think this is wild, what about the family down in south Florida that got CHIPED with the ADSX chips that hold your medical records. They also have batteries that suck the heat away from your body to produce energy to run. Within the they believe they will have GPS in them. All this in a chip the size of a piece of rice. They are putting them in everything from Dogs to Cattle, and people are next....Lost your kid? Here, that little rug rat is on your handy dandy webpage, via gps...
Anyway, as much big brother as this screams I think parents are going to jump all over the Applied Digital Solutions chip. It is just a matter of time.
The best bet that I have found with buying systems that are used, in bulk is just to go ahead and assume that they are all broke. Assume nothing is going to work right, and factor in how much it is going to cost you in time to get something working and if it is worth it. I had the luck of running up on about 20 p2 systems a year back and purchased them for 30 bucks each, assuming that everything in them was hosed and the most I could get out of them was one or 2 parts on average. I got more on most, 1/2 had failed drives was the biggest problem. Followed by hosed motherboards. All in all I got about 12 full systems out of the 20, and gave them away like candy to people I knew that needed them. Ended up keeping 3 for myself. It all ended well, but assume they are hosed and you will not end up on the short end.
Good luck,
I think that title says it all.
You really want some reasons that companies use IIS and not Apache when they upgrade.
#1. InterDev - They can hire 3 point and click monkeys to one coder that knows java well.
#2. Older code - They don't want to change what they use now. They would require whole coding projects to start over scraping what they have.
#3. The Lead Developers would cry, because they are not near as productive in (c, c++, java, php) as they are in vb, vbscript, and InterDev.
#4. Problems, they already have 99% of them worked out on nt40/2000 in their environment. They know it, they love it, they don't want to change it. They don't want the headache of changing code, OS, and all the problems and man hours that go with it. Just to have a "free os". They don't have the programers, they don't have the talent, and they don't have the downtime to do it.
#5. No one likes change.
#6. The CIO is a SQL/IIS old school user. You can't change 3000 hours of programing in ASP/SQL/XML into PHP/MySql/PERL/XML/CGI and not have a huge huge cost. More than anything you will ever see in savings from a system os. Plus you get all the problems...again.
Then again, what do I know I am just a gimp.
It is real simple what Microsoft is doing here, after years of domination, the courts on their collective asses, they have found an out.
They scream as loud as they can "LINUX AND IBM ARE OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM!". In one very quick and slick move they have created a competitor that really is not one, but on the surface looks huge and has teeth. The much touted Linux OS, and the big bad IBM has come together to give us a run for our money. I can hear it now "See we are not a monopoly, see we have to do all this evil things to be competitive!".
This gives them a nice trump card to play in court, and in the public eye.
Ho well....so much for that idea.
Why would that be a troll? Just because it does not happen where you are does not mean that it does not happen where I am. Was not a plug at developers, just a pop at someplace I use to work.
Then again, your right it could just be a troll....wink. You never can tell with me.
I get a lot of:
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I guess that would really just depend on where you work. As we see it here, the developers don't have to work 70 hours a week. They don't get called in the weee hours and have only one project to deal with, maybe 2 if your really pushing it.
On the other hand, I have to deal with "All of the projects" because they run on the servers. I get the calls at 3am because of not only server issues, line issues, and power issues, but also because of really bad programing.
Now don't get me started on who has the easy job, because I can tell you from being on both sides which one is easy. If your talking about the sysadmin with less than 20 servers fine, but when your talking about 40+ web servers, 20 more SQL servers(with 2 terra of data), 15 applications servers, backups for all this crap, and 40+ junior developers than think they are senior. Well then you have quite a different story. This is just one of 3 international locations, throw the rest in with VPNs, 2 DS3 lines, 12 T1's, 4 6509's, 4 LoadBalancinging server, 15 smaller switches, a 300 person pbx system, Solaris, Firewalls, routers, I think you are starting to see my point. You get one think to work with and stress over, we get all the rest and your one thing as well.
Just because you think you have a hard job and we have it easy does not mean it is true. Just because we work hard to get the shit working does not = a cushy job. If I could make the money I do now programing it would not even take me 1/2 second to switch sides. Trust me, the programing part is the best pick when it comes to having a life and a job. At least in my experience. Take it for what it is worth, I am just a gimp and have been wrong before.
I would just like every developer that says "it is a server issue" to be forced to take the "perfect" code they have and submit it to a code review before he/she gets to me. That would be the best present of all. Just so I don't have to spend hours digging into it to prove it was that code, in the process fixing the error, and doing thier job. Wait! I just realized, this may be by design. I can hear my CIO now, "if you have a problem that you can't seem to fix, just upload it into production, blame the server, and force the Admin team to prove you wrong. This will narrow cast your problem, and you can work on something else while they figure it out."
Interesting.....DING!
Seeing a demand spike in old technology, and the increased cost of Flat screens has caused us to look at our decision a little closer. We are now going to sell the CRTs as a "Value Added" option to the Flat Panels. The price will be added via a yearly CRT subscription fee of $100 dollars.
To quote our leader "The Days of the Free Display are over."
I was wondering if you have any special tools/ideas/techs that you will be using you your new film "Blue Crush". I know it is about surfing and women, two of my favorite things in the world. Have computer graphics finally come to the point where you can render say, Pipeline on a 20 foot day, and be tricked into thinking it was real. Rendering a pitching monster over a reef and not looking fake is going to be one serious effect.
Thanks,
I strongly suggest that you look over the contract that you signed. I believe you will find that this is not the case.
Give it anouther look. I am not going to say this is 100% sure, but for roadrunner it is. I would guess, and that is all it is, that you company has the same contract. One user, one connection, no reserve IP's on a proxy network. Give it anouther look and tell me what you find in writing, not what the salesman may have spoken in an effort to sell you.
Good luck, if it does not say this now it will in the near future. Switch to one that does not care if you can find them, and if you do find one let us know we would all love to do that on the up and up.