Well then, what sort of innovative, radical features are you looking for in your office suite? This is not a rhetorical or sarcastic question; let's hear it! What are you after, what do you lack?
OpenOffice was a Linux exclusive app that moved to Mac
-1 wrong
From wikipedia:
"StarOffice was originally developed by the German company StarDivision in Lüneburg, founded by Marco Börries in 1984. They developed the first version of StarWriter for the Zilog Z80 home computer system, the Amstrad CPC (marketed by Schneider in Germany) under CP/M, and later for the Commodore 64 under Microsoft BASIC, which was later ported to the 8086-based Amstrad PC-1512, running under MS-DOS 3.2. Later the integration of the other individual programs followed as the development progressed to an Office Suite for DOS and for Microsoft Windows, which was marketed from then on under the name "StarOffice."
The development of the integrated StarOffice started at the end of 1994. Until version 4.2, StarOffice was based on the cross-platform C++ class library StarView."
The second the government sponsors our entertainment, they can (due to their rights as the source of funding) dictate what entertainment can and can't be made.
Explain to me how this is different from media corporations (as the source of funding) dictating what entertainment can and can't be made.
You wrongly assume that the article contains all possible information about the decision process of the upgrade. It does not [citation needed]. Linux was considered [citation needed], as were other operating systems [citation needed]. None could compete with Windows Server 2008 [citation needed] for the customer's needs, so they were not selected.
The typical user should not have to open up a term window to install a program. It should be click and guide you through the rest. That was always my biggest complaint. Sure I could fire up some synaptic or whatever it was but that's not exactly intuitive - I had to have a nix friend of mine tell me it even existed.
Of all the examples you could've picked, you went with this one? Come on. Not intuitive? Every application in the world, in one interface with a search bar. How fucking hard is that for you to deal with? You click "install" and it installs. The end. What's "not exactly intuitive" about that?
But hey, all that choice can be overwhelming sometimes, okay. If it's too much for you to deal with, there's "Add/Remove Programs." Guess what it does? It adds... and removes... programs! Things that make your computer do other things! Programs! It adds them! And removes them! How in god's name is that "not exactly intuitive?"
I agree, and I think that's why pinball survives (diminished in the landscape though it may be) while arcade video game makers are reduced to such whorish tactics as "a Big Buck Hunter machine in every bar." To people who like video games, a console will often do the job at least as well as an arcade game, with a TCO so much lower it's no contest. People who like pinball like pinball and want pinball. Video pinball is a constant failure because people who like pinball hate that shit, and people who like video games don't give a shit. There will always be a market for pinball.
Not exactly. I got this from a wise old pinball sage and I now pass this knowledge to you. Use it always for good and never for evil.
The golden age of pinball was the early 90s. Machines like Addams Family, Attack From Mars, Twilight Zone, and on and on.
But a funny thing happened in the 90s. The buying power of a quarter, between the 1990 and 2000, was cut nearly in half. So here you have these amazing new pinball machines, which actually didn't cost any more (in adjusted dollars) than the old ones, and were if anything easier to maintain then their predecessors, but the amount of money you could make on them as an arcade owner was slashed. At the same time, they couldn't really raise prices too much, because we were all accustomed to a quarter or fifty cents being the price of an arcade game, and once you went past that, people complained. It wasn't lack of supply, it wasn't lack of demand, it was coinage inflating itself to death. Add to that the fact that pinball tables didn't start taking dollar bills until the late 90s, a move which may have saved the industry had it been made 10 years previous.
This is why the proprietor of the pinball emporium in my neck of the woods has to charge 75c a shot/5 games for $2. He's got to, and that's barely break-even money for a one-man business (seriously, I think the guy might sleep there). When he retires that place is going with him, and that's the saddest goddamn thing I've ever heard.
There is a perfectly working, lovingly maintained Midieval Madness machine, along with 20 more tables from the late 1950s to Pirates of the Caribbean, at SS Billiards in Hopkins MN (a western suburb of Minneapolis). If you are in the central time zone and still love pinball, for the love of Road Show, come see this place. SS Billiards is the last of a breed.
Right now, with a few exceptions, it's the geeks advertising it to others. There's not enough of us really to make an impact
I too would like to see more preinstalled GNU/Linux systems out there, but on this particular point quoted above, I think you're wrong. "Geeks advertising" might be a damn slow way to take over the world, but it is undeniably working.
1. I don't know, maybe you should contact the software vendor? 2. I don't know, maybe you should contact the hardware vendor? 3. I don't know, maybe you should contact the software vendor? 4. I don't know, maybe you should contact the software vendor? 5. I don't know, maybe you should contact the hardware vendor? 6. I don't know, maybe you should contact the hardware vendor?
You're right, excuses don't matter. And vendors that try to give me some bullshit excuse for not supporting *nix don't get my money again.
Preach the gospel! I mentioned this above in response to someone else, but here's my story.
Installed Ubuntu 8.04 beta yesterday. Booted into the new install, had the usual goofs with xorg that I always have. No big deal, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, right? Totally wrong. All those functions aren't in xserver anymore, it's all "automagic," god knows where it went, and now I'm stuck in 1024x780. I've got no problem with automagic, but if that's how it's going to be, it better fucking work, or give me a fallback.
You know what the best part about it is, though? The "it works automagically don't worry" part and the "oops didn't work but don't worry you can fix it with text-editor-fu" part live in perfect harmony.
Yesterday I installed the beta of Kubuntu 8.04, and I had the usual xorg setup goofs. No big deal, right? sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg, right? WRONG. All the video conf has been moved out of xorg to god knows where. Now, I've got no problem with "Just Works," but if that's what you're going to move toward as a distribution, then it fucking better Just Work.
OK, I'm a Kubuntu diehard, but you're wrong. *buntu still refuses to accept my monitor settings, starting me at 1024x768 even though I have the line commented out in xorg.conf, and still not getting 1400x1050, even though the modeline is entered. I can switch to 1280x1024 after I boot, but why it insists on going to 1025x768 every time X starts is totally beyond me. I have an intel chip, fwiw.
Horseshit. My roommate has a laptop with exactly those specs (and a fairly new nvidia card to boot) and Vista ran like shit. She finally had me nuke it and install Ubuntu because she was sick of her computer taking six minutes to boot (yes I timed it).
It's all coming. KDE 4.0 is a "almost-feature-complete" release, but a lot of the customization options aren't in the stable version yet. All this stuff will be in with 4.1. 4.0 is a rough draft. Give it time.
I like having a panel at the top. Even in KDE4 I move my panel to the top. My preferred layout is a panel at the top and a task manager on the bottom, unfortunately KDE4 doesn't have support for multiple panels (yet). It's easier to push than pull, so I think it's better over the course of days/weeks/years to be moving my mouse hand up to the panel rather than down.
And I object to this. KDE 4 is most certainly not "unreleasable," I've been using it exclusively for over a month. Yes, there are bugs. Yes, there are still missing features and missing apps, most of which I've just patched over with KDE 3 apps. And it should really be noted that the spots where there is missing functionality, those applications and technologies do exist if you're willing to check out and test the latest code, but they're not ready for Joe Luser yet, so they're not included yet.
But what's here now is solid and usable. And buggy and a work in progress. And so far ahead of any other desktop in existence today, free software or not, that in my opinion it's worth the growing pains just to watch this amazing leap forward happen before my eyes. If you disagree, you disagree. People are still writing to KDE 3, it's not going to be abandoned for years, and if you still want to see the latest and greatest, almost all of the KDE 4 applications can be installed over the KDE 3 desktop.
Yeah, because I never... uh... write stuff on my Linux machine. I certainly couldn't possibly play a game! And it's just so damn hard to find "word processor" in the menu! And it doesn't say "START" on it, ohnoes! How will I know how to start?
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Well then, what sort of innovative, radical features are you looking for in your office suite? This is not a rhetorical or sarcastic question; let's hear it! What are you after, what do you lack?
OpenOffice was a Linux exclusive app that moved to Mac
-1 wrong
From wikipedia:
"StarOffice was originally developed by the German company StarDivision in Lüneburg, founded by Marco Börries in 1984. They developed the first version of StarWriter for the Zilog Z80 home computer system, the Amstrad CPC (marketed by Schneider in Germany) under CP/M, and later for the Commodore 64 under Microsoft BASIC, which was later ported to the 8086-based Amstrad PC-1512, running under MS-DOS 3.2. Later the integration of the other individual programs followed as the development progressed to an Office Suite for DOS and for Microsoft Windows, which was marketed from then on under the name "StarOffice."
The development of the integrated StarOffice started at the end of 1994. Until version 4.2, StarOffice was based on the cross-platform C++ class library StarView."
The second the government sponsors our entertainment, they can (due to their rights as the source of funding) dictate what entertainment can and can't be made.
Explain to me how this is different from media corporations (as the source of funding) dictating what entertainment can and can't be made.
You wrongly assume that the article contains all possible information about the decision process of the upgrade. It does not [citation needed]. Linux was considered [citation needed], as were other operating systems [citation needed]. None could compete with Windows Server 2008 [citation needed] for the customer's needs, so they were not selected.
Ah. Um.
Um...
What the fuck did you just say?
So... someone else's misleading name is... Ubuntu's fault. Got it.
Good god the things that get upmodded sometimes.
The typical user should not have to open up a term window to install a program. It should be click and guide you through the rest. That was always my biggest complaint. Sure I could fire up some synaptic or whatever it was but that's not exactly intuitive - I had to have a nix friend of mine tell me it even existed.
Of all the examples you could've picked, you went with this one? Come on. Not intuitive? Every application in the world, in one interface with a search bar. How fucking hard is that for you to deal with? You click "install" and it installs. The end. What's "not exactly intuitive" about that?
But hey, all that choice can be overwhelming sometimes, okay. If it's too much for you to deal with, there's "Add/Remove Programs." Guess what it does? It adds... and removes... programs! Things that make your computer do other things! Programs! It adds them! And removes them! How in god's name is that "not exactly intuitive?"
You make my eyes bleed.
I agree, and I think that's why pinball survives (diminished in the landscape though it may be) while arcade video game makers are reduced to such whorish tactics as "a Big Buck Hunter machine in every bar." To people who like video games, a console will often do the job at least as well as an arcade game, with a TCO so much lower it's no contest. People who like pinball like pinball and want pinball. Video pinball is a constant failure because people who like pinball hate that shit, and people who like video games don't give a shit. There will always be a market for pinball.
Not exactly. I got this from a wise old pinball sage and I now pass this knowledge to you. Use it always for good and never for evil.
The golden age of pinball was the early 90s. Machines like Addams Family, Attack From Mars, Twilight Zone, and on and on.
But a funny thing happened in the 90s. The buying power of a quarter, between the 1990 and 2000, was cut nearly in half. So here you have these amazing new pinball machines, which actually didn't cost any more (in adjusted dollars) than the old ones, and were if anything easier to maintain then their predecessors, but the amount of money you could make on them as an arcade owner was slashed. At the same time, they couldn't really raise prices too much, because we were all accustomed to a quarter or fifty cents being the price of an arcade game, and once you went past that, people complained. It wasn't lack of supply, it wasn't lack of demand, it was coinage inflating itself to death. Add to that the fact that pinball tables didn't start taking dollar bills until the late 90s, a move which may have saved the industry had it been made 10 years previous.
This is why the proprietor of the pinball emporium in my neck of the woods has to charge 75c a shot/5 games for $2. He's got to, and that's barely break-even money for a one-man business (seriously, I think the guy might sleep there). When he retires that place is going with him, and that's the saddest goddamn thing I've ever heard.
There is a perfectly working, lovingly maintained Midieval Madness machine, along with 20 more tables from the late 1950s to Pirates of the Caribbean, at SS Billiards in Hopkins MN (a western suburb of Minneapolis). If you are in the central time zone and still love pinball, for the love of Road Show, come see this place. SS Billiards is the last of a breed.
I don't condone any of that, most people don't. In my opinion those are genuine miscarriages of justice, of laws used inappropriately.
There is no such thing as a "law used inappropriately." If the wording of the law allows that, even in theory, then the law is wrong.
It's SEVEN PAGES. To set up a server. That's really too much for you?
Right now, with a few exceptions, it's the geeks advertising it to others. There's not enough of us really to make an impact
I too would like to see more preinstalled GNU/Linux systems out there, but on this particular point quoted above, I think you're wrong. "Geeks advertising" might be a damn slow way to take over the world, but it is undeniably working.
1. I don't know, maybe you should contact the software vendor?
2. I don't know, maybe you should contact the hardware vendor?
3. I don't know, maybe you should contact the software vendor?
4. I don't know, maybe you should contact the software vendor?
5. I don't know, maybe you should contact the hardware vendor?
6. I don't know, maybe you should contact the hardware vendor?
You're right, excuses don't matter. And vendors that try to give me some bullshit excuse for not supporting *nix don't get my money again.
8.04 beta. I copy-pasted the modeline from my previous installation, the modeline is good.
Preach the gospel! I mentioned this above in response to someone else, but here's my story.
Installed Ubuntu 8.04 beta yesterday. Booted into the new install, had the usual goofs with xorg that I always have. No big deal, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, right? Totally wrong. All those functions aren't in xserver anymore, it's all "automagic," god knows where it went, and now I'm stuck in 1024x780. I've got no problem with automagic, but if that's how it's going to be, it better fucking work, or give me a fallback.
You know what the best part about it is, though? The "it works automagically don't worry" part and the "oops didn't work but don't worry you can fix it with text-editor-fu" part live in perfect harmony.
Yesterday I installed the beta of Kubuntu 8.04, and I had the usual xorg setup goofs. No big deal, right? sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg, right? WRONG. All the video conf has been moved out of xorg to god knows where. Now, I've got no problem with "Just Works," but if that's what you're going to move toward as a distribution, then it fucking better Just Work.
OK, I'm a Kubuntu diehard, but you're wrong. *buntu still refuses to accept my monitor settings, starting me at 1024x768 even though I have the line commented out in xorg.conf, and still not getting 1400x1050, even though the modeline is entered. I can switch to 1280x1024 after I boot, but why it insists on going to 1025x768 every time X starts is totally beyond me. I have an intel chip, fwiw.
Horseshit. My roommate has a laptop with exactly those specs (and a fairly new nvidia card to boot) and Vista ran like shit. She finally had me nuke it and install Ubuntu because she was sick of her computer taking six minutes to boot (yes I timed it).
It's all coming. KDE 4.0 is a "almost-feature-complete" release, but a lot of the customization options aren't in the stable version yet. All this stuff will be in with 4.1. 4.0 is a rough draft. Give it time.
Okay, so you're not the target demographic. I get it.
I like having a panel at the top. Even in KDE4 I move my panel to the top. My preferred layout is a panel at the top and a task manager on the bottom, unfortunately KDE4 doesn't have support for multiple panels (yet). It's easier to push than pull, so I think it's better over the course of days/weeks/years to be moving my mouse hand up to the panel rather than down.
And I object to this. KDE 4 is most certainly not "unreleasable," I've been using it exclusively for over a month. Yes, there are bugs. Yes, there are still missing features and missing apps, most of which I've just patched over with KDE 3 apps. And it should really be noted that the spots where there is missing functionality, those applications and technologies do exist if you're willing to check out and test the latest code, but they're not ready for Joe Luser yet, so they're not included yet.
But what's here now is solid and usable. And buggy and a work in progress. And so far ahead of any other desktop in existence today, free software or not, that in my opinion it's worth the growing pains just to watch this amazing leap forward happen before my eyes. If you disagree, you disagree. People are still writing to KDE 3, it's not going to be abandoned for years, and if you still want to see the latest and greatest, almost all of the KDE 4 applications can be installed over the KDE 3 desktop.
+1. See emacs "ctrl-h d" for a perfect example.
Yeah, because I never... uh... write stuff on my Linux machine. I certainly couldn't possibly play a game! And it's just so damn hard to find "word processor" in the menu! And it doesn't say "START" on it, ohnoes! How will I know how to start?