To hit a first offender kiddie with. It's probably just youthful curiosity.
What's that? You mean it's supposed to apply to the adults providing services to other adults because they didn't telepathically detect a kiddie browsing their site?
While we're at it, why not just jail librarians for failing to stop kiddies peeking at anatomy books?
Hell, why not just burn the books? It's the only way to be sure.
>There is no license required to use Free Software. None.
Quotes from the article:
"a networking router that runs the Linux operating system. "
"These disputes might scare companies away from using open source software
"Now he says he is cautious about working with GPL software. Instead, Progress uses an open source database program distributed under the less onerous Berkeley Software Distribution license."
Oh, sure, it's just semantics, and they (shock!) mostly get it right that it's copying distribution and derivation that's the issue. But it's not entirely clear of FUD.
No, IBM doesn't care. You think they're actually bothered by SCO's yapping? They've probably got their interns and co-op paralegals dealing with this minor annoyance.
Never mind me though, you just go ahead and surrender to the cognitive dissonance.
These guys need to speak to a lawyer, and fast. If their facts are correct, they can't be hit for puntive damages or costs, but they can be enjoined to cease and desist. This project is dead, as of right now.
Jeebus breakdancing Christ, lost the copyright? No wonder Congress keeps passing laws to protect rights owners. Not only are these chumps violating copy rights, but they're getting prissy about it. Paraphrase: "we gave you a chance to stop us, and you didn't, so now all your sample are belong to us".
Here comes the cluestick, guys. Take it like men. Well, boys.
> Mind you, if you do work in an ISP, the strip can still be coffee-spewingly funny at times.
As long as you haven't read the same joke already in BoFH.
>And I think it benefits from reading an entire month at once because, let's face it, some days Iliad misses by a mile.
Strange way to defend it. I castigated it on that basis.
>Mostly, I think Iliad needs a break, a day job that gives him time to do the strip, and a renewed sense of sarcasm and irony.
I agree, but I don't think he'll accept that. I expect that once he's driven away enough of the remaining sycophants so that it's unsustainable, he'll end it in a hissy fit of bitterness and recrimination, probably by blaming the negative vibes from all of tha playa hataz (e.g. me) that dissed his vision.
I mean, he's not just trying to shame the FBI into backing off, while at the same time preparing to bend over and touch his toes when they do actually subpoena the information, right? I mean, that would be cowardly and hypocritical, right? Right?
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The artwork is sloppy, the stories repetitive, the characters mere sketches. But you could say the same about Dilbert. The difference is that back in the heady pre-crash days, User Friendly showed a more optimistic, happier, fuzzier world, populated by and aimed at college geeks that never really grew up. It provided an antidote to the cynicism of Dilbert, and in the days when money hoses got turned on ever nerd with a vision, it was going to be just the core of a huge multimedia empire, run by the forces of good.
But then the market tanked, and everything changed. The audience of User Friendly found themselves losing their jobs left right and centre. The company behind it - composed of one lousy artist, a web guy, and a bunch of marketing parasites - found that you can't pay ten mortgages if you're giving the goods away. Most of the staff got laid off, and User Friendly went bitter.
I don't just mean the strip, I mean the whole community around it. Illiad got real brittle, real fast. Posting constructive criticism on the discussion boards got your account wiped, no warnings. The remaining zealots on the boards went passive-aggressive, and savaged anything that didn't fit in with their self congratulatory circle jerking.
Worse, post 9-11, User Friendly went maudlin. It's bad enough when cartoonists try to cover serious issues, but when they do it with smug ABC style flag worshipping patriotism teamed with really crappy art, it just gets embarrassing.
User Friendly is now in its death throes. There are about two dozen characters drifting in and out of it (a new one was added this week), and none of them are particularly well realised. If you can't think of anything funny to do with the characters you've got, adding new ones probably isn't the solution.
It all looked so hopeful, but now a week of User Friendly might - on a good week - give you the same amount of smirk as one day of Dilbert. I guess Illiad has figured out by now that Dilbert shows the tech world as it really is, but he never figured out how to portray that in a funny way. It's sad really, but all childhood things must pass.
>[Darl's] skills are maybe better suited for the WH or the Pentagon
Hmm, I think I get your point.
"Well, we haven't actually found any evidence of our source in linux, but that just shows that our constant vigilance was working. Plus we've pretty sure that they would have put it there if we hadn't destroyed them."
> Yes and those dumber people are speculators. It's called a bubble and it bursts when there is nobody left who is willing to continue speculating
Sure, but the market is rising right now, so it will continue to rise for ever, right? I mean, we'll never have another of those annoying bursts, surely?
It's nice for Halderman, but it's a shame that SunnComm aren't quite stupid enough to bring a losing DMCA case and set a precedent. Hmm, perhaps we could persuade SCO to do it...
Is when Darl and the other SCO execs will be realising that the game is up. That gnawing sound you can hear is them hollowing out the shell of SCO from the inside.
When a judge in either the IBM or Red Hat suits finally says "Enough stalling, provide the source or be in contempt", they'll simply file for chapter 7 (or straight to 11), throw up their arms and say "Gosh, we'd like to prove our case, but we seem to have inexplicably spent all of our money on buying beach front property which we then accidentally sold to our relatives for ten cents an acre. There would be a little left over, but it turn out that we all have these golden parachute clauses in our contracts that kick in about now! How about that?"
Then they'll scurry off to new jobs that match their talents. Darl will find a home in Syria, North Korea or Iran as their new Information Minister.
But look on the bright side. Before that happens, a lot of lawyers will be able to buy a lot of new Mercedes and BMW cars, and that's got to be good for the economy. Specifically, Germany's economy.
You mean that SCO's case is going to end up relying on showing that linux developers had the intention to include SCO copy righted source in the kernel? That they wanted to start a program of massive source inclusion, but only SCO's constant vigilence stopped them?
Heck, the White House and Downing Street seem to be getting away with that argument, so why not SCO?
You miss an important point: nobody but us geeks really cares about SCO and lunix. No, really, it's true. All our sound and fury signifies nothing, and the SEC will get no kudos for busting SCO, because nobody who matters cares.
Sorry to interrupt. Normal self aggrandising and cognitive dissonance may now commence.
> I predict that today the stock value will mirror yesterday, it may even end slightly up. This is because little or none of the news read here at/. and other such places is getting filtered through to wall street.
Actually, the reason is that you buy stock like SCOX as a speculation, not an investment. It's a simple theory that boils down to this: no matter how dumb it is for you to own the stock, someone dumberer will buy it off you for more.
So far, that seems to be a pretty accurate assessment.
>And this got modded UP? This is -1 Dumbass at best.
At the time of writing, it hadn't been moderated either way, Scarecrow.
>Speaking as someone who just got their credit rating halfway decent again [...]
I'm glad to hear that you're not as big a cretin as you used to be.
Say, did you ever notice the correlation between people that can't calculate compound interest and those with no sense of humour? The connection becomes more apparent to me every day.
>You are reinforcing my point, where people really think Bill Gates is the only "easy way,"
For most people, Microsoft is the only easy way.
Sure, go out and find a lunix distro with default tools that do one-click graphical installs. Now, find all the other distros that don't. Now explain how Dick and Jane Applegate find out which one is the easiest for them to use.
Whoa, wait, we hadn't thought about that. We'd just assumed that every lunix lser will magically end up with exactly the right distro for their needs, through a process colloqually known as "a wizard did it".
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To hit a first offender kiddie with. It's probably just youthful curiosity.
What's that? You mean it's supposed to apply to the adults providing services to other adults because they didn't telepathically detect a kiddie browsing their site?
While we're at it, why not just jail librarians for failing to stop kiddies peeking at anatomy books?
Hell, why not just burn the books? It's the only way to be sure.
>There is no license required to use Free Software. None.
Quotes from the article:
"a networking router that runs the Linux operating system. "
"These disputes might scare companies away from using open source software
"Now he says he is cautious about working with GPL software. Instead, Progress uses an open source database program distributed under the less onerous Berkeley Software Distribution license."
Oh, sure, it's just semantics, and they (shock!) mostly get it right that it's copying distribution and derivation that's the issue. But it's not entirely clear of FUD.
They're not selling, they're renting. See Microsoft's example of Subscription Models for why.
Void star. Never mind.
> Yeah. IBM doesn't matter.
No, IBM doesn't care. You think they're actually bothered by SCO's yapping? They've probably got their interns and co-op paralegals dealing with this minor annoyance.
Never mind me though, you just go ahead and surrender to the cognitive dissonance.
Lost the copyright? Lost the copyright?
These guys need to speak to a lawyer, and fast. If their facts are correct, they can't be hit for puntive damages or costs, but they can be enjoined to cease and desist. This project is dead, as of right now.
Jeebus breakdancing Christ, lost the copyright? No wonder Congress keeps passing laws to protect rights owners. Not only are these chumps violating copy rights, but they're getting prissy about it. Paraphrase: "we gave you a chance to stop us, and you didn't, so now all your sample are belong to us".
Here comes the cluestick, guys. Take it like men. Well, boys.
BFG, TLA, ETLA and WTF.
As in: WTF is SVG?
For Gnutella, obviously.
Sorry, Coward, that's the answer to a different question. Perhaps your Anonymity has made you so sloppy that you replied to the wrong thread.
> Mind you, if you do work in an ISP, the strip can still be coffee-spewingly funny at times.
As long as you haven't read the same joke already in BoFH.
>And I think it benefits from reading an entire month at once because, let's face it, some days Iliad misses by a mile.
Strange way to defend it. I castigated it on that basis.
>Mostly, I think Iliad needs a break, a day job that gives him time to do the strip, and a renewed sense of sarcasm and irony.
I agree, but I don't think he'll accept that. I expect that once he's driven away enough of the remaining sycophants so that it's unsustainable, he'll end it in a hissy fit of bitterness and recrimination, probably by blaming the negative vibes from all of tha playa hataz (e.g. me) that dissed his vision.
I mean, he's not just trying to shame the FBI into backing off, while at the same time preparing to bend over and touch his toes when they do actually subpoena the information, right? I mean, that would be cowardly and hypocritical, right? Right?
The artwork is sloppy, the stories repetitive, the characters mere sketches. But you could say the same about Dilbert. The difference is that back in the heady pre-crash days, User Friendly showed a more optimistic, happier, fuzzier world, populated by and aimed at college geeks that never really grew up. It provided an antidote to the cynicism of Dilbert, and in the days when money hoses got turned on ever nerd with a vision, it was going to be just the core of a huge multimedia empire, run by the forces of good.
But then the market tanked, and everything changed. The audience of User Friendly found themselves losing their jobs left right and centre. The company behind it - composed of one lousy artist, a web guy, and a bunch of marketing parasites - found that you can't pay ten mortgages if you're giving the goods away. Most of the staff got laid off, and User Friendly went bitter.
I don't just mean the strip, I mean the whole community around it. Illiad got real brittle, real fast. Posting constructive criticism on the discussion boards got your account wiped, no warnings. The remaining zealots on the boards went passive-aggressive, and savaged anything that didn't fit in with their self congratulatory circle jerking.
Worse, post 9-11, User Friendly went maudlin. It's bad enough when cartoonists try to cover serious issues, but when they do it with smug ABC style flag worshipping patriotism teamed with really crappy art, it just gets embarrassing.
User Friendly is now in its death throes. There are about two dozen characters drifting in and out of it (a new one was added this week), and none of them are particularly well realised. If you can't think of anything funny to do with the characters you've got, adding new ones probably isn't the solution.
It all looked so hopeful, but now a week of User Friendly might - on a good week - give you the same amount of smirk as one day of Dilbert. I guess Illiad has figured out by now that Dilbert shows the tech world as it really is, but he never figured out how to portray that in a funny way. It's sad really, but all childhood things must pass.
> I was referring to people willing to speculate in SCO stock,
P.T. Barnum might suggest that there's a potential SCO investor born every minute.
>[Darl's] skills are maybe better suited for the WH or the Pentagon
Hmm, I think I get your point.
"Well, we haven't actually found any evidence of our source in linux, but that just shows that our constant vigilance was working. Plus we've pretty sure that they would have put it there if we hadn't destroyed them."
Sounds eerily familiar.
> Yes and those dumber people are speculators. It's called a bubble and it bursts when there is nobody left who is willing to continue speculating
Sure, but the market is rising right now, so it will continue to rise for ever, right? I mean, we'll never have another of those annoying bursts, surely?
The Daily Princetonian reports that SunnComm have decided not to shoot themselves in the foot any more than they already have done, and have dropped the threat of a suit.
It's nice for Halderman, but it's a shame that SunnComm aren't quite stupid enough to bring a losing DMCA case and set a precedent. Hmm, perhaps we could persuade SCO to do it...
> Doesn't matter who designed them. They amused me.
Wow, that sure was some tasty fruit. Where did you get it from? A serpent, you say? Well, never mind; all that matters is that I enjoyed it.
Is when Darl and the other SCO execs will be realising that the game is up. That gnawing sound you can hear is them hollowing out the shell of SCO from the inside.
When a judge in either the IBM or Red Hat suits finally says "Enough stalling, provide the source or be in contempt", they'll simply file for chapter 7 (or straight to 11), throw up their arms and say "Gosh, we'd like to prove our case, but we seem to have inexplicably spent all of our money on buying beach front property which we then accidentally sold to our relatives for ten cents an acre. There would be a little left over, but it turn out that we all have these golden parachute clauses in our contracts that kick in about now! How about that?"
Then they'll scurry off to new jobs that match their talents. Darl will find a home in Syria, North Korea or Iran as their new Information Minister.
But look on the bright side. Before that happens, a lot of lawyers will be able to buy a lot of new Mercedes and BMW cars, and that's got to be good for the economy. Specifically, Germany's economy.
Oh hush, don't bring tedious old facts into this. Next you'll be claiming that BSODs only happen once in a blue moon in WinXP, you crazy man!
You mean that SCO's case is going to end up relying on showing that linux developers had the intention to include SCO copy righted source in the kernel? That they wanted to start a program of massive source inclusion, but only SCO's constant vigilence stopped them?
Heck, the White House and Downing Street seem to be getting away with that argument, so why not SCO?
You miss an important point: nobody but us geeks really cares about SCO and lunix. No, really, it's true. All our sound and fury signifies nothing, and the SEC will get no kudos for busting SCO, because nobody who matters cares.
Sorry to interrupt. Normal self aggrandising and cognitive dissonance may now commence.
> I predict that today the stock value will mirror yesterday, it may even end slightly up. This is because little or none of the news read here at /. and other such places is getting filtered through to wall street.
Actually, the reason is that you buy stock like SCOX as a speculation, not an investment. It's a simple theory that boils down to this: no matter how dumb it is for you to own the stock, someone dumberer will buy it off you for more.
So far, that seems to be a pretty accurate assessment.
>And this got modded UP? This is -1 Dumbass at best.
At the time of writing, it hadn't been moderated either way, Scarecrow.
>Speaking as someone who just got their credit rating halfway decent again [...]
I'm glad to hear that you're not as big a cretin as you used to be.
Say, did you ever notice the correlation between people that can't calculate compound interest and those with no sense of humour? The connection becomes more apparent to me every day.
Oh, please don't, criticism from Anonymous Cowards makes me cry. Boo hoo hoo.
>You are reinforcing my point, where people really think Bill Gates is the only "easy way,"
For most people, Microsoft is the only easy way.
Sure, go out and find a lunix distro with default tools that do one-click graphical installs. Now, find all the other distros that don't. Now explain how Dick and Jane Applegate find out which one is the easiest for them to use.
Whoa, wait, we hadn't thought about that. We'd just assumed that every lunix lser will magically end up with exactly the right distro for their needs, through a process colloqually known as "a wizard did it".
For most people, Microsoft is the only easy way.