>Who said anything about copyright infringement? The charge is unlawful distribution of trade secrets.
Sure, one of the six charges filed against IBM is. The contracts themselves are implicit on SCO having sole and exclusive rights to the contested code though. If it wasn't theirs to license, then what are they claiming damages (a billion dollars, three times) for?
Now, he doesn't actually say that the license is for the code, just for "IP" (interesting, that) but he calls the code "unlicensed", so it's pretty hard not to infer that. We'd really need to see the terms of this mysterious license to see what they're actually trying to sell.
The problem is that even keeping records of your transactions has a fixed cost per transaction, and at $0.01 per transaction, you don't have a lot of leeway to do that.
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We're just emulating the example of our President. If you don't like something, blow it to pieces and declare "Mission accomplished". Building a replacement can be left to, well, your replacement.
Nah, it's Days of our Lives for geeks. I reckon that "Darl" is actually Ricardo, Darl's evil twin, and that the real Darl is in a coma in a remote mountain village somewhere in Peru where a lovely - but curiously Aryan looking - native girl is nursing him back to health.
Um, given that SCOX just keeps on rising, Darl is going to be cashed out and headed for the tree line with a metric assload of pointy hair idiots' money long before any of the suits reach court.
That some clueless noob at SCO was tasked with finding way to sploit their copy rights, discovered the OpenLinux SRPMS on their ftp server, decided that must mean that SCO owns all that source, and then declared the same source in the linux kernel as being infringing? 'Cause, you know, some clueless noob at IBM must have put it there, or something.
It sounds crazy, but it makes more sense than starting from the assumption that SCO really aren't disclosing the source simply so that we can't "launder" the kernel before SCO can get it to court.
Correct! I did the sums on this a while back, and at $0.01 per transaction, you don't have much room for things to go wrong. You need a lot of transactions to amortise your fixed costs, which means a few big micropayment services rather than many small ones. Once you figure a crack for one of the big payment services, you can cream it pretty much at will, because as you so rightly point out, the cost of investigating any given transaction vastly outweighs the cost of the transaction.
You'd need about 10,000 transactions from one source before it's worth taking action, but then the question becomes: how much do you spend to find and associate those 10,000 fraudulent transactions? The only real strategy is to ignore all but the most blatant and clumsy fraud, but then it's simply a question of whether you can cover your fixed costs while being bled slowly to death.
MIcropayments are based on trust, and that's in pretty short supply online.
How do you gain traction on the cable without damaging it? Just throwing a rope up isn't enough, you need to be able to climb it as well. If you start with a 1m x 0.3m cable, then sloughing even a tiny amount of cable material as you climb or descend is going to chew though it quickly.
>I'm not complaning about the crappiness of C++ implementations -- I'm talking about the variances of C++ implementations
And I argue that the variance makes C++ as a whole (not "C++ implementations") crappy.
>"So far today I've worked..." unless it's actually reasonable.
Do you know how long I'd been working before I posted that? Do you have any idea what I do for a living? Is it remotely possible that the reason that we disagree is that I know a metric assload more about what I'm talking about than you do, and that I work in an environment with far higher productivity and expectations?
It is possible to work (i.e. actually design, implement and test) on those areas in a single day. That was the same bugfix on multiple platforms (variously C and C++), plus a Win32 asm implementation of memcpy to fix a related multiply defined symbol problem, plus Perl/Python build script fixes on all platforms. If you think that isn't possible in one day, then that says more about your abilities and experience than mine.
You may now have the last word, and again explain why you know more than me while apparently being capabable of achieving so much less.
Funnily enough, I'm criticising precisely what you did write, not what you seem to think you wrote. Namely that you're defending the original accusation - about the crappiness of C++ implementations needing moc to fix them - by explaining why moc can fix them. Well, duh.
I think you are full of shit though, as anybody who needs to use that many languages/platforms in that short of a time period is bullshitting
Sure, because there's no technology out there that's already being used by Sony, Panasonic, NTT DoCoMo, and Samsung, plus a bunch of unannounced others. No sirree, you've caught me out all right. Heh, you're cute.
Bring it on, says I. I look forward to the day when Congress passes a law attempting to ban or cripple P2P. We've seen so many things that should have been the final straw in revealing just how bought Congress is, but that would have to be the one that finally breaks the camel's back.
Imagine it. Academics all across the country turning themselves in because they worked on gnutella, or freenet. Trolling clueless newspapers into shrieking that evil kiddie porn has been found on the eff tee pee network!!!! Better yet, what about the dangers of running an aitch tee tee pee server that (potentially) serves kiddie porn to anyone with a browser. Ban IIS! Ban listerservers, ban usenet, ban IM servers, ban talk.
That SCO is so full of bullshit that by repeating and denying any particular version of their fantasy-land claims, we only give credence to them. This is the letter than ESM and Bruce should have written. Short, to the point, and utterly dismissive.
But it could be even better. I hope that from now on, if open/free advocates decide to bite Darl's trolling, that they restrain themselves to just saying "Identify the infringing source," and not one word more. Unless it's "fuckwad".
Just FYI, so far today I have worked with C, C++, Perl, Python and asm for Win32 NT/2K/XP, WinCE 2002, WinCE.NET, Symbian series 60 native, Symbian UIQ native, Symbian series 60 wins emulator, Symbian UIQ wins emulator, and I'm just about to start on some linux fixes.
But, ooh, gosh, you've used g++ and VC6, so I'd better shut the fuck up, eh, sparky?
Who cares if they're for or against anything? If they got eaten by rabid marmosets tomorrow, KDE and QT would still be GPL licensed. Until and if the GPL is declared revokable by supreme courts in every nation that used KDE, it's de facto a commons project.
You're defending moc when your parent was dissing C++. Well done. Tell you what, next time I hear someone slagging off the Windows kernel, I'll explain at great length why Windows Media Player isn't as bad as they're making it out to be.
Quite. I quote "[top of voice]I'M ON THE TRAIN. YES, ON MY CELLPHONE, ON THE TRAIN. T-H-E T-R-A- OH, A TUNNEL! HELLO? HELLO? JEREMY? HELLO?"
This bit isn't funny, but I have to type it to get the funny bit above past the Slashduh lameness filter. Did I mention that Taco is Cowboy Neal's ass bitch? I have pictures.
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>Who said anything about copyright infringement? The charge is unlawful distribution of trade secrets.
Sure, one of the six charges filed against IBM is. The contracts themselves are implicit on SCO having sole and exclusive rights to the contested code though. If it wasn't theirs to license, then what are they claiming damages (a billion dollars, three times) for?
Further, what are they threatening linux users with? "We have identified numerous files of unlicensed UNIX System V code and UNIX System V derivative code in the Linux 2.4 and 2.5 kernels," says Chris Sontag, senior vice president and general manager of SCOsource, the intellectual property licensing division of SCO. "We believe it is necessary for Linux customers to properly license SCO's IP if they are running Linux 2.4 kernel and later versions for commercial purposes."
Now, he doesn't actually say that the license is for the code, just for "IP" (interesting, that) but he calls the code "unlicensed", so it's pretty hard not to infer that. We'd really need to see the terms of this mysterious license to see what they're actually trying to sell.
Oops, working link. Well, working at the time of posting. ;-)
The problem is that even keeping records of your transactions has a fixed cost per transaction, and at $0.01 per transaction, you don't have a lot of leeway to do that.
We're just emulating the example of our President. If you don't like something, blow it to pieces and declare "Mission accomplished". Building a replacement can be left to, well, your replacement.
Nah, it's Days of our Lives for geeks. I reckon that "Darl" is actually Ricardo, Darl's evil twin, and that the real Darl is in a coma in a remote mountain village somewhere in Peru where a lovely - but curiously Aryan looking - native girl is nursing him back to health.
Well, perhaps Syria, Iran or North Korea will be looking for an Information Minister soon. Darl should be a shoe-in.
>There may still be many lines of code that were stolen from SCO Unix.
For the zillionth but I'm sure not the last time, according to the US Supreme Court, copyright infringement is not theft.
Um, given that SCOX just keeps on rising, Darl is going to be cashed out and headed for the tree line with a metric assload of pointy hair idiots' money long before any of the suits reach court.
That some clueless noob at SCO was tasked with finding way to sploit their copy rights, discovered the OpenLinux SRPMS on their ftp server, decided that must mean that SCO owns all that source, and then declared the same source in the linux kernel as being infringing? 'Cause, you know, some clueless noob at IBM must have put it there, or something.
It sounds crazy, but it makes more sense than starting from the assumption that SCO really aren't disclosing the source simply so that we can't "launder" the kernel before SCO can get it to court.
Correct! I did the sums on this a while back, and at $0.01 per transaction, you don't have much room for things to go wrong. You need a lot of transactions to amortise your fixed costs, which means a few big micropayment services rather than many small ones. Once you figure a crack for one of the big payment services, you can cream it pretty much at will, because as you so rightly point out, the cost of investigating any given transaction vastly outweighs the cost of the transaction.
You'd need about 10,000 transactions from one source before it's worth taking action, but then the question becomes: how much do you spend to find and associate those 10,000 fraudulent transactions? The only real strategy is to ignore all but the most blatant and clumsy fraud, but then it's simply a question of whether you can cover your fixed costs while being bled slowly to death.
MIcropayments are based on trust, and that's in pretty short supply online.
Why not just ignore them? Until they disclose the infringing source, there's no case to answer.
How do you gain traction on the cable without damaging it? Just throwing a rope up isn't enough, you need to be able to climb it as well. If you start with a 1m x 0.3m cable, then sloughing even a tiny amount of cable material as you climb or descend is going to chew though it quickly.
The other 95% of the world won't even notice, except that there will be FEWER ASL? ASL? ASL? FROM AOLUSERS, LOL!!!!!!!
>I'm not complaning about the crappiness of C++ implementations -- I'm talking about the variances of C++ implementations
And I argue that the variance makes C++ as a whole (not "C++ implementations") crappy.
>"So far today I've worked..." unless it's actually reasonable.
Do you know how long I'd been working before I posted that? Do you have any idea what I do for a living? Is it remotely possible that the reason that we disagree is that I know a metric assload more about what I'm talking about than you do, and that I work in an environment with far higher productivity and expectations?
It is possible to work (i.e. actually design, implement and test) on those areas in a single day. That was the same bugfix on multiple platforms (variously C and C++), plus a Win32 asm implementation of memcpy to fix a related multiply defined symbol problem, plus Perl/Python build script fixes on all platforms. If you think that isn't possible in one day, then that says more about your abilities and experience than mine.
You may now have the last word, and again explain why you know more than me while apparently being capabable of achieving so much less.
Quick! Let me get a pen and write down the deta- oh, damn, missed it.
When Mandrake goes under, I get first dibs on their chairs.
Pounding yo momma's bleeding asshole usually does the trick. Mmm, prolaptastic.
Funnily enough, I'm criticising precisely what you did write, not what you seem to think you wrote. Namely that you're defending the original accusation - about the crappiness of C++ implementations needing moc to fix them - by explaining why moc can fix them. Well, duh.
I think you are full of shit though, as anybody who needs to use that many languages/platforms in that short of a time period is bullshitting
Sure, because there's no technology out there that's already being used by Sony, Panasonic, NTT DoCoMo, and Samsung, plus a bunch of unannounced others. No sirree, you've caught me out all right. Heh, you're cute.
Bring it on, says I. I look forward to the day when Congress passes a law attempting to ban or cripple P2P. We've seen so many things that should have been the final straw in revealing just how bought Congress is, but that would have to be the one that finally breaks the camel's back.
Imagine it. Academics all across the country turning themselves in because they worked on gnutella, or freenet. Trolling clueless newspapers into shrieking that evil kiddie porn has been found on the eff tee pee network!!!! Better yet, what about the dangers of running an aitch tee tee pee server that (potentially) serves kiddie porn to anyone with a browser. Ban IIS! Ban listerservers, ban usenet, ban IM servers, ban talk.
Cross that line, Congress. Bring it on.
That SCO is so full of bullshit that by repeating and denying any particular version of their fantasy-land claims, we only give credence to them. This is the letter than ESM and Bruce should have written. Short, to the point, and utterly dismissive.
But it could be even better. I hope that from now on, if open/free advocates decide to bite Darl's trolling, that they restrain themselves to just saying "Identify the infringing source," and not one word more. Unless it's "fuckwad".
Just FYI, so far today I have worked with C, C++, Perl, Python and asm for Win32 NT/2K/XP, WinCE 2002, WinCE .NET, Symbian series 60 native, Symbian UIQ native, Symbian series 60 wins emulator, Symbian UIQ wins emulator, and I'm just about to start on some linux fixes.
But, ooh, gosh, you've used g++ and VC6, so I'd better shut the fuck up, eh, sparky?
Who cares if they're for or against anything? If they got eaten by rabid marmosets tomorrow, KDE and QT would still be GPL licensed. Until and if the GPL is declared revokable by supreme courts in every nation that used KDE, it's de facto a commons project.
You fool! Go back to the console, this gooey crap will never catch on.
Say, what's this I hear about a version of lynx that does "images"? Do they have those on gopher now?
You're defending moc when your parent was dissing C++. Well done. Tell you what, next time I hear someone slagging off the Windows kernel, I'll explain at great length why Windows Media Player isn't as bad as they're making it out to be.
So, your great plan for next gen clothing is... the pocket?
If only you had a time machine, you could go back to 1998, start a .com, and cash out before the crash.
>The more noticable, the better
Quite. I quote "[top of voice]I'M ON THE TRAIN. YES, ON MY CELLPHONE, ON THE TRAIN. T-H-E T-R-A- OH, A TUNNEL! HELLO? HELLO? JEREMY? HELLO?"
This bit isn't funny, but I have to type it to get the funny bit above past the Slashduh lameness filter. Did I mention that Taco is Cowboy Neal's ass bitch? I have pictures.