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Roland Piquepaille writes "In this article, BBC News Online says that fashion specialists and engineers are preparing the next generation of wearable computing fashion accessories. Current ones are too conspicuous and expensive. Joseph Dvorak, a researcher at Motorola US, predicts the computers and technology we wear in four or five years time will not draw attention to ourselves. And Dr. Dianne Jones from textile company SOFTswitch, maker of the Burton Amp jacket which integrates an Apple iPod, thinks that the wearable computing industry will grow rapidly. She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components. This summary contains more details and references."
She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.
Unless she's including RFID tags, that 20% figure sounds far too high. I can't believe that one-fifth of socks, pants, underwear, shirts, etc will contain electronic components in 10 short years.
Also, how will all these clothes be cleaned? Will they be safe to throw in our 2003 "stone age" washing machines when 2013 rolls around?
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Didn't he also say that in four to five years, everyone would be using his keyboards? We see how well THAT turned out.
I guess this means we'd be wearing a Beowulf cluster?
Interesting, it would mean computing power was greater in winter with more clothing layers.
Sorry for using "interesting" and Beowulf cluster" in the same post.
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and i thought i was cool when i used my calculator watch to cheat in middle school.
Now I can use my bluetooth enabled PDA to tell me when my girlfriends panties are wet.
No more stinkfinger for me.
i wont be convinced until I have a pair of nano-khakis that don't force me to "shake" for three goddamn minutes after I take a piss
I guess we need to update the story of the emperors new clothes to include vapourware, coredumps and segmentation faults.
Seriously, PDA's are really coming along, in a couple years you'll have a fully functional computer inside a PDA with free wireless and everything you need. And if you need to hide for a while, its easy to 'forget' your computer in the house or car. You can't really do that with clothing.
From 0% to 20% in ten years? That means about 220 million articles of clothing will be produced in the year 2013 for sale in the U.S. market alone.
Riiight.
Its amazing how much these researchers get blinders on and inflate the importance of their research. There must be a term for this.
A computer in my clothes.. Talk about a dress code!
Maybe there's something wrong with my peripheral vision.
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
um... sewing an ipod-sized pocket into a jacket somehow makes her an expert on trends in embedded systems?
Well hell, I can fit five AA cells in my mouth -- I say in 6 months we'll all be living underwater on the moon!
Now where's my consulting fee?
Great now I have to be careful with cloths of the edible variety like chicken. Last thing I need is to hit my stomach and hearing the latest chic tune because I was careless. Hope atleast it's a good collection.
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dont you already don your hitec penguin suits at your lan parties?
On a related note, the International Symposium on Wearable Computing is being held this October 21-23 in White Plains, NY.
One of these days I'll attend one...
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Won't be long until it is fashionable to be Borg.
"Yes and here we have J-Lo sporting her Eau Du Borg and watch as she assimilates Ben Afflec's wallet! Ooooo! Ahhhh!"
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Now wheres my mobile phone?
Oh damn its in the wash..
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What I want out of wearable computing is an eyepiece or specs that connect to a pda/computer wirelessly that overlays what I see with information.
Doing things like facial recognition and putting people's names under them and maybe some information you wanted to remember about them. Like 'don't ask john about his wife'.
As x approaches total apathy I couldn't care less.
It appears that your boxers are out of date, there exists a security hole that could allow your wang to show. A patch exists that could repair them, would you like to install it?
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Integrating electronics into clothing gives you a many to many problem, you have to be wearing this for that to work etc. Then there's the batteries, washing, changes in fashion, worn out clothing etc.
The ability to stick this electronic device into that pocket gives you a many to one relationship and will remove any market demand for integrated devices. In fact they are a disfeature[1].
[1] Is that a real word? Go on, pedants you know you want to look it up for me.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.
Hopefully she isn't referring to RFID tags
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Current ones are too conspicuous and expensive. And geeky!!!
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Joseph Dvorak, a researcher at Motorola US, predicts the computers and technology we wear in four or five years time will not draw attention to ourselves.
such as: this...
Really, Michael J. Fox tried to tell us this in the 80's in BttF3. ;) Self-cleaning and self-sizing jacket, self-tying shoes... very cool. ;)
He may be good at technology integration, however, he doesn't understand anything about fashion...
The more noticable, the better. However, it needs to be still comfortable and wearable. There is a difference between his picture and mine. When will we get solar-cell fabrics?
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Imagine an LCD-like dress that can be easily reprogrammed to show any combination of colors and image. I would like to be free from a fashion dictated by somebody else then me.
From a techincal point of view, a shirt calculating your blood pressure , sugar or alcool level in your blood and other medical parameters would be a very valuable tool, as long as it doesn't also broadcast the data like the nasty RDIF tag in theory could.
... it will be at last credible to reject your responsability to your old pair trousers for having illegaly downloaded thausends of MP3s on the Internet...
Wonder what OS the clothes will come installed with.
The Design group @ Phillips have been thinking about wearable electronics for a long time. Check out their webpage for it: http://www.design.philips.com/what_we_do/research_ projects/wearable_electronics.asp.
They published a super-cool book called New Nomads a few years back where they propose some interesting ideas. The book is reeeeeeally hard to find, [you have to order it directly from 010 Publishing from the Netherlands], but the ideas in it, as well as how it is made is way interesting... It even has a soft, thick, deep purple color... Those crazy designers!
In general though, Phillips Design do great stuff with ubicomp, wearable comp, and other cool futuristic ideas, trying to put those things in a social perspective [lots of S&TS and HCI stuff here].
...so how long until I can buy underwear that will email me when it's time to change them?
This is terrible. Having computers in clothes will just set off primitive alarms in huge department and food stores.
This will give sleezy creepy $8/hour 'security guards' an excuse to take female customers into back rooms and strip search them in lieu of threats, detainment, or arrest.
Sure, if you're rich, you can sue, threaten, or avoid stores with oppressive and primitive alarm systems (like Fred Meyer).
But if you're not rich, it's just one more mean stupid thing that the technological community has inflicted on the general population in order to find reason to continue to exist.
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How many people carry one or more of the following devices with them in a pocket or attached to their beltloop nearly all of the time:
* PDA
* pager
* mobile phone
* music player (LP/walk/disc man, MP3/Ogg, whatever)
* Gameboy
That's 20% ladies and gentlemen. Please deposit $10 consulting fee in that slot in your computer. I collect them using the Internet.
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An iPod built into a jacket?? You have to wear the jacket whenever you want to use the iPod! What if it goes out of style?
How about a network-aware wireless microdrive stitched into your wallet, to hold your personal data, PIM info, and for temporary file storage? Now that's useful.
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They just didn't predict all the porn.
"Drying boxers..."
*DING*
"Your boxers are now dry!"
The government's moral compass is controlled by GPS.
In times of crises, they alter it to suit their needs.
You jump (or rather fall) into a fountain and the clothes clean and dry themselves.
If you install all the fans of a G5 to your jacket, does that count as 20% ?
I will get a cell phone. Not all tech people are obsessed with this crap.
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If you include things such as RFID tags, and non-removable store security devices, as well as consumer devices, then I think the figure will be much higher, at least 70%.
Maybe only 20% will contain some kind of electronic device that is useful to the wearer. That sounds more realistic.
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While it's not explicitly "wearable computing", the Scott eVest line of jackets is an interesting solution to our existing gadget carrying hell.
It's not easy to carry a PDA, Ipod & cell without resorting to cargo pants every day. Plus, while those Docker mobile pants have a lot of pockets, it really gets heavy.
I lust for one of those jackets, but I won't buy one until I see it in person- they are much too expensive to be buying over the net, sight unseen.
Are really neat and all that, but I want a Business suit that comes in USAF blue, conforms to the rules for what I can wear at work, and integrates a full optic camoflauge feature. When they have that, then I'll bite.
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Apparently all the buttons are in different places. ...worse still, only aged touch typists will know how to undress.
Wearable computing sounds cool and all. But all I really need is a concealed radio that I can wear to work. Anyone have any ideas on this? The really small ones usually get really crappy reception. Ideally it would be somehow built into a hat. I am allowed to wear a hat. Hell, I'll just google it. But to bring it back to topic, the wearable computing thing sounds kind of cool. I could listen to streaming internet radio at work. That would end the tyranny of crappy radio stations.
predicts the computers and technology we wear in four or five years time will not draw attention to ourselves.... And Dr. Dianne Jones from textile company SOFTswitch, maker of the Burton Amp jacket which integrates an Apple iPod
We already have that. It's called a JACKET. You put iPod in a compartment called your POCKET and the player is integrated to your JACKET and it doesn't draw attention to yourself.
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I don't think he was referring to John Dvorak either...
And Dr. Dianne Jones from
:)
Anyone else read that as "Dr. Indiana Jones" at first? She's probably been called that for the first 15 years of her existence on this earth.
Went to CompUSA and looked at the only armband they have for my iPod. It's a huge, too-wide band of stretch fabric with the same stupid black leather-and-plastic cover over the iPod itself. Black? Bulky? Did they notice the iPod itself is white and pretty danged sleek? I wanted something that'd be like a watchband to wear, and they gave me scuba gear.
Take a look at technologies that are more mature, and you have a different level of refinement altogether. Binoculars, high end ones, really do give a rip about balance, the strap design distributing weight, and every little detail of focus speed and so on. My Swarovskis cost just under a grand retail, and every little detail of their design reflects thought about how you can use them for days at a time in comfort. No ostentation, just good design.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.
Has anybody thought about the cost of washing this stuff. It already costs an arm and a leg to get stuff drycleaned. If I could afford these clothes, the washing bill would finish off my bank account.
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Great we have a sysadmin here who wears the same clothes for a week. Now he has an excuse, I didn't want my cpu to get wet and corrode!
So what happens when I've got my mp3-jacket, my PDA-jacket, my phone-jacket, and my camera-jacket, but it's a hot summer's day outside?
:p )
I wouldn't want to be limited to wearing a particular item of clothing to enjoy particular functionality. I want to be able to listen to my mp3s butt-naked if I please, thank you very much (and I don't care how unpleasant that image is
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Imagine an LCD-like dress that can be easily reprogrammed to show any combination of colors and image. I would like to be free from a fashion dictated by somebody else then me.
While the concept is interesting, your reasoning is lame. To say that there are myriad fashion "styles" available at any time would be a massive understatement. Sure, if you only spend your days at the mall, then you're likely to only see the "popular" styles. However, bother to spend any time actually looking (and with the web, "looking" is about as easy as can be), and you'll find pretty much any fashion style that you can imagine.
Then there's the most obvious thing, spend a little time learning and a few bucks on a sewing machine and create whatever you feel like. To claim that you are somehow being pidgeon holed by "fashion dictated by someone else" just shows how lazy you are.
Your clothes will soon become accessories for your gadgets, say fashion and technology experts
Hmm, I wonder how many of these people exist...
I bought a ScottEVest and I have been immensely happy with the purchase. The only way it looks real geeky is if I am wearing it in the summer with shorts or using it as a vest and even that is not bad. When the sleeves are on it is great. Very non geek. The PAN conduits are a great idea. Almost every pocket has a hole for the pan. Some pockets can be 2 pockets or one pocket depending on your use. My one pocket in the front of the jacket holds both my Walkman (for radio) and my MP3 Player. There's a strip of velcro sealed and it separates the two and prevents them from clanking together. When I want to switch, I pull out the one I want to plug into and pull the plug out of theon still in the pocket, Plug the headphones in, start it and put it back in. I am using regular headphones until I find some COMFORTABLE ear buds. Most buds are either too small or to big. I have found none that are adjustable.
:) It would be VERY hard to make those and have them look non geeky! :)
:) IN any case, judging from the general public's opinion of the ScottEVest when I was in DC at the International Spy Museum (Very cool place.....check it out if you can...even the store is cool), I'd say she's right. The couple who was in the store in the same section of the store as I was saw the jacket when I was poking at the pockets and such and when I showed them the pan that the guy could hide his earbud for his cellular the WIFE thought it was great! Not just the guy! People want to be able to take their MP3 Player with them but they are leary of belt clips and other accoutrements to hold these. A pocket in a jacket or pair of pants is a much more secure method of carrying around these things. Backpacks all over the place now have holes for the headphone cable to come out of. Until bluetooth comes down to a decent price, cables are the way and some people will STILL want to use the cable because it sounds better or is cheaper. Even then you'd want pockets. Most conventional jackets have like 3 pockets. Only one of those somewhat sealed. People don't want to lug a bag and guys definitely don't want to carry a purse or risk an expensive device flying off the belt clip. The Scottevest and those Levi Dockers with teh extra pockets are very appealing...not just to geeks either. Case in point, the burton amp jacket is just too cool....too bad I don't own a iPod!
For my GPS, I have a Radio Shack digitraveler and I run it's cable from the pocket near the sholder to the pocket on the front. When I need to use it, all I have to do is pull the iPaq out of the same pocket and plug it in.
There are so MANY pockets that so far most of mine are empty. I have the storage to take almost everything I want with me all of the time except my laptop and I don't always need it. Now all I need is ScotteShorts for the summer!
Now my question for Slashdotters is why are you TRYING to hide taht your a geek? To me, either you are or your not. You can't alter your appearance much to hid eyour tech obsession. That GPS watch just gives it away!
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I think Batman and his belt own the rights to this.
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She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.
Of course. What else are we going to plug into our flying cars?
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Certainly within the next 10 years we could 20% of garments with electronic components in them. [and that is a direct quote from the BBC article - errors and all...]
so I would say she is not quite as optimistic as it sounded...
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Joseph Dvorak, a researcher at Motorola US, predicts the computers and technology we wear in four or five years time will not draw attention to ourselves.
Heck, what's the point of being a geek if your wearable gear doesn't draw attention?
How long before the first 802.11w (wearable?) exploit causes my joeBoxer.NET ElectroWare to change sizes w/o my authorization.. causing groin-area pain beyond all comprehension.
/* * pope1 */
Like remotely activating the zip-up routine when you weren't finished?
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I predict 6 months from now, people will still be predicting more crap based on nothing.
"She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components."
To me, that seems like an unbelievably mediocre statement. Considering how logarithmic the expansion of other technologies have been, in much short time frames.
I suppose if you put it in context(ile) you'll see that the garmet industry is painfully slow to adapt to new manufacturing techniques. This is mostly due to the nearly slave labor they employ.
rant --
Does anyone wonder where all the clothing assembly lines are with the machines that make cloths just like a car in Detroit? Oh, wait, they don't exist. It's just a bunch of starving 13 year old chinese working with dealy chemicals so that, when they die at age 32 of lead poisoning their children can immigrate to a safer country. Now they get to sew in cheaply made electronics, too!
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Nike's with Power Laces?
Jackets that will automatically adjust to your body and dry themselves off when they get wet?
And now an iPod intergrated into it.
Wonder what's next? 'Under'wearable computing?
We're so glad to now have you aboard here at YYZ corporation. The first thing you need to do is go through our IT department orientation. That is our 'information textile department' in case you thought otherwise. Yes, here at YYZ we have been very successful in converting our old IT organization into the new wearable computing strategy. We even use the new high bandwidth proximity cuffs for those huge data transfers that just can't wait. All you have to do is click wrists! Plus, we have the new notification collars for IM'ing that give you lots of different physical stimulation choices (pretty much everyone hated the buzz collars). We use the new integrated 'eSkin' data suits, and we have many new style choices just in. If you'll step right in here, we'll get your measurements and issue you a set of eSkins. After that, I'll take you to the cafeteria and show you how to sit in the new recharging chair seats.
I realized I could outfit my penis with some sort of cylindrical latex apparatus that would allow me to mount a flexible keyboard around it. This would leave plenty of room, also allowing for both hands to contact the surface at the same time. I think it will need a receptacle tip though as I may get turned on when typing long posts to slash dot.
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I suppose if you'd checked those first two links you'd have realised you'd confused the company with one "l" with the company with "ll" in its name?
I left it in my other pants.
My question is, why wearable? Why not implants, directly interfaced with the host's neurons? Surely, there's more geek factor in that.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Of course the Corporate Representative thinks that in 10 years we'll all be wearing computers. She's got a financial interest in our doing so! She's trying to increase shareholder confidence.
Too bad she's full of it. I'm not wearing my computer. Ever. Can you imagine going through security gates with a computer sewn into your clothing?
"Excuse me sir, would you mind booting your pants?"
Error 404: Server not found. User has been pantsed.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Apparently, wearable PCs are proving to be a viable and lucrative technology for businesses like FedEx and major utility companies, but the US military loves them, too. For instance, Xybernaut, (NASDAQ:XYBR) will be on the receiving end of a long flow of Pentagon contracts in the coming years. I read in another article, that, by 2008, the Pentagon plans to outfit the entire military with wearable PCs. Combining GPS location of U.S. forces, with satellite imagery location of enemy forces, our soldiers may be able to get a complete view of the battlefield and their position within it, real-time. "G.I. Joe, you are here *".
will always want to wear things that draw attention to themselvs.
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.... that 99% of all clothing will contain electronics. And by that I mean those damn RFID tags.
Damn Major League Baseball and their spy satellietes!
And yes, it's probably spelled wrong. Take off, eh.
I don't want to have imbedded technology in my cloathing. Heck, if they never wore out, I'd never replace my current clothing. Build me a nice oxford shirt that works just like cotton and lasts forever, and I'll be first in line to buy it.
What I want is for them to design a cell phone/PDA/computer that's small enough to fit in my pocket, large enough not to get lost, and durable enough not to get scratched up by my keys and loose change or get broken when I fall on it. (This happens often. Don't ask)
After the average world citizen has gone through their 2nd or 3rd generations of cell phones or PDAs, I have a feeling they will be wanting something like this.
The Internet is generally stupid
I attended the HelsIT conference on Healthcare Informatics last week.
One of the speakers was from the Norwegian Centre for Telemedicine. He presented various future scenarios. Some of those scenarios involved the use of wearable computers for doctors and nurses in hospitals, including the use of PDAs and cell phones.
He also talked about remote treatment of patients, such as robotic surgery, or patients putting on VR suits and receiving massage through a computer network. I immidiately thought "Of course the pr0n industry will be all over this." Two seconds later, he said "The porn industry has shown a lot of interest in this.", to the amusement of the audience.
An un-related highlight of the conference, for me, was the demonstration of the computer systems developed and used by the Kameda Medical Group.
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Care instructions: Wipe with damp cloth when the "change underwear" inicator is lit.
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Do geeks have to wear bras and skirts to be considered 'up to date'?
I'd hate to see Cowboy Neal follow that trend...
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Technology transfer is term used to denote the civilian adoption of technologies that were originally designed with a solely military use in mind. One of the most interesting with respect to wearable tech has to be the active camouflage fabrics the Army is developing. Think of it as a giant-scale LCD display that can be cut and stitched and worn.
What this means is that a 300 pound chick will be able to project a photo of Britney Spears over her torso and you won't know what happened until the next day when all your friends at work point at you and start laughing.
What if the (non-linux brand of cloths) crashes while you're wearing it? Will the ctrl-alt-del become a dance move at popular night clubs? Or even worse... the cpu in my 'embeded' underwear over heats and burns my junk? Or my socks become fragmented?
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It was reported today that Gucci is designing a new clothing line for the chic and smart. The line will include Microsoft's new Windows PC (Personable Chic) software and run on only 1 TByte of embedded memory. The new line will also include the latest v-chip meeting the latest specifications from Homeland Security and RIAA.
I thought the industry only followed trends bubbled up to it (hence the need for cool hunters in areas ranging from music to shoes to fashion)? That whole defusion research on the adaptation of x into a population.
And people (on average) are very finicky about what they wear. A common misconception is that clothing is just a utilitarian thing: carry your keys, protect you from the elements, etc. In fact, clothing is social shorthand for broadcasting certain things about yourself to others and this functionality is the only use of clothing for most people. Ask any clique of 13 year old girls.
You have a nice sweater from A&F. Your group of friends approve. It says something. You add a damn PDA onto the sleeve, well, that says something too (and it's up to the wearer to decide if that message is important). Otherwise the button-down shirt would've been replaced with the velcro'd orange jumpsuit. And no matter how hard industry tries to push said jumpsuit, you won't see one in a school or club without a large smattering of irony.
Not to say that wearable tech won't make it (I think a sly Steve McQueen-esque turtleneck with a speaker cellphone built into it would be kinda fly [*ring*, puts fingers on neck, "Hello? Hey! Rodney..."]) but it won't be because some manager at American Eagle willed it into being.
What is music when you despise all sound?
I can just hear the excuse some girl will come up with to not go out with me on a Friday...
"I'm sorry, I'm defragging my pants that day.
the Dvorak you are referencing (John Dvorak) writes for a PC mag.
No. The Dvorak he was referencing invented an alternate keyboard layout. John Dvorak had nothing to do with the Dvorak keyboard layout.
Go through your list of 'knowledge' some time and ask yourself how much of it is factual, and why you believe it is.
I predict that in 10 years 100% of the clothing people have on their bodies will be WEARABLE.
From medicine, to science, to fashion "10 years" really means "someday we hope". The cure for Aids, alzheimers and celiac has been 10 years away for 20 years now.
I think 'wearable' computing for the forseeable future (10-20 years) will be restricted to PDAs, Cel phones and watches with mix and match functionality, increasingly the difference between them will be a choice of 'style' rather than giving up major features.
I think cel phones are going to win out over the others. They all have clocks, most of them are coming with some sort of PIM. More importantly, phones are about connecting with PEOPLE, not just data; people have a reason to carry them other than "geeking out".
All we need is some good NAND memory and a universal architecture (java mobile or transmeta anyone?).
Now if I could just get Samsung to listen to me about their phone apps......
I did it anonymously as to not get modded down, then I got a +5! I tried to learn dvorak about a year ago but just didn't have the patience. Do you actually see benefits?
for entertainment especially, i agree. most every teen people would crave an all LED video and audio surrounding, buildin some max powered sub-woofer speakers and add a full 65K+ color display to shock and amaze and they will buy them in carloads!!! make and roll your own environments dude