That was Yale, not Princeton. Other than that, you're pretty much on the money. But as for the food bit: You forgot to mention that the only way the USDA knows to provide enough food is to allow Monsanto and ADM and the rest to foist GM foods and hormone-laced meat and milk on the public without any labeling or notification of any kind. You sound like you don't live in the USA, and you should be glad you don't -- you probably get good, wholesome food where you live.
The truth is, most modern cars sold in the US DO have a speed governor.
That may be the truth, but he said all, not most. In fairness, I now see (after reading the article he was quoting) that they are not talking about government-mandated speed governors, which is what I assumed by the "all" statement (I thought it was an oblique reference to the CBDTPA vis-a-vis TCPA) -- I see no other way that all cars would have them (just as I see no other way that all computers will have TCPA/Palladium), and the only place I know of that mandates speed governors is Japan. There may be others, but the USA, Canada and Mexico are not among them, and I did not pull that out my ass. [BTW, it's not possible to prove a negative, so I'm not obliged to show you the non-law that doesn't mandate speed governors; it's your task to prove me wrong by showing me that law that does mandate speed governors]
Cars sold in North America with speed governors probably have them because they're mandated elsewhere and it's cheaper to put them in all cars than to take them out here.
By the way, you know "most" cars have speed governors because.... You "have driven several cars at very very high speeds" and found the top speed artifically limited in all of them?
What? You don't say! You haven't done any of those? So did
you just pull this out of your ass?
The least they could do is update the FAQ when they change the system's behavior.
No, I'm wrong: the least they could do is what the actually do, which is nothing. Fucking stupid lazy/.
If they don't want off-topic posts about/. itself, why don't they provide a forum for discussing/.? Oh, I forgot, it's because they're fucking stupid lazy/.!
Geeze, you really missed it. "1984" was written in 1948. He wrote, "It is 3Q 2030." You ask him to expand a/. post into a novel, which will take some time; let's give him a year to do it. So it will come out in -- you guessed it, 2003, and it will be called "2030". His date for this was spot-on the Orwell target, if you ask me.
I don't follow your logic. Linux loses how, exactly? Without the ability to use the Palladium hardware, Linux won't be able to run Palladium software? Unlike today, you mean, where Linux can't run any Windows software anyway. (if you want to share files with MS Office users the answer is Open Office, not Wine)
The only threat here is if the Office files themselves (and things you want to do on the Internet, etc.) require Palladium. But that would lock out more than just Linux users, it would lock out anyone without a Palladium PC, Palladium Windows, and Palladium application(s). So for Palladium to effectively kill open source in general and Linux in particular it will have to become so ubiquitous that everyone needs it even more than they today need Office or IE compatibility. And that will not happen until everyone who is currently happy with their PC, OS, and applications find a good reason to replace them all with Palladium versions, and that won't happen untill Palladium becomes ubiquitous enough to effectively require it, etc. It's a classic chicken-egg problem, and I fail to see the Killer App that's going to make everyone throw away perfectly good computers and upgrade to Palladium systems. It's either everyone upgrades overnight or it fails to take hold.
Even if every new PC sold from now on is Palladium-compliant, what do you do about the installed base? What Killer App makes them all upgrade? If my bank requires Palladium, I'll switch banks; enough folks do that and the remaining banks won't switch to Palladium. If all new CDs require Palladium, the most they can expect of me is that I'll buy a DRM-compliant CD player and use the analog output to "pirate" the music for my car and computers. Lots of people forget that today's cheap analog is far better than the best you could buy at any price 20 years ago; if you don't have super-d-duper amps and speakers you won't notice the difference; you certainly won't notice it in your car at 60 MPH. Hell, most MP3's introduce more distortion in their compression than you'd get taping the analog outputs! Don't fear analog, folks.
So unless you can show me the Killer App, I predict Palladium is as dead as Digital Video Express (Divx, not DivX).
Re:Details on Palladium from EFF's Seth Schoen...
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Those "FP and goatse guys" are -1 Offtopic, not -1 Flamebait or -1 Troll. Hell, most of the FP guys are also -1 Redundant, since they're claiming first post but are usually the second, third, forth, or fifth post. So he's not saying FP and goatse posts are "right", you're just moderating them incorrectly (not that it matters, -1 is -1).
Oh, and this thread is -1 Offtopic, but if you mod me such please also mod the parent to match. Thanks.
The source for this is his ass. Or maybe thin air. He certainly didn't pull this out of a law or government regulation. He didn't even state a jurisdiction. This is true in Japan, and maybe some other countries, but it's not true in the United States or Canada or Mexico, so "all" cars do not have speed governors. Maybe his car has a rev limiter to prevent engine damage, but that's not a speed limiter and it's not a legal requirement for all cars.
I am so happy I stumbled upon this thread! Thanks, Marque_Off, whoever you are!
To joshsisk and the others who have asked similar questions, I suggest you read Marque_Off's other posts. It's clearly a bot! A very clever bot, and from the posts clearly a bot in development (it's getting better). I just wish I had the talent (and time) to do something this cool, and I hope that some day whoever is behind Marque_Off releases the code under an open license. Way cool, and you go on my "friends" list!
Geeze, imagine what'll happen when a bot earns enough karma to moderate. Hey, if it earns the karma it deserves the opportunity!
Why should I care? Where's the "killer app"?
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All of this matters how, exactly? If I can run a non-TCPA approved OS (even Windows XP) on the TCPA motherboard, so what? Isn't that the same as running a non-TCPA approved OS on a non-TCPA motherboard? I don't get it. So I can't use TCPA-restricted services or run TCPA-restricted software. Big whoop. I can't do that now!
TCPA will only matter if it reaches critical mass, but people (and corporations) will have little incentive to upgrade their hardware AND their software just to run Longhorn/Palladium unless they can't do something critical without it. In other words, the TCPA-restricted services and software will have to be required, and how will they ever become required if everyone must first upgrade their hardware AND OS AND applications?
I really doubt M$ can reach critical mass on this one. What's the "killer app" that drives everyone to TCPA/Palladium? Movies? -- Hollywood would have to stop releasing on DVD and switch over 100% to a TCPA-restricted medium first, and frankly at that point I'll just stop buying movies. Remember, society got along just fine from the 1900s to the early 1980s without owning/renting movies, and we got along just fine in the 1980s and most of the 1990s owning/renting them on VHS. I'd miss DVDs, but I won't replace my entertainment system if they stop selling them. Treating me like a thief isn't going to make me rush out and replace my TV, VCR, & DVD player with something that performs exactly the same (and refuses to play my old DVDs!). The RIAA and MPAA both think society can't get along without them, but they may be in for a rude awakening.
eBusiness? So far they haven't been able to entice everyone to pay bills or shop exclusively online, and forcing a complete system upgrade first isn't going to make it more attractive. Why business would rush to embrace this eludes me. My job is making in-house software for Fortune 500 companies, and they hate spending money on things like automated testing tools; they sure aren't going to like having to pay an outside company to certify their in-house software before their own computers will run it. Hell, who certifies the development copies so they can even be tested? Companies are not going to replace all their computers just so they can increase their software development costs.
Nobody's going to go for this -- there's no "killer app."
From http://www.xbox.com/dev/regdev.htm: "NO XBOX SOFTWARE PRODUCT(S) MAY BE PUBLISHED, OR DISTRIBUTED TO END USERS, EXCEPT BY A LICENSED PUBLISHER PURSUANT TO AN XBOX DEVELOPMENT KIT AND XBOX PUBLISHER LICENSE AGREEMENT EXECUTED BY MICROSOFT."
So it sounds like they violated the license on their XDK. Question: How did they get an XDK, and how can the rest of us get one? Or are they also out there on Lime Wire/Kazaa/IRC?
OK, but you didn't answer my question: What do you use to share files in a pure Unix environement? Or do you use NFS like everybody else, even though it sucks?:-)
So, in a pure Unix network, would you run SMB? Or what? I'd really like to know what you use to share files in a pure Unix environment. Outland Traveller? Anyone?
I think the orginal poster ment, if you are eliminating Microsoft products, why would you still have Windows PCs to share files from Samba?
Because we're still eliminating Microsoft products, we haven't eliminated them yet.
You could be doing, NFS/CODA between all your Linux workstations.
Exactly! And I want the Windows PCs to use the same protocols as the rest of the network. I don't want to force the network to conform to the minority Windows clients, I want the Windows clients to conform to the network! You're making my case for me -- thanks.
If you're eliminating Microsoft products, why do you need samba?:)
I know you were being funny, but I've asked the same question: Why use Samba to serve Linux files to Windows PCs? Why not use NFS on the Windows PCs to reach those Linux files? Apparantly that's not a good idea. It's even in the NFS HowTo: "[the NFS How To] will also not cover PC-NFS, which is considered obsolete (users are encouraged to use Samba to share files with PC's)"
I would really appreciate any pointers to an open (GPL, BSD, whatever) NFS client for Windows, as I'd much rather go that route. Googlesearches turn up "free" demos of commercial software; the only open client I can find is PC-NFS, which is depricated (although I may try it anyway).
Can anyone please explain why NFS on Windows is such a "bad idea" -- or did Samba simply kill PC-NFS? Is it a better idea now, in the face of M$ patents threatening to kill Samba?
Whether we like it or not, we're all going to Microsoft's.NET because with.NET in-house corporations will be able to control this stuff. Yes,.NET is evil on the Internet (where it's controlled by M$), and we individuals are gonna hate it. But most computers are bought by GE and Boeing and Tyson Foods, not by you and me, and on their intranets they control.NET, not Microsoft. The Fortune 500 loves.NET, because it puts control of computing back into the IT department, "where it belongs." If your desktop PC won't load any non-certified software (ever try loading any NT device drivers under Windows XP?) and all your corporate apps are.NET, running on a server somewhere (remember Mainframes? They're baaa-aak!), corportate drones won't be able to run IM clients, and IT admins won't have to police it, either.
Meanwhile, Michael Mattes wants to know how to stop IM at the firewall, so he won't have to police the desktop. A reasonable question.
Super-D-Duper! But how does that make the other IM systems secure? His question was how to block IM, not which IM is "acceptable." For all you know his company already has a corporate-standard secure IM system, and they want to block all others.
Simple fact. I own my work, I retain all rights to that work. I didn't pass any of those rights on to Wayback. They have no right to archive my work without my permission.
Gee, when I visited those sites (c. 1995) I don't recall seeing anything on them that said I didn't have the right to read them. If you don't want people to read your stuff, don't put it on the Internet! If you put it on the World Wide Web, don't be surprised if someone takes that to mean you don't mind if anyone reads it. Remember, if you put a "robots.txt" disclaimer, they'll honor your request.
Why? It's easier to block the entire domain, and in the case of Yahoo! it's no loss to the employees. There isn't anything work-related on Yahoo! that you can't find, often better, at other sites. Yahoo! used to be my "portal", but now I hardly ever go there anymore. Frankly, Yahoo! sucks, and if I were the sort of employer who blocks IM (to keep work computer use work related) I'd have no problem blocking Yahoo! (But ask me to block Google and I quit:-)
This is the office we're talking about, folks, not the public library.
And it never works for me. I've tried it with Netscape and now Mozilla, and it always points me to http://www.nytimes.com/regi with all the fields blank. Does it need MSIE to work?
Gee, I must have missed the part where the Wayback Machine charges to look at their archive. I guess I'm stealing from them, eh? Or else maybe they're not selling anyone's copyrighted work.
Oh, and every year I pay for my public library, whether I use it or not, in my property taxes. So in a sense they are selling me those books (only I don't get to keep them, so I guess I'm just renting them).
The Wayback Machine doesn't even do that; they just let you see them for free, just like you could see them for free at the original sites. Imagine that! They're giving away free what the copyright holder gave away for free. Now, you'd have a case if they archived pay sites and let you see them for free -- point me to their pay-for-porn collection!
No, the issue is more akin to a library carrying newspapers and magazines for years, and their publishers suddenly telling the libraries "those copies are out of date, stop letting people read them." Why? If you didn't want anyone to read it, why did you put it out on the web?
Are you ashamed of what you did back then, when you were young and foolish? Grow up -- we're all ashamed of what we did when we were young and foolish, and years from now you'll be ashamed of what you're doing today. Get over it.
Personally, I think archives are great. Whenever I design an application I always ask about archiving, because inevitably they're gonna want it and it's easier to design in from the start. Oh, you want to know what your top 10 customers ordered last Christmas? Now you tell me! Geeze, we flushed that data last February, 'cause you said once the credit card cleared you didn't care to pay for the storage. But I digress.
Someday your next client will want examples of your previous work, then you'll go crawling on your hands and knees to the Wayback Machine, begging them to show you what your pages looked like. And they'll honor your robots.txt file and tell you to get lost.
Maybe I'm missing something, but would a modification to the GPL be necessary? The GPL is a license to use a copyrighted work. The art is copyrighted work. Why can't the GPL therefore apply to the art? The only quibble would be about "source code", but if you released the original GIMP file as well as the bitmap/jpeg/whatever wouldn't that cover it?
He did not say he invented it or created it, he said he "took the initiative in creating the Internet" and by that he means he took the initiative in funding it. Any congressperson, Republican or Democrat, would make a similar claim. What he meant is "it wouldn't exist without the legislation I introduced and worked so hard to pass," which is true. Oh, and unlike the Anonymous Cowards I'll cite a reference!
Slashdot Mirror
If the Slashdot readership got to write the headlines (or even moderate them), things here could only improve.
Cars sold in North America with speed governors probably have them because they're mandated elsewhere and it's cheaper to put them in all cars than to take them out here.
By the way, you know "most" cars have speed governors because.... You "have driven several cars at very very high speeds" and found the top speed artifically limited in all of them?
No, I'm wrong: the least they could do is what the actually do, which is nothing. Fucking stupid lazy /.
If they don't want off-topic posts about /. itself, why don't they provide a forum for discussing /.? Oh, I forgot, it's because they're fucking stupid lazy /.!
The only threat here is if the Office files themselves (and things you want to do on the Internet, etc.) require Palladium. But that would lock out more than just Linux users, it would lock out anyone without a Palladium PC, Palladium Windows, and Palladium application(s). So for Palladium to effectively kill open source in general and Linux in particular it will have to become so ubiquitous that everyone needs it even more than they today need Office or IE compatibility. And that will not happen until everyone who is currently happy with their PC, OS, and applications find a good reason to replace them all with Palladium versions, and that won't happen untill Palladium becomes ubiquitous enough to effectively require it, etc. It's a classic chicken-egg problem, and I fail to see the Killer App that's going to make everyone throw away perfectly good computers and upgrade to Palladium systems. It's either everyone upgrades overnight or it fails to take hold.
Even if every new PC sold from now on is Palladium-compliant, what do you do about the installed base? What Killer App makes them all upgrade? If my bank requires Palladium, I'll switch banks; enough folks do that and the remaining banks won't switch to Palladium. If all new CDs require Palladium, the most they can expect of me is that I'll buy a DRM-compliant CD player and use the analog output to "pirate" the music for my car and computers. Lots of people forget that today's cheap analog is far better than the best you could buy at any price 20 years ago; if you don't have super-d-duper amps and speakers you won't notice the difference; you certainly won't notice it in your car at 60 MPH. Hell, most MP3's introduce more distortion in their compression than you'd get taping the analog outputs! Don't fear analog, folks.
So unless you can show me the Killer App, I predict Palladium is as dead as Digital Video Express (Divx, not DivX).
Those "FP and goatse guys" are -1 Offtopic, not -1 Flamebait or -1 Troll. Hell, most of the FP guys are also -1 Redundant, since they're claiming first post but are usually the second, third, forth, or fifth post. So he's not saying FP and goatse posts are "right", you're just moderating them incorrectly (not that it matters, -1 is -1).
Oh, and this thread is -1 Offtopic, but if you mod me such please also mod the parent to match. Thanks.
To joshsisk and the others who have asked similar questions, I suggest you read Marque_Off's other posts. It's clearly a bot! A very clever bot, and from the posts clearly a bot in development (it's getting better). I just wish I had the talent (and time) to do something this cool, and I hope that some day whoever is behind Marque_Off releases the code under an open license. Way cool, and you go on my "friends" list!
Geeze, imagine what'll happen when a bot earns enough karma to moderate. Hey, if it earns the karma it deserves the opportunity!
All of this matters how, exactly? If I can run a non-TCPA approved OS (even Windows XP) on the TCPA motherboard, so what? Isn't that the same as running a non-TCPA approved OS on a non-TCPA motherboard? I don't get it. So I can't use TCPA-restricted services or run TCPA-restricted software. Big whoop. I can't do that now!
TCPA will only matter if it reaches critical mass, but people (and corporations) will have little incentive to upgrade their hardware AND their software just to run Longhorn/Palladium unless they can't do something critical without it. In other words, the TCPA-restricted services and software will have to be required, and how will they ever become required if everyone must first upgrade their hardware AND OS AND applications?
I really doubt M$ can reach critical mass on this one. What's the "killer app" that drives everyone to TCPA/Palladium? Movies? -- Hollywood would have to stop releasing on DVD and switch over 100% to a TCPA-restricted medium first, and frankly at that point I'll just stop buying movies. Remember, society got along just fine from the 1900s to the early 1980s without owning/renting movies, and we got along just fine in the 1980s and most of the 1990s owning/renting them on VHS. I'd miss DVDs, but I won't replace my entertainment system if they stop selling them. Treating me like a thief isn't going to make me rush out and replace my TV, VCR, & DVD player with something that performs exactly the same (and refuses to play my old DVDs!). The RIAA and MPAA both think society can't get along without them, but they may be in for a rude awakening.
eBusiness? So far they haven't been able to entice everyone to pay bills or shop exclusively online, and forcing a complete system upgrade first isn't going to make it more attractive. Why business would rush to embrace this eludes me. My job is making in-house software for Fortune 500 companies, and they hate spending money on things like automated testing tools; they sure aren't going to like having to pay an outside company to certify their in-house software before their own computers will run it. Hell, who certifies the development copies so they can even be tested? Companies are not going to replace all their computers just so they can increase their software development costs.
Nobody's going to go for this -- there's no "killer app."
From http://www.xbox.com/dev/regdev.htm: "NO XBOX SOFTWARE PRODUCT(S) MAY BE PUBLISHED, OR DISTRIBUTED TO END USERS, EXCEPT BY A LICENSED PUBLISHER PURSUANT TO AN XBOX DEVELOPMENT KIT AND XBOX PUBLISHER LICENSE AGREEMENT EXECUTED BY MICROSOFT."
So it sounds like they violated the license on their XDK. Question: How did they get an XDK, and how can the rest of us get one? Or are they also out there on Lime Wire/Kazaa/IRC?
So, in a pure Unix network, would you run SMB? Or what? I'd really like to know what you use to share files in a pure Unix environment. Outland Traveller? Anyone?
You missed the subtile difference the moderators found all-important. His first, "redundant," post was signed:
"Sincerely, Bobby."
His second, "funny," post was signed:
"Sincerely,
Phil (The Turnip Head) John"
See the difference? The second is much funnier, making the first post clearly redundant.
I would really appreciate any pointers to an open (GPL, BSD, whatever) NFS client for Windows, as I'd much rather go that route. Google searches turn up "free" demos of commercial software; the only open client I can find is PC-NFS, which is depricated (although I may try it anyway).
Can anyone please explain why NFS on Windows is such a "bad idea" -- or did Samba simply kill PC-NFS? Is it a better idea now, in the face of M$ patents threatening to kill Samba?
Meanwhile, Michael Mattes wants to know how to stop IM at the firewall, so he won't have to police the desktop. A reasonable question.
This is the office we're talking about, folks, not the public library.
Oh, and every year I pay for my public library, whether I use it or not, in my property taxes. So in a sense they are selling me those books (only I don't get to keep them, so I guess I'm just renting them).
The Wayback Machine doesn't even do that; they just let you see them for free, just like you could see them for free at the original sites. Imagine that! They're giving away free what the copyright holder gave away for free. Now, you'd have a case if they archived pay sites and let you see them for free -- point me to their pay-for-porn collection!
Are you ashamed of what you did back then, when you were young and foolish? Grow up -- we're all ashamed of what we did when we were young and foolish, and years from now you'll be ashamed of what you're doing today. Get over it.
Personally, I think archives are great. Whenever I design an application I always ask about archiving, because inevitably they're gonna want it and it's easier to design in from the start. Oh, you want to know what your top 10 customers ordered last Christmas? Now you tell me! Geeze, we flushed that data last February, 'cause you said once the credit card cleared you didn't care to pay for the storage. But I digress.
Someday your next client will want examples of your previous work, then you'll go crawling on your hands and knees to the Wayback Machine, begging them to show you what your pages looked like. And they'll honor your robots.txt file and tell you to get lost.