>I love iterative development, but scrum didn't impress me much when I was involved with it. Care to elaborate on that then?
>Perhaps that was just due to the management that implemented it. We went from logging bugs and >tasks in bugzilla to writing them on index cards (do I really need to point out to computer >people how stupid that is?), and trying to plan projects on these obscure, poorly implemented >planning tools. I happen to be one of those computer people. I can write perfectly readable assembler, I know my C and sometimes I understand Perl. I happen to think of tool reduction as a very smart way of doing things and I like to see index card, simply for the added transparancy. Could you maybe elaborate what is so stupid about this approach. I have been doing it the past 4.5 years and with 8 companies I mentored for it worked just fine.
Being one that is rather involved in the agile community, I have a question for you.
How do you compare Apples with Oranges? Metrics will always offer you results on what you wish to track and most of the time what you measure has no abstract value. THere have been long winded and numerous discussions on empirical studies on methodologies and quite frankly comparative statistical research on something as abstract as methodologies is very complicated and I do not see it happening anytime soon.
I have implemented, used, mentored, coached and evangilised many agile projects and for those I worked on, it seemed to work.
> and an acceptance and evangelizing of silver-bullet methodologies.
Sometimes I really do not understand the modding. If you had read about 5 minutes into Scrum material you would have noticed that Ken Schwaber and every other coach _always_ explicitly mention that scrum is no silver bullet and will never be.
And for those of you who choose to gather more information before they start judging something they obviously know nothing about, here are some links that might get you started into the right direction:
I am sure a google search will also point you into the right direction. As someone who has been doing this Scrum thing for a while now, some of the comments I had to read here just make me cringe. They seem to be full of prejudice and plain nescience. Everything needs to be applied with wisodm and I think teh agile community has understood that. IN German there is a saying "Was der bauer ned kennt, des frißt a ned" Which means as much as: What the farmer does not know, he will not eat. Some of you that post your comments here, are a bit like that.
>1) Darwin ports has a lot more stuff on it than >fink. This is plain wrong. Fink currently sports over 4800 complete packages (this includes the variants). This only holds true for stable and binary packages.
2) Darwin ports is more up to date (in general) than fink
This is also plain wrong. The Fink CVS sees various updates daily. Of course some packages are more out to date, simply because we have more packages and there are not proportinally more maintainers. This only holds true for stable/binary packages.
3) Darwin ports allow you to throw more compile options at the packages (fink doesn't support this)
>install the Fink project (which often leaves much >to be desired, especially when installing fink >itself, but it'll get the job done)
I must apologise for answering belatedly. If you have concerns about Fink's usability or technical issues that you fell need to be addressed, please do not hesitate contacting us on the mailing lists or file a support tracker item. We are always trying to listen to our community, yet we are not able to moitor every discussion source out on the internet. So please bring any issues you might have to our attention at fink.sf.net
Once more a rather tiring answer. Installing to/usr/local is NOT safe. Simply because some installers that distribute Mac oS X ported UNIX applications sometimes install their support libraries into/usr/local. Tghis would inadvertedly overwrite whatever you have installed by something like Fink. Furthermore/usr/local is in the stanard search path of GCC and you cannot override that. So you might end up getting library/header mixups and conflicts./opt might be a nice choice, but when Fink started it was not availaible and there is _NO_ sane reason not to install into/sw. Furtermore you can install Fink where _YOU_ like, the prefix is adjustable, and you would have noticed that by reading the documentation:)
First, there are a quite a bunch of advanced build options in Portage that are not available under Fink (see/etc/make.conf). USE variable, easy distcc, easy ccache, powerful package query
While I can very much understand that you are missing these "features" we have chosen to deliberately not offer them. There are long threads and discussions on the Fink mailing lists why we do not offer such a system. Distcc integration is being worked on and there is already a patch for it. By installing ccache-default you will use ccachce by default, so I do nto quite see how that could be getting any easier:)
its package tree is smaller and less up to date than Portage is
That is something which is really up to you and how well you nag the maitainers of the packages you use to keep them up to date. Some applications aren't exactly trivial to maitain, their porting is a lot of work and it is yet to be seen if the portage tree can really stick up to its promise.
set Gentoo-MacOS apart from Fink is the number of developper and community size. That is something that cannot be duplicated.
I am not quite sure if we are still talking about Portage running on TOP of Mac OS X, because if it boils down to that, then our community size and the community that is using Fink, along with the established background we have will be hard to beat, even for Gentoo. This is of course no race and no competition, after all Fink is part and initiated the metapkg offensive (I should know I came up with the intial idea:)
To all of those who have had a Cisco Tech in their deparment because some appliance showed wierd behaviour it shouzld be nothing new that there seem to be a lot of hidden features in IOS. The many times they have hacked some "magic code" into the device and then restored data which should have never been there in the first place does seem to suggest there is more to IOS than meets the human eyes. In my particular case there even seems to be a very special debug and diagnostic mode nowhere mentioned. The VPN Concentrator we used could only be "fixed" using that mode to determine the failure. While that does not seem to be as much of an issue as a hidden user/password it does make you think what can happen when user/password + debug mode are used to crawl around the innards of your devices...
This issue has been addressed and the base files package has been updated. Ny running fink selfupdate or fink selfupdate-cvs you should get a new revision.
It is actually a bug in zsh, since it seems to spawn and internal process to do some globs and that leads to a wrongly escaped string asfaiu
Fink is working very closely together with the Opendarwin project. However each project hasi its inherent problems and advantages and many Mac os X user need or want open source software support. The Fink Project provides this kind of support. I would appreciate it, if you put more effort into gathering information before you go about shouting and yelling. If you still feel that we should put different kind of efforts into other projects or share more of our own work then you are free to dicsuss this with all of us on our fink-devel mailing list. You are very welcome to join.
And just so you can rest assured. I do not only have Macs at home, apart from Risc machines and some rather espteric hardware, i am also urring PC's with a vast variety of Operating systems.
I hate to prove you wrong.
Taurin is the synthetically produced counterpart to the naturally occuring Taurine. Natural substances cannot be reproduced, thus you would have to slay a human, suck the Taurine out and put it into a drink. Taurine is the equivalent produced by synthetic means.
Red Bulls Website simply explains the natural Taurine.
There is no distinct difference between synthetically produced and natural substances in most cases.
I hate to prove you wrong.
Taurin is the synthetically produced counterpart to the naturally occuring Taurine. Natural substances cannot be reproduced, thus you would have to slay a human, suck the Taurine out and put it into a drink. Taurine is the equivalent produced by synthetic means.
Red BUlls Website simply explains the natural Taurine. No one ever said it was _no amino_ acid, re read my comment
As a reader from the country in which Red Bull was invented I would like to toffer some background information.
The main "active" ingredient of Red Bull is Taurin.
Taurin is a drug, about 30 times stronger than caffeine together with a combination of Vitamines it is able to fill you body with new "Energy", whereas the Taurin actually only is a helper substance to quicker spread the active ingredients of the Vitamines and aid in the production of sugar. Originally Taurin has been found as an effective drug for encephalitic syndrome, cataract and glaucoma. It is also useful as a neuro-modulator and neuro-inhibitor of the central nervous system. As such it could be effectively used as an anti-convulsion drug.
However, if you consume too much of The substance you will get the opposit of the desired effect, being such a strong stimulator it can stimulate the body to fall into a shock like state. Thus heart racing appears, rapid breath, swetaing and simialr symptoms whihc _can_ lead up to death.
Taurin levels in red Bull are limited to the countries maximum allowed amount, which is limited in the country itself where Red Bull is manufactured. For example in Germany the original recepee may not be sold, it would fall under the narcotics law in germany.
Many people also do not head the warning printed onto the cans, which explicitly states, that you should _not_ ever mix red bull with alcohol, due to the fact, that youw ould be mixing a strong stimulating neuro drug with it as well.
Mixing the two can cause bad damage to the liver, due to some reaction between the active ingredients of the Taurin or better its Glycin Bile acids with the alcohol.
I do not work for Red Bull, nor do I wish to promote their product, but since it has been sold here in austria no issues with it have been reported by the media and when you are consuming a drink, which explicitly states, thaty ou should consume it in a sane way and you do not heed the warning, then something is wrong with you in the first place.
I just wanted to correct a few things.
First of all, Adobe does not own a trademark for the word "Illustrator" in the Federal Repulic of Germany, since that is not possible by current law standards.
The do own the full trademark for the application named "Adobe Illustrator". The word Illustrator has been granted as an enhanced and supplimentary trademark in the United States to the comapny Adobe, AFTER KDE had come into existance.
Since Killustrator is a part of KDE it is bound to its licenses and therefore aparts, which are trademarked under KDE and derrived for Killustrator are protected.
Of course Adobe has a an interest in protectin gtheir marketing, but as i have stated above, they lack a very important basis for any "Einstweilige Verfügungen" or "Abmahnungen".
"Abmahnungen" which concern trademark violations are the sole right of the trademark owner, you can re read that in section 14 of the MarkenG. Other, considered unfair competitive practices, can be handled by a wider range of organizations see section 13 (2) UWG. This basically means, that Adobe can only claim copyright or trademark infringement on the registered trademark, which is "Adobe Illustrator" not "Illustrator" and much less "Killustrator".
The law firm, which has been surely asked to act in the "best sense of the Adobe corperations" surely seemed to overlook that.
In German law it is sometimes a rather "criminal" practice to target small companies or individuals, sending them an "Abmahnung" with ahuge amount of money, scaring them enough, to do as bid by those who sent the note.
First of all I would like to ask you, if you would be kindly enough to prove, that you are actually a debian developer. I am sure, someone with your knowledge has a slashdot accoutn and does not need to post anonymously.
Furthermore I would like to ask you, if you understood the concept of open source completely. It also is a way for some, that express a certain affinity to a particular topic, to express themselves. The so called script kiddie, I happen to knwo personally takes a lot of his personal interest into this project.
He does this, becuase he wishes to provide a plattform for other, which might be interested in debian as well. No one in sperfect and he might make some mistakes, which could be easily corrected if you went to him, now thaty ouknwo where he can found, and helped him to improve instead of frustrating him by posting such a comment on a widely used webpage.
Do you want to have support from the userbase for the distribution you are working for, or do you want to angeer them. I am sure that you could have made a smarter approach to this, I wonder why you see a need to diminish his product. Maybe it is not bad, but good and it scares you that somone is able to provide such a plattform for debain users?
I am not sure why you would choose to mark yourself as a complete asshole in some readers eyes instead of going to rob and asking him to improve on his work.
In spain they have a saying, roughly translated it reads:
Everyone should first sweep inf ront of his own door, there's enough dirt to be cleaned.
Please disregard that post, ther has been an internal missunderstadning.
The official channel for this project is #content
The above channel is for an entirely different project.
dmalloc
Yes it was really me who paosted... my squid strips cookies and I am not used ot/. excuse that please so here is the repost
Hello linuxlover.
Thank you for asking more questions. Some might have simply walked away or left a stupid comment.
Since we have not really released a specification sheet, I can only outline the basic idea behind this project
As you surely know, all those open source related sites, such as linux.com, sourceforge.com and newsforge.com along with slashdot, are doing a great job gathering and displaying quick news.
We believe they are doing a great job in that area, yet we are missing a site where the news is project and which is more important very close to the users that are involved with it.
OPN is a large IRC network (more than 2200 user) which primarily hosts channels for projects such as #php, #debian #linuxhelp, #c , #c++ and the like. Naturally we have a lot of visitors fromt he open source community and many choose to meert with their co developers for a project on our network.
We are interested in displaying quality content, fromt he people, for the people, we are not interested to always have the latest news. linux.com and/. do a far batter job in that category.
We also wish to avoid branding, as long as the news is somehow associated with the open source community and we can reach someone that is in charge of those news (be it a user or a project maintainer or a developer) we are intereste din displaying it. Basically that means the same rights to everybody, no matter wheter this is a huge project like #php or a very small one. NO matter if it is mainly based on BSD, Solaris or linux.
I think it is important to understand, that we ar enot trying to copy nor be a competition to the big news site. We do nto have any interest in generating a fast revenue, we simply wish to build a news interface to the community, which has actually been developed and is maintained by the community. That is why we do nto have any paid staff, ourt staff will be made up from volunteers, everybody is free to sign up as a volunteer at this form.
We are also open for discussion as to how this site should be developed and what features should be included, that is why we introduced the mailing list.
Commonly a site is developed and then presented to the users, after a big team of analysts has skimmed the market indirectly for their wishes. We wish to be active and not passive by asking you before the site is developed, so you may help its development along.
Hopefully that lcears up a bit of the confusion you were left with. Please do not hesitate to visit me online if you have further questions.
dmalloc();
ps excuse the many typoes, my phone is ringing like crazy but I wish to keep up to date on comments.
you can see I am a slashdot newby.. again I posted the above article, so here the repost with my password
Hello;)
I just wanted to answer a few points quickly, since our specifications have not been released yet.
This will be more of a news site interfacing witht he community, rather than a community site itself.
Right now we have no plans of tracking other sites, yet we wish to provide all the necessary information, or better all the information the community truely wishes to read
about
WE will be mainly built to provide news about any open source projects.
We will employ static authors (voluntary staff) and occasional submissions from project.
Important to knowe is, that we will NOT be branding the site, that means we are not going to focus on linux or BSD or NetBSD or Solaris. The site is for the open source
community and many of the things that are developed there happen to run on many different OS.
dmalloc
Hello
Thank you for pointing this out. We will aim to please the common admin by developing an easy to setup interface as well. Even though the development should be kept as open source, we do not believe, that our code will be copied directly. We will try to provide the community with all the necessary tools to "reprint" the content that will, hopefully, offered to us by the open source community.
defining a standard is always a thing only the people involved can do, which would be you as well. s So please help us out and spread the word, join the list. Thank you
dmalloc
Hello:)
I woudl like to thank you for your generous offer. We have not decided how we will host the pages. Most likely we will have to look for a co-location, since we believe, that the machine which runs thesepages, shoudl be tailored to their needs. If you are interested in helping out, you might wish to stay in contact with me none the less. If you allow me I will kee you in my list as one of our possible mirrors once the site goes live. Even thought he net is a wonderfull place, one can never have enough mirrors to bounce their content off tot he user.
Hello:)
I really appreciate your comment. Yes, I could use a few assisstants. This prijects prooves itself to be rather interesting to many. Hopefully I will be able to pick a few of the mailing list.
I also appreciate your comments about being on track.
To me it is important, that the users also control me and the OPN structures behind this project. Everyone is free to discuss our ideas and hopefully, we , as the organisators will be able to read a consensus fromw hat is offered to us.
so help us out, we do not bite, we rely on your wisdom as well as ours.
dmalloc
Hello.
This is indeed a very interesting idea, please make sure you sign up to our mailing list and promote it there. Just for your information, we are already promoting such a format in a very limited way. OUr specification, for now, reads, that content and layout engine are completely seperated. This means we will be able to provide a whole lot of different formats from one content source. Hopefully that will also help in providing content to remote sites.
dmalloc
Slashdot Mirror
Hello.
>I love iterative development, but scrum didn't impress me much when I was involved with it.
Care to elaborate on that then?
>Perhaps that was just due to the management that implemented it. We went from logging bugs and >tasks in bugzilla to writing them on index cards (do I really need to point out to computer >people how stupid that is?), and trying to plan projects on these obscure, poorly implemented >planning tools.
I happen to be one of those computer people. I can write perfectly readable assembler, I know my C and sometimes I understand Perl. I happen to think of tool reduction as a very smart way of doing things and I like to see index card, simply for the added transparancy. Could you maybe elaborate what is so stupid about this approach. I have been doing it the past 4.5 years and with 8 companies I mentored for it worked just fine.
Thanks
Being one that is rather involved in the agile community, I have a question for you.
How do you compare Apples with Oranges?
Metrics will always offer you results on what you wish to track and most of the time what you measure has no abstract value. THere have been long winded and numerous discussions on empirical studies on methodologies and quite frankly comparative statistical research on something as abstract as methodologies is very complicated and I do not see it happening anytime soon.
I have implemented, used, mentored, coached and evangilised many agile projects and for those I worked on, it seemed to work.
> and an acceptance and evangelizing of silver-bullet methodologies.
Sometimes I really do not understand the modding. If you had read about 5 minutes into Scrum material you would have noticed that Ken Schwaber and every other coach _always_ explicitly mention that scrum is no silver bullet and will never be.
And for those of you who choose to gather more information before they start judging something they obviously know nothing about, here are some links that might get you started into the right direction:
www.controlchaos.com
www.scrumalliance.com
www.scrumeducation.com
www.xprogramming.com
www.extremeprogramming.org
www.agilemanifesto.org
I am sure a google search will also point you into the right direction. As someone who has been doing this Scrum thing for a while now, some of the comments I had to read here just make me cringe. They seem to be full of prejudice and plain nescience. Everything needs to be applied with wisodm and I think teh agile community has understood that. IN German there is a saying "Was der bauer ned kennt, des frißt a ned" Which means as much as: What the farmer does not know, he will not eat. Some of you that post your comments here, are a bit like that.
>1) Darwin ports has a lot more stuff on it than >fink.
This is plain wrong. Fink currently sports over 4800 complete packages (this includes the variants). This only holds true for stable and binary packages.
2) Darwin ports is more up to date (in general) than fink
This is also plain wrong. The Fink CVS sees various updates daily. Of course some packages are more out to date, simply because we have more packages and there are not proportinally more maintainers.
This only holds true for stable/binary packages.
3) Darwin ports allow you to throw more compile options at the packages (fink doesn't support this)
Correct and this is a design choice.
-d
>install the Fink project (which often leaves much >to be desired, especially when installing fink >itself, but it'll get the job done)
I must apologise for answering belatedly. If you have concerns about Fink's usability or technical issues that you fell need to be addressed, please do not hesitate contacting us on the mailing lists or file a support tracker item. We are always trying to listen to our community, yet we are not able to moitor every discussion source out on the internet. So please bring any issues you might have to our attention at fink.sf.net
Thank you.
Once more a rather tiring answer. Installing to /usr/local is NOT safe. Simply because some installers that distribute Mac oS X ported UNIX applications sometimes install their support libraries into /usr/local. Tghis would inadvertedly overwrite whatever you have installed by something like Fink. Furthermore /usr/local is in the stanard search path of GCC and you cannot override that. So you might end up getting library/header mixups and conflicts. /opt might be a nice choice, but when Fink started it was not availaible and there is _NO_ sane reason not to install into /sw. Furtermore you can install Fink where _YOU_ like, the prefix is adjustable, and you would have noticed that by reading the documentation :)
To all of those who have had a Cisco Tech in their deparment because some appliance showed wierd behaviour it shouzld be nothing new that there seem to be a lot of hidden features in IOS. The many times they have hacked some "magic code" into the device and then restored data which should have never been there in the first place does seem to suggest there is more to IOS than meets the human eyes. In my particular case there even seems to be a very special debug and diagnostic mode nowhere mentioned. The VPN Concentrator we used could only be "fixed" using that mode to determine the failure. While that does not seem to be as much of an issue as a hidden user/password it does make you think what can happen when user/password + debug mode are used to crawl around the innards of your devices...
This issue has been addressed and the base files package has been updated. Ny running fink selfupdate or fink selfupdate-cvs you should get a new revision.
It is actually a bug in zsh, since it seems to spawn and internal process to do some globs and that leads to a wrongly escaped string asfaiu
Fink is working very closely together with the Opendarwin project. However each project hasi its inherent problems and advantages and many Mac os X user need or want open source software support. The Fink Project provides this kind of support. I would appreciate it, if you put more effort into gathering information before you go about shouting and yelling. If you still feel that we should put different kind of efforts into other projects or share more of our own work then you are free to dicsuss this with all of us on our fink-devel mailing list. You are very welcome to join.
And just so you can rest assured. I do not only have Macs at home, apart from Risc machines and some rather espteric hardware, i am also urring PC's with a vast variety of Operating systems.
I hate to prove you wrong.
Taurin is the synthetically produced counterpart to the naturally occuring Taurine. Natural substances cannot be reproduced, thus you would have to slay a human, suck the Taurine out and put it into a drink. Taurine is the equivalent produced by synthetic means.
Red Bulls Website simply explains the natural Taurine.
There is no distinct difference between synthetically produced and natural substances in most cases.
I hate to prove you wrong.
Taurin is the synthetically produced counterpart to the naturally occuring Taurine. Natural substances cannot be reproduced, thus you would have to slay a human, suck the Taurine out and put it into a drink. Taurine is the equivalent produced by synthetic means.
Red BUlls Website simply explains the natural Taurine. No one ever said it was _no amino_ acid, re read my comment
As a reader from the country in which Red Bull was invented I would like to toffer some background information.
The main "active" ingredient of Red Bull is Taurin.
Taurin is a drug, about 30 times stronger than caffeine together with a combination of Vitamines it is able to fill you body with new "Energy", whereas the Taurin actually only is a helper substance to quicker spread the active ingredients of the Vitamines and aid in the production of sugar. Originally Taurin has been found as an effective drug for encephalitic syndrome, cataract and glaucoma. It is also useful as a neuro-modulator and neuro-inhibitor of the central nervous system. As such it could be effectively used as an anti-convulsion drug.
However, if you consume too much of The substance you will get the opposit of the desired effect, being such a strong stimulator it can stimulate the body to fall into a shock like state. Thus heart racing appears, rapid breath, swetaing and simialr symptoms whihc _can_ lead up to death.
Taurin levels in red Bull are limited to the countries maximum allowed amount, which is limited in the country itself where Red Bull is manufactured. For example in Germany the original recepee may not be sold, it would fall under the narcotics law in germany.
Many people also do not head the warning printed onto the cans, which explicitly states, that you should _not_ ever mix red bull with alcohol, due to the fact, that youw ould be mixing a strong stimulating neuro drug with it as well.
Mixing the two can cause bad damage to the liver, due to some reaction between the active ingredients of the Taurin or better its Glycin Bile acids with the alcohol.
I do not work for Red Bull, nor do I wish to promote their product, but since it has been sold here in austria no issues with it have been reported by the media and when you are consuming a drink, which explicitly states, thaty ou should consume it in a sane way and you do not heed the warning, then something is wrong with you in the first place.
I just wanted to correct a few things. First of all, Adobe does not own a trademark for the word "Illustrator" in the Federal Repulic of Germany, since that is not possible by current law standards. The do own the full trademark for the application named "Adobe Illustrator". The word Illustrator has been granted as an enhanced and supplimentary trademark in the United States to the comapny Adobe, AFTER KDE had come into existance. Since Killustrator is a part of KDE it is bound to its licenses and therefore aparts, which are trademarked under KDE and derrived for Killustrator are protected. Of course Adobe has a an interest in protectin gtheir marketing, but as i have stated above, they lack a very important basis for any "Einstweilige Verfügungen" or "Abmahnungen". "Abmahnungen" which concern trademark violations are the sole right of the trademark owner, you can re read that in section 14 of the MarkenG. Other, considered unfair competitive practices, can be handled by a wider range of organizations see section 13 (2) UWG. This basically means, that Adobe can only claim copyright or trademark infringement on the registered trademark, which is "Adobe Illustrator" not "Illustrator" and much less "Killustrator". The law firm, which has been surely asked to act in the "best sense of the Adobe corperations" surely seemed to overlook that. In German law it is sometimes a rather "criminal" practice to target small companies or individuals, sending them an "Abmahnung" with ahuge amount of money, scaring them enough, to do as bid by those who sent the note.
Dear Josip.
First of all I would like to ask you, if you would be kindly enough to prove, that you are actually a debian developer. I am sure, someone with your knowledge has a slashdot accoutn and does not need to post anonymously.
Furthermore I would like to ask you, if you understood the concept of open source completely. It also is a way for some, that express a certain affinity to a particular topic, to express themselves. The so called script kiddie, I happen to knwo personally takes a lot of his personal interest into this project.
He does this, becuase he wishes to provide a plattform for other, which might be interested in debian as well. No one in sperfect and he might make some mistakes, which could be easily corrected if you went to him, now thaty ouknwo where he can found, and helped him to improve instead of frustrating him by posting such a comment on a widely used webpage.
Do you want to have support from the userbase for the distribution you are working for, or do you want to angeer them. I am sure that you could have made a smarter approach to this, I wonder why you see a need to diminish his product. Maybe it is not bad, but good and it scares you that somone is able to provide such a plattform for debain users?
I am not sure why you would choose to mark yourself as a complete asshole in some readers eyes instead of going to rob and asking him to improve on his work.
In spain they have a saying, roughly translated it reads:
Everyone should first sweep inf ront of his own door, there's enough dirt to be cleaned.
Have you swept in front of your door lately?
-----
please excuse the typoes.
Please disregard that post, ther has been an internal missunderstadning. The official channel for this project is #content The above channel is for an entirely different project. dmalloc
Thank you for asking more questions. Some might have simply walked away or left a stupid comment.
Since we have not really released a specification sheet, I can only outline the basic idea behind this project
As you surely know, all those open source related sites, such as linux.com, sourceforge.com and newsforge.com along with slashdot, are doing a great job gathering and displaying quick news.
We believe they are doing a great job in that area, yet we are missing a site where the news is project and which is more important very close to the users that are involved with it.
OPN is a large IRC network (more than 2200 user) which primarily hosts channels for projects such as #php, #debian #linuxhelp, #c , #c++ and the like.
Naturally we have a lot of visitors fromt he open source community and many choose to meert with their co developers for a project on our network.
We are interested in displaying quality content, fromt he people, for the people, we are not interested to always have the latest news.
linux.com and
We also wish to avoid branding, as long as the news is somehow associated with the open source community and we can reach someone that is in charge of those news (be it a user or a project maintainer or a developer) we are intereste din displaying it.
Basically that means the same rights to everybody, no matter wheter this is a huge project like #php or a very small one. NO matter if it is mainly based on BSD, Solaris or linux.
I think it is important to understand, that we ar enot trying to copy nor be a competition to the big news site.
We do nto have any interest in generating a fast revenue, we simply wish to build a news interface to the community,
which has actually been developed and is maintained by the community.
That is why we do nto have any paid staff, ourt staff will be made up from volunteers, everybody is free to sign up as a volunteer at this form.
We are also open for discussion as to how this site should be developed and what features should be included, that is why we introduced the mailing list.
Commonly a site is developed and then presented to the users, after a big team of analysts has skimmed the market indirectly for their wishes.
We wish to be active and not passive by asking you before the site is developed, so you may help its development along.
Hopefully that lcears up a bit of the confusion you were left with.
Please do not hesitate to visit me online if you have further questions.
dmalloc();
ps excuse the many typoes, my phone is ringing like crazy but I wish to keep up to date on comments.
again... I apologize...it was me who posted that ;)
you can see I am a slashdot newby.. again I posted the above article, so here the repost with my password Hello ;)
I just wanted to answer a few points quickly, since our specifications have not been released yet.
This will be more of a news site interfacing witht he community, rather than a community site itself.
Right now we have no plans of tracking other sites, yet we wish to provide all the necessary information, or better all the information the community truely wishes to read
about
WE will be mainly built to provide news about any open source projects.
We will employ static authors (voluntary staff) and occasional submissions from project.
Important to knowe is, that we will NOT be branding the site, that means we are not going to focus on linux or BSD or NetBSD or Solaris. The site is for the open source
community and many of the things that are developed there happen to run on many different OS.
dmalloc
oops ;) yes it was me who posted the above :) sorry
Thank you for pointing this out.
We will aim to please the common admin by developing an easy to setup interface as well.
Even though the development should be kept as open source, we do not believe, that our code will be copied directly.
We will try to provide the community with all the necessary tools to "reprint" the content that will, hopefully, offered to us by the open source community.
defining a standard is always a thing only the people involved can do, which would be you as well.
s So please help us out and spread the word, join the list. Thank you
dmalloc
I woudl like to thank you for your generous offer.
We have not decided how we will host the pages.
Most likely we will have to look for a co-location, since we believe, that the machine which runs thesepages,
shoudl be tailored to their needs.
If you are interested in helping out, you might wish to stay in contact with me none the less.
If you allow me I will kee you in my list as one of our possible mirrors once the site goes live.
Even thought he net is a wonderfull place, one can never have enough mirrors to bounce their content off tot he user.
dmalloc
I really appreciate your comment.
Yes, I could use a few assisstants. This prijects prooves itself to be rather interesting to many.
Hopefully I will be able to pick a few of the mailing list.
I also appreciate your comments about being on track.
To me it is important, that the users also control me and the OPN structures behind this project.
Everyone is free to discuss our ideas and hopefully, we , as the organisators will be able to read a consensus fromw hat is offered to us.
so help us out, we do not bite, we rely on your wisdom as well as ours.
dmalloc
Hello. This is indeed a very interesting idea, please make sure you sign up to our mailing list and promote it there.
Just for your information, we are already promoting such a format in a very limited way.
OUr specification, for now, reads, that content and layout engine are completely seperated.
This means we will be able to provide a whole lot of different formats from one content source.
Hopefully that will also help in providing content to remote sites.
dmalloc