The only problem I have with that approach is that you have to cycle thru all of them just to figure out which is which. It seems with the tabs, the page title is kept somewhat more visible.
Yes, I know this subject has been beaten into the ground ad-infinitum, but it still needs to be said once again: DUMP THE PROPRIETARY HARDWARE.
Actually, I would consider the proprietary hardware to be one of their advantages.
Having a standard platform to work with may be why Apple's work is so impressive. With like hardware across the field to work with, OS X software developers don't have to worry about hardware driver interaction issues nearly as much as on a x86 platform.
It's also an obvious advantage in stability areas, where Windows is so completely flawed...since it has to be compatible with such a wide range of hardware.
As much as I'd love to see OS X for x86, I don't it will ever happen. Apple likes having complete control over their products so they can produce the best products. With a few exceptions, Apple arguably releases the highest quality and designed products in the computer industry, and I think that's a real advantage for them.
I agree with ya... They should have given the early adopters of 10 - 10.1 a price break.
I've heard somewhere that Apple is relaxing the licensing restriction in certain cases, where you may install one copy on up to 5 Macs. I can't remember where I saw it at, or the restrictions...but I guess that makes it somewhat more bearable...even if we all did that anyway:)
Intel Celeron 300A @ 450 256M PC133 SDRAM (originally had 64M, upgraded to 256 when it dropped to $50)
Runs Win XP Pro just fine Runs IE fine Runs Word fine Runs most games fine (Matrox G200; later got a G400 for $100)
BUT, it probably doesn't run as well as it ran...let's say, Windows 95.
Mac have a much longer service life than a PC. A 10-year old PC can barely get on the Internet and run Windows 95. However, with more memory...and 10 year old Mac could do that just fine.
This argument is not unfair, it is incorrect. I was using the same PC for three years without any trouble. The secret? I didn't upgrade to the latest greatest version of every software package.
Incorrect, no. You've been using the same PC for three years, but keeping the OS up to date, like Mac OS 7-9 has, I'm sure Windows XP isn't running quite as fast as 98 was. And her PowerMac is 7 years old.
If you want to play games, you have to upgrade a mac just as often. For business apps, you don't have to upgrade the mac OR the PC very often at all. And if you do have to upgrade the PC, you can upgrade it in pieces. You cannot upgrade a mac in this way beyond a certain point. Sure, you could get PPC accelerators for some of the 68k macs, but not all of them, and they didn't all work very well, and in some cases it was actually cheaper to just buy a whole. new. mac.
Not necessarily true. After having my PC seven years, the only original component is the keyboard--after buying "pieces" like you stated. I've essentially bought a whole new computer--but spread it out. over. time.
WTF?? What kind of eye-candy crap are you running?
Yes, it is. For someone running Gentoo Linux, waiting 24 hours for KDE to compile on a P-II 300 doesn't make sense.
An additional fact that should come into play: you do NOT have to buy 'the latest greatest P4' machine that Intel pushes to get more than adequate performance. As a rule I ALWAYS buy systems below the 'bleeding edge' curve. I bought a PIII-450 back when the 550s cost twice as much. I bought a PIII-850 when the 1000 machines came out. With Apple, you're single-sourced. Where do you buy a processor upgrade, except from the same bloodsuckers who charged $300+ for a cooling fan to plug into the Mac Plus back in the day?
Absolutely! But, my point is that with a Mac, you generally don't have to buy new stuff as often -- making the "higher" price argument invalid.
Not sure if this was directed my comment or the parent, but we agree on the point that both are inferior.
I will comment however, that it seems a PPC processer handles x86 emulation smoother than the reverse. My old G3-500 iMac ran Windows 2000 well--not great--but well. On the other hand, using Mac-On-Linux hardly performed the same on my old Athlon 700.
Granted this could be because infinite reasons (better emulation code, etc.) but it seems that PPC--having the more effecient design of the two would do this better, unsurprisingly.
My fiance's PowerMac G3 that she purchased in the mid 90's for $2500 is still usable for everyday things (with the exception of high-end games).
My PC which I bought at approximately the same time for less is almost useless now (P-II), and I've needed to buy enough PC parts to "keep up".
The way I do the math, the Mac was actually the better buy. I've easily spent more money keeping PC's up to date with usable hardware, while my fiance's Mac--though outdated now--can still do everything that she needs it to do.
This argument could be considered unfair in a few ways, but I think that with the Intel/Microsoft marketing engine whirring away (Buy a P4! Now!) its valid enough to make a point.
The whole PC v. Mac debate has been going on forever. It will never be concluded.
I have to say though, I am a Mac user I enjoy using it quite a bit (there, I admitted my bias;)
I've made an observation that I think may be relevant since I bought my mac.
I use my Linux PC when I want to tinker. I've noticed that most PC users I know enjoy "messing" with the computer almost as much as doing things with it. Sort of like that old car in the driveway.
I use my Mac when I just want to do something, and don't want to tinker. Writing a letter, ripping MP3's, burning CDs, surfing the web, etc.
I've also noticed that ultra-busy people with little free time also seem to enjoy using Macs. Not all of the ultra-busy people I know have them, but those that have tried them enjoy them immensely.
I think the argument here of which is "better" really is pointless...it's just a different type of machine geared for a different type of person. Not necessarily smarter or dumber. If you don't want to tinker, and you don't have a lot of time--I'd have to say that most people would want a machine that just works and doesn't make a fuss (which the opposite could be true of Linux or Windows).
In summary though, I think people who use desktop computers long enough may come full-circle. Generally, beginners would want a Mac because its easy to learn, and doesn't mess things up as often as a PC. Intermediately, PC is are more appealing because on the surface, it seems it can do more.
But after a long time of using computers, I can personally argue that the simpliest way is usually the better way and I'm back to using a Mac once again. The software argument that a PC has more software is only really true of games. There's a Mac equivalent for almost any PC application out there. I'm not a big gamer, and those which I do play are available on the Mac (which right now is WarCraft III).
Figure that a Mac can run Unix, Windows, and native Mac programs...quite a feat since to run x86 stuff it needs to emulate the processor real-time, and it does without a sweat.
The point he was trying to make is that the Mac has the *capability* to do so, but not that you necessarily have to.
But I think the problem of being unable to read certain formats is minimal. For example, i'm in the process of converting a lot of my old VCR tapes over to DVD.
It's just a matter of maintenance. Really the only time you'd have an issue is if someone lost it, and it wasn't found for 100 years.
I've done pretty much all of my converting to digial format, and as long as you have a permanent archive (burn them to CD-R), I'm not worried about "losing" them.
I've messed with a bunch of web-based photo albums, but the best software I've found to date is "Gallery" (http://gallery.sourceforge.net).
It's very simple to set up and use, and does most of the work for you. Best part, the source it GPL'd
If you like, you can see my set up here: http://www.briandowney.net/gallery
Gentoo is the penultimate Linux distro in my opinion. I've installed it on every machine in my house, and on a CVS server at work.
Quite possibly the best feature is the ability to update critical packages with a single command. When the latest OpenSSH hole was discovered, the Gentoo developers had a new ebuild package up on their rsync mirrors within a few hours . All it took on my Gentoo boxes was a simple:
emerge -u openssh
And it was done. My collegues on their HP-UX boxes were spending their day looking for patches from HP's site while I was back relaxing a reading/.:)
But Time Warner cable in my area offers a "commercial" version of their cable package for only $10 more a month (a bit more if you want a static IP). The bandwidth is locked (approximately at what you get at the 'capped' residential version) and they don't care what you do with the bandwidth.
I'm using mine to do my own email, host a few websites for myself and friends, etc.
When I signed up, I made it perfectly clear what my intentions were...as it stated in the contract, I "own" the bandwidth and all "liability" is then passed off to me (which is good)...
I have to disagree. Mine looks the same as the day I pulled it out of the box. As long as you dust it off periodically like you would anything on your desk it'll look fine for years.
Hell, they give you a dusting cloth *with* it.
I'm actually kind of glad they're getting away from the clear-plastic look...it's starting to get dated. I guess I'm over the "oooh shiny!" stage.
I'm in the midst of running a Linux consulting service company in the Detroit area that focuses on schools and now to "de-Microsoft" them.
Many of the schools I've talked to love the idea of using a free & open operating system in their classes, but the thought of moving over to Linux "just becuase" is hard to sell.
Articles like these are the ammunition I need to show these schools the "light" and have them migrate over. If anyone has any articles like this one (involving schools) or good reference contacts I could use, please let me know! (see website for email addr.) I've done the Googling and found some good stuff, but it's always nice to get the word out.
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Hmm.. I suppose that makes sense.
The only problem I have with that approach is that you have to cycle thru all of them just to figure out which is which. It seems with the tabs, the page title is kept somewhat more visible.
Actually, I would consider the proprietary hardware to be one of their advantages.
Having a standard platform to work with may be why Apple's work is so impressive. With like hardware across the field to work with, OS X software developers don't have to worry about hardware driver interaction issues nearly as much as on a x86 platform.
It's also an obvious advantage in stability areas, where Windows is so completely flawed...since it has to be compatible with such a wide range of hardware.
As much as I'd love to see OS X for x86, I don't it will ever happen. Apple likes having complete control over their products so they can produce the best products. With a few exceptions, Apple arguably releases the highest quality and designed products in the computer industry, and I think that's a real advantage for them.
I agree with ya... They should have given the early adopters of 10 - 10.1 a price break.
:)
I've heard somewhere that Apple is relaxing the licensing restriction in certain cases, where you may install one copy on up to 5 Macs. I can't remember where I saw it at, or the restrictions...but I guess that makes it somewhat more bearable...even if we all did that anyway
CmdrTaco doesn't like tabbed browsing?
I'm truly curious...what's there not to like about it?
Less windows, less clutter, quick access... I'm addicted to it, at least.
BULLSHIT:
Intel Celeron 300A @ 450
256M PC133 SDRAM (originally had 64M, upgraded to 256 when it dropped to $50)
Runs Win XP Pro just fine
Runs IE fine
Runs Word fine
Runs most games fine (Matrox G200; later got a G400 for $100)
BUT, it probably doesn't run as well as it ran...let's say, Windows 95.
Mac have a much longer service life than a PC. A 10-year old PC can barely get on the Internet and run Windows 95. However, with more memory...and 10 year old Mac could do that just fine.
This argument is not unfair, it is incorrect. I was using the same PC for three years without any trouble. The secret? I didn't upgrade to the latest greatest version of every software package.
Incorrect, no. You've been using the same PC for three years, but keeping the OS up to date, like Mac OS 7-9 has, I'm sure Windows XP isn't running quite as fast as 98 was. And her PowerMac is 7 years old.
If you want to play games, you have to upgrade a mac just as often. For business apps, you don't have to upgrade the mac OR the PC very often at all. And if you do have to upgrade the PC, you can upgrade it in pieces. You cannot upgrade a mac in this way beyond a certain point. Sure, you could get PPC accelerators for some of the 68k macs, but not all of them, and they didn't all work very well, and in some cases it was actually cheaper to just buy a whole. new. mac.
Not necessarily true. After having my PC seven years, the only original component is the keyboard--after buying "pieces" like you stated. I've essentially bought a whole new computer--but spread it out. over. time.
A Pentium II is almost useless now?
WTF?? What kind of eye-candy crap are you running?
Yes, it is. For someone running Gentoo Linux, waiting 24 hours for KDE to compile on a P-II 300 doesn't make sense.
An additional fact that should come into play: you do NOT have to buy 'the latest greatest P4' machine that Intel pushes to get more than adequate performance. As a rule I ALWAYS buy systems below the 'bleeding edge' curve. I bought a PIII-450 back when the 550s cost twice as much. I bought a PIII-850 when the 1000 machines came out. With Apple, you're single-sourced. Where do you buy a processor upgrade, except from the same bloodsuckers who charged $300+ for a cooling fan to plug into the Mac Plus back in the day?
Absolutely! But, my point is that with a Mac, you generally don't have to buy new stuff as often -- making the "higher" price argument invalid.
Not sure if this was directed my comment or the parent, but we agree on the point that both are inferior.
I will comment however, that it seems a PPC processer handles x86 emulation smoother than the reverse. My old G3-500 iMac ran Windows 2000 well--not great--but well. On the other hand, using Mac-On-Linux hardly performed the same on my old Athlon 700.
Granted this could be because infinite reasons (better emulation code, etc.) but it seems that PPC--having the more effecient design of the two would do this better, unsurprisingly.
Agreed.
My fiance's PowerMac G3 that she purchased in the mid 90's for $2500 is still usable for everyday things (with the exception of high-end games).
My PC which I bought at approximately the same time for less is almost useless now (P-II), and I've needed to buy enough PC parts to "keep up".
The way I do the math, the Mac was actually the better buy. I've easily spent more money keeping PC's up to date with usable hardware, while my fiance's Mac--though outdated now--can still do everything that she needs it to do.
This argument could be considered unfair in a few ways, but I think that with the Intel/Microsoft marketing engine whirring away (Buy a P4! Now!) its valid enough to make a point.
I don't consider myself elitest at all. I have a Mac and a PC on the same desk.
...as a closing thought...don't you consider most Linux hackers "elitest" as well?
Performing a survey and observing the results mathmatically cannot be considered "generalizing".
Issuing a statement with no researched information can.
What about people who are both computer-savvy and a Mac user? Like me?
If you must make stereotypes, make sure you don't make them globally applicable.
I have to say though, I am a Mac user I enjoy using it quite a bit (there, I admitted my bias
I've made an observation that I think may be relevant since I bought my mac.
- I use my Linux PC when I want to tinker. I've noticed that most PC users I know enjoy "messing" with the computer almost as much as doing things with it. Sort of like that old car in the driveway.
- I use my Mac when I just want to do something, and don't want to tinker. Writing a letter, ripping MP3's, burning CDs, surfing the web, etc.
I've also noticed that ultra-busy people with little free time also seem to enjoy using Macs. Not all of the ultra-busy people I know have them, but those that have tried them enjoy them immensely.I think the argument here of which is "better" really is pointless...it's just a different type of machine geared for a different type of person. Not necessarily smarter or dumber. If you don't want to tinker, and you don't have a lot of time--I'd have to say that most people would want a machine that just works and doesn't make a fuss (which the opposite could be true of Linux or Windows).
In summary though, I think people who use desktop computers long enough may come full-circle. Generally, beginners would want a Mac because its easy to learn, and doesn't mess things up as often as a PC. Intermediately, PC is are more appealing because on the surface, it seems it can do more.
But after a long time of using computers, I can personally argue that the simpliest way is usually the better way and I'm back to using a Mac once again. The software argument that a PC has more software is only really true of games. There's a Mac equivalent for almost any PC application out there. I'm not a big gamer, and those which I do play are available on the Mac (which right now is WarCraft III).
Why is that funny?
Figure that a Mac can run Unix, Windows, and native Mac programs...quite a feat since to run x86 stuff it needs to emulate the processor real-time, and it does without a sweat.
The point he was trying to make is that the Mac has the *capability* to do so, but not that you necessarily have to.
the Mac users I know all develop websites and make 80K+ a year...hmm.
What?! You haven't had to reload it yet?? :)
Good point..
But I think the problem of being unable to read certain formats is minimal. For example, i'm in the process of converting a lot of my old VCR tapes over to DVD.
It's just a matter of maintenance. Really the only time you'd have an issue is if someone lost it, and it wasn't found for 100 years.
I've done pretty much all of my converting to digial format, and as long as you have a permanent archive (burn them to CD-R), I'm not worried about "losing" them.
I've messed with a bunch of web-based photo albums, but the best software I've found to date is "Gallery" (http://gallery.sourceforge.net).
It's very simple to set up and use, and does most of the work for you. Best part, the source it GPL'd
If you like, you can see my set up here:
http://www.briandowney.net/gallery
Quite possibly the best feature is the ability to update critical packages with a single command. When the latest OpenSSH hole was discovered, the Gentoo developers had a new ebuild package up on their rsync mirrors within a few hours . All it took on my Gentoo boxes was a simple:And it was done. My collegues on their HP-UX boxes were spending their day looking for patches from HP's site while I was back relaxing a reading
I know this isn't an option for everyone...
But Time Warner cable in my area offers a "commercial" version of their cable package for only $10 more a month (a bit more if you want a static IP). The bandwidth is locked (approximately at what you get at the 'capped' residential version) and they don't care what you do with the bandwidth.
I'm using mine to do my own email, host a few websites for myself and friends, etc.
When I signed up, I made it perfectly clear what my intentions were...as it stated in the contract, I "own" the bandwidth and all "liability" is then passed off to me (which is good)...
It's an option.
Computers don't have to look like anything... my first peecee didn't even have a case.
On the other hand, I have both my beige box and my iMac on my desk in my office.
Difference is, unless I want people to think I'm *completely* redneck, I keep the peecee under the desk, and the iMac ON the desk.
I think that's the difference.
Having a bad day?
I have to disagree. Mine looks the same as the day I pulled it out of the box. As long as you dust it off periodically like you would anything on your desk it'll look fine for years.
Hell, they give you a dusting cloth *with* it.
I'm actually kind of glad they're getting away from the clear-plastic look...it's starting to get dated. I guess I'm over the "oooh shiny!" stage.
Gentoo Linux my friends...less is more!
With that hot-ass food, you need them in every 7-11!
"Man", I thought, "this is gonna be cool!"
So, I hurried and clicked on the link...
...and all I saw was snow.
Oh well.
I'm in the midst of running a Linux consulting service company in the Detroit area that focuses on schools and now to "de-Microsoft" them.
Many of the schools I've talked to love the idea of using a free & open operating system in their classes, but the thought of moving over to Linux "just becuase" is hard to sell.
Articles like these are the ammunition I need to show these schools the "light" and have them migrate over. If anyone has any articles like this one (involving schools) or good reference contacts I could use, please let me know! (see website for email addr.) I've done the Googling and found some good stuff, but it's always nice to get the word out.