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KDE 3.1 Beta Released
shadow303 writes "KDE 3.1 beta has been released. There are numerous improvements, including tabbed browsing with Konqueror." I still can't say I care for tabbed browsing, but a lot of people swear by it. The new
style/theme looks quite excellent, as do the various improved dialog boxes.
Does anyone know where to download the old (free) kdestudio?
Gnome is only 2.0 so I guess KDE is better right?
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Another beta is out... Hurry, everyone, new beta, new beta, new beta...
BTW... Haven't heard in a while, what Kernel version is Linux up to...
Because nerds need to know every point!
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Read my sig if you like, but I'll never see yours, thanks to Discussions, Viewing, Disable sigs...
I just finished installing 3.03 with gentoo! Took all night and I have to start all over :)
so what's tabbed browsing?
One has to wonder if it is decent or even moral to use KDE these days. Since the 11th of September, we as Americans have had an opportunity to examine ourselves and our core values, and the question must be asked: does KDE fit into these core values, and is it something that ought to be a part of our day-to-day lives as we come to grips with the new reality that has been thrust upon us?
One thing must be understood: KDE is virtually 100% foreign technology. The foundation of KDE is the Qt toolkit, a set of GUI widgets developed by TrollTech, a Norwegian company. Norway, like the rest of Scandanavia and Europe in general, is an extremely socialist country. Socialism is something that Americans decided long ago would not be allowed in our nation, and yet millions of Linux users are downloading it without so much as a second thought. Beyond that, Norway's liberal immigration laws have allowed all sorts of unsavory characters into their nation... including the Muslims with which we are currently at war.
The rest of the KDE intrinsics are developed by primarily European agitators, folks who would not bat an eyelash at knocking down the capitalist foundation upon which our nation has been built. Bashing Microsoft is a popular sport in this forum, but the truth must be told: MSFT is an American company that employs American citizens with American families. Joke all you want about Microsoft employees, but they need to eat just like the rest of us do. For the life of me, I cannot understand why one would eschew Microsoft products in favor of things such as KDE.
Now, MSFT products are not perfect, but the last time I checked, neither was KDE! So in a very real sense, we are talking about choosing the lesser of two evils, and in this case the choice could not be clearer (at least, in the opinion of this patriot.) Using KDE doesn't help this country one bit, but purchasing dutifully from Microsoft helps to ensure our economic vitality (and, by extension, our nation, our military, and our way of life.)
I doubt that Osama bin Laden owns a PC, but if he did, he'd probably be running KDE. Does this make you comfortable? It shouldn't.
Once an avid IE user (I've hated netscape since I think it was called "gold" edition), I tried Mozilla due to its Tabbed Browsing, which for anyone who DOESNT know (I didnt until I used it) is that you can open links in the same window, but they are in different tabs, like a notebook is divided into sections using... wait for it... tabs. this means that when you're flipping between multiple pages, you dont have to have umpteen windows open. Now, this has nothing to do with KDE 3.1 or whatever, but tabbed browsing is wonderful, and those of you who havent used it, should try out Mozilla.
and I am a staunch (ducks) Windows (covers head) XP professional user, so its not like I switched because of a hatred for M$ (note, I play lots of games, so Windows works better for me)
This is my sig. Its pathetic.
how could you not like it? Instead of having to open 5 different windows of Mozilla I have just one and easy access to each (I use E and don't have the option of a taskbar or icons).
;)
I can have Slashdot open, my banking open, and porn (three different ones usually).
Also probably conserves on my short memory usage
Or is KDE still using objprelink?
the answer to both of your questions is YES
I've only used Linux via the GUI for a few months (ya, ya I know...)... but why is there KDE and Gnome? Why are the two not one. The only differences I see between the two are skins, very minor UI functionality, and some utils that are unique to either or. But why can't KDE and Gnome be merged, and allow the end user to customize everything the way they want? And use the utilities they want. I like KDE's appearence, but I hate it's 'feel' when actually doing tasks.
What is so fundamentally different between Gnome and KDE that doesn't allow them to be merged into one project? IMHO that's all that is required to finally get a solid Desktop presence for linux.
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The site provides RPMs for Suse, they can be downloaded from
. 1-beta1/SuSE/i386/8.0/
:-(.
http://download.at.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3
However, when I check the RPMs I get
error: failed dependencies:
libkviewsupport.so.0 is needed by kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0
Any ideas where kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0 can be found, rpmfind didn't turn up anything useful. I am using SuSE 8 with a full install of KDE3.03, but this has been updated many times since its initial install as SuSE 7.0.
I did get some components working. The panel is much improved, and support for dual head displays looks much better (the panel can now be configured on a per display basis). However, I couln't convince Konq to display any web page, in tabs or otherwise
the link in the story is mistakenly going to Apple's website
i mean, only Apple users would want to slow down their system with drop shadows, lickable buttons, translucent drop-down menus? I just want to get work done.
guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
Sorry, that should have read, any idea where libkviewsupport.so.0 can be found, kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0 is the base package.
Kate has been a god send 'round here - Programmers who are just starting out the *NIX way need a editor that behaves kinda-like Windows notepad or other Windows IDE editors, but has cool features, and Kate fits the bill. The code folding works well and the whole package is just a joy to use.
Eventually they all should move to Emacs or VI for better productivity, but for the small, insignificant, time it takes to learn Kate, it's suprisingly productive.
Perhaps Kate will evolve to add the features of Emace, but I hope those features are 'hidden' and don't destroy the easy to learn interface of the curent Kate.
Bit-o-somthing: All out instances of Kate run on one BSD box and are viewed on Windows destops via VNC. It's the same soluton that we use for our clients that want to keep their Windows but use out *NIX apps that we make for them. It makes us both happy; they get to keep Windows Solitare and viruses, and out app is safly running on a real operating system.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
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what's next Mandrake 9.0 PR1? where does the insanity end. I just installed MDK 9.0 beta 1 and they have beta 3 on the servers now. KDE 3.1 ? I haven't tested the vs. 3.0x yet !!! gota go out (arrg the sun is bad for my CRT burnt skin) and get me some more cdrs. Thank gawd they are cheep. But seriously why do we need newer and newer versions of the same software every 2, 3 months? Can't they just provide seervice packs or something to upgrade the software?
no offense intended towards the KDE folks (you guys rawk), but... 2 KDE stories today, and no mention of Gnome 2.0.1 anywhere... this site is wack.
How does it work in KDE/Qt? There were a few screenshots that showed real-look transparency, in menus for example. Through the menu, you could see the windows below it and/or the desktop. Prior to this, with the exception of a hacked X server, the only transparency I've seen is the transparent-to-root-window like with an eterm or gnome-terminal.
Is whoever took this SS using a hacked X server, or does Qt now have it's own display sub system that does rendering for all Qt Windows, including let Qt applications share real a alpha channel with eachother?
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I use tabs a lot on sites like Slashdot -- especially once I figured out how to use 'em fast. By checking a couple of preferences in Mozilla, I can control-click (or right-click and select) any link and have it open in a new tab, behind my current web page.
Usually I scroll down the Slashdot home page, open up a few story links in new tabs without any other interruptions, and keep scrolling. When I'm done, I close that tab and all the stories I wanted to read are loaded and ready.
You can do the same with multiple windows, I suppose, but it's not as compact and the new browser windows usually load over the one you're currently on, not under it.
So I guess the binutils have not been fixed and the objprelink hack is needed.
That's too bad. The hack involves an extra jump instruction per function, which makes the code slower after it has been loaded.
Anyone know where to find KDE 3.1 beta RPMs?
I may be spoiled by Mac OS X (ok, ok, I KNOW I'm spoiled by Mac OS X), but I think KDE is still an ugly interface. What's up with that? They could make it purty,,,why don't they?
I'm hoping for some further advances in stability and speed. I'm sick of Konq segfaults from clicking back a few times.
None the less, KDE 3.1 looks sexy!
Ya Baby. Ya!
CmdrTaco doesn't like tabbed browsing?
I'm truly curious...what's there not to like about it?
Less windows, less clutter, quick access... I'm addicted to it, at least.
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I think that it's official now - anyone using KDE has to surrender the right to complain about Apple's naming of iApps. Kolf????? Hmm...
Screenshots are here. Enjoy.
We should start a pool-- how many months until KDE 3.0 is packaged for Debian? What version will the official KDE be on when that happens?
So seem I will have to sold my old GForce2 what the best for kde 3.1 ATI or Nvdia ???
I haven't rebooted it in over a month though, the matrix screen saver is Kool, and Kandalf isn't half as annoying as Clippy.
The objprelink change made it into binutils one year ago.0 8/msg0 0311.html
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2001-
Question - does this still do a jmp to a jmp for virtual functions?
Komunist Desktop Environment?
Bleeding eck mun! 90% through the download of 3.0 beta 1 and they tell me that theres a NEW beta! Oh well, time to stop the download and restart with the new beta :p At this rate, i'll not be able to upgrade from my KDE 1 beta 1. Damn 56k modems...
I may be spoiled by Mac OS X (ok, ok, I KNOW I'm spoiled by Mac OS X), but I think KDE is still an ugly interface. What's up with that? They could make it purty,,,why don't they?
Apple owns a patent on the "Attractive Eye Candy for the Computationally Illiterate" interface, while Microsoft owns a patent on the "Eternally Broken, Never Secure, but marginally easy to use for a few minutes before it crashes" interface.
Alas, that only leaves the "Relatively Spartant Trimmings, But Rock Solid Performance" interface available to free software developers, so that is what we are stuck with.
[/humor]
Seriously, though, KDE and Gnome both support themes, so in answer to your question
"They could make it purty,,,why don't they?"
the answer is "Why don't you?" No one knows your aesthetic preferences better than you, and you have all of the tools available to make it as purty, according to whatever those aesthetic preferences may be, as you wish. The KDE folks meanwhile will concentrate on what is important and aesthetic to them, but do not forget that they have thoughtfully made it possible for you to create your own theme, and make KDE as purty as you wish.
Ditto for Gnome, for that matter.
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Like Mozilla, Konq doesn't offer real MDI browsing -- it just lets you open multiple maximized windows inside one parent app.
The speed gain by using this kind of MDI, is almost nill, especially compared to Opera's elegant MDI mode.
Full-screen tabbed browsing is no tabbed browsing at all.
Furthermore, in Galeon you can:
It really, really hurts browsing with something else than Galeon now, I never should have installed it :)
BTW, anyone got a quick fix for getting non-ascii titles to display correctly?
does anyone working on KDE have an original thought of their own?
well done ;)
1. website X's story has a link to another website. I "right click-select: open in new tab". Now the two pages that are related are in the same client. This way, when I'm writing a reply I can cross-reference the linked story without having to worry about loosing what I'm writing by using the back/foward button.
Summary: it reduces desktop clutter by allowing me to keep similarly related pages in the same browser instance without requiring back/forward button usage (which causes webpages to forget what you inputed at times).
2. I'm reading an article that spans multiple pages and writing a summary (obviously easier to do if you have the entire article at your finger tips). Without tabbed browsing, I'd have to open multiple windows to avoid the back button which makes the damn flashy thingies reload everytime. If the article is 5 pages long, that makes for a lot of browser windows and a lot of annoying manual window management.
3. Some websites insist on opening new windows to show some piece of information. Personally, I find that "load in new tab" feature priceless for such sites (example: the previews on kde-look.org).
These examples all revolve around situations where multiple windows are annoying and slow me down. Tabbed browsing, is imho an essential evolution in the presentation of webpages-- I would find the web incredibly more annoying without them.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
One of the things I noticed in the screenshots of Konqueror was the way it handled downloads. Like most other browsers, the download comes up in a little dialogue box of its own.
However, the way I prefer is how Opera does it. I.e. it has a seperate tab for the downloads, and in that sub-window there is a list of all the downloads, showing progress and speed for each one.
When you're downloading multiple files, this is a godsend, as you can manage and monitor them all in one place, without little dialogue boxes everywhere.
I'd like to see Konqueror and perhaps Mozilla adopt such a system.
If you use the keyboard then the problem you describe is a snap -- use alt-tab to get to the mozilla window, then ctrl-pageup and ctrl-pagedn to move between tabs (Mozilla). Then it shouldn't matter that one is your WM and the other an application.
Anyway, I love tabbed browsing. Being able to group all of my "slashdot reading" in one window is excellent, especially since I have them load in the background and so they're all loaded by the time I get around to reading them! In fact, my brother is by no means a computer expert, and I switched him to Mozilla just by showing him tabs. It's not a small minority who like this feature, believe me...
The piece is meant to poke fun at our idiot administration and our idiot citizens who buy all the Bullshit washington can muster. You are a drone too. Go back and play some minesweeper.
how much ram does your kde require?
The Minimize shortcuts!
... they add up.
I open 30 applications at once, and am constantly switching. Usually, I only want one or two windows up at a time, and I'd like the rest minimized.
AFAIK, KDE is the only linux desktop environment that has a "show desktop" (minimize all) shortcut, as well as a minimize one window shortcut. I love those.
And that is the only reason I use kde instead of IceWM. Of course, other people have their important feature, but
I wish, though, that compiling kde was more like compiling the kernel - features could be removed and added. For instance, I don't really care about the file manager in KDE, and I'd do just as well without the space it takes.
In fact, if possible, I'd like to have just a panel and the shortcuts; I need no sound manager, no file manager, and no desktop manager. Wouldn't it be nice if such were possible?
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
Forget objprelink.
You really should use gcc 3.1 or 3.2. Together with the newer binutils you will gain dramatic (as in: it flies) performance increases.
By supplying -z combreloc as an extra argument to g++ the relocations are done (mostly) at link time, not when you start the application.
It's really awesome - the gcc guys did a great job. Some of my code runs 50% faster compiled with gcc 3.2 versus 2.95.
Some more info can be found here
Forgot to mention that the resulting binaries are a lot smaller too. Typically 2/3 the size of something compiled with gcc 2.95.
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I'm sorry, but tabs are a feature I always turn off. I mean, I'm not mad they're there, but I tried using them and didn't like them. The basic problem with tabs is that they force you to switch windows at two totally different places on your desktop.
Actually, tabbed browsing is completely logical, given the way the desktop and file manager theme is carried out on modern OS's.
Think about it...
Each tab in your window manager is associated with a running program. You click on Mozilla or Konq, and within that program are more tabs associated with multiple views of data for that program.
It's like expanding a folder in your file manager. Opening up a new window for each new page you want to view is akin to putting all your files in one huge directory. It just makes it harder to locate what you want as the number of files (windows) increases.
Tabbed browsing also decreases resource usage. Instead of having a new window open for each page, you have one window with multiple page views available. The resource usage is constrained to what is necessary to render the page, minimizing all the other widgets and menus normally needed for a complete window for each page.
The tabbed interface can be found in other similar programs, such as GUI text editors (www.ultraedit.com is one of my favorites on the Windows platform). I often have 20 files open at a time, and a dozen web pages. Between those two programs, I'd have 30+ windows open without the tabbed interface. No thanks!
Not to mention how nice tabbed browsing is for reading blogs and newspapers. I go through my favorites: slashdot, cnn, my local newspaper, news.com, etc (incidentally, I have one bookmark that opens up all these pages at once with a single click... thanks to tabbed browsing and the cool bookmarks available in mozilla). Each site I middle-click all the interesting links, stacking up other pages to peruse, without taking my immediate attention away from what I am scanning.
I'm sure eventually you will be able to move the tab row in mozilla/konq to the bottom of the screen, to be closer to where most people have their window manager programs running. It doesn't make much difference to me, as the rest of the menu, bookmarks, and url bar are all located right by the browser tabs. It'd make more sense to drag your window manager bar to the top of the screen, if your UI allows.
"And like that
I'm afraid I can't tell you precisely where your problem is but, it is definitely your configuration that is causing that delay. I have an old PII 300 with a super slow hard drive and KDE 3.0, 2.2 prior to that, Konsole opens in less than 2 seconds with both versions.
/etc/host.conf it should look like this:
/etc/hosts it should *at least* have this:
One very common linux misconfiguration that causes 30 second delays in everything you do is DNS. Most Linux tasks will perform a DNS lookup at some point or another, even Konsole verifies the local system name upon startup. Most people don't have their own DNS server with their hostname on it so, local configuration is important.
Look in the file
order hosts,bind
Then look in
127.0.0.1 yourservername localhost
If your system isn't configured in this way, you have likely found the problem with your application startup speed.
http://ftp.du.se/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.0.3/Debi an/
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
OK, I know that this was supposed to be satire.
Magnus.
You are missing the point. One of the design goals of the KDE desktop is to, out of the box, look and feel similar enough to Windows that Windows users (the most users on the planet) will be able to use it immediately and possibly win them over after they have had a chance to see how much more it can do. In order to meet this goal, the default configuration is intentionally setup to look and feel like Windows. In the case of KDE 3.1 the target is Windows XP. By default KDE 3.1 looks similar enough to Windows XP to not frighten of the typical Windows user. Furthermore, it is a matter of taste which is very subjective but, many people very much like the Windows XPish interface.
Regardless of your taste though, KDE's appearance is infinitely configurable. You can make it look like ANYTHING you want Windows 3.1, 95, 98, NT, 2000, XP, Mac OS8, OS X, Solaris CDE, Motif, or any of a few hundred cool and bizarre looks that you have never dreamed of. You can change the colors, fonts, icons, textures, backgrounds, whatever. Or if you don't want any hassle, you can simple download one or more of hundreds of themes that others have already compiled. You might be interested in Mosfet's Liquid which is an OS X mimic, though not so much to draw an Apple lawsuit.
To those just looking at the screenshots, please don't judge KDE on how terrible it looks in them. For whatever reason the default setup is gaudily ugly, but you can change it to look respectable quite easily. You can change the shiny widgets and icons (they make me puke almost as much as aqua), and change the ridiculously oversized window manager titlebar. KDE 3 is fantastic, don't let the default look get in your way.
just my 2 cents...
Tabbed browsing (galeon since i couldn't get alpha konqueror not to crash) and tabbed terminals (konsole) is why I finally switched to linux as desktop. Though i love linux, I much preferred to have windows as my desktop. But with proper key remappings (Alt-L and Alt-H to move between the tabs -- you need latest konsole for that remapping), this has been the best desktop setting I have ever had. Don't even have to move the thumb from the Alt key. No cluttering and much faster switching (having 5-6 browser windows and at least 3-4 terminals is a sure invitation to RSI).
AC.
Crasy Browser IS the choice wor windows:
:-) tabbed audiocd:/ a wonderfull feature :-)))
- IE engine
- Tabbed browsing
- popup filtering
- and more.
Fortunately, I'll find this on my konqueror
Your answer is wrong, objprelink is obsolete. See http://objprelink.sourceforge.net/.
And with additional "prelink" applied, it flies more. Do the Red Hat Betas ship with it?
ugh, KDE
Work on Kmail funded by German Government, not bad. I know the guy behind the aegypten project.
hmmm.
What does your gov do for oss revolution?
It so sad that so much public money i spend on -howtocreateanexcelsheet- education courses.
I still can't say I care for tabbed browsing, but a lot of people swear by it.
Browser tabs are like mouse wheels. They seem pointless at first, but then you get used to them and it's hard to go back. It's a subtle change, but consider how it affects the way you use the GUI: 1.) all web browsing is contained in a single window frame, thus making it easier to mentally seperate from other tasks, 2.) WM taskbars get shuffled, and make it easy to lose track of which windows belong to which applications. Browser tabs stay in the order that web pages were opened are spacially seperate. 3.) When doing heavy web browsing.. ie.) 10 windows open, it's much easier to have all controls at the top of the screen. instead of jumping around.
by reading your comment my conclusion has to be that you are completely nuts... It's been a long time since I last read worse bullshit!
I seriously hope you are not serious.
am i nuts or imagining things b/c i thot at some point soon KDE is gonna move away from using XWindows/XFree/whatever
does anyone know if this is true or should i start taking my medicine again? oh those damn voices are so duplicitous
No sig for you!!
I'm curious; what makes Opera's MDI mode better than Mozilla et all's tabbed browsing feature?
Oh, and by the way, is there a keyboard shortcut for changing tabs in mozilla?
He/She was molested by a taggedbrowser when he/she was a kid.
I am sure cmdrTaco is a he or a she.
Tat Tvam Asi
Where does it go now? It has virtually nothing left to learn from windows or osX. Maybe some minor usability issues, but from now on it's mostly undiscovered territory. A great opportunity for the project. Free software is a great way of tying things together and coming up with new ideas. kde needs to keep taking full advantage of other free software projects as it has in the past. Look at how it integrates seamlessly with ogg vorbis for example. How cool is it that you can pop in a cd and suddenly kde provides the tools for you to easily make full use of another great FS project? Teaming up like that is great.
Microsoft would like everyone to think they have the market on innovation cornered. They don't.
What's next for kde? My suggestion is a think-tank. We need a kde think tank to come up with brand new directions to take kde. New features. Things no one has thought of or implemented. How to take the destkop and make in more productive, less hostile, prettier. This is where I think the future of kde should be. Trying out ideas that are way out there and at the same time making the details perfect.
Kde is paused to become one of the killer apps of the future for linux. The framework is there. The libraries and IPC are there. Everything needed to make it on par with any other D.E. is there. Now let's blow everyone away. Let's give them something that will get people so excited they will migrate to linux because they have to have it.
If I may put in my $0.02, I would love more progress on the python bindings for qt and kde. The documentation out there is very poor, the bindings not the easiest to install and theres not much guidance for the less experienced. Python is an incredible language for developing apps FAST and easily. QT is a great toolkit and kde a great framework. If the documentation was up to par... I could see people suddenly getting very productive and creative with kde apps. I know this isn't a radical idea. I just think it would bring a great deal of creativity into the kde developer midst.
If morons like you start breeding... holy shit can people be stupid
Can I cut and paste between applications yet ?
I heared the re-enabled prelink in 3.0.3. In idea why, and does it also work in 3.1 beta 1?
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Ok, somebody's been spying on my brain...
The code folding feature of Kate is something I've been wishing for for a long time.
Does anyone know if gvim has this feature?
Eli
How many times has THIS happened: as soon as your fav distro has gone beta, a new version of KDE is released, guaranteed NOT to make the final release of that beta distro.
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May the SOURCE be with you.
...for me. I want to just open the darned browser! I don't want to think, "ok, i want this one on 3, this one on 2, where's that other? Oh yeah, it was on 4...no 3 is too crowded, let's to to 1...OK now i'm ready to start the friggin' app!" Desktops hide each running app in a certain desktop so you have to go searching for apps; what's the point, a less 'crunched' taskbar? If that's all you want, just expand it's size.
This is really cool. They are following very clear GUI Guidelines (see link above) and they have the Usability team checking that every application follows these guidelines. IMHO Usability (more than Features) is the only major missing link in the GNU/Linux desktop. I am really looking forward to KDE 3.1 ...
has anyone had any luck compling kmozilla (from kdebindings). I can never tell if it's mdk cooker's fault for failed compiles or simply some untested code.
Hard to tell what's beta and what's not with KDE....
Tab-browsing's a nice thing to have but mozilla has that already. Why do the KDE
folks put so much energy into Konqueror when mozilla is already very good and stable?
There are other parts of KDE that would benefit from some extra effort. Konqueror is
just not worth all the effort it's given.
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blah...
Faar too lazy to implement this myself, but
if anyone is asking... My wishlist:
Comprehensive, language neutral scripting would
be a great thing. There's pyKDE (for python)
but that is for writing KDE apps in python, not
programming existing apps. KSpread has it's
own language KOScript, but it is not used anywhere
else. It would be cool to have an over-arching
scripting interface.
GUI-less support: I want my
computer to log onto the net @ 4am, get
some data, and then work on it, and have
it ready for breakfast. So I make a cron
job to bring the Internet up with kppp, and
then use kio to get the file and do the
natural (according to the file associations
thing with it.) Thing is, I am not logged
in, so there isn't any environment running,
and no X. What about an alarm clock that
works when I'm not logged in.
It would be nice to not make people learn a w
hole other set of non-kde apps before they
can use the power of UNIX style boxes.
Oh, and I'd like one of the scripting
languages supported to be Visual basic.
Life is kind of boring without viruses.
Here's a list of all of them:
y /m ozkeylist.html
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/accessibilit
If your window titles mess up, check the config of your window manager. It is not galeon's fault.
Tabbed browsing, huh?
I remember the real one. In 1984. When everyone who owned a computer tried to convince me that owning a mouse was immoral. "Don't turn a computer into a stupid toy" they said.
I remember people who insisted that Pine was a horrible disfigurement of unix mail.
I remember people who thought Windows95 destroyed windows. "How slow!" they said.
If you don't like tabs....well, fine Nerdosaurous. I don't think anybody should be forced to get with the present. Certainly not. Just remember that you Not liking something doesn't mean that it's flawed....or you can join all the fossils out there that are PROUD that they can't compute.
Sigh.
I have to agree that JEdit is great. You can download and update plugins from within the application. It provides great customizability of the editor pane. I have it setup as follows: console plugin dropdown on top, plugin "taskbar" on the left of the editor pane, and tabs along the bottom of the browser pane.
I also appreciate the wrap-guide, the ftp plugin, and the search/replace dialog that allows regular expression search/replace on the current buffer, all buffers, or on a directory.
There are also plugins for project management and for receiving compiler output.
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