All old media isn't vanishing as rapidly as people thought just a few years ago
This is why I mentioned working at Wired too long in my other reply (although a rereading moves it more towards flamage). Non-violent revolutions take a lot of time.
One way to avoid (or at least accept) a lot of the flames is to assume that your audience here is one of the most connected, intelligent, cynical, independant, and challenging groups on the Net (with a large percentage of 1337 hotheads), who especially dislike being told what they already know as if they were 10-year olds who heard of the Internet from a friend. And write articles for them.
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...frankly, and what has broadband got to do with this?
You have surfed the Net on a 28k dialup right? And you've also surfed on a T1, I would assume. The use of the Net changes drastically depending on how you connect. My point is that the Net and "new media" won't take over until 50%+ of the population gets to use the Net like it should be.
Two quick concrete examples for you.
Newspapers vs./. Radio vs. Napster(or streaming music sites)
Neither/. or napster is particularly useful without a fat pipe. (Lynx browsers aside, I'm talking mass market)
Streaming MP3s, which I listen to constantly, is not possible without broadband. Go visit www.shoutcast.com or www.live365.com and see how much "New" media you can access over a dial-up connection. Or Flash sites, large video files, heck even the abundance of game demos, or how about online FPSes, video conferencing, etc. Bandwidth is more than just a piece of the puzzle, it's the table on which the puzzle sits.
Shopping on the Net and getting news is "old". Surely you don't think using a telephone line to order products is revolutionary.
I used the mountain comment as a hook, looks like it worked;-) Saying that we are in some type of "middle media" now, is halfway accurate. Saying that this is where we are going to stay, is, IMHO, shortsighted. I like most of your stuff Jon, but this article didn't really say much other than "Things are changing", which we already know.
I liked the COPS show, it was funny as hell. The COPS thing is about played out, although that hovercycle version is pretty funny. (for the 3rd iteration of a Playstation racing game)
There were just too many holes in the plot and nothing was explained at all.
At least on ST:TNG they try to make up words describing something that sounds like it might make sense (the Exobit episode I caught last night was a great example (has to do with AI and "Life")
I liked the promos for the FPS X-File (esp the "Rear View") but the episode sucked mightily. Standing in one place and shooting (as ALL the actors did when in the game) is the best way to die in any FPS. I did like seeing the smug "Thresh" character getting his head chopped off, that certainly cut him down a few inches (da-dum dum). But both the action and plot were weak and contrived, the dialog was o.k., I give it a 5/10.
hate to burst your bubble, but it won't work in any real sense. Most of us "abusers" have well over 100-200+ karma points. Why, because over time we've posted more "good" content than crap. It only takes 25 points to get the +1, so anybody who posts good stuff for a month or so (or even a very insightful DAY) will get it. Karma whoring also works if you need it (preach the Linux party line and use big words (Sig11 showed us how)).
What we need is a higher limit on total scores so the difference between 1 and 2 is less significant, instead of a 20% quality boost.
Of course, checking the "No Score +1 Bonus" box by default would probably solve the problem, most times I don't even bother with it, although this time I'm ingoring it on purpose.
When you are a generally good person (poster) you can ignore (or at least not worry about) Karma, just like in real life.
Hing2: or MTV or anyplace else, and that's exactly how the RIAA wants to keep it. A big reason why I support MP3 and "pirating" (or as I call it, "Listening to Music")
Oh God, I hope this doesn't turn into another console vs. GUI flamewar.
what's the point, my GUI has a button that opens a console. And my console recognizes cryptic stuff like startx to make a GUI, best of both worlds. No war necessary, we're already at peace (except for the zealots, which are never at peace)
I like reading online. I do it for multiple hours a day, and it doesn't bother me any more than reading a regular book does after multiple hours. I'm still waiting for that solar powered collapsing foldable PDA(B), though:)
But as Garden.com's sweet-smelling catalogs show, the boundaries between old and new media are getting tougher to find. What is visible is a new and hybrid information structure, a new media species all its own.
Katz, to finish with this tripe is sad. "New media and old media have formed this new species, blah, blah, blah," Jon spent too much time at Wired and thought he new what new media was. Now he starts to see signs of things changing and backtracks because they don't change fast enough. Wait 20 years Jon, media can't change in 5.
All it can do in that time is slowly morph to some middle ground, and you think'll stop here. Less that 5% of the homes in this country have broadband. Excuse me for being a Net 1337i57, but if you don't have broadband, YOU ARE NOT ON THE NET and can't *really* participate in new media (it's too slow to be useful), just some bastard child that hints at the real possibilities. Until 50%+ is hooked up, you won't see sweeping changes. That will take 20+ years.
Go climb a mountain or something Jon and think a bit longer about the difference between stopping halfway and calling it the top, and climbing upward until there's no mountain left.
(posted here to avoid the me-too root posting tendancy.)
I'll disagree with this vehemently. It is precisely because of good AC content that I don't set my threshhold at 1, way too many times have I seen good or funny AC quickies. I've even shot off a few myself from time to time. Trolls suck (except for the good ones, you know who you are), but it's the good ACs that cause the problem.
I don't know where people get the idea that if something costs more than they want to pay, its OK to steal it. Downloading copyrighted CD's is generally stealing.
coupled with
Moderate me down. I have morals!
leads me to believe that your objection to the..promiscuity of online music is based on a moral belief that because it is illegal, it is wrong.
What I would like to do is have these laws changed in ways such that we can both be happy. I don't have to pay for marketing and distrubution and production costs (because I already pay for bandwidth and storage space) and you would be happy because it would be legal.
I see the best way to remove these laws is to break them on such a massive scale that their "silly" nature is revealed to all. You disagree that this is best way to go about it, but my other point of attack is public debate, so there ya go.
Oh, and I'm also "stealing" music because I REALLY like to listen to it and am more than happy to pay to hear it live, which is the best way to appreciate most brands of luscious vibrations.
(and don't read too much into my.sig, "free" means all sorts of stuff and I felt I have to my part to combat M$'s billion dollar marketing effort that buys time during the Simpsons )-: )
your morals are based on following the letter of the law of the land. That's important when deciding what is right and wrong. Some of us, however, feel that sometimes the law is wrong. And when breaking it is the only way to show that, well, go visit here and hopefully we can show how silly many of these laws are and you won't have to condemn us for listening to a wide variety of music in an ultimately convenient way.
just make sure all your friends do the same and we'll have nothing to worry about. Every time I wear my anti-dvd shirt I talk to another person. Markets follow a certain pattern (and the adoption of new technology follows this curve) with the first people to use something being the "early adopters", that's us for MP3, and a bunch of other stuff. This crowd then helps refine the product which eventually moves on to the mass market. I'm sure many of you have taken some marketing classes (unless you avoided them for religious reasons) and know most of this so I'll skip the details.
My point is that as early adopters, we get to define, or at least help guide, what products come out for the mass market (and get mass marketing budgets). Knowing this, make your opinion known, especially to those that make these decisions. Vote with your wallet, express your fears to your peers, write poems about it, whatever. Bitching' about it is fun on/., but when talking about it "at large" try and keep the sarcasm and cynicism to a low level and the facts (your version of them will do fine) as the main points.
McCain has also supported numerous initiatives on behalf of large media companies. Him and Billy Tauzin out of Lousiana. Notice the good press he gets...
I agree I thought this thing was cool as hell. For all the b.s. products that come out, I'm thinking the Web Pad has the most potential. Think about it. One big Linux box to act as a gateway, firewall, Web, Mail, etc. server, hooked up to whatever broadband connection is available in your area. Connect to wireless transmitters that connect to however many webpads you need. Think about it for a moment. When people start to associate a computing home network like a (new) car, the mass market will be ready. Give them thier own domain on their server. blah, blah, blah.
When this is a viable setup I'm starting a company that does it. Hmm, where's that Ask/. on VCs...
Slashdot Mirror
I can see the board meeting now.
"Hmm, well we've only got a few grand left. Should we get some type of back-up or go with the retinal scanners?"
[group chorus] "RETINAL SCANNERS!"
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All old media isn't vanishing as rapidly as people thought just a few years ago
This is why I mentioned working at Wired too long in my other reply (although a rereading moves it more towards flamage). Non-violent revolutions take a lot of time.
One way to avoid (or at least accept) a lot of the flames is to assume that your audience here is one of the most connected, intelligent, cynical, independant, and challenging groups on the Net (with a large percentage of 1337 hotheads), who especially dislike being told what they already know as if they were 10-year olds who heard of the Internet from a friend. And write articles for them.
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...frankly, and what has broadband got to do with this?
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/. or napster is particularly useful without a fat pipe. (Lynx browsers aside, I'm talking mass market)
;-) Saying that we are in some type of "middle media" now, is halfway accurate. Saying that this is where we are going to stay, is, IMHO, shortsighted. I like most of your stuff Jon, but this article didn't really say much other than "Things are changing", which we already know.
You have surfed the Net on a 28k dialup right? And you've also surfed on a T1, I would assume. The use of the Net changes drastically depending on how you connect. My point is that the Net and "new media" won't take over until 50%+ of the population gets to use the Net like it should be.
Two quick concrete examples for you.
Newspapers vs.
Radio vs. Napster(or streaming music sites)
Neither
Streaming MP3s, which I listen to constantly, is not possible without broadband. Go visit www.shoutcast.com or www.live365.com and see how much "New" media you can access over a dial-up connection. Or Flash sites, large video files, heck even the abundance of game demos, or how about online FPSes, video conferencing, etc. Bandwidth is more than just a piece of the puzzle, it's the table on which the puzzle sits.
Shopping on the Net and getting news is "old". Surely you don't think using a telephone line to order products is revolutionary.
I used the mountain comment as a hook, looks like it worked
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I liked the COPS show, it was funny as hell. The COPS thing is about played out, although that hovercycle version is pretty funny. (for the 3rd iteration of a Playstation racing game)
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There were just too many holes in the plot and nothing was explained at all.
At least on ST:TNG they try to make up words describing something that sounds like it might make sense (the Exobit episode I caught last night was a great example (has to do with AI and "Life")
I liked the promos for the FPS X-File (esp the "Rear View") but the episode sucked mightily. Standing in one place and shooting (as ALL the actors did when in the game) is the best way to die in any FPS. I did like seeing the smug "Thresh" character getting his head chopped off, that certainly cut him down a few inches (da-dum dum). But both the action and plot were weak and contrived, the dialog was o.k., I give it a 5/10.
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ahh, but it is better if you KnewCash or if you KnowCash?
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hate to burst your bubble, but it won't work in any real sense. Most of us "abusers" have well over 100-200+ karma points. Why, because over time we've posted more "good" content than crap. It only takes 25 points to get the +1, so anybody who posts good stuff for a month or so (or even a very insightful DAY) will get it. Karma whoring also works if you need it (preach the Linux party line and use big words (Sig11 showed us how)).
What we need is a higher limit on total scores so the difference between 1 and 2 is less significant, instead of a 20% quality boost.
Of course, checking the "No Score +1 Bonus" box by default would probably solve the problem, most times I don't even bother with it, although this time I'm ingoring it on purpose.
When you are a generally good person (poster) you can ignore (or at least not worry about) Karma, just like in real life.
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Hing2: or MTV or anyplace else, and that's exactly how the RIAA wants to keep it. A big reason why I support MP3 and "pirating" (or as I call it, "Listening to Music")
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this is what you want
Now put my lamp back in the deserted tomb.
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tough to see smoke from a fire in Norway here is the U.S though, eh? :)
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bits is bits is bits, and by any other name would still be on or off.
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Oh God, I hope this doesn't turn into another console vs. GUI flamewar.
:)
what's the point, my GUI has a button that opens a console. And my console recognizes cryptic stuff like startx to make a GUI, best of both worlds. No war necessary, we're already at peace (except for the zealots, which are never at peace)
I like reading online. I do it for multiple hours a day, and it doesn't bother me any more than reading a regular book does after multiple hours. I'm still waiting for that solar powered collapsing foldable PDA(B), though
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But as Garden.com's sweet-smelling catalogs show, the boundaries between old and new media are getting tougher to find. What is visible is a new and hybrid information structure, a new media species all its own.
Katz, to finish with this tripe is sad. "New media and old media have formed this new species, blah, blah, blah," Jon spent too much time at Wired and thought he new what new media was. Now he starts to see signs of things changing and backtracks because they don't change fast enough. Wait 20 years Jon, media can't change in 5.
All it can do in that time is slowly morph to some middle ground, and you think'll stop here. Less that 5% of the homes in this country have broadband. Excuse me for being a Net 1337i57, but if you don't have broadband, YOU ARE NOT ON THE NET and can't *really* participate in new media (it's too slow to be useful), just some bastard child that hints at the real possibilities. Until 50%+ is hooked up, you won't see sweeping changes. That will take 20+ years.
Go climb a mountain or something Jon and think a bit longer about the difference between stopping halfway and calling it the top, and climbing upward until there's no mountain left.
(posted here to avoid the me-too root posting tendancy.)
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I'll disagree with this vehemently. It is precisely because of good AC content that I don't set my threshhold at 1, way too many times have I seen good or funny AC quickies. I've even shot off a few myself from time to time. Trolls suck (except for the good ones, you know who you are), but it's the good ACs that cause the problem.
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Sorry jumped the gun a bit there.
.sig, "free" means all sorts of stuff and I felt I have to my part to combat M$'s billion dollar marketing effort that buys time during the Simpsons )-: )
My morals are based on my own thoughts.
and my interpretation was based on your post.
I don't know where people get the idea that if something costs more than they want to pay, its OK to steal it. Downloading copyrighted CD's is generally stealing.
coupled with
Moderate me down. I have morals!
leads me to believe that your objection to the..promiscuity of online music is based on a moral belief that because it is illegal, it is wrong.
What I would like to do is have these laws changed in ways such that we can both be happy. I don't have to pay for marketing and distrubution and production costs (because I already pay for bandwidth and storage space) and you would be happy because it would be legal.
I see the best way to remove these laws is to break them on such a massive scale that their "silly" nature is revealed to all. You disagree that this is best way to go about it, but my other point of attack is public debate, so there ya go.
Oh, and I'm also "stealing" music because I REALLY like to listen to it and am more than happy to pay to hear it live, which is the best way to appreciate most brands of luscious vibrations.
(and don't read too much into my
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your morals are based on following the letter of the law of the land. That's important when deciding what is right and wrong. Some of us, however, feel that sometimes the law is wrong. And when breaking it is the only way to show that, well, go visit here and hopefully we can show how silly many of these laws are and you won't have to condemn us for listening to a wide variety of music in an ultimately convenient way.
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just make sure all your friends do the same and we'll have nothing to worry about. Every time I wear my anti-dvd shirt I talk to another person. Markets follow a certain pattern (and the adoption of new technology follows this curve) with the first people to use something being the "early adopters", that's us for MP3, and a bunch of other stuff. This crowd then helps refine the product which eventually moves on to the mass market. I'm sure many of you have taken some marketing classes (unless you avoided them for religious reasons) and know most of this so I'll skip the details.
/., but when talking about it "at large" try and keep the sarcasm and cynicism to a low level and the facts (your version of them will do fine) as the main points.
My point is that as early adopters, we get to define, or at least help guide, what products come out for the mass market (and get mass marketing budgets). Knowing this, make your opinion known, especially to those that make these decisions. Vote with your wallet, express your fears to your peers, write poems about it, whatever. Bitching' about it is fun on
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yes, this does make a great example of why UCITA should be slashed, burned, and shat upon.
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..somebody had a good idea for this the other day. It would take a bit more configuring, but if geeks don't like to configure...
anyway...here's the goods..and a couple more periods...
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I like it a lot.
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masterful troll,
You are soulless automatons, motivated only by a dry insectile lust for power and a robotic desire to destroy the lives of the fully human,
priceless.
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McCain has also supported numerous initiatives on behalf of large media companies. Him and Billy Tauzin out of Lousiana. Notice the good press he gets...
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psst, here's $50, walk in that library and download some porn. thanks.
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the Be fare is $0, too. ;)
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I agree I thought this thing was cool as hell. For all the b.s. products that come out, I'm thinking the Web Pad has the most potential. Think about it. One big Linux box to act as a gateway, firewall, Web, Mail, etc. server, hooked up to whatever broadband connection is available in your area. Connect to wireless transmitters that connect to however many webpads you need. Think about it for a moment. When people start to associate a computing home network like a (new) car, the mass market will be ready. Give them thier own domain on their server. blah, blah, blah.
/. on VCs...
When this is a viable setup I'm starting a company that does it. Hmm, where's that Ask
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