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Max von H. found the
following on PalmStation: "It seems Samsung is about to ship out a Linux PDA this summer, and it will be called Yopy. Neat, isn't it? " A little slow link, but definitely more interesting then most of the other data on the Samsung devices we've seen in the past. It looks like it's mimicing a lot of the wince stuff... also appears to have a camera option. Nifty stuff
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Great idea. Anyone for a game of PDA Quake?
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You know I've wanted something like this for awhile now. If we could get MP3 playing capabilities, maybe some voice recording (for short notes, etc), and wireless email I'd be in heaven!
it's got a camera, so i can put a live stream of me habing sex with natalie portman in a pool of hot grist surrounded by mae ling mak statues!
Uhh, sounds kind of dopey. Or is it copy?
If there was an optional cd-rom and a voodoo 3 2000 video card I would consider buying it.
http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/p da/index.htm
Can I watch? I mean, Natalie Portman's has a flat chest but she looks really cool with that little stripe on her lip. (Ok, that's being nice, Natalie Portman isn't flat, I think she has little dents for nipples... But she's still got a cute lip. It would fit me well...)
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According to this picture, it plays mp3s and has support for wireless email. No voice recording, though.
It does look pretty nifty. Beats WinCE any day. *And* it plays Ricky Martin songs, so you know it's good!
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Here is the link I found on Samsungs Korean site.
That looks really cool, with the web browser and the integrated video. It also apparently does e-mail and plays mp3s and whatnot, but I'd still want an xterm mode. :)
Anyhow, here's the picture with the specs. It's got a 200Mhz ARM chip (probably for low power consumption) and 32MB RAM. Anyone have more info on this?
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Well, I can't really comment too much on how I think this is going to revolutionize Linux, and push Linux over the top, but I'm sure somebody will. What I have to say about this is ... wow ... That thing looks slick.
... wow ... I'm impressed.
I'm basing this totally on aesthetics right now, as it definately appeals to my sense of what a palm-held device ought to look like. I think I've found MY next MP3 Player. Looks like ARM has gone a long way since the last time I checked its progress. Way to go.
Taken from the specs page
Strong CPU of High Performance
Is anyone able to narrow that down a little bit??? I'd kinda like to know what I'm up against if I'm to use this thing for anything other than appointments and MP3s. I'd also like to know how much storage space is available on those "CompactFlash" cards anyway...
Also, anybody have any idea why they chose to create their own 'Yopy browser'? Seems like after going to all the effort to port the OS and get ARM going, they'd just use one of the browsers readily available to choose from. The Linux scene is definately hopping with them.
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Now, on the poster in this picture, it mentions voice recording as a feature. Silly me.
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Windows CE! At least a bit too much for my tastes... I used both WinCE and PalmOS device, and for what I've seen on the pictures, they seem to reproduce the "Bad Things" of WinCE, like the "start bar" at the bottom of the screen, etc.
Of course, maybe all this can be modified by the user... That would be the ultimate cool thing!! Also, anyone knows if there's writing recognition like for the Palm?
JulyenNo, not a Voodoo3. A NVIDIA GritsForce video card would be much better.
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Ok, nice that it's a PDA running linux, but what can this thing do? What kind of display does it have, what kind of in/output capabilities? (i'd love to run QuakeWorld on one of those ... ;)
btw: it isn't a slow link at all, at least, for people living in the Netherlands.
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I know that its what peaple are used to but I would rather see the gnome "foot" or even a KDE start button then one that just says "start". It makes me thnik MS. Oh well overall its very cool tho. 206MHZ StrongArm in a PDA cant be all bad.
This is cool too: Samsung and Lineo Press Release.
Samsung is falling into the same pitfall as the manufacturers of WinCE devices before them. Trying to cram an entire desktop operating system into a handheld is simply ludicrous. Admittedly, Linux is pprobably better suited for these purposes than CE, but it doesn't look Samsung did a whole lot to tune the interface for a PDA. As a user of both Palm and CE devices, I much prefer a simplified GUI like the Palm. It seems like this would have been possible with Linux, but the screenshots still show the dreaded Start menu. Alas, a good idea shot down by poor implementation.
anyone know if this supports beowolf?
I'm sure there was a radio button in one of those picture.
I wonder what it will do. Possibly a radio card or something>
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"Game 1" and "Game 2"?? Okay, I can live with that. But give me Tetris or die!!!
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I use a dinky 8mb card with my Nino 510 which helps out a lot with my five zillion avant-go subscriptions :)
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What's with the "cute" penguin mascot?
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How hard would it to put a word ignore in our prefrences? With defautls of "Natalie Portman", "hot grits" and "beowulf", and an excessive caps ignore? If a post contains any of the words, it doesn't get displayed, regardless of the score.
Then I could read the couple decent AC posts without having to read at +2 and hoping some poort sap that reads at 0 or 1 moderates them up.
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Jesus.. 200Mhz and 32mb is a lot. I could run Apache on it... A wireless pocket Web server!
Finally, someone came out with a PDA that has a button arrangement for playing games. :) Very similar to a gameboy...
The reason I ask, is it would be pretty easy (?) to run the distributed.net client(s), and if it has a reasonably fast processor, it wouldn't be a waste.
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Neat, thanks!
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So that's that the "Embedix Browser" looks like...
It scares me that this machine is more powerful than my old P133. Man, did it suck before X had decent Mach64 support, and I could only run it in 320x200. I guess that's something like this PDA will be, except without a real keyboard...
It entertains me that Microsoft had to make an entire new OS to do this, whereas Linux had an ARM port, and can be stripped down sufficiently without creating a new API.
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I'd like her to be petrified. And nude. Okay?
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Take pride in your Karma! For yours is lower than mine.
That screen had a freakin' start button on it. What the heck? You take Linux and some version of X, and you have a million and two options, and what do they do? The put a start button on it? I've read that even wince won't have the start button any more because it really sucks for a PDA. Why does Samsung want one now?
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Does anyone have any price information on this? I've found the specs and pictures all over the place, but I can't find any mention of a suggested retail price. This could be anywhere from $50-$1000 for all I know.
Anybody have and "inside" info or find something I missed regarding price?
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This thing looks great but I am worried about a couple things. It almost seems that they are trying to do too much in a little PDA. Do you really want to use all of your RAM to store 6 mp3s? Will the RAM user upgradable? And what about syncing? They show it hooked up to a MS Laptop. AM I going to have to boot into a MS Operating system to synch this, or use transfer the "extra stuff" other than the the "normal" PDA studd (The MP3s and Pictures)
While a Linux handheld would be cool in its own right, I see very few references to what applications this thing is going to run. Have they been developed by Samsung? If this is going to be a useful PDA, then I hope they are going to have to have some decent PDA-style applications to go along with it.
I'm a little suspicious that none of the screenshots are showing any scheduling programs or other PDA-mainstays.
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Lets just hope that they: a: Provide a Linux sync client!!! b: Don't violate the GPL c: Give it networking operability!!! Call me a cynic, but the Linux community is increasingly getting screwed by companies using the kernel and abusing it. If we have to reverse engineer the comms language for this one that Samsung is going to get a big F*** you from me....
So Rob says its a slow link....imagine after it gets /.ed..
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I take exception to a few key aspects of Linux's accusations. To organize my discussion, I suggest that we take one step back in the causal chain and take a proactive, rather than a reactive, stance. The cure for corruption, conspiracy, and treason must start by exposing the problem to people who care and are not themselves corrupted. I'm not going to say why; we all know the reason. Experience should probably indicate that I am convinced that there will be a strong effort on Linux's part to make human life negligible and cheap any day now. This effort will be disguised, of course. It will be cloaked in deceit, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informing you that what we're involved in with Linux is not a game. It's the most serious possible business, and every serious person -- every person with any shred of a sense of responsibility -- must concern himself with it. No one can be right all of the time. 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Although I can find only circumstantial evidence of misconduct and rule violations, all people, including scummy poseurs, ought to be kind and sensitive to one another. Whatever else may be the case, it is certain that Linux's insults are clear testimony to the fact that it is cowardice on Linux's part to exert more and more control over other individuals. Many experts now believe that Linux's witticisms are now a staple of its cronies' tricks. Nevertheless, Linux doesn't let a day pass without showing to the world that is is as little fitted to be trusted with liberty as thieves with keys or children with firearms. Linux offers two reasons as to why the health effects of secondhand smoke are negligible. It argues that (1) it understands the difference between civilization and savagery, and (2) obscurity, evasiveness, incomprehensibility, indirectness, and ambiguity are marks of depth and brilliance. 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Considering that Linux's assistants remain a small isolated minority, except during times of economic or social stress, when a mass following develops to blame masochism-oriented egocentric utopians for the problems besetting society, I offer that the longer we delay action, the harder it will be to nourish children with good morals and self-esteem. I predict that in a lustrum or two, people will generally agree that Linux is -- for lack of a better word -- lethargic. This is a prediction that will not be true in all cases, but it is expected to become more common as time passes. When I was little, my father would sometimes pick me up, put me on his knee, and say "Even the most rigorous theoretical framework Linux could put forward would not leave it in the position of generalizing with the certainty to which it is prone in its personal attacks." What does Linux have to say about all of this? The answer, as expected, is nothing. 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Even if our society had no social problems at all, we could still say that griping about People with moderation points will not make it stop trying to create catchy, new terms for boring, old issues. But even if it did, it would just find some other way to create an unwelcome climate for those of us who are striving to confront and reject all manifestations of sensationalism. Of course, I hold fast to the view that in the genesis of People with moderation points's values, vainglorious begat pestilential, which begat benighted, which begat horny. If People with moderation points isn't unsophisticated, I don't know who is. I'm tired of viperine deviants. The problem, as I see it, is not a question of who the election-year also-rans of this society are, but rather that People with moderation points's dream is to rule the world, or failing that, annihilate it. It is imperative that all of us in this community strengthen our roots so we can weather the storms that threaten our foundation. 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And finally, there's a distinction to be made here. As part of its efforts to gain a mainstream following, People with moderation points publishes the Journal of Contumelious Exclusionism. Included alongside articles discussing history, culture, art, religion, and philosophy are endorsements of People with moderation points's plans to create a conniving world of guilt and shame. People with moderation points wouldn't be able to cheat at cards if it were working on a level playing field. I've already explained why, but let me add that there is a simple answer to the question of what to do about its pleas. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must begin a course of careful, planned, and coordinated action. 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This is getting boring today, I guess CmdrTaco has a terrible hangover, thats why he posts "stuff that matters" today.
No wonder there's nothing than trolls today.
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How'ed you get that past the lameness filter??? Grr..
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So does this mean Samsung's got a handwriting recognition client for Linux? I wonder if they'll GPL it.
...without a keyboard?
Questions I have:
1. Does a keyboard peripheral exist or is one planned?
2. Can you get beneath the desktop? It would be great if they allowed the user to customize the interface. They could even create new interfaces later and let you switch between the one you want.
3. The battery is listed as 1400mA Recharge Li-Ion. Has anyone heard any estimates of how long it lasts? (esp. when used as a continuous MP3 player.)
4. I want the power! Can the user trash features they don't want to make room for features they do? (If I don't get the camera, I don't want the baggage.)
5. Okay, if I do want the camera, am I stuck with just one choice? Price?
Nitpicking aside... looks way cool.
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Just wondering, how did this post get rated -2?
Wow, how do you get a -2 post score like that?
There was a really good story about Natalie Portman using linux nude and saying that it was the greatest thing since hot grits, especially when used as a beowulf cluster. Surely you wouldn't want a worthwhile celebrity advocacy post moderated down...
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When you hear about something like this, you really have to ask yourself, is it practical? Linux is a UNIX. No matter how slimmed down, it still carries a lot of UNIX baggage. It still has a lot of complexity that a PDA really doesn't need. MS has fallen into the same trap by shoe-horning windows into PDAs and ended up with the monstrosity that is WinCE. Even in text mode, Linux needs about 4 meg to run comfortably. Thats great when you have a 32 meg RAM PC, but think about it, that 32 meg is mostly going to storage for apps. So in the end, you really end up with about 8 meg or so, and if half that is taken up by the OS, that leaves precious little for the OS. PDAs are in a strange position. They are too big for a PalmOS type OS, but too small for a desktop or laptop OS. Instead of shrinking the desktop OS, doesn't it make sense to enlarge the small OS? I would think that a better starting point for a device like this would be QNX. The kernel is 32K, includeds networking, and Photon is really small and fast. Of course you still have the problem that make WinCE handhelds a pain to use. The desktop metaphor reeks on a 4" screen! Ideally, you'd have a taskbar with a start menu type thing, and would switch apps just by clicking on the taskbar. Throw out the rest of this desktop metaphor. There is a reason that palms are so popular; the interface fits on a PDA. It seems to me that Palm, GeOS, and Netwon are the only ones who ever "got it."
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I would like to clarify some comments I made recently regarding Mr. Cmdr Taco. Let's start with my claim that as soon as Cmdr's cronies make a big deal out of nothing, their editorials will cease to discuss, openly and candidly, a vision for a harmonious, multiracial society and instead will control, manipulate, and harm other people. During the first half of the 20th century, colonialism could have been practically identified with fetishism. Today, it is not so clear who can properly be called hate-filled radicals. There can be no argument that as commonly encountered, unsympathetic cutthroats lack any of the qualities that mark the civilized person, like courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, and confidence. I kid you not. Only Cmdr could suspect that bloodthirsty freaks are any better than impertinent snivelling lunatics. If I am correct that the conflation of obnoxious confused drug addicts and doctrinaire troglodytes in his memoranda is either dramatic hyperbole or a fatal methodological flaw, then Cmdr frequently takes an accepted moral principle, adopts it as his own, and then accuses mainstream society of violating that principle, so to speak. More to the point, his convictions run on pure irony. No matter what Cmdr thinks, raising the volume, increasing the stridency, or stressing the emotionalism of an argument does not improve its validity. As we all know, many of our present-day sufferings are the consequence of the superficial relationship between him and the most prodigal card sharks I've ever seen. I wonder if he really believes the things he says. He knows they're not true, doesn't he? The important point here is not that Cmdr is doing the very thing for which he criticizes others. The vital matter is that even without making an ethical argument against gangsterism, I can show that Cmdr should reserve his stereotypes and labels and remember to treat others with a bit more respect and equality. Why can't he value a diversity of approaches without needing to rank them as better and worse? Often, the lure of an articulate new pundit, a well-financed attention-getting program, an effective audience generator, hot new "inside" information, or a professionally-produced exposé is irresistible to rancorous mouthpieces for salacious patronizing gnosticism who want to damn this nation and this world to Hell. As will become apparent quicker than you can double-check the spelling of "plethysmographically", alarmism is the last refuge of the amateurish. And what about Cmdr's lackeys? They, like Cmdr, are paltry undesirables. He should take a step back and look at everything from a different perspective. He will damage the debate about this issue, because we will have to spend lots of time correcting misunderstandings that are directly attributable to his half-measures. One might maintain that Cmdr's popularity is overrated. While that's true, it does somewhat miss the point. You see, Cmdr obscures the true meaning of his expedients with propaganda and fancy talk. In its annual report on voluble incidents, the government concluded that I'm willing to accept that he treats serious issues callously and somewhat flippantly. I'm even willing to accept that he is the great master of deception. But some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, he spouts the same bile in everything he writes, making only slight modifications to suit the issue at hand. The issue he's excited about this week is Marxism, which says to me that Cmdr's protests are a cesspool of immoralism. Because of Cmdr's obsession with unilateralism, his insinuations obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. Cmdr often starts with a preconceived story and then plugs in supposed "information" in order to create a somewhat believable tale. I know that I'm emotional now, but many of his complaints are seriously flawed, frequently fail to meet minimal standards of logic, and, on balance, are puerile. We must worry about two kinds of unsophisticated spouters: blasphemous and appalling. Cmdr is among the former. Sensationalism and misoneism are not synonymous. In fact, they are so frequently in opposition and so universally irreconcilable that on many issues, discussions with Cmdr quickly turn into fights, and dialogues soon degenerate into name-calling. The world would be a much better place to live if he stopped trying to leave a large part of this country's workforce dislocated and disillusioned. Now that I've had time to think about Cmdr's platitudes, my only question is this: Why? Why exhibit a deep disdain for all people who are not bestial poseurs? Call me old-fashioned, but we should use our words to create understanding and progress, not hatred and division. Cmdr has failed to provide us with a context in which his disquisitions could be discussed and understood. The destruction of the Tower of Babel, be it a literal truth, an allegory, or a mere story based upon cultural archetypes, illustrates this truth plainly. To endorse a complete system of leadership by mobocracy is Cmdr's objective, and cruel antidisestablishmentarianism is his method. The only thing bigger than the chip on his shoulder is the grossness of his shell games. This is not rhetoric. This is reality. Many people are shocked when I tell them that certain individuals in intelligence and law enforcement agencies may have overlooked some of his more dictatorial propositions. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that in the genesis of his arguments, boisterous begat pugnacious, which begat distasteful, which begat stuck-up. Cmdr has no great love for democracy or egalitarianism. The reason is simple: If you've read this far, then you probably either agree with me or are on the way to agreeing with me. Foul-mouthed corrupt smart alecks like him always lie. Even an occasional truth is intended only to cover up a bigger falsification and is therefore, itself, a deliberate untruth. As part of his efforts to gain a mainstream following, he publishes the Journal of Stubborn Totalitarianism. Included alongside articles discussing history, culture, art, religion, and philosophy are endorsements of his plans to alter, rewrite, or ignore past events to make them consistent with his current "reality". Most acts of terrorism are committed not by politically-incorrect bigamists, but by Cmdr's henchmen in an attempt to wage a clandestine guerilla war against many basic human rights. Yet if one could get a Ph.D. in Masochism, Cmdr would be the first in line to have one. Still, the issue of what to do about Mr. Cmdr Taco's fickle neurotic orations is far from settled. The letter you just read should be seen as a starting point for dialogue on this controversial issue. Why do you have a complaint about me on your Web page?.
I was just trying to figure out does Hand Writing mean Handwriting like the Newton's or (Full Handwrinting Print, or Cursive) like the Palm's Graffiti. I am hoping that it is more like the newton. Also, does this thing use it's own display mechinism, or is it X? I would immagine it would just take up too much memory or the 32 megs to do it that way, or maybe framebuffers? One last thing, could I put standard linux stuff on it like gcc, it would be fun to be able to have a neat portable compiler like that, I only wonder how long it would take to compile the kernel on that thing?
It's got a start bar. Please tell me you can disable that...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
...and how much do you think it costs?
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(although I get a feeling that the first 100 off the line will be going to VLNX/ADVR and
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Hey, I've been moderated down 4 times today. 1 more and I'll be banned for 24 hours. MODERATE THIS DOWN AND I'LL STOP POSTING.
Warning: Please reply carefully. Otherwise, you just feed the troll ;)
There should be a point of moderation where this post is deleted
Like -2, Then these trolls will get pissed and stop posting if they can't view thier own comments
I didn't use the preview button, so get over it!!!!
Mike
The way I see it, it all comes down to what you can do with it. You could put linux on a toaster if you wanted to but what would be the point? If you can actually use it LIKE linux, on this pda then that's great, but I think realisticly that all the os is probally going to be on a rom somewhere leaving you with no customization maybe meaning that you are stuck running KDE, Gnome or what ever they want you to.
Now as for all this talk of playing quake or other games, I don't think it would be very good just for the fact of the strange resolution that it probally has, and that there are only two buttons and a directional type pad, would make it bad to play.
All I have seen on this is the pictures on the link from this story, and the info on samsung's page, but from what I can see, it looks just like Samsung is trying to hop on the Linux bandwagon.
It does look like a nice palmtop though, so it might be a good product. I'm just worried about the actual customizability.
-DNS
I couldn't help but notice--not only does the GUI look exactly like WinCE, even the hardware looks like a WinCE PDA (judging from what I've seen of my friend's Cassiopeia). Most of the buttons seem to be the same. The select dial and escape but are identical, right down to the labels, to those on the Cassiopeia.
From all that I can find on ARM's and Samsung's website, it appears that the CPU in the machine is some member of the ARM9 family, probably the
ARM9E-S, because it includes DSP instructions. The spec sheet for the PDA says it has a 3D audio codec (probably dolby because the ARM9 dsp can handle that) plays MP3s and MPEG video, all of which the ARM9E-S is perfectly suited to do. You can go too this website http://www.arm.com/Pro+Peripherals/Cores/ARM9ES/
to find out some more about the CPU. Its a really nice CPU, puts out about 200 something MIPS and uses about 1.3 or 2.5 mW/MHz depending on the what voltage its running at.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
According to this page there will be a family of Yopies (sp?) with the functionality of the upcoming Symbian/Psion/Motorola/Ericsson/whatever devices:
GMATE also plans to introduce a series of PDA products, including a PDA with built-in Cellular function, a niche market oriented PDA. These PDAs share the common technology basis of YOPY. In addition to the YOPY PDAs, GMATE is developing key technologies for next generation PDA to secure its leading position in the 21st century.
I definitely want one...
I'm sorry but when a company says "Strong CPU of High Performance" they don't know shit. Just think of a 400Mhz Transmeta handheld running x86 programs.........now who wants a Samsung?
-- "I'd rather be dead than cool" -Kurt Cobain
But it looks gnarly. Pretty close, better in fact, than my Ultimate Gadget I made last year.
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ASCII art?? I thought it was a REGULAR expression
While I am truly excited about getting my hands on one of these, I would really have wished for a bit bigger screen.. I am a trusty Newton user, simply because it is the ultimate tool for handwritten notes, not just because of it's recognition engine, but simply because, it has the perfect size for taking digital notes...
:)
back to reality, and a device with a future
what are the possibilities for a handwriting recognizer to run under Linux?
Does such an app exist... and if so is it free?
Is it at all feasable to waste space and time with such an engine for such a small screen size...
I have previously had a PalmPilot, and while i was very satisfied with it, I never really used it for taking notes... does anybody have some good or bad experiences with taking notes on a screen of this size??
OK, Samsung. This is probably the single coolest PDA I've ever seen. Period. But, that being said, a few things need to be done before it's pushed out to the masses.
First, the User Interface is a disaster. The Start button makes me sick and the fonts look like a throw-back from the DOS days. And it might be a good idea to interface through USB, as Linux 2.3 [soon to be 2.4] supports USB. Win98 supports USB. [Free, Net, Open]BSD[i] supports USB as well.
And maybe you should chat with the XMMS team before you finalize your MP3 player's interface. It looks kind of gawky.
But, look. It's an awesome CPU. Nice and healty memory, and look at that LCD!
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Hi!
It mentions USB port in specs. I am wondering
does this USB port allows only to connect this
PDA to computer, or does it also allows to
connect various devices to PDA?
Connecting USB keyboard or ZIP drive
could be pretty cool option!
it is submersible!
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What happened to Comment #60 ? Score -2? And why? There seems to be something really wrong with slash.
Let's see, you've obviously never used one of these Linux PDA's, and I'd be amazed if you've ever had your hands on one of the Cassiopeia gizmos. You're probably one of those dorks who thinks that Linux's SMP code runs circles around Sun's -- "but but but, it's Linux, it has to be better!" Dumbass.
Just wondering, how did this post get rated -2?
Well, if you take a good look at his post, you'll see that he mentioned both Internet Explorer and Windows 95, yet he did not even make one juvenile anti-Microsoft comment. You see, we're at Slashdot, and that kind of behavior is just unacceptable here. Hope this helps.
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First: A disclaimer. I know admittedly little about the hardware, etc in these things, so I know now how accurate the following statement will be.
That said, this might very well be another possibility in some ideas I have been tossin around for a wearable linux based machine I plan to build over the summer. My previous plan called for using some pc104 boards and building a cheezy led based i/o device till i could afford a spiffy glasses mount. With this, I could use the color screen when I really needed that functionality, yet still have the leds for my more minute to minute uses. More importantly, though, will I be able to hack a way to hook up a twiddler to this thing for typing? And for that matter, how open will the interface be? I might want to hack around the windoze based interface and get something much more basic and fvwm-like to save resources for other things, like context-aware applications and the such.
Just my $0.02US... I'd appreciate any feedback from those who might be more knowledgeable about these things.
Tell a man that there are 400 Billion stars and he'll believe you
Can't Microsoft go after them for using the "start" button? The interface is almost a replica of the winCE OS. BTW, where is the source?
Just thought I'd share a couple of ideas with you about what I think the ideal features of a PDA are, and what samsung got right (plus a few things they got wrong).
First, a PDA should definately run Linux, or maybe NetBSD. These are pretty much the 2 most scalable OSes out there (at least in the downward direction) that don't sacrifice any of the functionality or compatibility you get on larger systems. Having a unified platform between the desktop and the handheld is important for developers, and neither wince or PalmOS does this.
Plus, Linux is extremely stable, which is very important in the embedded market. Think if you're on a vacation and your PDA fails. "Darn honey, my handheld just crashed. I've lost the road map, our music for the car, the photos we took at the grand canyon, and my notes for my meeting on Monday." Not a good thing.
Secondly, the interface should not be a "desktop-clone". Multiple cascading menus are far too much clutter for a PDA screen. The UI should be simple and intuitive and targeted for handheld applications, not desktop ones. PalmOS does a very good job of this. Wince does not. It's my opinion that PDAs should use some version of X so that development is easy, but none of the current window managers are going to do very well on such a small screen, so a new interface is necessary.
Thirdly, the device should have advanced multimedia and productivity capabilities. It should have things like an MP3 and movie player. It should have a word processor and a spreadsheet. It should definately have a graphical web browser. Wince has these things, PalmOS doesn't. It's my belief that a Linux PDA should have all of these applications, but they should have a much simpler interface than their desktop cousins.
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If the buttons were arranged a little better, it could me made into a gameboy type of system!
As for handwritting recognising software, I briefly looked into this in connection with the LinuxCE project. More details should be in the LinuxCE mailing list archieve, but in brief: Nothing existis that is ready for public consumption, but there lots of bits and pieces if you look closely. And, I found that writing, say, a Grafitti clone is not that hard. You could actually do a much better job than Grafitti if you use a stronger CPU and make it learn from it's mistakes.
Regards, Tommy Thorn
This is great BUT!
-Will it sync with Linux?
-When/Where can i get the source?
-looks a good deal bigger than my PalmVx.
-seems more aimed at portable multimedia than PDA
If i bought one it would not replace my palm. It would however complement it nicely. Although Yopy can do PIM stuff, it would seem more useful as an MP3, portable video, radio, and internet device. BTW, i like how it will use a mobile phone to connect to the internet instead of requiring that you buy a new device and pay exorbitant prices for mobile internet.
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You must think you are very funny posting comments through one of those random paragraph generator.
How long before there is a yopy.themes.org website with cheezy brushed aluminum themes for this PDA?
What "baggage" are you referring to? Unix is fine for PDAs because you can simply remove those pieces you don't need. And 32M of RAM is more than plenty - lots of people ran Linux on 486's with 8 or even 4M.
As far as why Linux is a good choice, it's because the standard is there and people are familiar with it. Jumping to something like QNX just slashes your developer base. As well, think about the future - even two years from now, that processor is going to double in power and the RAM will increase, and pretty soon all the reasons why you chose QNX have dissappeared.
If I'm going to be carrying something like this around in my pocket, it better be tailorable to exactly what I want it to do. Linux is the way to make this possible.
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And that button should take you into EMACS.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Also, if you look at his user info, you'll see another -2 post. Is this a new Slash karma thing? I think that would work, as it seems this guy's a fairly unsavory character (can you say "First Post?").
Go figure.
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OK, Linux will likely be better than WinCE for a handheld (simply because it's a better desktop OS), but we don't really know if Mobile Linux will be a good handheld OS. Squeezing a desktop OS into a handheld, as M$ has done, has many disadvantages (Back when CE first came out, it was only us Palm-ites that blasted CE for this, but now pretty much everyone recognizes it).
So far the only WinCE devices that are as small as Palms use a CPU that's too slow. The Yopy should be fast, but it looks big too. Who knows if a Linux handheld can be made in the Palm form-factor?
The EPOC32 OS is an excellent handheld OS. Psion could make something the size of a PalmIII (if not PalmV). Last year, there were reports of an "EPOC32 kernal with a Palm GUI on top" project for cell phones. Is that coming out for handhelds? If so, when?
To all of you who complained that the yopi has a start bar, it looks like it can be disabled:
See: http://www.gicom.de/yopy/dsc00354.jpg
BTW, any idea on the weight / battery life / price of the yopi?
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I must say I've seen a lot of lame posting on the list today, but thats not what I'm posting about.
I must say that is one DAMNED nice PDA, I've noticed a few mentions on how it isn't going to be thats great because it linux is too big an os for a PDA, but what if you could hook up a USB zip drive to it, that would make things a lot nicer, or iomegas smaller veriation, a click drive, I'm sure one of those would make it all the more nicer (and it isn't too much bigger).
I also like the way they've put in the mp3 player into it, its almost like it does everything, which gives me my doubts as to weather it is a prank or not cause something can't be this good.
Well that was my 2 seconds worth.
The crinkly bits compared to a palm are:
The pictures on the original page indicate that Linux will run out of 32-megs of ROM and 32-megs of RAM. It also looks like SAMSUNG is going to try to take advantage of all the chip's features (the disappointing thing about Palm is that they didn't take advantage of all the Dragonball's features).
The thing to remember is that Samsung is like only putting together a reference design from Intel with a reference implementation of Linux (probably from Lineo) and standard off-the-shelf apps (like MP3 players) with minor modifications. The PDA-style apps are probably the Lineo PDA suite. Getting all this to work well in a limitted power budget will be tough enough. The first version will probably not contain any wizbang features beyond this.
The burning questions I have:
Actually, phrases like "Strong CPU of High Performance" are obvious artifacts of clumsy translations. Korean companies are VERY fond of putting much hyperbole and near-propaganda in their ad copy. All of this seems normal to their local market, and needs to be rebuilt when they move products to the US.
There are some amazingly humorous ads in the computer magazines, if you read dead trees, that are really badly done quick-translations. So, the company may know everything, but the ad geeks are kinda strange.
I've spent over 4 years living and working in Korea, with the added benefit of knowing the language, so I'm not just talking out my @$$ here, honestly.
Illegitimi non carborundum
If this little whizbang is indeed running Linux (and, I assume, X as it seems to have a GUI) then there shouldn't be anything stopping us, the community, from getting in there and enhancing/replacing whatever we don't like.
Don't like their GUI? Great! Write an X app to replace it.
Makes me wonder what they're using on top of X for window management...
And if thats all it is it will be a dismal failure. WinCE isn't getting clobbered in the market because its unstable, bloated or slow (while it may be all of those, the hardware Casio et al has been throwing at it makes it fairly nimble compared to the Palm) -- its getting clobbered because its hard to use.
I'll give you an example: in the medical field people need to access to large amounts of data - being able to get a complete drug book in your PDA saves time and lives. Access to texts on basic disesases and therapies without leaving the wards is a godsend. WindowsCE devices offer a lot of expansion memory - the PalmOS is limited to 8 megs (ignoring the nifty new TRGPro). None the less I've yet to see _anyone_ using a WinCE device.
So where is the advantage of Linux here? The existing desktops would be just as bad (and possibly _worse_) than WinCE in terms of ease of use: does anyone seriouslly think KDE or Gnome would work well on one of these tiny screens?
What these devices will need is an entirely new desktop, one designed from the ground up to for handheld devices - one like the PalmOS. With that in place, a vendor could take advatage of the tremendous developer energy in the opens source community. I hope Samsung has a some tricks up their sleeves, cuz from these pictures they are going to get they are going to have a lot of unshippable inventory.
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Right now, my real problem is where to get the processing unit. At first, I can use my old p120 IBM ThinkPad, but it is unnessacarly bulky due to the desktop perifierals (keybord and LCD) and it has really crappy battery life (2 hrs, if I'm lucky) So, I've been shopping around for a small, cheap, low-power consumeing cpu unit, with a serial, keyboard, vga, and PCMCIA capabilities. I alrealdy have a modem and either PCMCIA cards for my laptop. Anyhow, I've never seen anything like this except for with x86 processors. I'd buy one of these things if I could get the vga out and pcmcia (preferably with no screen)
http://www.gmate.co.kr/english/frame1.htm G.Mate created Yopy for Samsung. Look especially on the bulletin board. BTW: Today on CeBIT I had Yopy in my hands and I already love it...
I'm hoping eventually to see palmtops with just a connector for some virtual-reality glasses. Then, you can have as complex a desktop as your electronics can support in a portable package, and without constraining the actual computing module by the shape of the output device.
Of course, the proper input device for such a beasty is probably still under debate. If you have a complicated desktop possible, then one of those handheld cording keyboards would probably be more efficient than a stylus arrangement.
Its strange, untill recently I had not heard much about the dragonball. I have mostly heard the Palm core simply refered to as a 68k. Unlike other Motorola microcontrollers (esp the HC11) there does not seem to be many protoboards or development/hobyist kits available.
Just my 2/100 of a dollar.
Anyone have any insight (or, preferrably, a source) that can confirm what the PDA will use for a windowing environment?
I was already lightly crisped for suggesting that the environment might be X (and somewhat understandably so).
Here's to hoping that whatever the environment, it has a published API!
A lot more info, plus a Board where the creators are answering questions, etc.
It appears to use W-Windows (http://devnull.owl.de/~frank/W.html) and they wil be providing a GTK-Like api...
All this, and more at http://www.gmate.co.kr/
-K
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One day, you'll learn to watch what you post...
It looks strikingly similar to the A2D Winamp/XMMS skin. I wonder if that was the influence. Actually, I kinda like that skin, but it would be nice to be able to change it.
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There are many physical similarities between the Yopy and CE handhelds: the size of the display (320x240), 4-way rocker switch on the front, the scroll-wheel on the side with action/record buttons. I even remember seeing a device before that had the backlight switch at the top of the display, just like the Yopy. The only thing I can't account for is the StrongARM CPU: there _is_ a port of CE to the StrongARM, but I can't find any Palm-sized devices that used it. (HP does have HPCs based on SA, e.g. the Jornada 820.)
Note that Philips discontinued their palm-sized WinCE devices a while ago. Is it possible that they sold the design to Samsung...?
Why doesn't someone get off their keister and put a friggin' microdrive in some of these? Sheesh! They are small as sin, you can actually put a real amount of apps on them! Keep the ROM and ram, maybe put in some way to flash it with a new kernel (make dep;make clean;make bzFlash;make modules;make modules_install). Heck, if you wanted to get fancy with it, you have a couple of them and have friggin' software RAID in your palmtop! Think about it! You could store entire encyclopedias, it would make a great reference device. Include ht://dig (did I spell that right?) and voice recognition and you get almost a tricorder!
On a side note, I just got an email from the Yopy people (a derivative of Yuppie people?) saying that it would be available at the end of May in Europe and the US. Very cool.
-- Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? --
... so it must be good. Even down to the friggin' Start menu, audio, and video.
Thank you for your interest .
our product would be available by the end of May in US and Europe.
Thanks again.
Best Regards.
Paul H. Yoo
Sales & Marketing
G.MATE, Inc.
E-mail: paulyoo@gmate.co.kr
Tel: 82-342-738-1241
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From: "Doug Littlefield"
To:
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 8:50 AM
Subject: Linux PDA
> Looks Like a winning product.
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> Where can I buy this?
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> Thank you
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What gives? Can you turn on the TFT "without backlight"?
They use W-Windows, which is GPL'ed. Soon they will release a toolkit with an interface similar to gtk.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
This is the first time that I have seen Windows CE referred to as Wince. I think that's appropriate enough.
Hello? I saw a couple of the jpegs. Is this some joke? I wish everyone had the experience of navigating a hierarchical start menu on one of the wince devices. What a ridiculous concept for such a small interface!
Are you spontaneously enthusiastic about everyone having everything you can have? - Buckminster Fuller
I just registered yopy.org (G.Mate has yopy.com and yopy.net). Once it hits the root nameservers, I'm gonna make a mailing list for would-be Yopy owners. The email address for subscriptions will be discuss-subscribe@yopy.org, but that won't work for another day or so.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
I've been using a Palm Pro for ~2 years, enough time to become intimately familiar with Graffiti. To tell the truth, I find that taking notes on it better than writing on a piece of paper because you don't have to look down at what you're writing. Just write one letter on top of the other. Occasionally, it gets a letter wrong, but as long as you have a brain, you can tell that "wnitable" was supposed to be "writable".
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Well, that's all I have to say about that. I've never actually used a Newton, but I really like the palm's form factor.
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There are several comments that I have noticed written by idiotic people that have nothing to do with the topic yet still get a score of 0. I would like these to be -1 so I don't have to look at these!
well you could just port xcopilot to the thing and run a palm in emulation on it. That way you could even run all the third party palm apps.
I have seen the radio button referred to as "radio", but I haven't seen it called "FM Radio" or "FM Stereo". Anyone know if it is FM Stereo?
How hard is it to port stuff from x86 implementations of Linux/*BSD to the ARM processor? With a cruesoe device, this wouldn't be necessary, but I guess if enough hackers buy the Yopy, app shortage shouldn't be a big deal..
Could you run gcc on a Yopy and if so how
fast does it compile the kernel.
This further question is a off topic
Does anyone keep benchmarks of compile times
on different linux configurations? This would
be really valuable for deciding what hardware to
buy because I spend lots of time waiting for the
compiler and 20second-1minute makes a big difference when I'm in the removing syntax error
phase.
How about Asia Pacific region? I'm interested in buying one also. When will the version with integrated cell phone ship? Thanks
You can set that up for yourself if you like.
Click on Preferences and then Customize Comments. Those trolls will be gone for good if you like.
What trolls!
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
I'm not sure, but could they have Apache running on this thing?
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A sphincter says what?
That's the thing I'm really looking forward to.
Not only it would make carrying two devices around unnecessary, but the integration could probably enable some pretty cool things... Imagine managing the call log and phone book through any Linux app you choose, and that even without mentioning direct telephony support.
I have been holding out for over a year now waiting for something to come out on the market with color/linux/mp3 abilities. This looks like my wait is over. Hopefully they wont cost too much. $800.00 sounds good. Perhaps one day we will all have mobile computing devices running webservers or other services over an 30% wireless internet. So if I am in an air port and accessing a webpage it could be the guy sitting next to me with a PDA in his jacket. Hey where is so and so.. I dont know lets go to his webpage and see if he has updated his whereabouts from the taxi.
Microsoft aggravates my tourettes syndrome.
...where the microdrive will work in a compact flash slot. It would probably need a different driver. If I'm wrong, somebody will quickly point it out. One thing this is missing is cellular voice. If they put that in (or make it an add-on option) they won't be able to keep this toy in stock. Has anyone seen a launch date or price? Anybody want to buy a PalmPilot Personal? :) Cpt_Kirks
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When will the gizmo companies realise that the true killer PDA is an extensible 'Communicator' (no-pun intended) something in between a palmtop and a PDA... No need for stupid 'solitaire' games and braindead calender apps, I want to login to my servers, I want to read HTML docs in the train, I don;t want to carry 3 gizmo's a walkman, a mobile phone and a silly PDA with the functionality of my filofax.
Thus I want my PDA to contain:
In fact, if they get their act together, I might even be able to ditch my Desktop PC entirely.
I'd even be prepared to use something that's 'big' - say the size of a large box of matches - because I wouldn't have to lug all those other bits around.
I can symaphtize with you wishing for a decent PDA running Linux, but this thing has (according to a Samsung guy at the CeBIT) a battery life of 4 hours working, 10-12 hours on standby.
Utterly useless for a PDA, the Palm has more like 10-12 weeks.
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Anybody know what the wireless protocol is for this? WAP/WIP? IP over cell?
I think it has an RS-232, so you can plug in any
keyboard. I think the best would be to get a
Twiddler, and run the yopy in text mode. Then
you could use Emacs to do ANYTHING. A perfect
swiss-army knife computer.
I saw this at Cebit.
It was really cool to see x11amp with graphical plugins playing on a little pda. =)
Wonder what else compiles on it.
/.Mattsson - My native language is not English, so please don't whine over linguistic errors. (That's lame anyway...)
http://yopy.org. Go there. Sign onto the mailing list. Do it now. Be happy.
-russ
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