on't get me wrong, the human race has made a lot of progress, I just don't think we've made as much as everyone else seems to think we have.
No shit, the squirrels have been to Venus, and we can barely get an RC car on Mars.
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Exactly, your post is the point I was trying to make.
Simply because a child doesn't fit into what is considered "normal" operation, he is therefore given a disorder and medicated.
The thing that makes me so angry about it is that most of the kids who exhibit the symptoms (which are really just normal kid things taken to the nth degree) are in fact gifted themselves and acting up to stimulate their brain enough to stay happy. Do you know how many times I got in trouble in school, just entertaining myself? I knew what the lesson point was 5 minutes into class and had 55 minutes to kill. Luckily I was given a chance to attend a gifted program once a week ("REACH", Reaching Excellence is Academic (C)someting Holistically) where I was given free reign to basically be an 8 year old geek (trig worksheets, logic problems, computers to programs on, stuff to disect, books to read) with all of the stimulation I could ever want. All of this helped me. What else? Exercise, tons of it. After school I would run around constatnly for 4-5 hours till dinner. What else? Video games, studies have shown that flashing lights and quick visual movements helps kids with ADHD brain patterns to reach a level of stimulation that they can find happiness and comfort in. (although some would say video games just add to the problem, for the record I still play Quake, and it still works as anger/energy management) Regardless, if I hadn't received special treatment and attention I would have made life extremely difficult for everyone else around me. (some would say I do that anyway)
Did I have ADHD? Good question, and thankfully one that never got asked. I thank all that's good and holy that I wasn't behaviourally modified as a young child. I could go into all that my mom did too (a single parent with 5 kids) but this isn't the place for it.
TO reiterate
My wife and I both work and she is even considering quitting her job (she is a coder geek like me) and home-schooling him.
If the choice is between this and drugs, which do you choose? Seriously? Some children just require more attention. It applies to those on the low end of the bell curse, why shouldn't it apply to those on the top?
As our society moves more towards two working parent families just to "keep up" then problems like this will continue to grow. Remember how Americans work all the time? How much does that "cost"? I think it's a lot more than most poeple realize, and because it isn't counted in dollars and cents, it's ignored.
That's too bad because there are a lot of children with this problem, many of them are never recognized or treated.
And they make it through school, grow up, slow down, and fit in fine. You have to ask yourself, is the kid the problem? Is the school the problem? or are they just a problem when mixed together. I've also read case studies where the behavior problems were caused by a schoolyard bully. Causing a smaller child to become withdrawn, lash out, and *gasp* not get good grades in school.
Whether you believe it or not, I do have a great deal of sympathy to the real issue. It only takes so many reports of 9 year-olds becoming suicidal after their "meds" are taken away, to form an opinion. It only takes so many friends, and watching how different they are "on" or "off" thier drugs, to realize that this is something that shouldn't be trifled with.
Sorry if I've offended you, this wasn't, and I'm not, a troll.
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Yes, I'm quite familar with its normal interpretation. I like to look at the causes of things, rather than the symptoms. The actual disease (although I hesitate calling it a disease) is not nearly as prevalent as it is diagnosed, and well, it just basically disgusts me that people (doctors, teachers, parents) would advocate medicating a child with behavior modifying drugs, simply because a child can't sit still and concentrate.
It just so happens that the technical name for this disorder points exactly to it's solution.
and I hope it works and they make a lot of money. This type of thing is exactly what the GPL creates. When no one owns the basics they have to compete like hell to sell you the extras. More users = more apps = more users = more money for programmers/admins = more time to code = better code = more users.
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It's an unreasonable fear of social situations (you've probably seen some drug company's commercials about the subject).
Yes, it's called Social Anxiety Disorder, or SAD, for short. I laughted my ass off when I saw that commercial. I guess I'm not sad. It's up there with ADD (attention deficit disorder) in my book. "Well, if the kid has an attention deficit, don't you think you should give him/her some attention?"
(and I'm sorry if you are SAD, laughing helps)
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right now I am building (in my "free" time) a website for my family. All e-mail addresses, ICQ, phone numbers, birthdays, and even a place to upload pictures. With my immediate family spread across the country, it's one of the few ways we can stay close and in-touch economically. Those free long-distance VOIP sites are nice too (dialpad)
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I see you are handily the addiction nicely, 348. Kudos on the Sgt. Pep.
I'm addicted to/. and the Net, just like I'm addicted to joy, logic, and beauty.
I can't wait till I'm 65...and get to act on the Net like some dumbass 14-year old. I doubt Senior Net has trolling classes, it could be great fun for them. There's a lot of wisdom stored out there someplace, the Net is in dire need of it.
This study is dumb. The Net connects people together, yes, it can be a bit impersonal, but I can't think of more impersonal media outlets than newspapers or television. Passive media, how boring.
To quote But the longer people have been hooked up to the Net, the more time they spend on it, the study found. So Nie predicted that the trend toward social withdrawal would only increase, which meant the issue should be closely examined now.
But what about wireless Internet? He's looking at a technology in an intermediate step and drawing long-tern conclusions.
But critics who saw early drafts of the news release on the survey today or had the results described to them dismissed most of what Nie concluded, as well as the research he used to get there.
good critics.
hey, jon, did this feak you out
"Being free from the strictures and the sanctions of your neighbors and family used to be considered good," [James] Katz said. "This is what America and the Wild West were founded on. It used to be considered good. Now we have a new, endless frontier, and suddenly we have a lot of people wringing their hands."
I can almost guarantee you've said that somewhere..
he was referring to a quote from Southpark where Mr. Garrison gets a nose job and looks like David Haselhoff. Before they put him under, he quips about how Contact sucked. Hilarity ensues.
Please keep up with this type of coverage. For those of us that don't lobby full-time (because we aren't paid to) having a single resource (or at least pointers to them) for contacts and information is a great boon.
Active Directory. This is the "Big New Feature." I've used Microsoft products for 9 years+. I've seen big new products, and big new features, before. Win3.1, Win95, WinNT (with no service packs, *shiver*). Anytime something this big tries to change it causes a trainwreck.
I use NT a lot. I moved every PC in our company to it. And our webroutfireservers to Linux. NT works, it gets the job done. It has problems. The biggest problems it has ALL have to do with networking; remembering network drives, using networked files, sharing, being nice to friends, etc. This code, I'm sure, is the foundation of Active Directory. Either that, or it's brand new and merged into the existing code. 30 million lines of it.
I can believe it's stable, I've seen NT stand through some interesting tasks (and balk at some babies), so I'll believe they have that part down. But I don't think Kirk, Picard, or Janeway, would trust it for the Enterprise.
Just my observation--I have no problem with female students in CS or otherwise. I do have a problem with underqualified students.
umm, you need to regress for a moment. More girls==good.
Judging students as Freshman is no-way to judge their eventual worth as computer scientists. Especially if they haven't been given, through social/family pressures/biases, the chance to really work with machines. Once you get a basic understanding of how things work, its all details. Women are good with details.
Look, if there is one thing nearly every Linux program(mer) could use, it's a woman's touch. Women and men think differently, it would follow that they code differently. Perhaps with a bit more empathy. At the very least, more girl geeks now, more baby geeks later. We are going for world domination, right?;)
(and remember they like compliments before you post (-;)
if you're listening at work you either are the network admin, or have him locked in a closet. Nothing clogs a piple like 30 folks streaming 128kbps MP3s.
I make a rational choice when I use services that demand information in exchange for a service
Your personal information is worth a great deal on money. Acquisition costs and QUALITY customer profiles are difficult to come by and are expensive. If you ever visit a site and it requests some type of consumer information from you, don't give it unless you feel you are being compensated fairly.
Also realize that consumer targeting can cut down of the number of Tampax ads you recieve in the mail. The easier it is for companies to find the right customers, the less money they waste talking to the wrong ones, all of which helps to lower prices and make the market more efficient.
Southpark is set in Colorado. I believe Trey went to Columbine, or at least nearby (Denver is like many urban sprawls and the only thing that seperates towns is a line on a map). Here's some fan boy action for you.
Jesus is actually a rather pleasant (yet unimportant) character on the show. He defeated Satan quite handily one episode, yet no one believed he would.
If you haven't seen it, go rent it, you'll laugh. Seeing BillG get his head blown off for Windows98 was worth the price of admission. Anybody have that clip?
Great movie. The whole point was that parents should pay more attention to their kids, than to what their kids are seeing. And Chef's squad in Operation Human Shield, and Cartman going anime as a finale, great stuff. Satan singing "Somewhere up There." Should have been nominated for best picture.
Hi, I'm the tight-ass moderator that knocked this down. No, wait, no I'm not. But I just saw the dude, he was kinda tall, kinda shaggy, smelled like Skittles.
I hear your pain ZuG, and you make valid points. The root problem is that Linux was designed as a server OS, and has been programmed as such. In this capacity it competes well with billion$ OSes. The usability features for desktop performance (games, web browsing, simplicity) are not up to par yet. It will take time. Only now are desktop users invading the Linux space. Only after they fully understand the system can they improve it, and make it do the happy desktop things that Grandma likes. Try again in another year, maybe it will be ready for what you want then.(or at least easier to get there).
Whoops, it's a Voodo3fx card, course I can't expect that to work, can I ?
hmm, I've gotten both the Voodoo1 and 3 working fine. You might want to go back and try from scratch or mess with your monitor settings, they caused me the most headaches (any recent distro should have the voodoo drivers). If you get the masochism down you might someday get to develop sendmail (or at least configure it fulltime)
Patience, persistance, creativity, and luck. No wonder we think we're 31337.;-\
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on't get me wrong, the human race has made a lot of progress, I just don't think we've made as much as everyone else seems to think we have.
No shit, the squirrels have been to Venus, and we can barely get an RC car on Mars.
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Exactly, your post is the point I was trying to make.
Simply because a child doesn't fit into what is considered "normal" operation, he is therefore given a disorder and medicated.
The thing that makes me so angry about it is that most of the kids who exhibit the symptoms (which are really just normal kid things taken to the nth degree) are in fact gifted themselves and acting up to stimulate their brain enough to stay happy. Do you know how many times I got in trouble in school, just entertaining myself? I knew what the lesson point was 5 minutes into class and had 55 minutes to kill. Luckily I was given a chance to attend a gifted program once a week ("REACH", Reaching Excellence is Academic (C)someting Holistically) where I was given free reign to basically be an 8 year old geek (trig worksheets, logic problems, computers to programs on, stuff to disect, books to read) with all of the stimulation I could ever want. All of this helped me. What else? Exercise, tons of it. After school I would run around constatnly for 4-5 hours till dinner. What else? Video games, studies have shown that flashing lights and quick visual movements helps kids with ADHD brain patterns to reach a level of stimulation that they can find happiness and comfort in. (although some would say video games just add to the problem, for the record I still play Quake, and it still works as anger/energy management) Regardless, if I hadn't received special treatment and attention I would have made life extremely difficult for everyone else around me. (some would say I do that anyway)
Did I have ADHD? Good question, and thankfully one that never got asked. I thank all that's good and holy that I wasn't behaviourally modified as a young child. I could go into all that my mom did too (a single parent with 5 kids) but this isn't the place for it.
TO reiterate
My wife and I both work and she is even considering quitting her job (she is a coder geek like me) and home-schooling him.
If the choice is between this and drugs, which do you choose? Seriously? Some children just require more attention. It applies to those on the low end of the bell curse, why shouldn't it apply to those on the top?
As our society moves more towards two working parent families just to "keep up" then problems like this will continue to grow. Remember how Americans work all the time? How much does that "cost"? I think it's a lot more than most poeple realize, and because it isn't counted in dollars and cents, it's ignored.
That's too bad because there are a lot of children with this problem, many of them are never recognized or treated.
And they make it through school, grow up, slow down, and fit in fine. You have to ask yourself, is the kid the problem? Is the school the problem? or are they just a problem when mixed together. I've also read case studies where the behavior problems were caused by a schoolyard bully. Causing a smaller child to become withdrawn, lash out, and *gasp* not get good grades in school.
Whether you believe it or not, I do have a great deal of sympathy to the real issue. It only takes so many reports of 9 year-olds becoming suicidal after their "meds" are taken away, to form an opinion. It only takes so many friends, and watching how different they are "on" or "off" thier drugs, to realize that this is something that shouldn't be trifled with.
Sorry if I've offended you, this wasn't, and I'm not, a troll.
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Yes, I'm quite familar with its normal interpretation. I like to look at the causes of things, rather than the symptoms. The actual disease (although I hesitate calling it a disease) is not nearly as prevalent as it is diagnosed, and well, it just basically disgusts me that people (doctors, teachers, parents) would advocate medicating a child with behavior modifying drugs, simply because a child can't sit still and concentrate.
It just so happens that the technical name for this disorder points exactly to it's solution.
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and I hope it works and they make a lot of money. This type of thing is exactly what the GPL creates. When no one owns the basics they have to compete like hell to sell you the extras. More users = more apps = more users = more money for programmers/admins = more time to code = better code = more users.
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It's an unreasonable fear of social situations (you've probably seen some drug company's commercials about the subject).
Yes, it's called Social Anxiety Disorder, or SAD, for short. I laughted my ass off when I saw that commercial. I guess I'm not sad. It's up there with ADD (attention deficit disorder) in my book. "Well, if the kid has an attention deficit, don't you think you should give him/her some attention?"
(and I'm sorry if you are SAD, laughing helps)
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right now I am building (in my "free" time) a website for my family. All e-mail addresses, ICQ, phone numbers, birthdays, and even a place to upload pictures. With my immediate family spread across the country, it's one of the few ways we can stay close and in-touch economically. Those free long-distance VOIP sites are nice too (dialpad)
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I see you are handily the addiction nicely, 348. Kudos on the Sgt. Pep.
/. and the Net, just like I'm addicted to joy, logic, and beauty.
I'm addicted to
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I can't wait till I'm 65...and get to act on the Net like some dumbass 14-year old. I doubt Senior Net has trolling classes, it could be great fun for them. There's a lot of wisdom stored out there someplace, the Net is in dire need of it.
This study is dumb. The Net connects people together, yes, it can be a bit impersonal, but I can't think of more impersonal media outlets than newspapers or television. Passive media, how boring.
To quote
But the longer people have been hooked up to the Net, the more time they spend on it, the study found. So Nie predicted that the trend toward social withdrawal would only increase, which meant the issue should be closely examined now.
But what about wireless Internet? He's looking at a technology in an intermediate step and drawing long-tern conclusions.
But critics who saw early drafts of the news release on the survey today or had the results described to them dismissed most of what Nie concluded, as well as the research he used to get there.
good critics.
hey, jon, did this feak you out
"Being free from the strictures and the sanctions of your neighbors and family used to be considered good," [James] Katz said. "This is what America and the Wild West were founded on. It used to be considered good. Now we have a new, endless frontier, and suddenly we have a lot of people wringing their hands."
I can almost guarantee you've said that somewhere..
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he was referring to a quote from Southpark where Mr. Garrison gets a nose job and looks like David Haselhoff. Before they put him under, he quips about how Contact sucked. Hilarity ensues.
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Please keep up with this type of coverage. For those of us that don't lobby full-time (because we aren't paid to) having a single resource (or at least pointers to them) for contacts and information is a great boon.
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..this is my fear.
Active Directory. This is the "Big New Feature." I've used Microsoft products for 9 years+. I've seen big new products, and big new features, before. Win3.1, Win95, WinNT (with no service packs, *shiver*). Anytime something this big tries to change it causes a trainwreck.
I use NT a lot. I moved every PC in our company to it. And our webroutfireservers to Linux. NT works, it gets the job done. It has problems. The biggest problems it has ALL have to do with networking; remembering network drives, using networked files, sharing, being nice to friends, etc. This code, I'm sure, is the foundation of Active Directory. Either that, or it's brand new and merged into the existing code. 30 million lines of it.
I can believe it's stable, I've seen NT stand through some interesting tasks (and balk at some babies), so I'll believe they have that part down. But I don't think Kirk, Picard, or Janeway, would trust it for the Enterprise.
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in the sense of the word where it's about smart people excelling at higly technical fields.
I believe it was a compliment. Same could be said for those wacky Indians, smart fsckers.
(if anybody doesn't know I'm joking, let this be a hint)
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Just my observation--I have no problem with female students in CS or otherwise. I do have a problem with underqualified students.
;)
umm, you need to regress for a moment. More girls==good.
Judging students as Freshman is no-way to judge their eventual worth as computer scientists. Especially if they haven't been given, through social/family pressures/biases, the chance to really work with machines. Once you get a basic understanding of how things work, its all details. Women are good with details.
Look, if there is one thing nearly every Linux program(mer) could use, it's a woman's touch. Women and men think differently, it would follow that they code differently. Perhaps with a bit more empathy. At the very least, more girl geeks now, more baby geeks later. We are going for world domination, right?
(and remember they like compliments before you post (-;)
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I can listen to this at home (DSL), at work (T3),
if you're listening at work you either are the network admin, or have him locked in a closet. Nothing clogs a piple like 30 folks streaming 128kbps MP3s.
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I make a rational choice when I use services that demand information in exchange for a service
Your personal information is worth a great deal on money. Acquisition costs and QUALITY customer profiles are difficult to come by and are expensive. If you ever visit a site and it requests some type of consumer information from you, don't give it unless you feel you are being compensated fairly.
Also realize that consumer targeting can cut down of the number of Tampax ads you recieve in the mail. The easier it is for companies to find the right customers, the less money they waste talking to the wrong ones, all of which helps to lower prices and make the market more efficient.
One coin, two sides.
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doh, I'm not sure what you read into my comment, and reading it again, I think I see why. Call it a troll and be done with it, sorry.
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I wish we could burn our protestant ancestors at the stake.
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...this thread will turn up number one on Google for the words "Fuck" "Uncle" and "Bitch", try it, if you remember.
google rocs (eggs)
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Southpark is set in Colorado. I believe Trey went to Columbine, or at least nearby (Denver is like many urban sprawls and the only thing that seperates towns is a line on a map). Here's some fan boy action for you.
Jesus is actually a rather pleasant (yet unimportant) character on the show. He defeated Satan quite handily one episode, yet no one believed he would.
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...does anybody have access to the "envelope please."? I think a little while-out and the best picture envelope could be a fun little hack.
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If you haven't seen it, go rent it, you'll laugh. Seeing BillG get his head blown off for Windows98 was worth the price of admission. Anybody have that clip?
Great movie. The whole point was that parents should pay more attention to their kids, than to what their kids are seeing. And Chef's squad in Operation Human Shield, and Cartman going anime as a finale, great stuff. Satan singing "Somewhere up There." Should have been nominated for best picture.
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Hi, I'm the tight-ass moderator that knocked this down. No, wait, no I'm not. But I just saw the dude, he was kinda tall, kinda shaggy, smelled like Skittles.
You gonna pass that or what?
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I wondered if anyone else would see that. Funny how that term coincides so well with Doug A's meaning of life number...coincidence? Most likely.
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I hear your pain ZuG, and you make valid points. The root problem is that Linux was designed as a server OS, and has been programmed as such. In this capacity it competes well with billion$ OSes. The usability features for desktop performance (games, web browsing, simplicity) are not up to par yet. It will take time. Only now are desktop users invading the Linux space. Only after they fully understand the system can they improve it, and make it do the happy desktop things that Grandma likes. Try again in another year, maybe it will be ready for what you want then.(or at least easier to get there).
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Whoops, it's a Voodo3fx card, course I can't expect that to work, can I ?
;-\
hmm, I've gotten both the Voodoo1 and 3 working fine. You might want to go back and try from scratch or mess with your monitor settings, they caused me the most headaches (any recent distro should have the voodoo drivers). If you get the masochism down you might someday get to develop sendmail (or at least configure it fulltime)
Patience, persistance, creativity, and luck. No wonder we think we're 31337.
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