... and have 100,000 people do the same, the size of your sticks doesn't matter
By Sherman Fridman, Newsbytes. February 11, 2000
Due to flagrant inaccuracies this article has been pulled and is being re-written.
Occasionally one of these slips through the editorial process. Computer Currents regrets the error.
Aahh, you gotta love the power of the Internet and accountable media. How many times does your newspaper do this? How about the Evening News? How often do they need to....
True, I just hate to see the viscious underbelly of this community so exposed and vocal. I also dislike having to censor those people who wish to provide worthwhile content yet remain anonymous. Yes, I have put myself in a difficult position and yes I'm just adding to the noise right now. Time to start hacking/looking for another solution I guess, g'day.
The killfile might be a bit extreme, but this has really gotten out of control. The last time I had mod points, I saw at least 20 posts that needed to get killed. Maybe modding down ACs shouldn't cost mod points? Or 50 or so full time troll-bashers with unlimited points to use on ACs./. is part of a billion$ corp. now, it's time to get professional and not be bothered by disgruntled teens.
He also seems to view himself as the center of the universe. Half his article talk about his conversations with others, his attempts to install linux, his books, etc.
Great point, next time we have an "interview" with someone, let's make sure they don't talk about themselves or what they do.
I agree, but you're making the invalid assumption that the Katz flamers have a life outside/. If they don't get a rise here, it's over for them. What's two hours of wasted time when your whole life is a joke.
I'd love to discuss some of Jon's points without an attack on him personally, but like he said, that doesn't happen in the threads, only on e-mail. Those discussions used to be here, but the noise got too loud.
Sad really, total freedom is choas, and choas isn't good for coherent discussion. AC's are a particularly determined kind of chaos.
No, but katz's article today has opened my eyes to something I've been trying to ignore...most/. threads totally suck ass and are mostly filled with bitching, trolling, and idiots. That's why I want a UID killfile, so the few coherent posters that are left can get through. I mean "AntiKatz"?! Get a life and then kill yourself.
...it is ENTIRLEY within the realms of physical science to talk about someone creating a Universe. As such, it is patently stupid for any scientist to reject the possibility that this did, indeed, happen in the case of THIS Universe.
Following that it would be patently stupid (PS) to not think that we could do the same. Following that it would be PS to not do it. So get hacking.
from funny link 2 "The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are One. " John 10 : 25-30
The type of high-test geek networking knowledge about the Internet that these DoS attacks teaches is pretty much lost on Jane Q. Public.
True, but it pressures every admin out there to make sure their network is secure, which is a good thing. It also raises a general awareness and encourages all users to get their updates, and helps to cut down on the number of machines available to the vandals.
But it does get pretty tiresome hearing the same sanctimonious line of BS about freedom, privacy and online rights everytime a pack of delinquents pulls some stunt.
That comes from an overreaction from a misinformed public. The more awareness is raised and the more information that is spread about the problem helps to minimize the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt that might lead people to support overly-restrictive legislation. Just another oppurtunity to educate.
Read your first sentence again, then read the first two amendments from here. BTW, how old are you? You've been very vocal today, and after reading quite a bit, I'm guessing 14.
Would you happily say goodbye to your car if it could educate people to the threat of car theft? I mean, you're going to buy a car to replace the one that was lost, so it's not like you're actually out a car, you're just out a bunch of money.
Yes, *if* the vast majority of people on the planet didn't know a car could be stolen. Actually that's a funny example since I don't own a car (by choice, my feet and my bike work great).
Yahoo can take the hit, mainly because they have this ridiculous valuation based on the potential on the Internet. Well, guess what, the Net also raised the potential power of every person on it, who understands how it works. For these companies, in a brand new industry in a brand new medium doing something that has never been done before, to get hit with a few hours of downtime does a great deal to show people that this is not your father's cyberspace. People (I'm talking about "regular" folks now) haven't realized how much different things are, by forcing them to take a harder look, it helps *everyone* realize that computer security is not a joke, and should be taken every bit as seriously as the need to lock your car. If you don't want to get it stolen, that is. Or used in a DoS attack against your local highway.
Yea, I guess you're right *everyone* already knew this stuff.
No, wait a second, actually most people don't know a damn thing about any of this. Maybe that's why it's on the news, and it's big news. You'd think something so obvious wouldn't be such big news, but that's because you take for granted that it is so obvious.
I'm not defending their actions, I'm saying that the cost (so far) is outweighed by the benefit.
Does your window provide adequate security against a rock? Would it be okay for me to show you just how little security your clothing provides against a knife blade? Does your car frame have sufficient security against a sledgehammer? Should the victims of Son of Sam be greatful for demonstrating just how vulnerable they are to high velocity projectiles?
That's funny. I type in Yahoo dot com and a page comes up. Yet, my window is still broken, my chest is still bleeding, my car is still dented, and murder victims are still dead. This was a Denial of Service attack. Roughly akin to getting a busy signal when you try and call a business, wait, not roughly, exactly.
Personally I'm all for a little bit of inconvenience to increase public knowledge about the Internet. What I don't like is people associating these type of acts with violent crime, that's when you get enough FUD involved to convice people to give up thier online rights, freedom, and privacy, in exchange for the illusion of protection that the government will promise.
I still am leaning toward the government. When Reno comes on and says "We are doing everything is our power to find out who is doing this and working to get the funds to better police the Internet" it seems to me they have the most to benefit from this, i.e. getting exactly what they've been asking Congress for. No one else stands to gain as much from massive FUD about the Internet.
However, like some others have said, who the hell cares if yahoo goes down for an hour?
No shit, I realize that terrorism is a bad thing. But i don't run in terror when I can't load/. (i just curse and get back to work). As much as I depend on the Internet to keep me informed and entertained, it's a nice break sometimes to turn the whole thing off and only see the world that my five senses, um, sense.
I don't see a reason to panic or even get all fluffed up. These attacks can't stay hidden forever, nor can they do it forever without getting caught.
Personally I think this very much legitimizes the old (cr/h)acker defense "We're doing it to show you how bad your security is." That seems like exactly what is happening, on a massive scale, it's about time, IMHO.
don't forget that one sold copy of Linux can account for any number of installations. NT gets the bonus (and makes all the cash) because of their extemely tight licensing restrictions and the M$ tax.
/. trolls seem to be a step up on the evolutionary ladder than your average under-bridge dwelling troglodytes. Quite a bit more creative too, and annoying.
The gap between the middle and lower-classes will close:
He's talking about what has been called the "Digital Divide". With Ford giving out all these PCs they will be giving many to those who don't have them. Yes, some very poor people still won't have machines, but more that couldn't afford one before will have them. This is called progress. The gap may not close, but every step closer is a good thing.
This is not the greedy corporatism that Katz has fearlessly railed against:
Seems to me that Ford is very much acting in their self-interest, enlightened self-interest you could call it. Giving some now while fully expecting to get more back later (mostly in intangibles for this initiative).
Katz is flip-flopping on this issue fairly easily, but when everywhere you look you see darkness, even the slightest ray of hope is worthy of noticing.
What a silly argument. "If they don't use them, they won't help." Man, where'd you get your PhD in logic?
Um, BTW, I make a pretty decent living as an admin based largely on the experience I gained making games work on a variety of machines. That would never have happened if my folks hadn't finally shelled out for a PC (after 2 years of begging). Katz is right, this is a good thing.
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... and have 100,000 people do the same, the size of your sticks doesn't matter
By Sherman Fridman, Newsbytes.
February 11, 2000
Due to flagrant inaccuracies this article has been pulled and is being re-written.
Occasionally one of these slips through the editorial process. Computer Currents regrets the error.
Aahh, you gotta love the power of the Internet and accountable media. How many times does your newspaper do this? How about the Evening News? How often do they need to....
True, I just hate to see the viscious underbelly of this community so exposed and vocal. I also dislike having to censor those people who wish to provide worthwhile content yet remain anonymous. Yes, I have put myself in a difficult position and yes I'm just adding to the noise right now.
Time to start hacking/looking for another solution I guess, g'day.
The killfile might be a bit extreme, but this has really gotten out of control. The last time I had mod points, I saw at least 20 posts that needed to get killed. Maybe modding down ACs shouldn't cost mod points? Or 50 or so full time troll-bashers with unlimited points to use on ACs. /. is part of a billion$ corp. now, it's time to get professional and not be bothered by disgruntled teens.
He also seems to view himself as the center of the universe. Half his article talk about his conversations with others, his attempts to install linux, his books, etc.
Great point, next time we have an "interview" with someone, let's make sure they don't talk about themselves or what they do.
I agree, but you're making the invalid assumption that the Katz flamers have a life outside /. If they don't get a rise here, it's over for them. What's two hours of wasted time when your whole life is a joke.
I'd love to discuss some of Jon's points without an attack on him personally, but like he said, that doesn't happen in the threads, only on e-mail. Those discussions used to be here, but the noise got too loud.
Sad really, total freedom is choas, and choas isn't good for coherent discussion. AC's are a particularly determined kind of chaos.
No, but katz's article today has opened my eyes to something I've been trying to ignore...most /. threads totally suck ass and are mostly filled with bitching, trolling, and idiots. That's why I want a UID killfile, so the few coherent posters that are left can get through. I mean "AntiKatz"?! Get a life and then kill yourself.
Where's my "Filter out Whiners" button, or just a UserID killfile?
...it is ENTIRLEY within the realms of physical science to talk about someone creating a Universe. As such, it is patently stupid for any scientist to reject the possibility that this did, indeed, happen in the case of THIS Universe.
Following that it would be patently stupid (PS) to not think that we could do the same. Following that it would be PS to not do it. So get hacking.
Sheep
I'd be careful using that word in a derogatory sense. If Jesus were alive today, that's what he'd call you.
"The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want." Psalm 23:1
Not trying to start a fight, just pointing out an ironic derogatory remark.
Funny link 1, funny link 2
from funny link 2
"The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are One. " John 10 : 25-30
science is how we become gods. That's where the proof comes in. We won't have proof of God until we become him.
The type of high-test geek networking knowledge about the Internet that these DoS attacks teaches is pretty much lost on Jane Q. Public.
True, but it pressures every admin out there to make sure their network is secure, which is a good thing. It also raises a general awareness and encourages all users to get their updates, and helps to cut down on the number of machines available to the vandals.
But it does get pretty tiresome hearing the same sanctimonious line of BS about freedom, privacy and online rights everytime a pack of delinquents pulls some stunt.
That comes from an overreaction from a misinformed public. The more awareness is raised and the more information that is spread about the problem helps to minimize the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt that might lead people to support overly-restrictive legislation. Just another oppurtunity to educate.
Be Coolrilla, Use Mozilla
Bravo, bravo. ROTFL
All the way excellent, congrats to you all, or just the one of you.
I propose we have an interview with the author(s) of this. If just to meet one the annoying sons of bithces and see where they go to school...
here's a link to that pop cultural reference.
The virgin articles are just tooo tempting. It's worth the karma to annoy the trolls.
Did you see the Star Wars : Naked and Petrified screenplay somebody posted? More entertainment than the next episode quite possibly.
...First post.
I hope jar jar dies, there's some original content.
Read your first sentence again, then read the first two amendments from here. BTW, how old are you? You've been very vocal today, and after reading quite a bit, I'm guessing 14.
Did you see that Ruby Ridge/Waco double feature last week?
Would you happily say goodbye to your car if it could educate people to the threat of car theft? I mean, you're going to buy a car to replace the one that was lost, so it's not like you're actually out a car, you're just out a bunch of money.
Yes, *if* the vast majority of people on the planet didn't know a car could be stolen. Actually that's a funny example since I don't own a car (by choice, my feet and my bike work great).
Yahoo can take the hit, mainly because they have this ridiculous valuation based on the potential on the Internet. Well, guess what, the Net also raised the potential power of every person on it, who understands how it works. For these companies, in a brand new industry in a brand new medium doing something that has never been done before, to get hit with a few hours of downtime does a great deal to show people that this is not your father's cyberspace. People (I'm talking about "regular" folks now) haven't realized how much different things are, by forcing them to take a harder look, it helps *everyone* realize that computer security is not a joke, and should be taken every bit as seriously as the need to lock your car. If you don't want to get it stolen, that is. Or used in a DoS attack against your local highway.
Yea, I guess you're right *everyone* already knew this stuff.
No, wait a second, actually most people don't know a damn thing about any of this. Maybe that's why it's on the news, and it's big news. You'd think something so obvious wouldn't be such big news, but that's because you take for granted that it is so obvious.
I'm not defending their actions, I'm saying that the cost (so far) is outweighed by the benefit.
Does your window provide adequate security against a rock? Would it be okay for me to show you just how little security your clothing provides against a knife blade? Does your car frame have sufficient security against a sledgehammer? Should the victims of Son of Sam be greatful for demonstrating just how vulnerable they are to high velocity projectiles?
That's funny. I type in Yahoo dot com and a page comes up. Yet, my window is still broken, my chest is still bleeding, my car is still dented, and murder victims are still dead. This was a Denial of Service attack. Roughly akin to getting a busy signal when you try and call a business, wait, not roughly, exactly.
Personally I'm all for a little bit of inconvenience to increase public knowledge about the Internet. What I don't like is people associating these type of acts with violent crime, that's when you get enough FUD involved to convice people to give up thier online rights, freedom, and privacy, in exchange for the illusion of protection that the government will promise.
I still am leaning toward the government. When Reno comes on and says "We are doing everything is our power to find out who is doing this and working to get the funds to better police the Internet" it seems to me they have the most to benefit from this, i.e. getting exactly what they've been asking Congress for. No one else stands to gain as much from massive FUD about the Internet.
However, like some others have said, who the hell cares if yahoo goes down for an hour?
/. (i just curse and get back to work). As much as I depend on the Internet to keep me informed and entertained, it's a nice break sometimes to turn the whole thing off and only see the world that my five senses, um, sense.
No shit, I realize that terrorism is a bad thing. But i don't run in terror when I can't load
I don't see a reason to panic or even get all fluffed up. These attacks can't stay hidden forever, nor can they do it forever without getting caught.
Personally I think this very much legitimizes the old (cr/h)acker defense "We're doing it to show you how bad your security is." That seems like exactly what is happening, on a massive scale, it's about time, IMHO.
don't forget that one sold copy of Linux can account for any number of installations. NT gets the bonus (and makes all the cash) because of their extemely tight licensing restrictions and the M$ tax.
Still nice to see progress...
/. trolls seem to be a step up on the evolutionary ladder than your average under-bridge dwelling troglodytes. Quite a bit more creative too, and annoying.
The gap between the middle and lower-classes will close:
He's talking about what has been called the "Digital Divide". With Ford giving out all these PCs they will be giving many to those who don't have them. Yes, some very poor people still won't have machines, but more that couldn't afford one before will have them. This is called progress. The gap may not close, but every step closer is a good thing.
This is not the greedy corporatism that Katz has fearlessly railed against:
Seems to me that Ford is very much acting in their self-interest, enlightened self-interest you could call it. Giving some now while fully expecting to get more back later (mostly in intangibles for this initiative).
Katz is flip-flopping on this issue fairly easily, but when everywhere you look you see darkness, even the slightest ray of hope is worthy of noticing.
What a silly argument. "If they don't use them, they won't help." Man, where'd you get your PhD in logic?
Um, BTW, I make a pretty decent living as an admin based largely on the experience I gained making games work on a variety of machines. That would never have happened if my folks hadn't finally shelled out for a PC (after 2 years of begging). Katz is right, this is a good thing.